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    I have been approached to sell PPL (Pre Paid Legal) out of Ida OK. I would
    like to know from a industry prospective what do you think?

    Thanks in advance



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    "Kevin" <Kevin.Eastwood@verizon.net> wrote in message
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    I have been approached to sell PPL (Pre Paid Legal) out of Ida OK. I would like to know from a industry prospective what do you think? Thanks in advance
    Kevin,

    PPL presents serious competition to those who frequent this forum. Do you
    REALLY expect to get an unbiased opinion, not that my opinion is going to be
    any less biased. I AM an independant associate. We have been in business
    only since mid-October. We have already climbed to the Manager position and
    are on track for Director by the end of December and Executive Director by
    February.

    -From their 'industry' perspective, they will tell you it is a scam - it is
    not. The profits are real. The opportunity is real. What you do with your
    investment is up to you. Ask the person sponsoring you to show you bank
    statements showing their deposits.
    -There are those who will say they have been 'burt' by this 'scam'. I would
    say, they were lazy or unwilling to work hard. They expected the money to
    come to them.
    -They will tell you it is a pyramid scheme - The SEC does not permit illegal
    companies and marketing to do business on the stock market.
    -They will trot out retention rates and persistancy rates but they ignore
    counter arguments regarding merchandise being returned to a WalMart or Sears
    being no different. Some people impulse buy and later recant. That is a
    fact of business, regardless of your industry.
    -They will likely attempt to claim that my reply to your request is spam or
    UCE. It is neither.

    In short, they will do anything and everything in their power to prevent you
    from getting accurate information so you can make an educated decision.

    The fact is, history has repeatedly shown that new ideas frequently come
    under attack by the very people and industry they seek to revolutionize.
    Those ideas who's foundations are sound, as it the idea of prepaid legal
    plans, survive the jealousy and hatred to become main stream entities with
    household name recognition.

    It is now and will be no different with this one.

    I challenge you to do your own research, listen to the weak arguments of
    those who WILL attack this message like pirrana. Then go do your own
    research.

    Ask to talk to some of the provider attorneys - the attorney firms have
    regularly scheduled open houses for this purpose. Ask them how attorney
    firms function outside the boundaries of a legal plan, ask them how they
    operate. Ask about billable hours and padding those same hours. Ask about
    the fierce competition that exists in the legal industry for those hours and
    how many clients get double or triple billed. Ask them how their practice
    under PPL differs from those who fight it out in the increasingly hostile
    waters of the legal profession.

    When you have read all the hostile posts that are sure to come and you have
    spoken with the provider attorney in your state, then you will have the
    information you need to make up your own mind.

    If it isn't for you, I wish you good fortune in your future endeavors. If
    it is, welcome. You will get a lot of support and encouragement. If you
    are teachable, listen well and are willing to try that which your mentor
    tells you, you will be successful. The level of that success will have
    direct relationship with your willingness to listen and the effort you put
    in. If you have difficulties, which everyone in business does, be honest
    with yourself... Ask, "What am I doing wrong?" If you can't figure it out,
    ask your mentors what you are doing wrong, then be willing to make a change,
    even if it is a bit uncomfortable.


    Curtis Rowell
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    Kevin wrote:
    I have been approached to sell PPL (Pre Paid Legal) out of Ida OK. I would like to know from a industry prospective what do you think? Thanks in advance

