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    In 2003 it cost North Carolina taxpayers over $21,000 for each inmate in our penal
    system (you were also paying $25,000 a year for federal prisoners
    FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE
    By: Luke McIntyre

    http://www.carolinianonline.com/medi...nianonline.com

    I hope that everyone enjoyed Hispanic Heritage month, September 15th through October
    15th. Personally, I was not aware of it until I saw a large sign in the Greensboro
    Public Library. It probably would have slipped past my radar - every month is
    something or other nowadays - but just then a recorded message announced that a Harry
    Potter themed band was signing autographs in the lobby. Odd enough by itself, the
    message then played again in Spanish. While checking out I asked a librarian if that
    was a way they were celebrating the month. She said it wasn't.

    Apparently they have had problems with people who can't speak English coming to the
    library and not understanding the announcements, not understanding that the library
    was closing, things like that. This irked me. I understand most businesses catering
    to Spanish-speaking customers, they have a profit motive. Municipal services have
    quite the opposite, a budget allotted to them from taxpayer money. Acknowledging that
    up until recently North Carolina had the fastest growing Hispanic population in
    America, 92% of North Carolinians speak English in their home, including 89% of
    people in Greensboro. One would think that somewhere in the library is a Spanish to
    English dictionary.

    It was with this observation fresh in my mind that I watched Senator Ted Kennedy open
    a subcommittee on immigration with the comment that it was absurd to suggest we
    deport the estimated 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in America right now. In
    addition to the high cost of such a venture, Kennedy asserted that our economy
    couldn't withstand the removal of these workers. It seems he assumes that once an
    illegal alien finds employment in America that they have somehow earned the right to
    stay. This ridiculous argument would just as easily let a drug dealer run free
    because he has a day job. "Oh no, wherever will McDonald's find a new assistant
    manager?"

    Kennedy was playing off of the annoying logic that since illegal aliens mostly take
    jobs Americans don't want, they aren't hurting our economy. Our president even buys
    into it, pushing for a temporary worker plan that encourages people from other
    countries not only to come work in America but to stay for as long as six years
    without considering citizenship. Bush says it will "provide for our economy's labor
    needs without harming American workers." He wants to bring the American dream to the
    masses, but one thing he fails to realize is that for every tax dollar that goes to
    illegal immigrants, who aren't supposed to be here in the first place, the American
    dream gets a little dimmer and farther away for the average working American.

    We're a nation of immigrants, I realize that. As a prosperous country we have the
    ability and responsibility to help as many people as we can. I agree with our
    president that we can afford more than 140,000 Green Cards a year. We can do more,
    but not at the expense of the American worker. I get off the Bush train when he says
    bringing in foreign workers to take American jobs will help our dragging economy.
    Outsourcing our jobs isn't bad enough; we have to insource them as well?

    I have an idea that will solve two of our country's long-standing problems. In 2003
    it cost North Carolina taxpayers over $21,000 for each inmate in our penal system
    (you were also paying $25,000 a year for federal prisoners). That is, we are footing
    the bill so that criminals can sit in a room and think about what they've done. It's
    enough to make one wonder who is being punished here.

    The average North Carolina prisoner, working minimum wage, would have to labor a
    little over eleven hours a day to pay us back for the expense of their incarceration.
    Who knows, we might even save a bit on prison costs from not having to run the air
    conditioning or cable TV while the guys are at work.

    Now of course I'm not suggesting we put prisoners to work for eleven hours a day.
    Eight would suffice, and we don't really have to pay them minimum wage. Give them the
    jobs that illegal immigrants are doing now, and make the prisoners do it for cheaper.
    The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution allows for prisoners who have been duly
    convicted of a crime to be sentenced to involuntary labor. Our prisoners will provide
    a better and cheaper work force, because they have no choice. The temporary worker
    program will be put out of business and American taxpayers won't have to pay for
    criminals to be punished. Who knows, it might give a little meaning to the phrase
    "pay your debt to society."

    For more information and statistics, log on to the following websites:
    www.ncruralcenter.org
    www.census.gov
    www.doc.state.nc.us

    You can check out Luke's blog at www.livejournal.com/~luke_mcintyre


    --
    __________________________________________________ ___

    I intend to last long enough to put out of business all ****-******s
    and other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or drive
    Humvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, or
    high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
    does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
    undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
    sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
    helps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, it
    reminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~
    __________________________________________________ _
    --



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    PRISONERS BEHAVE THEMSELVES WHEN EXECUTED ==> In 2003 it cost North

