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    How does someone become certifyed by the NLRB?
    And What kind of Corporation if any are Unions chartered?

    Thanks
    Tino

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    Starting a new Labor Union

    [email protected] (teak) wrote in
    news:[email protected] om:
    How does someone become certifyed by the NLRB?
    The union or the employer files a petition for election with the NLRB.
    The union may file the petition when it has the support of 30% of the
    employees in the given bargaining unit.
    This "support" may be proven by circulating union cards and having the
    employees sign them.

    The NLRB conducts an election, and the employees vote. They can vote for
    any union on the ballot, or no union. Majority wins. Once the election is
    official, there cannot be another election for at least 12 months. If a
    contract is signed, there cannot be another election for 3 years (absent
    special, specific circumstances).



    And What kind of Corporation if any are Unions chartered?
    Are you asking the method of organization of unions?

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    • #3
      Starting a new Labor Union

      I think I asked the wrong question, I am founding a new Union. I wish
      to legitimize this Union. What does someone do to make their Union
      official and legally recognizable? ( I am doing this by myself now)

      Tino

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      • #4
        Starting a new Labor Union

        On 26 Dec 2003, [email protected] (teak) wrote:
        I think I asked the wrong question, I am founding a new Union. I wish to legitimize this Union. What does someone do to make their Union official and legally recognizable? ( I am doing this by myself now)
        To the extent you continue as in your earlier posting/query to focus
        primarily on the form of the organization, you still probably are not
        asking the right questions.

        Though many unions in the U.S. are incorporated, most are not because
        in the U.S. a labor union need not be (and many still are not)
        anything more than an association of employees who, in the association
        form, bargain collectively with their employer.

        Many already existing unions provide organizational advice and
        assistance to start-ups on a confidential basis if desired and also
        often without any "strings attached" in terms of a commitment to
        affiliate. Therefore, a perhaps more helpful "How?" than a
        necessarily brief (and, for that reason, likely in effect misleading)
        response to a Usenet "newsgroup" query of the sort above, though ones
        that also will knowledgeably address the law-technical Stuff to which
        you refer, will be obtainable by practical communication with folks
        who've been through the formation-organizational and also bargaining
        process re. which some representative (thus: not exhaustive) sources
        are:

        http://www.ufcw.org/get_a_union/industries.cfm
        http://www.ufcw.org/get_a_union/orga..._101/index.cfm

        http://www.aflcio.org/aboutunions/howto/

        http://www.iuoelocal317.org/Why_Union.htm

        http://www.wholeworkersunite.org/Con...ctions-15.html

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        • #5
          Starting a new Labor Union

          Thank you., Here are my questions. I wish to be the founder of a Brand
          new spanking Labor Union. Like one that never existed before. Non
          alligned with the AFL-IWW-Teamsters, but one That will be legally
          recognized.
          What step by step process can one take to found and have their Union
          legally recognized?
          Does one file with NLRB-State DOL? What is the process to Birth this
          new Union.
          What seeds to I plant to make this legal? This question cannot be that
          hard to answer. I wish to found this Union on my own for now.

          That is all I want to know.

          Thanks Tino

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          • #6
            Starting a new Labor Union

            On 27 Dec 2003, [email protected] (teak) wrote:
            I wish to be the founder of a . . . Labor Union. Like one that never existed before. Non alligned with the AFL-IWW-Teamsters, but one That will be legally recognized. What step by step process can one take to found and have their Union legally recognized? * * * What seeds do I plant to make this legal? This question cannot be that hard to answer. I wish to found this Union on my own for now. That is all I want to know. Thanks
            If "all [you] want to know" really is just an answer to the
            formation-of-a union question, as you continue to insist, the first
            step, which seems to be the one that primarilly concerns you, need not
            be anything more than a work-place variation on the Judy Garland and
            Mickey Rooney characters in their "Lets put on a show!" mode --
            namely, discuss with like-minded employees, "Lets form a union!"
            whereupon, if they agree, call yourselves exactly that and . . .
            Voila! . . . you now have a union.

            There is not any law-required obligation that the union you will have
            thereby formed affiliate with the AFL-CIO or with the Teamsters (or
            with any other pre-existing union) and, if most of the employees of
            your employer similarly situated with you do not just agree but then
            also act accordingly (i.e., collectively in "union" form), so be it.

            It is just that when (if) you then attempt to solicit and obtain the
            (presumably at first oral but also necessarily written) authorization
            from a majority of fellow workers in like-situated jobs that the union
            you've just formed may and should represent them for collective
            bargaining then also attempt to agree among yourselves what the nature
            of the recongition and bargaining requests (or, if you/they prefer,
            "demands") ought be (e.g., what employees doing what jobs ought be
            included? pursuant to what specific terms/conditions of employment?
            etc., etc.) you will find that the least important issue you will want
            or need to address is what kind of piece of paper to file with
            this-or-that governmental agency. However, that you persist in just
            repeating your query formalistically (and yet in part apparently
            fantastically if not grandiosely) but without your having reported
            that you've even looked at any of the previously supplied or like
            references, you are not being serious in what you purport to say/ask.

            Anyway, the "seeds" you will need to "plant" to make the union "legal"
            need not be very much more than what I summarize above (depending ho
            your fellow workers respond to your "seed" and, thereafter, what the
            employer's response will be -- issues which also do not and will not
            importantly depend on the formalisms to which you've so far confined
            yourself).

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            • #7
              Forming a Union

              Forming an "independent" union would be a big mistake; I think you should re-consider this for the protection of all. If you do not know how to form a Union; you certainly are not knowledgable enough to legally and properly represent them after you have formed the Union.

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              • #8
                I would agree with rmac. The hoops that must be jumped thru are a formidable list. The penalties for violating some of these requirements can also be sizeable. During your organizing drive and contract negotiations you will see why the services of an experienced business agent are priceless. Keep in mind that in negotiating you can lose $ and bennies if you don't know what you are doing, and rest assured your employer will hire someone who does.

                What you ask can be done, but why re-invent something that already exists in (most cases) a very refined form.

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                • #9
                  Did either of you last two posters notice that this thread is from 2003?
                  The above answer, whatever it is, assumes that no legally binding and enforceable contract or CBA says otherwise. If it does, then the terms of the contract or CBA apply.

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