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    In article <jmqwb.37795$M31.840264@twister.tampabay.rr.com> ,
    Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> wrote:
    "Kevin" <Kevin.Eastwood@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:T5hwb.12195$yy5.9123@nwrdny01.gnilink. net...
    I have been approached to sell PPL (Pre Paid Legal) out of Ida OK. I would like to know from a industry prospective what do you think? Thanks in advance
    -From their 'industry' perspective, they will tell you it is a scam - it isnot. The profits are real.
    For somebody.
    The opportunity is real. What you do with yourinvestment is up to you. Ask the person sponsoring you to show you bankstatements showing their deposits.
    Ask them what the minimum you'll make is, and if they'll guarantee
    that in writing.
    -They will tell you it is a pyramid scheme - The SEC does not permit illegalcompanies and marketing to do business on the stock market.
    And the Wall St. Journal is full of empty pages where articles about
    such companies might have been expected to appear.
    -They will trot out retention rates and persistancy rates but they ignorecounter arguments regarding merchandise being returned to a WalMart or Searsbeing no different. Some people impulse buy and later recant. That is afact of business, regardless of your industry.
    Find out the percentage of merchandise purchased at WalMart or Sears
    that is later returned. Find out the fraction of buyers of
    PrePaidLegal who quit. Think about why someone involved in it uses
    bogus arguments.
    In short, they will do anything and everything in their power to prevent youfrom getting accurate information so you can make an educated decision.
    Somebody is encouraging you to get full information, including from
    people who dropped out of PPL.
    The fact is, history has repeatedly shown that new ideas frequently comeunder attack by the very people and industry they seek to revolutionize.Those ideas who's foundations are sound, as it the idea of prepaid legalplans, survive the jealousy and hatred to become main stream entities withhousehold name recognition.
    "They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein. They also
    laughed at Bozo the Clown." Most new ideas are bad. A few are good.
    If you could tell the difference, you wouldn't be worried about making
    money.
    I challenge you to do your own research, listen to the weak arguments ofthose who WILL attack this message like pirrana. Then go do your ownresearch.
    Then listen to the even weaker arguments of those involved.
    Ask to talk to some of the provider attorneys - the attorney firms haveregularly scheduled open houses for this purpose. Ask them how attorneyfirms function outside the boundaries of a legal plan, ask them how theyoperate.
    Why ask attorneys inside the plan how their competitors operate?
    Wouldn't that be biased information?
    Ask about billable hours and padding those same hours. Ask aboutthe fierce competition that exists in the legal industry for those hours andhow many clients get double or triple billed. Ask them how their practiceunder PPL differs from those who fight it out in the increasingly hostilewaters of the legal profession.
    Ask them how effective they can be in the small number of hours you
    get with the plan. Ask them how many lawsuits require under 17.5
    hours (or however many your get) of preparation time prior to trial.
    When you have read all the hostile posts that are sure to come and you havespoken with the provider attorney in your state, then you will have theinformation you need to make up your own mind.
    Be sure and speak with real attorneys as well, and find people who've
    used their providers and then quit the plan. If you can, find people
    in similar situations who used outside attorneys and get full
    information from both groups about how much it cost and how satisfied
    they were with the results.
    If you have difficulties, which everyone in business does, be honestwith yourself... Ask, "What am I doing wrong?" If you can't figure it out,ask your mentors what you are doing wrong, then be willing to make a change,even if it is a bit uncomfortable.
    And if you don't succeed, he wants you to take the blame, rather than
    concluding that the whole plan just isn't right.

    You'll also notice that he didn't exactly encourage you to get a full
    range of unbiased (or at least equally biased) information.

