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  • Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.

    I just saw the New rules for the EOI...it seems now that Indian and
    Chineas will not be getting any exp points for the work done in their
    own countries. Very strange!!!!!

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    Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


    Originally posted by Amir
    I just saw the New rules for the EOI...it seems now that Indian and
    Chineas will not be getting any exp points for the work done in their
    own countries. Very strange!!!!!


    Dear Amir,



    Seems NZ is worried and envy the technicals skills that Indians and
    Chinese have. NZIS should better think of drafting a strategy that
    enables their native citizens to compete with the Super Powers of IT
    rather than restricting them by work experience points. Seems now they
    have resorted to cheap tactics. Poor NewZealanders.



    Regards



    skbn136app


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      Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


      Hi there



      The matter of some skills being universal and transportable was raised
      with Minister last week.



      It was suggested that total disregard of all occupations from some
      countries would mean that NZ missed out on some necessary occupations,
      such people as java programmers, electronics manufacturers, engineers
      etc. Some skills are transportable across countries, but some are not.



      We've had migrant civil engineers in NZ who were degree qualified in
      camouflage and bunker building. There are no jobs in those fields in NZ,
      so of course there is no major reason to let them in, if they can't find
      work and skills are too narrow.



      The issue is how complicated things get. Imagine listing about 200
      industries and then having to decide on country by country basis that
      this one is Ok, this one is not etc. It would be administrative
      nightmare and open to lots of argument, and you know how NZIS often get
      it wrong, and some people fake their documents.



      I am sure that with enough pressure they will make some occupations an
      exception to the rule and approve them, such as IT and some
      engineering etc.



      It will take requests from employers and industry groups to get those
      changes in place.



      Best if you try lobbying on political and oganisational front, as well
      as make things pulbic here.



      It's early days yet, I hope it gets sorted out over time.



      Regards



      Originally posted by skbn136app
      Dear Amir,

      Seems NZ is worried and envy the technicals skills that Indians and Chinese have. NZIS should better think of drafting a strategy that enables their native citizens to compete with the Super Powers of IT rather than restricting them by work experience points. Seems now they have resorted to cheap tactics. Poor NewZealanders.

      Regards
      skbn136app


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        Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


        Originally posted by Jamie Smith
        Hi there

        The matter of some skills being universal and transportable was raised with Minister last week.

        It was suggested that total disregard of all occupations from some countries would mean that NZ missed out on some necessary occupations, such people as java programmers, electronics manufacturers, engineers etc. Some skills are transportable across countries, but some are not.

        We've had migrant civil engineers in NZ who were degree qualified in camouflage and bunker building. There are no jobs in those fields in NZ, so of course there is no major reason to let them in, if they can't find work and skills are too narrow.

        The issue is how complicated things get. Imagine listing about 200 industries and then having to decide on country by country basis that this one is Ok, this one is not etc. It would be administrative nightmare and open to lots of argument, and you know how NZIS often get it wrong, and some people fake their documents.

        I am sure that with enough pressure they will make some occupations an exception to the rule and approve them, such as IT and some engineering etc.

        It will take requests from employers and industry groups to get those changes in place.

        Best if you try lobbying on political and oganisational front, as well as make things pulbic here.

        It's early days yet, I hope it gets sorted out over time.

        Regards


        Dear Jamie,



        I agree with you on NZIS making wrong decisions and sometimes persons
        faking their documents. Document verification agreed is a very tough and
        time consuming process with the result that even if you faked it no
        action could be taken as India does not recognize NZ Immigration
        Process. The ultimate penalty imposed is "NO ENTRY". But forget this,
        say if the work experience is based on your International Certifications
        then one should think about the positive side also. If you are not able
        to put India on the list, no problem, but you should provide options
        too. Like, if you have some International Expsoure etc..



        Take for example my case, I belong to India but work in Dubai. Now dubai
        too is not on the list.Though technically I possess every International
        Certification which are recognized world wide, I cannot apply because I
        belong to India and India is a country of Corrupts (Worried about NZ ill
        mentality here)





        So NZIS should think the other aspect also that crossing countries never
        change mentalities, so if 10000 Indians are working in NZ, they would
        make 10000000 corrupt NZs too. So in place of debaring everybody, they
        should think logically and if they cant, they should create a separate
        category in which they should invite people with MIND instead of
        applying their mind which is leading them nowhere.



        Regards





        skbn136app


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          Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


          Originally posted by Amir
          I just saw the New rules for the EOI...it seems now that Indian and
          Chineas will not be getting any exp points for the work done in their
          own countries. Very strange!!!!!
          If you have an offer of skilled employment work exp points will count
          from any country so it's not neccessarily the end of the road. The
          comparable labour market test only occurs if you do not have a skilled
          job offer....getting a job is another matter though, you'd more than
          likely need to get over there as a visitor first to find work.


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            Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.

            More important, we have migrant engineers who have never studied earthquake
            design!
            We've had migrant civil engineers in NZ who were degree qualified in camouflage and bunker building. There are no jobs in those fields in NZ, so of course there is no major reason to let them in, if they can't find work and skills are too narrow.

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            • #7
              Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


              Oh sorry, i thought earthquakes were an act of a God, rather than man
              made design.......

              :-)



              Originally posted by Neil Raines
              More important, we have migrant engineers who have never studied earthquake
              design!

              We've had migrant civil engineers in NZ who were degree qualified in
              camouflage and bunker building. There are no jobs in those fields in NZ,
              so of course there is no major reason to let them in, if they can't find
              work and skills are too narrow.

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                Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


                Oh sorry, i thought earthquakes were an act of sombody's god, rahte than
                man made design Originally posted by Neil Raines
                More important, we have migrant engineers who have never studied earthquake
                design!

