NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

[BabySafeHaven]

<<<''In most towns -- if not all towns -- these resolutions
have passed with very little debate," said Adam Pertman,>>>

Pertman and the facts are never in the same time zone. Virtually all of the
towns had either his report, or were presented the BN side of things by
advocates against the laws and petition. Virtually 100% favorable votes for
them in 15 towns, and 4 cities were the truthful results.
Funny thing, Adam never showed his face in a single community but he KNOWS all
about the debates???
The City of Marlborough debated this for almost one year before a unanimous
city council vote, and they heard from Adam's supporter on Beacon Hill in the
Legislative Children's Caucus, their own state rep giving them his side of
things in full.
Pertman is just tempting a full backlash against him and any supporters he has
left.
We have 45 states with 97% of the country's population. 19 cities and towns in
MA with 1 million residents. Thousands of ballot question petition signatures
to place it on the ballot in a dozen more communities as a "safe bet" that
things will get done here.
Adam's got some of the town meeting members of Arlingtonm, and the Governor of
Hawaii. Hmmmmmm????
The rest of the country should really base their public policy laws and
opinions on just those two things????
Pertman calls that a "safe bet" against. Again, nice try!
Keep up the great work helping our side even more every day!
Jean

[Marley Greiner]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet


"BabySafeHaven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

<<<''In most towns -- if not all towns -- these resolutions have passed with very little debate," said Adam Pertman,>>> Pertman and the facts are never in the same time zone.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for your source on your "fact" that the
rate of child abandonment hasn't changed in 3000 years. Or your
"fact:" that Prof. Joan Hollinger is a leader of the pro-abortion movement.
Or your "fact" that Dr. Moore was threatened with termination. Or your
"fact" that Massachusetts Families for Kids is the Massachusetts chapter of
******* Nation. Or your "fact"
that I authored the EBD report--a "fact" you continue to flog as witnessed
by
your remarks at the Arlington TM-- when I don't work for EBD, have no ties
to EBD, did not write the report, and am *in fact* critical of it. Your
lame attempts to link BN with the EBD or Adam Pertman are so totally
bizarre and easy to refute that, I don't know why you continue to flog this
horse, outside of the your tailgunner propensity for character assassination
and smear tactics over substantive policy debate. Anyone even slightly
familiar with the world of contemporary American adoption knows this is pure
fantasy on your part, though I'm not sure who you're trying to discredit, us
or them.

Virtually all of the

towns had either his report, or were presented the BN side of things by advocates against the laws and petition.

You say this, but I've seen no proof. And I would sincerely question any
presentation you would give on ******* Nation (or any other opposition) SH
policy, especially given your habit of spin and stretch.

I have no idea what happened in Arlington and who was involved , other than
what I've read on Live from Arlington.com and seen on the tape of the TM
which
the Arlington Studio was kind enough to dup for me. Obviously, though,
somebody got a bug up their nose about SH and, not to be crude, picked it
raw.

The people in Arlington have been described as feisty, and they certainly
were that night. Much to my surprise, I saw none of your troops to the
rescue. There was ample opportunity for your supporters to speak. Either
they chose not to or weren't in attendance. Your subsequent haranguing and
name calling on Live from Arlington.com was nothing short of poor
sportsmanship and an outburst unworthy of political professionals. But then,
that's the age we live in where neocons and fundamentalists of all stripes
degrade, insult, humiliate, and dictate to the rest of us since they are on
a
mission from God and we'd all better get out of their way You obviously
don't do nuance.

I understand that transcripts of the Live from Arlington.com "dialogue"
have made the rounds on Beacon Hill. If SH passes it will not be because of
you, but in spite of you.

Anybody interested in this lovely discoure can find it at
http://www.livefromarlington.com/art...02101#comments

Virtually 100% favorable votes for

them in 15 towns, and 4 cities were the truthful results. Funny thing, Adam never showed his face in a single community but he KNOWS

all

about the debates???

Take it up with Adam. How should I know? I certainly haven't been there.

The City of Marlborough debated this for almost one year before a

unanimous

city council vote, and they heard from Adam's supporter on Beacon Hill in

the

Legislative Children's Caucus, their own state rep giving them his side of things in full. Pertman is just tempting a full backlash against him and any supporters he

has

left.

And what kind of backlash would that be? The Morrisesy Political Machine
that's going to kick Kay Kahn out of office?

We have 45 states with 97% of the country's population. 19 cities and

towns in

MA with 1 million residents. Thousands of ballot question petition

signatures

to place it on the ballot in a dozen more communities as a "safe bet" that
things will get done here.