    Seth

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    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in message
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    In article <jmqwb.37795$M31.840264@twister.tampabay.rr.com> , Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> wrote:
    "Kevin" <Kevin.Eastwood@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:T5hwb.12195$yy5.9123@nwrdny01.gnilink. net...
    I have been approached to sell PPL (Pre Paid Legal) out of Ida OK. I
    would
    like to know from a industry prospective what do you think? Thanks in advance
    -From their 'industry' perspective, they will tell you it is a scam - it
    is
    not. The profits are real. For somebody.
    For anyone who actually works at it. No work, no pay...
    The opportunity is real. What you do with yourinvestment is up to you. Ask the person sponsoring you to show you bankstatements showing their deposits.
    Ask them what the minimum you'll make is, and if they'll guarantee that in writing.
    The minimum you will make is a big fat zero if you don't work. If you work,
    you make money. How much is up to you and your willingness to step out of
    your comfort zone.
    -They will tell you it is a pyramid scheme - The SEC does not permit
    illegal
    companies and marketing to do business on the stock market. And the Wall St. Journal is full of empty pages where articles about such companies might have been expected to appear.
    Money, Forbes and others like them are just as prestegious as that review...
    -They will trot out retention rates and persistancy rates but they ignorecounter arguments regarding merchandise being returned to a WalMart or
    Sears
    being no different. Some people impulse buy and later recant. That is afact of business, regardless of your industry. Find out the percentage of merchandise purchased at WalMart or Sears that is later returned. Find out the fraction of buyers of PrePaidLegal who quit. Think about why someone involved in it uses bogus arguments.
    Nothing bogus about my arguments. Your OPINION is that it is bogus, because
    you can't otherwise refute it.
    In short, they will do anything and everything in their power to prevent
    you
    from getting accurate information so you can make an educated decision. Somebody is encouraging you to get full information, including from people who dropped out of PPL.
    Yes, do... make sure you ask those drop outs to give you an honest opinion,
    if they are capable. Not the one lie they have convinced themselves is
    true.
    The fact is, history has repeatedly shown that new ideas frequently comeunder attack by the very people and industry they seek to revolutionize.Those ideas who's foundations are sound, as it the idea of prepaid legalplans, survive the jealousy and hatred to become main stream entities
    with
    household name recognition. "They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Most new ideas are bad. A few are good. If you could tell the difference, you wouldn't be worried about making money.
    Yes, many are bad ideas. Those which survive for 30 years and have made
    countless people a good living as well as aided millions with their legal
    issues would not fall under that category, no matter how much you hate the
    plan or it's marketing methods.
    I challenge you to do your own research, listen to the weak arguments ofthose who WILL attack this message like pirrana. Then go do your ownresearch. Then listen to the even weaker arguments of those involved.
    Weaker in who's opinion? You completely unbiased opinion?
    Ask to talk to some of the provider attorneys - the attorney firms haveregularly scheduled open houses for this purpose. Ask them how attorneyfirms function outside the boundaries of a legal plan, ask them how theyoperate. Why ask attorneys inside the plan how their competitors operate? Wouldn't that be biased information?
    And yours and my opinions are not biased. There are, unfortunately, no
    unbiased opinions. Unless you count the numerous articles in Money
    Magazine, Forbes, etc.
    Ask about billable hours and padding those same hours. Ask aboutthe fierce competition that exists in the legal industry for those hours
    and
    how many clients get double or triple billed. Ask them how their
    practice
    under PPL differs from those who fight it out in the increasingly hostilewaters of the legal profession. Ask them how effective they can be in the small number of hours you get with the plan. Ask them how many lawsuits require under 17.5 hours (or however many your get) of preparation time prior to trial.
    Indeed, ask them, then report back here what they say.
    When you have read all the hostile posts that are sure to come and you
    have
    spoken with the provider attorney in your state, then you will have theinformation you need to make up your own mind. Be sure and speak with real attorneys as well, and find people who've used their providers and then quit the plan. If you can, find people in similar situations who used outside attorneys and get full information from both groups about how much it cost and how satisfied they were with the results.
    This "gentleman" stoops to insulting the attorneys who work with in PPL.
    Why would he do that if not to obfuscate the issue.
    If you have difficulties, which everyone in business does, be honestwith yourself... Ask, "What am I doing wrong?" If you can't figure it
    out,
    ask your mentors what you are doing wrong, then be willing to make a
    change,
    even if it is a bit uncomfortable. And if you don't succeed, he wants you to take the blame, rather than concluding that the whole plan just isn't right.
    You are absolutely right. The problem is not in the business. It works
    and history has already proven that. Those that fail, fail because they
    planned to fail, or rather, because they didn't plan to succeed.
    You'll also notice that he didn't exactly encourage you to get a full range of unbiased (or at least equally biased) information. Seth


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    "Thoth" <Thoth@unlisted.net> wrote in message
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    http://www.mediamoogle.com/ Kevin wrote:
    I have been approached to sell PPL (Pre Paid Legal) out of Ida OK. I
    would
    like to know from a industry prospective what do you think? Thanks in advance
    Yes, this gentleman, appears to have failed to put forth the effort required
    to make the business work. And because he has disillusioned (lied) himself
    into believing the fault could not possibly be his, he blames the product or
    the company. Again, you get out of it what you put into it. Then, there
    are several outright lies in what this person claims to be truth. If part
    of your statement is false it's all false. If part of what you say is a
    lie, the entire thing is a lie. Sorry Mr. Media Moogle... You are a chump.
    Worse, you are a chump that was fooled by your own inadequacies and lies.

    Have you ever heard of "Garbage in Garbage Out"? It applies to all walks of
    life... Especially business. Write good paper and your business sticks,
    write bad paper and it comes back. Simple math, a concept those who
    complain about their memberships canceling often turn a blind eye toward
    because if they didn't, they'd find themselves looking squarely in a mirror
    when they look to find who or what is at fault. If you plant the idea in
    someone's head that they can sign up, get their will done and then drop the
    membership, that is very likely what they will do.

    Success in life is not handed to you on a silver platter, free for the
    plucking. If that is what you think, you deserve what happens. I doubt
    very seriously (but I'll allow for the remote possibility) that this
    person's sponsoring associate made it sound like it would be like falling
    out of a tree to get that 100.00 advanced commission. It IS relatively
    easy, though. I am living proof of that. My wife and I became associates
    on Oct 13th, 2003. We became Managers today. That means we don't get
    $100.00 advance commission on personal sales, we get $125.00 per sale! I
    don't even count the additional income we make when a member of out team
    makes a sale. And as we help them advance to the Manager position, we will
    do even better.

