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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by cbg View Post
    It never fails to amaze me. The absolute arrogance. "I'm so good, my skills are so much better than everyone else's, everyone should be falling overboard to hire me, and if they aren't, it HAS to be that my former employers have blacklisted me. All the other employers are so afraid of my former employer that they will do exactly as they say. My former employer, for reasons best known to themselves, have decided that I should not be hired and there is not a single employer who will go against them. There is no possible other reason why I should not be everyone's first choice of hire. It can't possibly be that I interview poorly. It can't possibly be that there are other people with equal or better skills. It can't even be that the arrogance I've shown on this board comes through in the interview and turns employers off. It HAS to be a blacklist. There is no other possible explanation."

    Is that what you're telling us?
    No. In fact, I interview extremely well because I've had so much practice over the past two years.

    I'm saying things like, on one occassion, I went to an interview but instead of an interview, I was walked out the front door immediately and without explaination. They wouldn't even call me a cab to the airport, let alone pay for it. It was clear they had gotten some false information from somewhere. They treated me like a convicted sex offender. Strangely, the recruiter had told me beforehand that the job was as good as mine, all I had to do was show up for the interview. So, I guess the director I was supposed to interview with called down to HR to put together an offer for me prior to the interview, and they either contacted the previous employer, or heard something horrible from somewhere.

    I also said that I went on an interview recently and the director of engineering made me a job offer before I left the building, telling me it was hard to find someone like me. However, the HR people did not send me the written offer, did not even contact me, and then gave me a bogus excuse about deciding not to fill the position when I called and asked where the offer was.

    I've had numerous other situations equally unnerving.

    BTW, I like the idea mentioned earlier about getting a private investigator. I might do that, but first I might ask the HR department where I'm currently working as a temp employee to possibly do a background check on me. Note, I previously had an HR person contact the previously employer for employment verification, but when asked to fax a request, my HR person, actually a friend's HR person, failed to follow up. Today, I'm going to get an agency who specializes in that kind of work to check up on the previous employer. I know of such an agency.

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  • cbg
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    It never fails to amaze me. The absolute arrogance. "I'm so good, my skills are so much better than everyone else's, everyone should be falling overboard to hire me, and if they aren't, it HAS to be that my former employers have blacklisted me. All the other employers are so afraid of my former employer that they will do exactly as they say. My former employer, for reasons best known to themselves, have decided that I should not be hired and there is not a single employer who will go against them. There is no possible other reason why I should not be everyone's first choice of hire. It can't possibly be that I interview poorly. It can't possibly be that there are other people with equal or better skills. It can't even be that the arrogance I've shown on this board comes through in the interview and turns employers off. It HAS to be a blacklist. There is no other possible explanation."

    Is that what you're telling us?

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  • drruthless
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    Das ist in der Doktor!

    I have a better idea.. go to the nearest wall you can find and beat your head against it! You will feel SOOoo much better when you stop. Except for the price of a few band aids you will come out the better for it! and after reading your post, you shot yourself in the foot, reloaded and then went back for more! and your surprised no one will hire you?? I was in similar shoes I was lied to, shorted hours and set up to fail. I went to HR, guess who they sided with. I tried to take on the nations largest provider of medical diagnostic services and could not find an attorney willing to take them on unless I could crap $100 dollar bills at will. In short.. they don‘t have to have a reason, EOE means NOTHING! They are required by law to print that lie! 28 years experience?? let me go out on a limb, but have you given any thought to starting your own business?
    …Der Doktor ist heraus!
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    does morality describe the movement of morons?

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  • Alice Dodd
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    You need to find someone - a friend in an HR department, or a PI or something, who can do a full background check on you, including calling former employers. If they're posing as a potential employer and are believeable, they will probably discover what is holding you back. The fact that you were walked to the door after being hired is telling.

    Have the person run a credit check, a criminal background check, and reference check. See what comes up - it could be that company, it could be that someone with your name was recently convicted for pedophilia, or you could be a victim of identity theft. You need to get to the bottom of this.

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  • Betty3
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    I'm sorry to hear you're living in your car but it still doesn't mean the reason you aren't being hired is due to being on any black list.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by cbg View Post
    NO employer EVER tells an applicant why they were not hired. The fact that they aren't giving you the reason does not mean that anyone's hiding any blacklist from you - it means that the HR people are following standard practice.
    The fact that I was sleeping in my car for the first time in my life tells me that I am blacklisted.

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  • cbg
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    NO employer EVER tells an applicant why they were not hired. The fact that they aren't giving you the reason does not mean that anyone's hiding any blacklist from you - it means that the HR people are following standard practice.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by ElleMD View Post
    There is no secret handshake. Who has the time to dedicate to something like that? Even if I couldn't wait for an employee to walk out the door, why should I care if year's later he is trying to get a job elsewhere? Frankly, chances are good that whomever is doing the employment verification has never met you or doesn't remember you years later.

    What have you done to keep your skills current? That is one concern I typically do have when someone has been off FT employment for any length of time.

    No HR person on teh job more than 2 days will give a detailed reason for not hiring someone. It hardly means that there is some sinister plot going on. It just means that no matter what you tell the candidate they either aren't going to agree, not believe you, or get upset by it. Sort of like breaking up with someone. There just isn't any explanation you can give that will leave them satisfied and in agreement.

    Have you talked to the headhunters? They should be able to give you some sort of feedback.
    My skills are current enough, however, most employers want me for knowing how to work on older legacy systems which the younger people don't know anything about, and don't want to know anything about. And, yes, I have a 2 year gap in my employment. I don't hide it. Who cares? I'm going to start saying I just took a sabatical. Of course when asked on a job application about how the previous employment ended, I always indicate a termination.