Good luck! Been there, done that in Oregon. Do read the book about it:
Adoption Politics: Ballot Initiative 58 and ******* Nation by E. Wayne
Carp, University Press of Kansas, 2004 available through Amazon, B&N and
other fine bookstores. Who will finance it btw, or are you independently
wealthy now? You do know that signature gathering is a cash business, dont'
you?

Adam's got some of the town meeting members of Arlingtonm, and the

Governor of

Hawaii. Hmmmmmm????

And you don't. The way you carried on over on Live from Arlington.com
you'd have
thought SH opponents had hijacked the meeting and duct taped WMD to their
chests..

The rest of the country should really base their public policy laws and opinions on just those two things???? Pertman calls that a "safe bet" against. Again, nice try! Keep up the great work helping our side even more every day! Jean

Well, you're not doing a very good job of it.

BTW, what's with the fetus on your new homepage? www.babysafehavenyes.org I
thought SH wasn't about abortion. And I'm worried about the poor thing.
It's right-side up in a
breech birth position.

Marley

[Marley Greiner]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet


"BabySafeHaven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

<<<''In most towns -- if not all towns -- these resolutions have passed with very little debate," said Adam Pertman,>>> Pertman and the facts are never in the same time zone.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for your source on your "fact" that the
rate of child abandonment hasn't changed in 3000 years. Or your
"fact:" that Prof. Joan Hollinger is a leader of the pro-abortion movement.
Or your "fact" that Dr. Moore was threatened with termination. Or your
"fact" that Massachusetts Families for Kids is the Massachusetts chapter of
******* Nation. Or your "fact"
that I authored the EBD report--a "fact" you continue to flog as witnessed
by
your remarks at the Arlington TM-- when I don't work for EBD, have no ties
to EBD, did not write the report, and am *in fact* critical of it. Your
lame attempts to link BN with the EBD or Adam Pertman are so totally
bizarre and easy to refute that, I don't know why you continue to flog this
horse, outside of the your tailgunner propensity for character assassination
and smear tactics over substantive policy debate. Anyone even slightly
familiar with the world of contemporary American adoption knows this is pure
fantasy on your part, though I'm not sure who you're trying to discredit, us
or them.

Virtually all of the

towns had either his report, or were presented the BN side of things by advocates against the laws and petition.

You say this, but I've seen no proof. And I would sincerely question any
presentation you would give on ******* Nation (or any other opposition) SH
policy, especially given your habit of spin and stretch.

I have no idea what happened in Arlington and who was involved , other than
what I've read on Live from Arlington.com and seen on the tape of the TM
which
the Arlington Studio was kind enough to dup for me. Obviously, though,
somebody got a bug up their nose about SH and, not to be crude, picked it
raw.

The people in Arlington have been described as feisty, and they certainly
were that night. Much to my surprise, I saw none of your troops to the
rescue. There was ample opportunity for your supporters to speak. Either
they chose not to or weren't in attendance. Your subsequent haranguing and
name calling on Live from Arlington.com was nothing short of poor
sportsmanship and an outburst unworthy of political professionals. But then,
that's the age we live in where neocons and fundamentalists of all stripes
degrade, insult, humiliate, and dictate to the rest of us since they are on
a
mission from God and we'd all better get out of their way You obviously
don't do nuance.

I understand that transcripts of the Live from Arlington.com "dialogue"
have made the rounds on Beacon Hill. If SH passes it will not be because of
you, but in spite of you.

Anybody interested in this lovely discoure can find it at
http://www.livefromarlington.com/art...02101#comments

Virtually 100% favorable votes for

them in 15 towns, and 4 cities were the truthful results. Funny thing, Adam never showed his face in a single community but he KNOWS

all

about the debates???

Take it up with Adam. How should I know? I certainly haven't been there.

The City of Marlborough debated this for almost one year before a

unanimous

city council vote, and they heard from Adam's supporter on Beacon Hill in

the

Legislative Children's Caucus, their own state rep giving them his side of things in full. Pertman is just tempting a full backlash against him and any supporters he

has

left.

And what kind of backlash would that be? The Morrisesy Political Machine
that's going to kick Kay Kahn out of office?

We have 45 states with 97% of the country's population. 19 cities and

towns in

MA with 1 million residents. Thousands of ballot question petition

signatures

to place it on the ballot in a dozen more communities as a "safe bet" that
things will get done here.