    What better system can you have that rewards time spent with your team,
    helping them to advance and make good sales? You won't find that in ANY
    corporate structure.

    As for retention rate, if that is your only argument... Fie!

    I know people who have retention rates, not persistency rates, that are
    consistently in excess of 80% on a yearly basis and has been as high as 91%.

    If thousands are working a business the same way and those thousands are
    successful, what does that tell you about the handful who can't make it?
    I'll tell you what it says...

    THEY failed, not the business, not the method, not the product. THEY did.
    If I fail, it will be because I didn't do it right. If you decide to get
    into this business and don't succeed, it will be YOU that is at fault. To
    say or claim otherwise is the worst kind of lie... the one you tell
    yourself.

    This is purely conjecture, however, perhaps that is why people like Seth and
    Thoth are so vehemently opposed to this business. They probably tried it,
    failed and instead of accepting their failure and moving on to something
    else, they look to place the blame elsewhere. People often behave in such a
    fashion. It allows them the comfort of not having to face the cold hard
    fact that they failed.

    Note, I did not say they were failures because they failed. It is not the
    same thing. Show me one person who has a LOT of money, and I will show you
    a person that failed their way to the top. Just ask someone who has made a
    lot of money how many times they failed on the way.

    Now, if you fail and refuse to accept the blame that is yours and yours
    alone, THEN, you are a failure and will be doomed to repeat failure after
    failure until you do accept your own responsibility in said failure.

    It is society, driven by people with mind sets of people like Seth and
    Thoth, who praise success and condemn failure, ostracizing those who fail
    lest their failure rub off on them. Yet, in reality, it is those people who
    do the ostracizing who are the real failures because they fear failure as
    something bad (it isn't) and as a result, they never try or IF they do, they
    give it only luke warm attention and then, in shock and dismay, wonder why
    they failed, saying, "It must be this business because I'm not a failure".

    If we measured failure by the rate of success or lack thereof, we would have
    to label such people as George Washington, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson,
    Benjamin Franklin,



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    In article <joswb.55853$86.842679@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
    Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> demonstrated that he can't
    format any better than he thinks:
    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:bpth3u$csd$1@panix5.panix.com...
    In article <jmqwb.37795$M31.840264@twister.tampabay.rr.com> , Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> wrote:
    -From their 'industry' perspective, they will tell you it is a scam - itis
    not. The profits are real. For somebody.
    For anyone who actually works at it. No work, no pay...
    That's a very old trick. "If you didn't make money, it's your own
    fault for not working hard enough."
    The opportunity is real. What you do with yourinvestment is up to you. Ask the person sponsoring you to show you bankstatements showing their deposits. Ask them what the minimum you'll make is, and if they'll guarantee that in writing.The minimum you will make is a big fat zero if you don't work. If you work,you make money. How much is up to you and your willingness to step out ofyour comfort zone.
    Ask them to guarantee how much you'll make per hour worked, then. See
    what they say, or if they'll continue to weasel about "maybe you
    aren't working hard enough".
    -They will tell you it is a pyramid scheme - The SEC does not permitillegal
    companies and marketing to do business on the stock market. And the Wall St. Journal is full of empty pages where articles about such companies might have been expected to appear.
    Money, Forbes and others like them are just as prestegious as that review...
    Do you think they ever posted glowing articles about MCI (Worldcom),
    Enron, etc.? Great companies those must be.
    -They will trot out retention rates and persistancy rates but they ignorecounter arguments regarding merchandise being returned to a WalMart orSears
    being no different. Some people impulse buy and later recant. That is afact of business, regardless of your industry. Find out the percentage of merchandise purchased at WalMart or Sears that is later returned. Find out the fraction of buyers of PrePaidLegal who quit. Think about why someone involved in it uses bogus arguments.
    Nothing bogus about my arguments. Your OPINION is that it is bogus, becauseyou can't otherwise refute it.
    Find out the actual numbers. Then see which you consider bogus.
    In short, they will do anything and everything in their power to preventyou
    from getting accurate information so you can make an educated decision. Somebody is encouraging you to get full information, including from people who dropped out of PPL.
    Yes, do... make sure you ask those drop outs to give you an honest opinion,if they are capable. Not the one lie they have convinced themselves istrue.
    That is, he wants you to discount in advance anything they say that
    isn't favorable to PPL.
    The fact is, history has repeatedly shown that new ideas frequently comeunder attack by the very people and industry they seek to revolutionize.Those ideas who's foundations are sound, as it the idea of prepaid legalplans, survive the jealousy and hatred to become main stream entitieswith
    household name recognition. "They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Most new ideas are bad. A few are good. If you could tell the difference, you wouldn't be worried about making money.
    Yes, many are bad ideas. Those which survive for 30 years and have madecountless people a good living as well as aided millions with their legalissues would not fall under that category, no matter how much you hate theplan or it's marketing methods.
    If it made "countless people a good living" who paid for that?
    Doesn't that imply that those customers spent a lot of money that
    didn't go to lawyers for working for them? So why would the lawyers
    work for PPL? Perhaps they're not capable of earning more on their
    own (which would speak to their quality), or perhaps they manage to
    extract a lot of legal fees from PPL's customers (what's a 25%
    discount on a number they get to specify worth)?

