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    Thats not true. If they had paid my housing expenses or medical bills
    then
    I would have had to repay that had I changed my mind.

    Do you live in Idaho?

    An agency can ask the
    birth parents to sign a financial agreement for their protection.

    That's not what the laws say. Besides, its not the agency who pays the
    costs out of their own money. It's the adoptive parents who pay them.

    This can
    help them recoup money lost due to fraud.

    Fraud would have to be established first. Otherwise, the mother has a
    legal right to change her mind after the baby is born, or before. Any
    monies paid out for her expense are considered a gift, an act of
    charity under law. She is not obliged to repay it.


    Besides helping to protect them
    against fraud it also helps the birth mother/father understand the
    importance of their decison. No agency could ever use this to take
    someones
    baby away.

    What cave did you say you've been hiding in for decades? This has been
    a well established rouse since the early 60's according to old US
    adoption literature. Even the legislators were concerned about it back
    then. But never bothered to change the practices to protect against
    it.

    The most they could do is possibly get a judgment and the
    parents have to repay the money spent and I really doubt that in a
    case
    where the woman was truly pregnant and not trying to con anyone that a
    court
    would make a judgment against her. No one is stupid enough to believe
    that
    a judge will take their baby away for payment of a debt any way.

    Any frightened young kid would fall for it without it ever getting
    anywhere near a court of law.


    If a woman can not pay her own medical expenses or doesnt have
    insurance
    then there are state programs to help as well as free and low cost
    clinics
    in almost all towns.

    If that is so then why do adoption agencies advertise that adopters
    are required to pay the mother's medical and hospital bills?


    Even though my husband makes way too much for me to be
    eligible for medical aid (I checked since I dont have insurance and
    have
    health problems) if I were to get pregnant I could automatically get
    it for
    the duration of the pregnancy. Many states like IN have state health
    insurance programs that are based on your income level and anyone can
    get.
    You pay the premiums and copay based on your income level. ANyone is
    eligible.

    Perhaps it's different in each state.
    --
    BaD *** Me

  • #2
    nfant adoption is a risky venture for adults who want a baby

    Subject: nfant adoption is a risky venture for adults who want a baby
    From: [email protected] (Dian)
    Date: 12/14/2004 6:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email protected] >

    Thats not true. If they had paid my housing expenses or medical bills
    then
    I would have had to repay that had I changed my mind.

    Do you live in Idaho?

    An agency can ask the
    birth parents to sign a financial agreement for their protection.

    That's not what the laws say. Besides, its not the agency who pays the
    costs out of their own money. It's the adoptive parents who pay them.

    This can
    help them recoup money lost due to fraud.

    Fraud would have to be established first. Otherwise, the mother has a
    legal right to change her mind after the baby is born, or before. Any
    monies paid out for her expense are considered a gift, an act of
    charity under law. She is not obliged to repay it.


    Besides helping to protect them
    against fraud it also helps the birth mother/father understand the
    importance of their decison. No agency could ever use this to take
    someones
    baby away.

    What cave did you say you've been hiding in for decades? This has been
    a well established rouse since the early 60's according to old US
    adoption literature. Even the legislators were concerned about it back
    then. But never bothered to change the practices to protect against
    it.

    The most they could do is possibly get a judgment and the
    parents have to repay the money spent and I really doubt that in a
    case
    where the woman was truly pregnant and not trying to con anyone that a
    court
    would make a judgment against her. No one is stupid enough to believe
    that
    a judge will take their baby away for payment of a debt any way.

    Any frightened young kid would fall for it without it ever getting
    anywhere near a court of law.


    If a woman can not pay her own medical expenses or doesnt have
    insurance
    then there are state programs to help as well as free and low cost
    clinics
    in almost all towns.

    If that is so then why do adoption agencies advertise that adopters
    are required to pay the mother's medical and hospital bills?


    Even though my husband makes way too much for me to be
    eligible for medical aid (I checked since I dont have insurance and
    have
    health problems) if I were to get pregnant I could automatically get
    it for
    the duration of the pregnancy. Many states like IN have state health
    insurance programs that are based on your income level and anyone can
    get.
    You pay the premiums and copay based on your income level. ANyone is
    eligible.

    Perhaps it's different in each state.
    --
    BaD *** Me


    Why are you copying and pasting, Di?

    I can't tell who said what. Is your quote feature not working?