Good luck! Been there, done that in Oregon. Do read the book about it:
Adoption Politics: Ballot Initiative 58 and ******* Nation by E. Wayne
Carp, University Press of Kansas, 2004 available through Amazon, B&N and
other fine bookstores. Who will finance it btw, or are you independently
wealthy now? You do know that signature gathering is a cash business, dont'
you?

Adam's got some of the town meeting members of Arlingtonm, and the

Governor of

Hawaii. Hmmmmmm????

And you don't. The way you carried on over on Live from Arlington.com
you'd have
thought SH opponents had hijacked the meeting and duct taped WMD to their
chests..

The rest of the country should really base their public policy laws and opinions on just those two things???? Pertman calls that a "safe bet" against. Again, nice try! Keep up the great work helping our side even more every day! Jean

Well, you're not doing a very good job of it.

BTW, what's with the fetus on your new homepage? www.babysafehavenyes.org I
thought SH wasn't about abortion. And I'm worried about the poor thing.
It's right-side up in a
breech birth position.

Marley

[LilMtnCbn]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

>Subject: Re: NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

From: "Marley Greiner" [email protected]Date: 7/1/2004 11:15 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <[email protected]>
And you don't. The way you carried on over on Live from Arlington.comyou'd havethought SH opponents had hijacked the meeting and duct taped WMD to theirchests..

And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "**** . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

[LilMtnCbn]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

>Subject: Re: NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

From: "Marley Greiner" [email protected]Date: 7/1/2004 11:15 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <[email protected]>
And you don't. The way you carried on over on Live from Arlington.comyou'd havethought SH opponents had hijacked the meeting and duct taped WMD to theirchests..

And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "**** . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

[BabySafeHaven]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

<<<And what kind of backlash would that be? The Morrisesy Political Machine
that's going to kick Kay Kahn out of office?>>>

<<Well, you're not doing a very good job of it.>>

<< I saw none of your troops to the
rescue.>>>>

It'll be on the wires in a few hours. The Massachusetts Senate today voted
unanimously to pass the Baby Safe Haven bill, soon to move to the Governor's
desk.
Guess our troops came out at the right time, before another "Undefendable
Consequence" gets reported to the press, as what happened in Martha's Vineyard,
due to the false statements and disinformation campaigns of EBD and BN.
Many more advocates are still out today (including Arlington TMMs), and through
the holiday weekend, collecting signatures to assure a November ballot question
due to the opposition of the BN state rep supporters such as the one you
mentioned.
Her opponent will be gathering signatures at a 4th of July celebration in her
city.
Another supporter is having a feature published tomorrow about her signature
campaign. A 70 year old Grandmom who is opposing Rep Teahan's anti-Baby Safe
Haven stance.
BTW, the pic on the site is one of the templates by the web service, and a baby
just born has it umbilical and placenta still attached, so at least we're
realistic in our depiction. We have requested a better picture for their
templates.
Keep up the great work as you're just adding to our supporters, with
disinformation your campaign.
Jean

[BabySafeHaven]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

<<<And what kind of backlash would that be? The Morrisesy Political Machine
that's going to kick Kay Kahn out of office?>>>

<<Well, you're not doing a very good job of it.>>

<< I saw none of your troops to the
rescue.>>>>

It'll be on the wires in a few hours. The Massachusetts Senate today voted
unanimously to pass the Baby Safe Haven bill, soon to move to the Governor's
desk.
Guess our troops came out at the right time, before another "Undefendable
Consequence" gets reported to the press, as what happened in Martha's Vineyard,
due to the false statements and disinformation campaigns of EBD and BN.
Many more advocates are still out today (including Arlington TMMs), and through
the holiday weekend, collecting signatures to assure a November ballot question
due to the opposition of the BN state rep supporters such as the one you
mentioned.
Her opponent will be gathering signatures at a 4th of July celebration in her
city.
Another supporter is having a feature published tomorrow about her signature
campaign. A 70 year old Grandmom who is opposing Rep Teahan's anti-Baby Safe
Haven stance.
BTW, the pic on the site is one of the templates by the web service, and a baby
just born has it umbilical and placenta still attached, so at least we're
realistic in our depiction. We have requested a better picture for their
templates.
Keep up the great work as you're just adding to our supporters, with
disinformation your campaign.
Jean

[BabySafeHaven]

NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

<<<<And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!>>>

Do you think anybody in the world gives a rat's pancreas about what you're
talking about here???? Another fictional character??
Pretty soon you'll be fighting to stop Alaska, Hawaii, Nebraska and Vermont
from passing Baby Safe Haven laws. Maybe your next convention and rally should
be in Juneau, in the winter...outdoors.
We'll be getting VT to pass ASAP, so good luck there.
So as you play with fictional characters, spoofs and name games we'll be
bringing on the facts and getting things done.
Have a Happy 4th of July!
~ Jean

[LilMtnCbn]

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>Subject: Re: NEWS: Approval of infant haen law is no longer a safe bet

From: [email protected] (BabySafeHaven)Date: 7/1/2004 4:39 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <[email protected]><<<<And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!>>>Do you think anybody in the world gives a rat's pancreas about what you'retalking about here????