    On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:11:51 -0800, "_ G O D _" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    BlankIn 2003 it cost North Carolina taxpayers over $21,000 for each inmate in our penalsystem (you were also paying $25,000 a year for federal prisonersFAILURE TO COMMUNICATEBy: Luke McIntyrehttp://www.carolinianonline.com/medi...nianonline.comI hope that everyone enjoyed Hispanic Heritage month, September 15th through October15th. Personally, I was not aware of it until I saw a large sign in the GreensboroPublic Library. It probably would have slipped past my radar - every month issomething or other nowadays - but just then a recorded message announced that a HarryPotter themed band was signing autographs in the lobby. Odd enough by itself, themessage then played again in Spanish. While checking out I asked a librarian if thatwas a way they were celebrating the month. She said it wasn't.Apparently they have had problems with people who can't speak English coming to thelibrary and not understanding the announcements, not understanding that the librarywas closing, things like that. This irked me. I understand most businesses cateringto Spanish-speaking customers, they have a profit motive. Municipal services havequite the opposite, a budget allotted to them from taxpayer money. Acknowledging thatup until recently North Carolina had the fastest growing Hispanic population inAmerica, 92% of North Carolinians speak English in their home, including 89% ofpeople in Greensboro. One would think that somewhere in the library is a Spanish toEnglish dictionary.It was with this observation fresh in my mind that I watched Senator Ted Kennedy opena subcommittee on immigration with the comment that it was absurd to suggest wedeport the estimated 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants in America right now. Inaddition to the high cost of such a venture, Kennedy asserted that our economycouldn't withstand the removal of these workers. It seems he assumes that once anillegal alien finds employment in America that they have somehow earned the right tostay. This ridiculous argument would just as easily let a drug dealer run freebecause he has a day job. "Oh no, wherever will McDonald's find a new assistantmanager?"Kennedy was playing off of the annoying logic that since illegal aliens mostly takejobs Americans don't want, they aren't hurting our economy. Our president even buysinto it, pushing for a temporary worker plan that encourages people from othercountries not only to come work in America but to stay for as long as six yearswithout considering citizenship. Bush says it will "provide for our economy's laborneeds without harming American workers." He wants to bring the American dream to themasses, but one thing he fails to realize is that for every tax dollar that goes toillegal immigrants, who aren't supposed to be here in the first place, the Americandream gets a little dimmer and farther away for the average working American.We're a nation of immigrants, I realize that. As a prosperous country we have theability and responsibility to help as many people as we can. I agree with ourpresident that we can afford more than 140,000 Green Cards a year. We can do more,but not at the expense of the American worker. I get off the Bush train when he saysbringing in foreign workers to take American jobs will help our dragging economy.Outsourcing our jobs isn't bad enough; we have to insource them as well?I have an idea that will solve two of our country's long-standing problems. In 2003it cost North Carolina taxpayers over $21,000 for each inmate in our penal system(you were also paying $25,000 a year for federal prisoners). That is, we are footingthe bill so that criminals can sit in a room and think about what they've done. It'senough to make one wonder who is being punished here.The average North Carolina prisoner, working minimum wage, would have to labor alittle over eleven hours a day to pay us back for the expense of their incarceration.Who knows, we might even save a bit on prison costs from not having to run the airconditioning or cable TV while the guys are at work.Now of course I'm not suggesting we put prisoners to work for eleven hours a day.Eight would suffice, and we don't really have to pay them minimum wage. Give them thejobs that illegal immigrants are doing now, and make the prisoners do it for cheaper.The Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution allows for prisoners who have been dulyconvicted of a crime to be sentenced to involuntary labor. Our prisoners will providea better and cheaper work force, because they have no choice. The temporary workerprogram will be put out of business and American taxpayers won't have to pay forcriminals to be punished. Who knows, it might give a little meaning to the phrase"pay your debt to society."For more information and statistics, log on to the following websites:www.ncruralcenter.orgwww.census.govwww.doc.state.nc.usYou can check out Luke's blog at www.livejournal.com/~luke_mcintyre--__________________________________________________ ___I intend to last long enough to put out of business all ****-******sand other beneficiaries of the institutionalized slavery and genocide.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"The army that will defeat terrorism doesn't wear uniforms, or driveHumvees, or calls in air-strikes. It doesn't have a high command, orhigh security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorismdoes battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. Itundermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subvertssweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, ithelps them organize for change, and where people are powerful, itreminds them of their responsibility." ~~~~ Author Unknown ~~~~______________________________________________ _____

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      In Charlotte, a lot of the lawn services use undocumented Latino men to do the lawn maintenance. Personally, I don't want a convicted felon mowing my grass. I would much rather have an otherwise honest, hard working, God fearing (the real God, not the imposter posting here), family oriented displaced Mexican mowing my grass.

      And many of those undocumented Latino immigrants are building the McMansions that you Republicans are buying in the affluent white neighborhoods of NC. Their labor makes them affordable for you. Not sure we want convicted felons building houses in those neighborhoods, either. Of course, the houses would cost more without the undocumented labor, and then you could pay higher local property taxes.

      We cannot solve this problem as a country because too many service industries, and manufacturing like the poultry processing plants, rely heavily on undocumented labor from Mexico and Central America to run their businesses profitably. If Americans are willing to pay a lot more for those goods and services, then the problem can be addressed. The labor market depends on those folks now and that is why President Bush and others wanted to find a way to keep them here and help them become legal.

      The vast majority of the ones I have encountered would make excellent US citizens. They are poor in financial assets and poorly educated by our standards but they are fundamentally good people who just want to work and provide for their loved ones. If they were not scared to death of getting deported they would probably try harder to assimilate. But they know that roughly 42% of native born Americans don't want them here.
      Bob Bollinger, Attorney
      Board Certified Specialist in NC Workers' Compensation Law
      Charlotte, NC

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      • #4
        Just pointing out that this thread is from 2005
        The above answer, whatever it is, assumes that no legally binding and enforceable contract or CBA says otherwise. If it does, then the terms of the contract or CBA apply.

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