    That's another interesting question: How much do PPL's lawyers earn
    per year, on average?
    I challenge you to do your own research, listen to the weak arguments ofthose who WILL attack this message like pirrana. Then go do your ownresearch. Then listen to the even weaker arguments of those involved.Weaker in who's opinion? You completely unbiased opinion?
    I don't make any money no matter which decision he makes. You're
    attempting to have him sign up for a pyramid scheme you're involved
    in. Which of us is less biased? (You were the first to refer to
    "weak arguments", too; see above.)
    Ask to talk to some of the provider attorneys - the attorney firms haveregularly scheduled open houses for this purpose. Ask them how attorneyfirms function outside the boundaries of a legal plan, ask them how theyoperate. Why ask attorneys inside the plan how their competitors operate? Wouldn't that be biased information?And yours and my opinions are not biased.
    Mine aren't biased; I'm not any sort of competitor. I have no
    financial stake either way.
    There are, unfortunately, nounbiased opinions. Unless you count the numerous articles in MoneyMagazine, Forbes, etc.
    I wonder if PPL advertises, perhaps in those magazines.
    Ask about billable hours and padding those same hours. Ask aboutthe fierce competition that exists in the legal industry for those hoursand
    how many clients get double or triple billed. Ask them how their
    practice
    under PPL differs from those who fight it out in the increasingly hostilewaters of the legal profession. Ask them how effective they can be in the small number of hours you get with the plan. Ask them how many lawsuits require under 17.5 hours (or however many your get) of preparation time prior to trial.
    Indeed, ask them, then report back here what they say.
    Please do. Let us know if they even answer.
    When you have read all the hostile posts that are sure to come and youhave
    spoken with the provider attorney in your state, then you will have theinformation you need to make up your own mind. Be sure and speak with real attorneys as well, and find people who've used their providers and then quit the plan. If you can, find people in similar situations who used outside attorneys and get full information from both groups about how much it cost and how satisfied they were with the results.
    This "gentleman" stoops to insulting the attorneys who work with in PPL.Why would he do that if not to obfuscate the issue.
    I'm advising the original poster to speak with people in all
    situations, including those who were unsatisfied with PPL; you
    apparently want him to speak only with shills and employees.
    If you have difficulties, which everyone in business does, be honestwith yourself... Ask, "What am I doing wrong?" If you can't figure itout,
    ask your mentors what you are doing wrong, then be willing to make a
    change,
    even if it is a bit uncomfortable. And if you don't succeed, he wants you to take the blame, rather than concluding that the whole plan just isn't right.
    You are absolutely right. The problem is not in the business. It worksand history has already proven that. Those that fail, fail because theyplanned to fail, or rather, because they didn't plan to succeed.
    See? It's impossible for it to be the company's fault if you fail.
    They'll just blame you. Do you really want to do business with
    someone who has that attitude?

    Seth

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    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in message
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    In article <joswb.55853$86.842679@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> demonstrated that he can't format any better than he thinks:
    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:bpth3u$csd$1@panix5.panix.com...
    In article <jmqwb.37795$M31.840264@twister.tampabay.rr.com> , Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >-From their 'industry' perspective, they will tell you it is a scam -
    it
    is
    >not. The profits are real. For somebody.
    For anyone who actually works at it. No work, no pay... That's a very old trick. "If you didn't make money, it's your own fault for not working hard enough."
    The TRUTH is only considered a trick when the individual who is hit in the
    face with the TRUTH refuses to recognize it and goes looking else where for
    reasons why he or she failed. The amount of success you are going to have
    in ANY venture is directly connected to the amount you are willing to extend
    yourself outside your personal comfort zone. The amount of failure you have
    in any venture is also directly connected to the number of excuses you make
    for any failure.

    Successful people look at failure as learning opportunities. Unsuccessful
    people see failure as a reason to be quitters. This world eats quitters
    alive and spits out the pieces. Recognizing your limitations, accepting a
    failure and then moving on is the mark of a successful person.