    Kathy







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    • #3
      nfant adoption is a risky venture for adults who want a baby


      "Dian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
      news:[email protected] om...
      | Thats not true. If they had paid my housing expenses or medical bills
      | then
      | I would have had to repay that had I changed my mind.
      |
      | Do you live in Idaho?
      |
      | An agency can ask the
      | birth parents to sign a financial agreement for their protection.
      |
      | That's not what the laws say. Besides, its not the agency who pays the
      | costs out of their own money. It's the adoptive parents who pay them.
      |

      THen somebody should tell the agencys because I can find online where they
      state their policies about financial statements. Whetehr or not it would be
      upheld in court is another issue.
      I dont know about all agencys or adoptions but in my case it was the agency
      who paid the expenses. The adoptive family knew nothing of the pregnancy or
      adoption until my child was two months old and free to be adopted. Then I
      am sure that whatever fees they paid would have included paying any medical
      expenses etc. However it is all initially paid by the agency and if the
      mother backs out it is the agency who has lost the money.

      | This can
      | help them recoup money lost due to fraud.
      |
      | Fraud would have to be established first. Otherwise, the mother has a
      | legal right to change her mind after the baby is born, or before. Any
      | monies paid out for her expense are considered a gift, an act of
      | charity under law. She is not obliged to repay it.
      |
      |

      In the case of my agency I was required to get medical care right away
      before they would even discuss an adoption. This way they knew I was indeed
      pregnant and not trying to con them so there was no chance of fraud. I dont
      know if a court would have upheld the financial agreement but I know it was
      either legally allowed or the judge, attornys, agency workers and court
      reporter were all in on it since it had to be brought up during the adoption
      hearing.

      | Besides helping to protect them
      | against fraud it also helps the birth mother/father understand the
      | importance of their decison. No agency could ever use this to take
      | someones
      | baby away.
      |
      | What cave did you say you've been hiding in for decades? This has been
      | a well established rouse since the early 60's according to old US
      | adoption literature. Even the legislators were concerned about it back
      | then. But never bothered to change the practices to protect against
      | it.
      |
      | The most they could do is possibly get a judgment and the
      | parents have to repay the money spent and I really doubt that in a
      | case
      | where the woman was truly pregnant and not trying to con anyone that a
      | court
      | would make a judgment against her. No one is stupid enough to believe
      | that
      | a judge will take their baby away for payment of a debt any way.
      |
      | Any frightened young kid would fall for it without it ever getting
      | anywhere near a court of law.
      |

      I have never met anyone, undecated, young, old etc who was stupid enough to
      believe that anyone anywhere could reposes a baby for a debt owed.

      |
      | If a woman can not pay her own medical expenses or doesnt have
      | insurance
      | then there are state programs to help as well as free and low cost
      | clinics
      | in almost all towns.
      |
      | If that is so then why do adoption agencies advertise that adopters
      | are required to pay the mother's medical and hospital bills?
      |

      Ive never seen them advertise that they MUST pay their medical expenses if
      going through an agency. I only used one adoption agency and later closely
      worked iwth another one so that is all I can speak to. Most of the
      birthmothers I knew paid their own medical expenses either through their
      parents insurance or medical aid from the state.

      |
      | Even though my husband makes way too much for me to be
      | eligible for medical aid (I checked since I dont have insurance and
      | have
      | health problems) if I were to get pregnant I could automatically get
      | it for
      | the duration of the pregnancy. Many states like IN have state health
      | insurance programs that are based on your income level and anyone can
      | get.
      | You pay the premiums and copay based on your income level. ANyone is
      | eligible.
      |
      | Perhaps it's different in each state.

      Im sure it is. I cant say I know 100% but I would bet that each state
      offers some sort of care for indigent pregnant women/girls. Whether it be
      through state aid, free clinics, the health dept etc. I know that Crisis
      Pregnancy Centers are spread pretty much all over the US now and many of
      those offer free medical care for mothers choosing to keep their children.
      --
      BaD *** Me

      | --
      | BaD *** Me


      Comment


      • #4
        nfant adoption is a risky venture for adults who want a baby


        "Kathy " <[email protected]> wrote in message
        news:[email protected]
        | Subject: nfant adoption is a risky venture for adults who want a baby
        | From: [email protected] (Dian)
        | Date: 12/14/2004 6:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
        | Message-id: <[email protected] >
        |
        | Thats not true. If they had paid my housing expenses or medical bills
        | then
        | I would have had to repay that had I changed my mind.
        |
        | Do you live in Idaho?
        |
        | An agency can ask the
        | birth parents to sign a financial agreement for their protection.
        |
        | That's not what the laws say. Besides, its not the agency who pays the
        | costs out of their own money. It's the adoptive parents who pay them.
        |
        | This can
        | help them recoup money lost due to fraud.
        |
        | Fraud would have to be established first. Otherwise, the mother has a
        | legal right to change her mind after the baby is born, or before. Any
        | monies paid out for her expense are considered a gift, an act of
        | charity under law. She is not obliged to repay it.
        |
        |
        | Besides helping to protect them
        | against fraud it also helps the birth mother/father understand the
        | importance of their decison. No agency could ever use this to take
        | someones
        | baby away.
        |
        | What cave did you say you've been hiding in for decades? This has been
        | a well established rouse since the early 60's according to old US
        | adoption literature. Even the legislators were concerned about it back
        | then. But never bothered to change the practices to protect against
        | it.
        |
        | The most they could do is possibly get a judgment and the
        | parents have to repay the money spent and I really doubt that in a
        | case
        | where the woman was truly pregnant and not trying to con anyone that a
        | court
        | would make a judgment against her. No one is stupid enough to believe
        | that
        | a judge will take their baby away for payment of a debt any way.
        |
        | Any frightened young kid would fall for it without it ever getting
        | anywhere near a court of law.
        |
        |