                We've had migrant civil engineers in NZ who were degree qualified in
                camouflage and bunker building. There are no jobs in those fields in NZ,
                so of course there is no major reason to let them in, if they can't find
                work and skills are too narrow.

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                • #9
                  Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.

                  In New Zealand there is a word : "Fit in well". So eventhough you know every
                  aspect in IT, but the employer see you as not Kiwi even Maori or Pasicif
                  Islands, hard to get a job, especially if your face like asians (chinese ,
                  korean, japanese). So, you have those face, just say : you are thais ,or
                  philipines. NZ hates asians especially chinese and koreans.




                  skbn136app <[email protected]_expats.com> wrote in message
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                  Originally posted by Amir
                  I just saw the New rules for the EOI...it seems now that Indian and Chineas will not be getting any exp points for the work done in their own countries. Very strange!!!!!
                  Dear Amir, Seems NZ is worried and envy the technicals skills that Indians and Chinese have. NZIS should better think of drafting a strategy that enables their native citizens to compete with the Super Powers of IT rather than restricting them by work experience points. Seems now they have resorted to cheap tactics. Poor NewZealanders. Regards skbn136app -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com

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                    Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


                    Originally posted by Web Master
                    In New Zealand there is a word : "Fit in well". So eventhough you know every
                    aspect in IT, but the employer see you as not Kiwi even Maori or Pasicif
                    Islands, hard to get a job, especially if your face like asians (chinese ,
                    korean, japanese). So, you have those face, just say : you are thais ,or
                    philipines. NZ hates asians especially chinese and koreans.




                    skbn136app <[email protected]_expats.com> wrote in message
                    news:[email protected]"]news:1128461.1071922- [email protected][/url]...
                    Originally posted by Amir
                    I just saw the New rules for the EOI...it seems now that Indian and
                    Chineas will not be getting any exp points for the work done in their
                    own countries. Very strange!!!!!
                    Dear Amir,
                    Seems NZ is worried and envy the technicals skills that Indians and
                    Chinese have. NZIS should better think of drafting a strategy that
                    enables their native citizens to compete with the Super Powers of IT
                    rather than restricting them by work experience points. Seems now they
                    have resorted to cheap tactics. Poor NewZealanders.
                    Regards
                    skbn136app
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                    Dear Web Master,



                    It is the NZ government who is not believing on his people whom they
                    think are poor and illiterate people, therefore, they are hiring persons
                    who have skill. When you dont have the guts to manage your Country, you
                    should allow other to rule you, otherwse you have a real chance to go to
                    a waste dump.



                    Good Day.





                    skbn136app


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                      Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.

                      Rubbish. I know an american caucasian who has been trying for 6 months
                      without success. There are few jobs, and huge penalties for hiring the wrong
                      person.
                      In New Zealand there is a word : "Fit in well". So eventhough you know
                      every
                      aspect in IT, but the employer see you as not Kiwi even Maori or Pasicif Islands, hard to get a job, especially if your face like asians (chinese , korean, japanese). So, you have those face, just say : you are thais ,or philipines. NZ hates asians especially chinese and koreans.

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                        Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


                        I state categorically that NZ is not a racist country - Some
                        individuals are - as in all countries - but this policy is not about
                        race or whether soeone is Asian or whatever race.



                        The issue being addressed here is "employability" -



                        Can you get a job (and bring an economic benefit to yourself and
                        the country)



                        Under the old "work visa deferall policy" - or "job search" visa -
                        many people who did not have English as a first language struggled to
                        find employment due to being unable to communicate with the NZ
                        businesses clients - (low ielts score = poor prospects of any
                        employer wanting to take you on!) These people were of no benefit to
                        the country and were worse off unemployed in Nz than they would have
                        been in their home country.



                        I agree that the new EOI policy will need some tinkering and fine tuning
                        as time goes on - but dont all new policies.



                        Australia goes about it a different way - but gets the same net result -
                        Skilled migration programme brings in employable skilled migrants...
                        That is the whole point of having these programmes.



                        All countries (including Britain) have migration policies that are
                        designed to keep people out - first and foremost - the secondary thought
                        is what exceptions will be made on what basis.


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                          Expression of interest rules by NZIS are Shocking.


                          Yes, the door is not closed on any country.



                          The idea is, from some countries, you now have to be cream of the crop
                          to get in.



                          The concept is that some countries standards of education and expereince
                          are not quite on par with NZ. A very high acheiver in some countries (by
                          their local standards ) is expected to be only above average in NZ,
                          mainly because some work experiences are not comparable.



                          Of course this means that some comparable skills are not considered, and
                          this is a mistake eg java, ICT etc.



                          Time will sort this out, I expect that some occupations will later be
                          deemed to be comparable, even if the country as a whole is not.



                          Merry Christmas



                          Originally posted by rgregan
                          I state categorically that NZ is not a racist country - Some individuals are - as in all countries - but this policy is not about race or whether soeone is Asian or whatever race.

                          The issue being addressed here is "employability" -

                          Can you get a job (and bring an economic benefit to yourself and the country)

                          Under the old "work visa deferall policy" - or "job search" visa - many people who did not have English as a first language struggled to find employment due to being unable to communicate with the NZ businesses clients - (low ielts score = poor prospects of any employer wanting to take you on!) These people were of no benefit to the country and were worse off unemployed in Nz than they would have been in their home country.

                          I agree that the new EOI policy will need some tinkering and fine tuning as time goes on - but dont all new policies.

                          Australia goes about it a different way - but gets the same net result - Skilled migration programme brings in employable skilled migrants... That is the whole point of having these programmes.
                          All countries (including Britain) have migration policies that are
                          designed to keep people out - first and foremost - the secondary thought
                          is what exceptions will be made on what basis.


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