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  • #31
    OT but Interesting

    Economic (left / right) -7.12
    Liberatarian / Authoritarian -5.85

    I consider myself a cooperative anarchist

    I dont' mind guns (excluding assuault weapons)
    I love camping

    shinypenny wrote:
    [email protected] (Marcus Ulpius Traianus) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    shinypenny <[email protected]> wrote:
    Where do you fall on the political compass?
    Economic Left/Right: -4.88Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
    Wow, looks like I have the most libertarian score on this group. My sweetie (looking over my shoulder as usual) just remarked that libertarians are gun nuts hiding out in the woods. I don't like guns. I don't even like camping. <grin> jen

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    • #32
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      "Jayne Kulikauskas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
      "shinypenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] om...
      Tracey <[email protected]> wrote in message
      news:<[email protected]>...
      Hehe...About where I figured....The same exact place as Jean Chretien. (Not that I ever compared myself to Jean, just I knew I was basically in the middle. Tracey Risking sounding ignorant, who is Jean Chretien?
      The Prime Minister of Canada. It doesn't offend Canadians when people in the US don't know that, though. We tend to think it's funny. Jayne
      Oh, I think it's sad. :-(

      jen

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      • #33
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        "shinypenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
        news:[email protected] om...
        "Jayne Kulikauskas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
        news:<[email protected]>...
        "shinypenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] om...
        Tracey <[email protected]> wrote in message
        news:<[email protected]>...
        > Hehe...About where I figured....The same exact place > as Jean Chretien. (Not that I ever compared myself to > Jean, just I knew I was basically in the middle. > > Tracey Risking sounding ignorant, who is Jean Chretien?
        The Prime Minister of Canada. It doesn't offend Canadians when people
        in
        the US don't know that, though. We tend to think it's funny. Jayne Oh, I think it's sad. :-(
        It's one of those things where if you laugh at it you don't have to get
        angry or sad about it.

        Jayne


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        • #34
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          "Jen shinypenny <[email protected]>" wrote in message
          Risking sounding ignorant, who is Jean Chretien?
          "Jayne Kulikauskas <[email protected]>" replied:
          The Prime Minister of Canada. It doesn't offend Canadians when people in the US don't know that, though. We tend to think it's funny.
          Thus reminding me of one of my favorite quotes:

          [elvis:~ 17] fortune -m 'invade South Dakota'
          %% (fortunes)
          For some reason a glaze passes over people's faces when you say
          "Canada". Maybe we should invade South Dakota or something.
          -- Sandra Gotlieb, wife of the Canadian ambassador to
          the U.S.
          [elvis:~ 18]

          (Of course, Canada doesn't actually *border* South Dakota, so maybe
          Mrs. Gotlieb needs to review her geography.)


          Now that I'm thinking about it, here's a story that really *needed* to
          be reported this way:

          <http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml>


          And, in the interest of balance:

          <http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/99/Sep/canada.html>


          Darren Provine ! [email protected] ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
          "The Canadian Prime Minister said Canada would lend the U.S. its full
          military support. You know what that means: both tanks." -- Jay Leno

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          • #35
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            "Dr Nancy's Sweetie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
            news:[email protected]
            "Jen shinypenny <[email protected]>" wrote in message
            Risking sounding ignorant, who is Jean Chretien?
            "Jayne Kulikauskas <[email protected]>" replied:
            The Prime Minister of Canada. It doesn't offend Canadians when people in the US don't know that, though. We tend to think it's funny.
            Thus reminding me of one of my favorite quotes: [elvis:~ 17] fortune -m 'invade South Dakota' %% (fortunes) For some reason a glaze passes over people's faces when you say "Canada". Maybe we should invade South Dakota or something. -- Sandra Gotlieb, wife of the Canadian ambassador to the U.S. [elvis:~ 18] (Of course, Canada doesn't actually *border* South Dakota, so maybe Mrs. Gotlieb needs to review her geography.)
            She couldn't very well give away the *real* attack plans, could she, eh?
            Now that I'm thinking about it, here's a story that really *needed* to be reported this way: <http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml> And, in the interest of balance: <http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/99/Sep/canada.html>
            You have a great sense of humour, Darren. Are you sure you aren't part
            Canadian?

            <g>
            Jayne


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            • #36
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              "Jayne Kulikauskas" <[email protected]> writes:
              "shinypenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] om...
              "Jayne Kulikauskas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
              news:<[email protected]>...
              "shinypenny" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] om... > Tracey <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > > Hehe...About where I figured....The same exact place > > as Jean Chretien. (Not that I ever compared myself to > > Jean, just I knew I was basically in the middle. > > > > Tracey > > Risking sounding ignorant, who is Jean Chretien? The Prime Minister of Canada. It doesn't offend Canadians when people
              in
              the US don't know that, though. We tend to think it's funny. Jayne Oh, I think it's sad. :-(
              It's one of those things where if you laugh at it you don't have to get angry or sad about it.
              Well, there is this other side of things. In terms of population, I
              think Canada is smaller than California.

              Most americans don't know who the governer of California is either
              (though I make an exception for the last few months).

              Furthermore, in terms of things like trade, California is more
              important to Canada than Canada is to the US. And yet I bet that most
              Canadians don't (normally) know who the governer of California is.

              There is a natural asymmetry when you have a very large (in population
              and economy) country next to a much smaller one. In a number of
              respects, the U.S. matters more to Canada than Canada matters to the
              U.S. I'm not saying this to condone ignorance - merely to point out
              that it isn't especially surprising.

