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[Jennifer]

"WhansaMi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I was speaking about the relative "wrongness" or immorality of a

circumstance.

Yes, I'd put adultery on the same level, in terms of morality, as armed robbery.

Wow, Sheila. :-O I just have to say I completely disagree here, but as Cal
mentioned, we're all pretty entrenched in our views (paraphrasing if I got
that wrong, Cal!). It comes back to believing that the code we live by is
the right one. I consider myself a person with integrity, but someone who
considered all my views across the board might find that my positions don't
spell integrity to him.

But, I do have a desire to swipe that necklace, or have three

Cosmopolitans. I

don't do that either.

I didn't know there was anything wrong with having three Cosmopolitans. :-)
If there is, I am wrongity wrongity wrong *urp*. (To be fair, those drinks
are really small.)

Jennifer

[WhansaMi]

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>"WhansaMi" <[email protected]> wrote in message

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I was speaking about the relative "wrongness" or immorality of a

circumstance.

Yes, I'd put adultery on the same level, in terms of morality, as armed robbery.

Wow, Sheila. :-O I just have to say I completely disagree here, but as Calmentioned, we're all pretty entrenched in our views (paraphrasing if I gotthat wrong, Cal!). It comes back to believing that the code we live by isthe right one. I consider myself a person with integrity, but someone whoconsidered all my views across the board might find that my positions don'tspell integrity to him.

We are talking about my opinion here, which is why I keep saying, "IMO".

I do hold people who cheat on their spouses in less esteem, just as I hold
people who steal or drive while drunk in less esteem.

My brother cheated on his wife. My nephew committed several burglaries when he
was a late teen, and went to jail. I continue to have contact with both of
them, but, yes, their actions have caused me to change my perspective of both
of them (less so for my nephew, due to his age at the time of the offenses, and
the fact that he has demonstrated a goodly level of integrity and
responsibility since then). But, ultimately, yes, my brother's adultery made
me lose respect for him as an ethical person that I doubt I will ever reclaim.

But, I do have a desire to swipe that necklace, or have three

Cosmopolitans. I

don't do that either.

I didn't know there was anything wrong with having three Cosmopolitans. :-)If there is, I am wrongity wrongity wrong *urp*. (To be fair, those drinksare really small.)Jennifer

There is something wrong with it if you are driving. I found one of those BAC
calculators online, and if a 140 lb. woman drinks three frozen daquiris
(Cosmopolitans aren't listed as an option) over the course of three hours, her
BAC is likely to be 0.10 -- legally impaired in all states.

Sheila

[*Calinda*]

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Jennifer in Maryland wrote in news:[email protected]:

But, I do have a desire to swipe that necklace, or have three Cosmopolitans. I

don't do that either.

I didn't know there was anything wrong with having three Cosmopolitans. :-) If there is, I am wrongity wrongity wrong *urp*. (To be fair, those drinks are really small.)

It is wrong in the context that Sheila orignially mentions, which is
having three cosmos (my favorite as well ), and then getting behind the
wheel of a car. I also don't engage in drinking if I am to drive. Even
at home, I won't have a glass of wine until my kids are home for the
night. To some, that is extreme, but I know how alcohol affects me and
it's a necessary precaution to take.



--
Cal~

Change me to myself for email :-)

[The Watsons]

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"Jennifer in Maryland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I didn't know there was anything wrong with having three Cosmopolitans. :-) If there is, I am wrongity wrongity wrong *urp*.

Pay the royalty.

Jess

[Jennifer]

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"WhansaMi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Wow, Sheila. :-O I just have to say I completely disagree here, but as

Cal

mentioned, we're all pretty entrenched in our views (paraphrasing if I

got

that wrong, Cal!). It comes back to believing that the code we live by

is

the right one. I consider myself a person with integrity, but someone

who

considered all my views across the board might find that my positions

don't

spell integrity to him. We are talking about my opinion here, which is why I keep saying, "IMO". I do hold people who cheat on their spouses in less esteem, just as I hold people who steal or drive while drunk in less esteem. My brother cheated on his wife. My nephew committed several burglaries

when he

was a late teen, and went to jail. I continue to have contact with both

of

them, but, yes, their actions have caused me to change my perspective of

both

of them (less so for my nephew, due to his age at the time of the

offenses, and

the fact that he has demonstrated a goodly level of integrity and responsibility since then). But, ultimately, yes, my brother's adultery

made

me lose respect for him as an ethical person that I doubt I will ever

reclaim.