    Show me a successful business person, and I'll show you a person who has
    failed a multitude of times, recognized their part in that failure, analyzed
    it, took ownership instead of making excuses.

    Show me a person who is moving from failure to failure with out making
    excuses, and I will show you a person who will be successful.

    Show me a person who fails and blames anything and everything except
    themselves and I will show you a person who is doomed to be a failure until
    he/she stops making excuses and takes ownership of that failure.

    ANYONE with significant Sales and/or Marketing experience can validate these
    statements.
    > The opportunity is real. What you do with your >investment is up to you. Ask the person sponsoring you to show you
    bank
    >statements showing their deposits. Ask them what the minimum you'll make is, and if they'll guarantee that in writing.The minimum you will make is a big fat zero if you don't work. If you
    work,
    you make money. How much is up to you and your willingness to step out
    of
    your comfort zone. Ask them to guarantee how much you'll make per hour worked, then. See what they say, or if they'll continue to weasel about "maybe you aren't working hard enough".
    Only an imbecile would expect a guarantee of income in a job or business
    who's income is generated by commissions. Ask a car salesman how much they
    make if they don't put forth effort. Is it the car dealerships fault if the
    salesman doesn't make money? Not likely...
    If an insurance salesman doesn't put in the time to meet new clients,
    explain their insurance product and thus, fails to make an income, is it the
    fault of the insurance he/she is marketing? NOPE!!!
    >-They will tell you it is a pyramid scheme - The SEC does not permitillegal
    >companies and marketing to do business on the stock market. And the Wall St. Journal is full of empty pages where articles about such companies might have been expected to appear.
    Money, Forbes and others like them are just as prestegious as that
    review...
    Do you think they ever posted glowing articles about MCI (Worldcom), Enron, etc.? Great companies those must be.
    >-They will trot out retention rates and persistancy rates but they
    ignore
    >counter arguments regarding merchandise being returned to a WalMart orSears
    >being no different. Some people impulse buy and later recant. That
    is a
    >fact of business, regardless of your industry. Find out the percentage of merchandise purchased at WalMart or Sears that is later returned. Find out the fraction of buyers of PrePaidLegal who quit. Think about why someone involved in it uses bogus arguments.Nothing bogus about my arguments. Your OPINION is that it is bogus,
    because
    you can't otherwise refute it. Find out the actual numbers. Then see which you consider bogus.
    >In short, they will do anything and everything in their power to
    prevent
    you
    >from getting accurate information so you can make an educated
    decision.
    Somebody is encouraging you to get full information, including from people who dropped out of PPL.Yes, do... make sure you ask those drop outs to give you an honest
    opinion,
    if they are capable. Not the one lie they have convinced themselves istrue. That is, he wants you to discount in advance anything they say that isn't favorable to PPL.
    >The fact is, history has repeatedly shown that new ideas frequently
    come
    >under attack by the very people and industry they seek to
    revolutionize.
    >Those ideas who's foundations are sound, as it the idea of prepaid
    legal
    >plans, survive the jealousy and hatred to become main stream entitieswith
    >household name recognition. "They laughed at Galileo. They laughed at Einstein. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Most new ideas are bad. A few are good. If you could tell the difference, you wouldn't be worried about making money.
    Yes, many are bad ideas. Those which survive for 30 years and have madecountless people a good living as well as aided millions with their legalissues would not fall under that category, no matter how much you hate
    the
    plan or it's marketing methods. If it made "countless people a good living" who paid for that? Doesn't that imply that those customers spent a lot of money that didn't go to lawyers for working for them? So why would the lawyers work for PPL? Perhaps they're not capable of earning more on their own (which would speak to their quality), or perhaps they manage to extract a lot of legal fees from PPL's customers (what's a 25% discount on a number they get to specify worth)? That's another interesting question: How much do PPL's lawyers earn per year, on average?
    It will vary depending on the membership base in that state, however; here
    are some numbers, you do the math.

    Our provider firm in Orlando, makes $500,000.00 each month from the current
    membership base. There are, at last count, 30 attorneys (out of 50) in that
    firm who are dedicated to PPL. In the case of the law firm, we, as a group,
    represent the largest retainer paid to this firm. This is more than they
    get paid by AmSouth Bank, All State Insurance and Disney, just to name a
    fiew...