I think you forget where you are. Few give a rat's *** about YOU and your
blatherings. Maybe 99%, to use an oft quoted statistic.

You made an *** out of yourself at that town forum, and then tried to claim
that Ron was a poster called Colonal Mustard to deflect it. You posted a
<snerk> link. Idiot.


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "**** . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

[BabySafeHaven]

NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe bet

<<<<<<And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!>>>

Do you think anybody in the world gives a rat's pancreas about what you'retalking about here????

I think you forget where you are. Few give a rat's *** about YOU and your
blatherings. Maybe 99%, to use an oft quoted statistic.

You made an *** out of yourself at that town forum, and then tried to claim
that Ron was a poster called Colonal Mustard to deflect it. You posted a
<snerk> link. Idiot>>>>

Are you folks for real? The Massachusetts senate passed the Baby Safe Haven
bill UNANIMOUSLY today. They didn't want to look like out of control town
meeting members, like the ones in the town that listened to the disinformation
specialists.
Today in the MA senate it was CYA at its best, and then some.
The legislature, and that TM, is doing everything in its power to keep Baby
Safe Havens from going on the ballot this fall. It's also headed into 100 more
city councils and town meetings, and with even more truth coming out against
your false claims.
As for Pvt. Mustard, or whomever he/she/it is, his "seeds" are only those of
distention without facts behind him/her/it.
We'll await your next "spoof" as that's all you seem to be good at.
Keep up the good work.
~ Jean

[LilMtnCbn]

NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe bet

>Subject: Re: NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe bet

From: [email protected] (BabySafeHaven)Date: 7/1/2004 6:27 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <[email protected]><<<<<<And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!>>>

Do you think anybody in the world gives a rat's pancreas about what you'retalking about here????

I think you forget where you are. Few give a rat's *** about YOU and yourblatherings. Maybe 99%, to use an oft quoted statistic.You made an *** out of yourself at that town forum, and then tried to claimthat Ron was a poster called Colonal Mustard to deflect it. You posted a<snerk> link. Idiot>>>>Are you folks for real? The Massachusetts senate passed the Baby Safe Havenbill UNANIMOUSLY today.

So what? This ng is an international adoption ng.

We all know that you stalked Marley here, and have little or nothing relevant
to say about adoption. You posts sites that show idiots pimping out their
dead, red fetuses with their "it's a boy!" cards, as if it has something to do
with adoption. Big clue: It's doesn't.

You don't participate in relevant threads, your only purpose here is to stalk
Marley. You "jumped the shark" before your first post.

You didn't like a response she made to you here in the ng, so you filed police
charges against her (apparently a common tactic you use towards people who
disagree with you). While investigating, the police told you both not to
engage each other. She complied, and you repeatedly tried to goad her into any
kind of response you could get in the ng or in email. You failed.

Frankly, your obsession with Marley has made you a joke. You post here
repeatedly simply to get her attention. It's obvious.

Why don't you get a blow-up doll, write Marley's name on the forehead with a
sharpie, get a hotel room, and you can sit on it's face, Mike can attempt to
boink it up the butt, and you can finally achieve the satisfaction you want
without boring the rest of the ng with the constant irrelevant posts that you
seem to consider foreplay in your attempt to conquer our Marls.

Have a nice 4th. God bless you.



Mike and Jean beat Colonal Mustard to death on the veranda with a dead red
fetus. Then took pictures and posted them on the net.


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "**** . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

[KL]

NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe bet

LilMtnCbn wrote in message <[email protected]>...

