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  • cbg
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    Doc - FYI.

    I have never lied to you. I've told you things you didn't like, including bursting the myth about employment dates. But I've never lied to you.

    THERE IS NO HR BLACKLIST.

    I'm not saying I know why our poster here is not getting hired. It could be for any number of reasons, including negative references. But I can tell you categorically that it is not because his name is on some secret HR blacklist, because no such thing exists.

    I can't prove a negative. No one can. I can't prove the non-existance of such a thing. But no one here, including the OP, has proven its existance either, except in his own mind, and I'd appreciate your not promoting the possibility that there is one.

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  • drruthless
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    Das ist in der Doktor!

    Remember that wall I mentioned?.. when your ready to stop hitting your head against it, I suggest you do as I recommended, start your own business.
    You stand a better chance of finding a Wall Street hooker than finding anyone to even remotely admit that you might be right. Can you even begin to imagine the consequences if they did? NO ONE but NO ONE is going to put their head on the chopping block for you and admit that there MIGHT be some truth to what you say. It was in this forum I was told that it was a myth that all a former employer when asked by a perspective employer can say is, yes you worked there and nothing more. They can say ANYTHING they want to. How are you to prove otherwise?
    During the McCarthy witch hunt of the late 40’s and early 50’s how many movie studios stepped up and said why yes, we would not hire that person because we heard they were a communist? Perhaps some did, I understand there really WAS a BLACKLIST. After all, EOE was yet to be a gleam in daddy’s eye. Unless you have the money for a PI and think you can lure Johnny Cochran out of retirement it’s time to move on……..Der Doktor ist heraus!
    _______________________
    I know just enough to be stupid
    May you always face south with a gentle warm rain of thine own making falling down upon thy face.
    an old Irish ‘blessing’

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  • Eng&SafetyMGR
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    I hire engineers all the time. THERE IS NO BLACKLIST. End of story

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  • cbg
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    And my filters tell me that it doesn't matter what we tell you; you're going to remain convinced that you're being blacklisted regardless of anything. So while it's certainly up to everyone else how they want to approach it, I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince you of what you're not going to believe.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by Morgana View Post
    As I mentioned, it would not be ethical for an HR dept to do a background check on someone just because you want to know. So, no, I would not even consider doing that. Sorry.
    I did tell you how you could go to your local PD or sheriff's office and get your own for a small fee.

    I agree with Lee that having someone give you a business card at one point and then not getting thru his admin is not unusual. Lots of people give out cards and either dont really mean when they say call me or they never tell the admin you should be put thru and she is just telling you the standard way of finding employment.

    We all look at life thru filters based on our experiences and interactions with others. Right now, your filter says that you have been blackballed and with that thought in mind, everything you see can possibly be interpreted as being due to some 'secret info." When you see things thru that filter, you dont look for other possible explanations which are every bit as logical as the ones you came up with.

    You've had a number of people here tell you that it is virtually impossible for you to be blackballed based on what you have described. You need to step back and look at what else might be causing your experiences. They may be totally unrelated and not some conspiracy as you seem to think.
    My filters tell me that after 24 months and 50 interviews, I was sleeping in my car. Before I worked at that previous company I usually had job offers about 50% of the times I interviewed.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by Lee926 View Post
    Why don't you run a background on yourself?

    In regards to the CEO giving you a business card during an interview and his secretary referred you somewhere else that really means nothing.

    There are many times that business cards are given out during interviews and the interviewer has not intention on hiring that person.

    Believe it or not there may be other candidates out there with similar if not more experience. Candidates are not chosen only on qualifications, attitude, enviornmental and corporate fit also play a big part.
    Actually, the secretary told me not to call there anymore.

    I ran a background on myself, and it came out clean. However, the previous employer has yet to be contacted. I've already placed an order to have that done through Allison and Taylor.

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  • Morgana
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    As I mentioned, it would not be ethical for an HR dept to do a background check on someone just because you want to know. So, no, I would not even consider doing that. Sorry.
    I did tell you how you could go to your local PD or sheriff's office and get your own for a small fee.

    I agree with Lee that having someone give you a business card at one point and then not getting thru his admin is not unusual. Lots of people give out cards and either dont really mean when they say call me or they never tell the admin you should be put thru and she is just telling you the standard way of finding employment.

    We all look at life thru filters based on our experiences and interactions with others. Right now, your filter says that you have been blackballed and with that thought in mind, everything you see can possibly be interpreted as being due to some 'secret info." When you see things thru that filter, you dont look for other possible explanations which are every bit as logical as the ones you came up with.

    You've had a number of people here tell you that it is virtually impossible for you to be blackballed based on what you have described. You need to step back and look at what else might be causing your experiences. They may be totally unrelated and not some conspiracy as you seem to think.

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  • Lee926
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    Why don't you run a background on yourself?

    In regards to the CEO giving you a business card during an interview and his secretary referred you somewhere else that really means nothing.

    There are many times that business cards are given out during interviews and the interviewer has not intention on hiring that person.

    Believe it or not there may be other candidates out there with similar if not more experience. Candidates are not chosen only on qualifications, attitude, enviornmental and corporate fit also play a big part.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by Morgana View Post
    I'm also sorry you have had trouble finding a job.