    In Texas that number is closer to 1.4 million and in California, it is 1.6
    million PER MONTH.
    >I challenge you to do your own research, listen to the weak arguments
    of
    >those who WILL attack this message like pirrana. Then go do your own >research. Then listen to the even weaker arguments of those involved.Weaker in who's opinion? You completely unbiased opinion? I don't make any money no matter which decision he makes. You're attempting to have him sign up for a pyramid scheme you're involved in. Which of us is less biased? (You were the first to refer to "weak arguments", too; see above.)
    Number one, it is not a pyramid scheme. Number two, I am not the one
    bringing this gentleman into the business opportunity so I don't make a
    single penny if he signs or not, either directly or indirectly. Neither you
    or I are completely unbiased, I in favor (for obvious beneficial reasons),
    you against (for undisclosed reasons).

    Here's something else to consider... If this person signs and were to
    happen to contact me for assistance with anything regarding the growth of
    his business, I and those I work with would happily give that help with out
    expectation of any recompense. Would you do the same with someone who might
    be or become one of your competitors?
    >Ask to talk to some of the provider attorneys - the attorney firms
    have
    >regularly scheduled open houses for this purpose. Ask them how
    attorney
    >firms function outside the boundaries of a legal plan, ask them how
    they
    >operate. Why ask attorneys inside the plan how their competitors operate? Wouldn't that be biased information?And yours and my opinions are not biased. Mine aren't biased; I'm not any sort of competitor. I have no financial stake either way.
    Yes, you are biased. Your obvious hatred of this system and the service it
    provides shows that you ARE, indeed, very biased.
    There are, unfortunately, nounbiased opinions. Unless you count the numerous articles in MoneyMagazine, Forbes, etc.
    I wonder if PPL advertises, perhaps in those magazines.
    PPL doesn't advertise anywhere in any media type. If an ad IS run, it was
    sponsored and paid for out of the pocket of the associate or group of
    associates placing the ad. If they were to spend money on advertisements,
    they would not be able to pay out the sizable advanced commissions of which
    they are currently capable.
    > Ask about billable hours and padding those same hours. Ask about >the fierce competition that exists in the legal industry for those
    hours
    and
    >how many clients get double or triple billed. Ask them how their
    practice
    >under PPL differs from those who fight it out in the increasingly
    hostile
    >waters of the legal profession. Ask them how effective they can be in the small number of hours you get with the plan. Ask them how many lawsuits require under 17.5 hours (or however many your get) of preparation time prior to trial.Indeed, ask them, then report back here what they say. Please do. Let us know if they even answer.
    >When you have read all the hostile posts that are sure to come and youhave
    >spoken with the provider attorney in your state, then you will have
    the
    >information you need to make up your own mind. Be sure and speak with real attorneys as well, and find people who've used their providers and then quit the plan. If you can, find people in similar situations who used outside attorneys and get full information from both groups about how much it cost and how satisfied they were with the results.This "gentleman" stoops to insulting the attorneys who work with in PPL.Why would he do that if not to obfuscate the issue. I'm advising the original poster to speak with people in all situations, including those who were unsatisfied with PPL; you apparently want him to speak only with shills and employees.
    Quite the contrary. You didn't get very high scores in reading
    comprehension in school, did you. What a shame.
    > If you have difficulties, which everyone in business does, be honest >with yourself... Ask, "What am I doing wrong?" If you can't figure
    it
    out,
    >ask your mentors what you are doing wrong, then be willing to make a
    change,
    >even if it is a bit uncomfortable. And if you don't succeed, he wants you to take the blame, rather than concluding that the whole plan just isn't right.
    You are absolutely right. The problem is not in the business. It worksand history has already proven that. Those that fail, fail because theyplanned to fail, or rather, because they didn't plan to succeed. See? It's impossible for it to be the company's fault if you fail. They'll just blame you. Do you really want to do business with someone who has that attitude? Seth
    ROFLOL!!!! Seth would have us believe that, if you had a job at which you
    performed miserably, your employer would be wrong to place blame on your
    performance on your shoulders. An employee of any company in any position
    will not last long with that attitude.

    Again, a successful person, accepts failure and grows from its lessons. A
    failure seeks to redirect their failure to others so they don't have to
    admit thier part in it.



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    In article <Pr3zb.4194$%h4.3782@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
    Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> wrote:
    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:bqh4pm$hln$1@panix5.panix.com...
    That's a very old trick. "If you didn't make money, it's your own fault for not working hard enough."The TRUTH is only considered a trick when
    somebody doesn't want to recognize the truth and calls is a trick
    instead. One heuristic for determining this is happening is shouting
    (capitalizing) the word "truth".