Subject: Re: NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe betFrom: [email protected] (BabySafeHaven)Date: 7/1/2004 6:27 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <[email protected]><<<<<<And Ron is Colonal Mustard! Bwaaaaa!! What a couple of idiots!>>>

Do you think anybody in the world gives a rat's pancreas about what

you're

talking about here????I think you forget where you are. Few give a rat's *** about YOU and yourblatherings. Maybe 99%, to use an oft quoted statistic.You made an *** out of yourself at that town forum, and then tried to

claim

that Ron was a poster called Colonal Mustard to deflect it. You posted a<snerk> link. Idiot>>>>Are you folks for real? The Massachusetts senate passed the Baby Safe

Haven

bill UNANIMOUSLY today.So what? This ng is an international adoption ng.We all know that you stalked Marley here, and have little or nothing

relevant

to say about adoption. You posts sites that show idiots pimping out theirdead, red fetuses with their "it's a boy!" cards, as if it has something to

do

with adoption. Big clue: It's doesn't.You don't participate in relevant threads, your only purpose here is to

stalk

Marley. You "jumped the shark" before your first post.You didn't like a response she made to you here in the ng, so you filed

police

charges against her (apparently a common tactic you use towards people whodisagree with you). While investigating, the police told you both not toengage each other. She complied, and you repeatedly tried to goad her into

any

kind of response you could get in the ng or in email. You failed.Frankly, your obsession with Marley has made you a joke. You post hererepeatedly simply to get her attention. It's obvious.Why don't you get a blow-up doll, write Marley's name on the forehead with

a

sharpie, get a hotel room, and you can sit on it's face, Mike can attempt

to

boink it up the butt, and you can finally achieve the satisfaction you wantwithout boring the rest of the ng with the constant irrelevant posts that

you

seem to consider foreplay in your attempt to conquer our Marls.

YOU GO GIRL! These people are a joke and needed a good telling off. Thanks
for not letting us down!

Have a nice 4th. God bless you.Mike and Jean beat Colonal Mustard to death on the veranda with a dead redfetus. Then took pictures and posted them on the net.

I actually wouldn't put it past them to be the ones abandonding babies to be
found to support their ludicrous(? sp) campaign. Maroons....simply Maroons.

KL

-------------------------A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend

will

be sitting next to you saying, "**** . . . that was fun!"-----Unknown

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[Ron Morgan]

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"BabySafeHaven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

Today in the MA senate it was CYA at its best, and then some. The legislature, and that TM, is doing everything in its power to keep

Baby

Safe Havens from going on the ballot this fall. It's also headed into 100

more

city councils and town meetings, and with even more truth coming out

against

your false claims.

What exactly happened today? If the MA Senate passed a Safe Haven law, then
why is the issue headed to the ballot or more town councils?

As for Pvt. Mustard, or whomever he/she/it is, his "seeds" are only those

of

distention without facts behind him/her/it.

Whatever. The truth is that you tried to slander me on the Arlington Town
Meeting board by claiming I was writing anonymous scatalogical spoofs about
you. I post under my own name, I don't need to hide behind a pseudonym to
call you tragedy pimps and snakeoil salesmen. You spin lies and innuendo
thicker than flies on **** about anyone with the good sense to question your
agenda, and then try to keep a straight face as you describe how even-handed
your presentations are.

We'll await your next "spoof" as that's all you seem to be good at. Keep up the good work.

You too. Your performance at Arlington and its aftermath exposed you for the
pathetic little creeps you really are.

Ron

~ Jean

[LilMtnCbn]

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>Subject: Re: NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe bet

From: [email protected] (BabySafeHaven)Date: 7/1/2004 6:27 PM Mountain Standard Time
As for Pvt. Mustard, or whomever he/she/it is, his "seeds" are only those ofdistention without facts behind him/her/it.

Oooh. "Seeds" and "distention". Wonder what Freud would say about that usage?

We'll await your next "spoof" as that's all you seem to be good at.Keep up the good work.~ Jean

Well, I'm not Ron, and as he's the one you've publically accused of being
*Colonal Mustard*, I just have to wonder. Are you smoking crack? Or just
jonesing to get a ripe whiff of one?


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "**** . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

[Marley Greiner]

NEWS: Approval of infant haven law is no longer a safe bet


"Ron Morgan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected] ...

"BabySafeHaven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

Today in the MA senate it was CYA at its best, and then some. The legislature, and that TM, is doing everything in its power to keep

Baby

Safe Havens from going on the ballot this fall. It's also headed into

100

more

city councils and town meetings, and with even more truth coming out

against

your false claims.

What exactly happened today? If the MA Senate passed a Safe Haven law,

then

why is the issue headed to the ballot or more town councils?

I guess it's like using The Pill and a condom together--just to be safe.
I'd sure like to know what our false claims are, too. As adoptees, truth is
our best weapon as well as our goal.

Marley