    The fact is, there is no repository of information that HR people go to to get secret info on prosepctive employees. If there were, we wouldnt get stuck with so many duds!

    I have no way of knowing where my former employees are going and in fact, if we terminate someone, I'm thrilled they find a job elsewhere. It means they arent going to be a pain for us and we may avoid unemployment. Frankly, none of the checks we do for prospective employees includes a check of whether EEO complaints have been filed.

    There doesnt have to be anything "wrong" with an applicant that results in them not being hired. Sometimes its just a matter of someone being a better fit for the requirements of the position.

    I am currently trying to decide between 2 candidates for a temp position. For the life of me, they are both what I need, they are both personable and professional and they both have the skills I need. One will not get the job, not because there is anything wrong with her but just because someone was a smidge better than her.

    If you cant get an attorney to take your case, maybe thats a sign to you tha you dont have enough of a case to pursue.
    Maybe you can do a background check on me and see what you find. Something big is coming up, but I can't imagine what it is. A company CEO once gave me his business card during an interview and said I could call him, but when I did the secretary wouldn't put me through and said I should call the recruiting agency.

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  • Beth3
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    Originally posted by elrobotoloco View Post
    Read what the line says that you quoted. The fact is that technical managers want to hire me, HR managers won't allow it.
    Because the technical managers are focusing soley on your technical abilities. The HR Managers are focusing on the whole picture. Maybe your references are poor; maybe you're coming across as a jerk in the interviews who is going to have problems getting along with others in the workplace; maybe you've changed jobs too often. Whatever the reason is, it is NOT because of some secret website that HR has access to where people are blacklisted.

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  • Morgana
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    I'll also comment on the recruiter. For the recruiter to say "the job is yours" before the interview is not only unprofessional but dumb. Its not fair to the employer or the prospective employee.
    After you were 'escorted out the door" what did your recruiter say?
    I'd be asking him/her for some explanations.

    No one I know does background checks until you get to final candidates. Having an EEO claim does not show up on any kind of background check..neither criminal nor credit.

    You can go to your local police dept/ sheriffs office and for about $20 get a copy of your police report. That way you'll know whats on there. Far cheaper than asking a PI or even asking your HR dept. to do it.

    If one of my current employees asked me to run a background check for them, I would not. I run them for applicants and that is the only reason I run them.
    I had a friend ask me to run a background check on his son since the son was having trouble getting a job. Although the son applied with us, he was not the top candidate . So we didnt go a screen for him as a prospective employee and I sure wouldnt violate my professional ethics but running one for the father.

    I think you need to be looking at something other than this EEO claim as why you arent being hire. Thousands of people file EEO claims each year and that doesnt keep them from being hire elsewhere.

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  • ElleMD
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    It is almost unheard of to do any sort of background check before an interview. Background checks are expensive and time consuming and no company wants to go through the time and expense if they aren't the least bit interested.

    I have no idea why the company declined to interview you with no explanation but I'd be shocked if it had anything to do with you. I'd sure be asking questions of the headhunter though. It is their job to follow up on those things.

    Oftentimes, positions just aren't filled or are filled with someone with skills other than the company initially sought. It doesn't mean you are a bad candidate but it may mean that the company opted to reassign certain duties internally and hire someone who filled the gaps or determined that they don't really need a senior level manager to handle the job, that it can be accomplished some other way.

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  • Morgana
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    I'm also sorry you have had trouble finding a job.

    The fact is, there is no repository of information that HR people go to to get secret info on prosepctive employees. If there were, we wouldnt get stuck with so many duds!

    I have no way of knowing where my former employees are going and in fact, if we terminate someone, I'm thrilled they find a job elsewhere. It means they arent going to be a pain for us and we may avoid unemployment. Frankly, none of the checks we do for prospective employees includes a check of whether EEO complaints have been filed.

    There doesnt have to be anything "wrong" with an applicant that results in them not being hired. Sometimes its just a matter of someone being a better fit for the requirements of the position.

    I am currently trying to decide between 2 candidates for a temp position. For the life of me, they are both what I need, they are both personable and professional and they both have the skills I need. One will not get the job, not because there is anything wrong with her but just because someone was a smidge better than her.

    If you cant get an attorney to take your case, maybe thats a sign to you tha you dont have enough of a case to pursue.

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  • elrobotoloco
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    Originally posted by Beth3 View Post
    I'm certain there is some information available to HR people, which they should not have access to, which prevents me from ever being hired.

    Yes, we all have access to a secret website where employers post "do not hire" information about people that we all follow blindly.

    That is absolutely ridiculous and totally absurd. Whatever the reason is that you can't get a job, that's not it.
    Read what the line says that you quoted. The fact is that technical managers want to hire me, HR managers won't allow it.

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  • Beth3
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    I'm certain there is some information available to HR people, which they should not have access to, which prevents me from ever being hired.

    Yes, we all have access to a secret website where employers post "do not hire" information about people that we all follow blindly.

    That is absolutely ridiculous and totally absurd. Whatever the reason is that you can't get a job, that's not it.

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