    Seth

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    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in message
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    In article <Pr3zb.4194$%h4.3782@twister.tampabay.rr.com>, Curtis Rowell <curtis_rowell@hotmail.com> wrote:
    "Seth Breidbart" <sethb@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:bqh4pm$hln$1@panix5.panix.com... That's a very old trick. "If you didn't make money, it's your own fault for not working hard enough."The TRUTH is only considered a trick when
    somebody doesn't want to recognize the truth and calls is a trick instead. One heuristic for determining this is happening is shouting (capitalizing) the word "truth". Seth

    Your feeble attempts at sophistry are so feeble, it would be hilarious, if
    you weren't such a pitiful excuse of a windbag.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis Rowell View Post
    "Kevin" <Kevin.Eastwood@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:T5hwb.12195$yy5.9123@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...

    Kevin,

    PPL presents serious competition to those who frequent this forum. Do you
    REALLY expect to get an unbiased opinion, not that my opinion is going to be
    any less biased. I AM an independant associate. We have been in business
    only since mid-October. We have already climbed to the Manager position and
    are on track for Director by the end of December and Executive Director by
    February.

    -From their 'industry' perspective, they will tell you it is a scam - it is
    not. The profits are real. The opportunity is real. What you do with your
    investment is up to you. Ask the person sponsoring you to show you bank
    statements showing their deposits.
    -There are those who will say they have been 'burt' by this 'scam'. I would
    say, they were lazy or unwilling to work hard. They expected the money to
    come to them.
    -They will tell you it is a pyramid scheme - The SEC does not permit illegal
    companies and marketing to do business on the stock market.
    -They will trot out retention rates and persistancy rates but they ignore
    counter arguments regarding merchandise being returned to a WalMart or Sears
    being no different. Some people impulse buy and later recant. That is a
    fact of business, regardless of your industry.
    -They will likely attempt to claim that my reply to your request is spam or
    UCE. It is neither.

    In short, they will do anything and everything in their power to prevent you
    from getting accurate information so you can make an educated decision.

    The fact is, history has repeatedly shown that new ideas frequently come
    under attack by the very people and industry they seek to revolutionize.
    Those ideas who's foundations are sound, as it the idea of prepaid legal
    plans, survive the jealousy and hatred to become main stream entities with
    household name recognition.

    It is now and will be no different with this one.

    I challenge you to do your own research, listen to the weak arguments of
    those who WILL attack this message like pirrana. Then go do your own
    research.

    Ask to talk to some of the provider attorneys - the attorney firms have
    regularly scheduled open houses for this purpose. Ask them how attorney
    firms function outside the boundaries of a legal plan, ask them how they
    operate. Ask about billable hours and padding those same hours. Ask about
    the fierce competition that exists in the legal industry for those hours and
    how many clients get double or triple billed. Ask them how their practice
    under PPL differs from those who fight it out in the increasingly hostile
    waters of the legal profession.

    When you have read all the hostile posts that are sure to come and you have
    spoken with the provider attorney in your state, then you will have the
    information you need to make up your own mind.

    If it isn't for you, I wish you good fortune in your future endeavors. If
    it is, welcome. You will get a lot of support and encouragement. If you
    are teachable, listen well and are willing to try that which your mentor
    tells you, you will be successful. The level of that success will have
    direct relationship with your willingness to listen and the effort you put
    in. If you have difficulties, which everyone in business does, be honest
    with yourself... Ask, "What am I doing wrong?" If you can't figure it out,
    ask your mentors what you are doing wrong, then be willing to make a change,
    even if it is a bit uncomfortable.


    Curtis Rowell
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    Group & Small Business Specialists
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    http://www.prepaidlegal.com/agent/mrowell - Insurance/Real Estate Agents
    Hello Curtis,

    I just came across this post and I noticed none of the Pre-Paid Legal URLs in your signature work. Are you still an associate? It seems you were off to a good start (writing in November how well you were doing even though you had just started the month prior). How is your Pre-Paid Legal business doing these days? And do you still have the Pre-Paid Legal plan?
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    Did you happen to notice that this thread is six years old and Curtis has not been back?
    The above answer, whatever it is, assumes that no legally binding and enforceable contract or CBA says otherwise. If it does, then the terms of the contract or CBA apply.

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    Poster might be a spammer but can't tell for sure yet with the one post. (Posted to old thread & link deleted)
    Last edited by Betty3; 11-29-2010 at 05:54 PM.
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    My thoughts also.
    The above answer, whatever it is, assumes that no legally binding and enforceable contract or CBA says otherwise. If it does, then the terms of the contract or CBA apply.

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    The only reason not sure is @ from US. We'll see if posts any more.
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