              Worse than the fact that most citizens of the US don't know who Jean
              Chretien is, is that most of us don't know who Vicente Fox is either.
              I wonder what percentage of Canadians know who Vicente Fox is?

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              • #37
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                On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 11:26:26 +1000, "Tai"
                <[email protected]> wrote:
                Randy Poe wrote:
                On 2 Oct 2003 17:38:13 -0700, [email protected] (shinypenny) wrote:
                Where do you fall on the political compass? http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...aire.pl?page=1 jen
                Cool questionnaire. A little more middle-of-the-road than other people in this thread: (-2.25, -3.49) but lower-left quadrant like everybody else. Could there be a <gasp> liberal bias in ASM? Poor Bill.
                Heh...I found it interesting that once I had my results nearly everyone else whoposted theirs were about what I'd expect, compared to mine - except yours,Randy.
                I thought I'd be out there too. There were some obvious knee-jerk
                liberal questions I was all the way out there on (like whether the
                government should subsidize public broadcasting), but there were a few
                others that I went more conservative on. I think that brought my score
                closer than the center than I suspected.
                My result did surprise me because I'm fairly conservative on manyissues and I certainly couldn't be described as a pacifist!
                Pacifism is actually a fairly difficult question for me. I am a member
                of a mostly pacifist church, which I strongly believe in, and an
                employee of a large aerospace contractor, which I also strongly
                believe in. I think that's the kind of thing that put my score where
                it is.

                - Randy

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                • #38
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                  On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:38:54 GMT, "Bill in Co" <[email protected]>
                  wrote:
                  It may surprise some of you "pidgeonholers" out there to know that I have acolleague at the University that thinks I'm a "left wing, "Peoples Republic ofBoulder", "Jane Fonda type", of liberal. (It doesn't help when I bring upthe fact that I think we should have a universal health plan, like Canadadoes). And that I hate guns. And those who are destroying the environment.So don't pidgeonhole me as a right wing conservative, cause you JUST might bewrong.
                  Perhaps it's best to call you socially conservative, economically
                  liberal then. I'd describe myself in opposite terms. I was a
                  Republican when I considered the Democrats fiscally irresponsible. Now
                  that the Republicans are fiscally wacky, I'm a Democrat (that's not
                  the only reason, but it's a biggie). Not to invite a flame war or
                  anything.

                  By the way, interesting "everything is going down the toilet" article
                  in this week's New York Times Magazine (dated tomorrow, but we get it
                  on Saturday). The stats for crime are WAY, WAY down in New York
                  compared to the 70s. New York really was a sewer back then, with
                  everything you say is wrong with society today. But all that stuff is
                  on the way down.

                  - Randy

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                  • #39
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                    "Doug Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
                    news:LnFfb.37981$%[email protected]

                    []
                    Worse than the fact that most citizens of the US don't know who Jean Chretien is, is that most of us don't know who Vicente Fox is either.
                    Why is it worse to be ignorant about the government of Mexico than of
                    Canada?
                    I wonder what percentage of Canadians know who Vicente Fox is?
                    It is probably pretty small. There is very little coverage of Mexican
                    politics here. I don't even recall it being in the news when he was elected
                    president, although it must have been.

                    Jayne (Google is my friend <g>)


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                    • #40
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                      "Jayne Kulikauskas" <[email protected]> writes:
                      "Doug Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:LnFfb.37981$%[email protected] []
                      Worse than the fact that most citizens of the US don't know who Jean Chretien is, is that most of us don't know who Vicente Fox is either.
                      Why is it worse to be ignorant about the government of Mexico than of Canada?
                      It is a much larger (in population) neighbor of the United States.

                      It is a smaller trade partner, I think, but very culturally important
                      because of the very many recent, and not so recent, Mexican immigrants.

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                      • #41
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                        On 4 Oct 2003 11:14:43 -0700, [email protected] (shinypenny)
                        wrote:
                        Risking sounding ignorant, who is Jean Chretien? The Prime Minister of Canada. It doesn't offend Canadians when people in the US don't know that, though. We tend to think it's funny. JayneOh, I think it's sad. :-(jen
                        Do you know who the mayor of Boise, Idaho is, if you don't live there?

                        Both of these individuals have roughly the same relevance in world
                        affairs.

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                        • #42
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                          On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:46:10 -0400, "Jayne Kulikauskas"
                          <[email protected]> wrote:
                          "Doug Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:LnFfb.37981$%[email protected][]
                          Worse than the fact that most citizens of the US don't know who Jean Chretien is, is that most of us don't know who Vicente Fox is either.
                          Why is it worse to be ignorant about the government of Mexico than ofCanada?
                          Mexico is a much more important and interesting country than Canada.

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                          • #43
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                            On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:03:04 -0700, [email protected] (Marcus Ulpius
                            Traianus) wrote:
                            shinypenny <[email protected]> wrote:
                            Where do you fall on the political compass?
                            Economic Left/Right: -4.88Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69
                            The questions are obviously loaded in order to shift people into this
                            quadrant.

                            Everyone has an agenda...

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                            • #44
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                              Doug Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
                              Well, there is this other side of things. In terms of population, I think Canada is smaller than California.
                              You're right.

                              I was going to say "no, Canada can't be under 30 million" ... but while I
                              was right about that (barely: the official Canadian government figure is
                              about 30 million exactly) California has about 34 million rather than the 29
                              million that I remembered it having... and I live there.

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                              • #45
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                                Jayne Kulikauskas <[email protected]> wrote:
                                It is probably pretty small. There is very little coverage of Mexican politics here. I don't even recall it being in the news when he was elected president, although it must have been.
                                It was pretty big news, since IIRC, he's the first non-PRI president since
                                the revolution.

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