    And headhunters often don't even call me to say I didn't a job. Which makes me think they heard something terrible, and maybe they did. But they never tell me. But, one recruiter gave me a bogus reason as to why I didn't get a job in that I spent too much time talking about my website, even though the manager spent a full hour on the phone with me and said I was very talented. The only thing on my website is my curriculum vitae. Otherwise recruiters just say I wasn't right for the job.

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  • ElleMD
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    There is no secret handshake. Who has the time to dedicate to something like that? Even if I couldn't wait for an employee to walk out the door, why should I care if year's later he is trying to get a job elsewhere? Frankly, chances are good that whomever is doing the employment verification has never met you or doesn't remember you years later.

    What have you done to keep your skills current? That is one concern I typically do have when someone has been off FT employment for any length of time.

    No HR person on teh job more than 2 days will give a detailed reason for not hiring someone. It hardly means that there is some sinister plot going on. It just means that no matter what you tell the candidate they either aren't going to agree, not believe you, or get upset by it. Sort of like breaking up with someone. There just isn't any explanation you can give that will leave them satisfied and in agreement.

    Have you talked to the headhunters? They should be able to give you some sort of feedback.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by cbg View Post
    For the record; I have been in HR for coming up on 30 years. I have read more resumes than I can count. I have yet to have the former employer of any of these applicants tell me not to hire anyone; nor would I have any reason to obey them if they did.
    I like to think it's like that everywhere. I'd also like to have an HR person, just once, to tell me why I wasn't hired at places where I should have been hired. The fact that they don't tell me why I wasn't hired, or they give me a bogus reason tells me that they have something they don't want known. If I knew the exact reason that I wasn't being hired, I could address the problem head on.

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  • cbg
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    For the record; I have been in HR for coming up on 30 years. I have read more resumes than I can count. I have yet to have the former employer of any of these applicants tell me not to hire anyone; nor would I have any reason to obey them if they did.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by ElleMD View Post
    What makes you so sure that it is your employer who is blocking you from getting employed? There are plenty of people out there, particularly in your industry, who are finding it difficult to find work.

    I'd recommend a headhunter or job placement agency. If it is something that you are doing, they can assist with that. Even if there is an unfavorable review in your past, they can help smooth that over.

    Being fired or even filing with the EEOC isn't the end of the world. People do it everyday and remain gainfully employed. It would be extremely unusual for multiple employers to violate the law in exactly the same way. I'm not sure what information you think all Recruiters and HR people have access to that the rest of the world doesn't.

    Recruiters are used to employees who have been fired or left under dubious circumstances. Those who are loved and appreciated by all at work, generally aren't out there looking for jobs. What recruiters don't like are surprises. If you are saying you left on your own terms and the employer indicates you quit, or you paint a rosy picture of your tenure there and that isn't the story they get checking references, it makes the candidate appear dishonest or clueless. The other extreme is true as well. If you bad mouth a former employer or make a bunch of accusations, it tends to be off-putting. Unless you die in your office at some point that employer is going to be your former employer and what are you going to say about them? I have no idea if you are doing these things but they are good to keep in mind and it is something to think about and be aware of as you apply for positions.
    I don't have a problem with recruiters and placement agencies. They work great for me. And they find me jobs all the time. It's just that I never get hired, even when I know that the manager intends to hire me. I get emails and phone calls all the time.

    I never badmouth the former employer. If it comes up at all, I usually say that something didn't go right, and it was out of my control.

    I don't really think that my former employer is actively having me blacklisted, I just know that I became homeless and destitute after being terminated by the company. They could however be passively blacklisting me. The HR people probably have a secret handshake between them for knowing who not to hire. I'm sure there's secret info passed among them. But, I've searched the internet repeatedly to see if anything bad comes up on me, and it doesn't, nothing that I can find.

    And, my job is not affected by the economy. It's aerospace and defense, and 99% of the money comes directly from the government, and defense spending is way up these days. Also, for 25 years I had no problem finding a job. I have good references, and a perfect track record with the projects I've worked on. I've even checked on my references to see what people were saying about me.

    No HR person or manager will ever tell me why I was rejected, unless they make up some excuse, which I always know is bogus.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by Betty3 View Post
    Did you have a specific question or did you just want to vent?

    I guess my question is: Is there something I could be doing to solve the problem that I haven't already been doing? I've tried to find a lawyer, but to no avail.

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  • ElleMD
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    What makes you so sure that it is your employer who is blocking you from getting employed? There are plenty of people out there, particularly in your industry, who are finding it difficult to find work.

    I'd recommend a headhunter or job placement agency. If it is something that you are doing, they can assist with that. Even if there is an unfavorable review in your past, they can help smooth that over.

    Being fired or even filing with the EEOC isn't the end of the world. People do it everyday and remain gainfully employed. It would be extremely unusual for multiple employers to violate the law in exactly the same way. I'm not sure what information you think all Recruiters and HR people have access to that the rest of the world doesn't.

    Recruiters are used to employees who have been fired or left under dubious circumstances. Those who are loved and appreciated by all at work, generally aren't out there looking for jobs. What recruiters don't like are surprises. If you are saying you left on your own terms and the employer indicates you were fired, or you paint a rosy picture of your tenure there and that isn't the story they get checking references, it makes the candidate appear dishonest or clueless. The other extreme is true as well. If you bad mouth a former employer or make a bunch of accusations, it tends to be off-putting. Unless you die in your office at some point that employer is going to be your former employer and what are you going to say about them? I have no idea if you are doing these things but they are good to keep in mind and it is something to think about and be aware of as you apply for positions.
    Last edited by ElleMD; 02-06-2009, 12:39 PM.

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  • Betty3
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    Did you have a specific question or did you just want to vent?

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