        Every adoption has to go through the courts and I do believe that every
        state is pretty similar in the process. I know in my case the judge had to
        be notified of any and all expenses paid to me or on my behalf or any gifts
        given. The only thing to claim was one used maternity shirt that I borrowed
        and returned. Even that had to be accounted for though. Then the judge
        made sure I understand that I could not be coerced or forced to relenquish
        for money, debts, promises, threats etc. It was along process in chambers
        going through what they could and could not do for me, offer me, promise me
        etc. Even if I had fallen for the 'give us your baby in leu of payment'
        then that time in court with the judge would have taken care of htat. I
        still say that even our teens today are bright enough to know that no child
        has ever been reposed by the hospital for non payment of the birthing
        expenses or by the electric company for not paying the light bill.
        --
        BaD *** Me

        | If a woman can not pay her own medical expenses or doesnt have
        | insurance
        | then there are state programs to help as well as free and low cost
        | clinics
        | in almost all towns.
        |
        | If that is so then why do adoption agencies advertise that adopters
        | are required to pay the mother's medical and hospital bills?
        |
        |
        | Even though my husband makes way too much for me to be
        | eligible for medical aid (I checked since I dont have insurance and
        | have
        | health problems) if I were to get pregnant I could automatically get
        | it for
        | the duration of the pregnancy. Many states like IN have state health
        | insurance programs that are based on your income level and anyone can
        | get.
        | You pay the premiums and copay based on your income level. ANyone is
        | eligible.
        |
        | Perhaps it's different in each state.
        | --
        | BaD *** Me
        |
        |
        | Why are you copying and pasting, Di?
        |
        | I can't tell who said what. Is your quote feature not working?
        |
        |
        | Kathy
        |
        |
        |
        |
        |
        |
        |


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        • #5
          nfant adoption is a risky venture for adults who want a baby


          "Dian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
          news:[email protected] om...
          | B.A.M. wrote: Thats not true. If they had paid my housing expenses or
          medical bills
          | then
          | I would have had to repay that had I changed my mind.
          |
          | Dian wrote: Do you live in Idaho?
          |
          | B.A.M. wrote: An agency can ask the
          | birth parents to sign a financial agreement for their protection.
          |
          | Dian wrote: That's not what the laws say. Besides, its not the agency who
          pays the
          | costs out of their own money. It's the adoptive parents who pay them.
          |
          | B.A.M. wrote:This can
          | help them recoup money lost due to fraud.
          |
          | Dian wrote: Fraud would have to be established first. Otherwise, the
          mother has a
          | legal right to change her mind after the baby is born, or before. Any
          | monies paid out for her expense are considered a gift, an act of
          | charity under law. She is not obliged to repay it.
          |
          |
          | B.A.M. wrote: Besides helping to protect them
          | against fraud it also helps the birth mother/father understand the
          | importance of their decison. No agency could ever use this to take
          | someones
          | baby away.
          |
          | Dian wrote: What cave did you say you've been hiding in for decades? This
          has been
          | a well established rouse since the early 60's according to old US
          | adoption literature. Even the legislators were concerned about it back
          | then. But never bothered to change the practices to protect against
          | it.
          |
          | B.A.M. wrote: The most they could do is possibly get a judgment and the
          | parents have to repay the money spent and I really doubt that in a
          | case
          | where the woman was truly pregnant and not trying to con anyone that a
          | court
          | would make a judgment against her. No one is stupid enough to believe
          | that
          | a judge will take their baby away for payment of a debt any way.
          |
          | Dian wrote: Any frightened young kid would fall for it without it ever
          getting
          | anywhere near a court of law.
          |
          |
          | B.A.M. wrote: If a woman can not pay her own medical expenses or doesnt
          have
          | insurance
          | then there are state programs to help as well as free and low cost
          | clinics
          | in almost all towns.
          |
          | Dian wrote: If that is so then why do adoption agencies advertise that
          adopters
          | are required to pay the mother's medical and hospital bills?
          |
          |

          This is simply not true.
          "Agencies differ widely about what they consider "services to adoptive
          parents." Some may include all, or a part, of the costs of the counseling
          and medical care for birthparents. Others view birthparents as clients in
          their own right and hold that none of the costs of serving them should be
          included in computing charges to adoptive parents."
          http://library.adoption.com/Avoiding...le/2565/1.html

          --
          BaD *** Me

          | B.A.M. wrote:Even though my husband makes way too much for me to be
          | eligible for medical aid (I checked since I dont have insurance and
          | have
          | health problems) if I were to get pregnant I could automatically get
          | it for
          | the duration of the pregnancy. Many states like IN have state health
          | insurance programs that are based on your income level and anyone can
          | get.
          | You pay the premiums and copay based on your income level. ANyone is
          | eligible.
          |
          | Dian wrote: Perhaps it's different in each state.
          | --
          | BaD *** Me


          Comment

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