Fair enough! So how ethical is my position to you--that is, I've never
cheated and plan never to cheat, but I can't say within a shadow of a doubt
that I would never cheat?

Jennifer

[WhansaMi]

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Me:

My brother cheated on his wife. My nephew committed several burglarieswhen he

was a late teen, and went to jail. I continue to have contact with both

of

them, but, yes, their actions have caused me to change my perspective of

both

of them (less so for my nephew, due to his age at the time of the

offenses, and

the fact that he has demonstrated a goodly level of integrity and responsibility since then). But, ultimately, yes, my brother's adultery

made

me lose respect for him as an ethical person that I doubt I will ever

reclaim.

Jennifer: >Fair enough! So how ethical is my position to you--that is, I've
never

cheated and plan never to cheat, but I can't say within a shadow of a doubtthat I would never cheat?Jennifer

Neither ethical or unethical. A prediction about behavior is not an ethical
issue.

Now, if you were to say, "I can't say as without a shadow of a doubt that I
would never cheat, but if I did, as long as it was only once, I don't think
that would be wrong/immoral/unethical", well, then I'd have to say that I think
that is wrong.

Sheila

[Bill in Co.]

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Jennifer in Maryland wrote:

"WhansaMi" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]

Wow, Sheila. :-O I just have to say I completely disagree here, but as

Cal

mentioned, we're all pretty entrenched in our views (paraphrasing if I

got

that wrong, Cal!). It comes back to believing that the code we live by

is

the right one. I consider myself a person with integrity, but someone

who

considered all my views across the board might find that my positions

don't

spell integrity to him. We are talking about my opinion here, which is why I keep saying, "IMO". I do hold people who cheat on their spouses in less esteem, just as I

hold

people who steal or drive while drunk in less esteem. My brother cheated on his wife. My nephew committed several burglaries

when

he was a late teen, and went to jail. I continue to have contact with

both

of them, but, yes, their actions have caused me to change my perspective

of

both of them (less so for my nephew, due to his age at the time of the offenses, and the fact that he has demonstrated a goodly level of

integrity

and responsibility since then). But, ultimately, yes, my brother's

adultery

made me lose respect for him as an ethical person that I doubt I will

ever

reclaim. Fair enough! So how ethical is my position to you--that is, I've never cheated and plan never to cheat, but I can't say within a shadow of a

doubt

that I would never cheat? Jennifer

Well, no maybe YOU can't, Jennifer. You've still got a few more of the
Ten Commandments to catch up on first - at least if I read what you said
right.

[Jennifer]

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"WhansaMi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Jennifer: >Fair enough! So how ethical is my position to you--that is,

I've

never

cheated and plan never to cheat, but I can't say within a shadow of a

doubt

that I would never cheat?Jennifer Neither ethical or unethical. A prediction about behavior is not an

ethical

issue. Now, if you were to say, "I can't say as without a shadow of a doubt that

I

would never cheat, but if I did, as long as it was only once, I don't

think

that would be wrong/immoral/unethical", well, then I'd have to say that I

think

that is wrong.

Hmmm, I don't think that if Tim did it once, it would be
wrong/immoral/unethical. I'd consider it stupid experimentation and I'd
want him not to put it on me.

I'm not sure if I'd say that I could do it once and it would not be
wrong/immoral/unethical. OTOH, what's keeping me from cheating is my
connection with Tim, not some sense that cheating is wrong. I don't avoid
cheating because I think it's immoral, I avoid cheating because I want to
feel at peace with myself. I imagine that *if* I cheated, I'd feel
justified in some way as I've seen other people behave, and I'd possibly
feel I'm still a moral person. As I just discussed with Tracey, though, I
would certainly grant that I've committed an immoral *act*.

Jennifer