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[Kane]

On 12 Jul 2003 20:54:46 GMT, fern5827@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote:

Adoption can take a long time.

Bull****. It takes on average just about the same as a human
gestation. Give or take a couple of months. And a good deal of that is
under the control of the adoptive family....references returned,
medical checkup, financial statement, interviews for the homestudy.
There is, in most states, a one year supervision-support period from
placement of the child until the adoption becomes final with monthly
visits by the adoption worker. Then it's bye bye CPS.

And in most states it is entirely free. NO costs whatsoever. Well,
maybe some Disney decals for the nursery. If you don't believe me call
your local CPS office and ask an adoption worker.

FREE, entirely. Well, for you, Plantago, maybe a psych and drug eval
you'd have to pay for....r r r r r If they let you adopt they'll
reimburse you.

It keeps the jobs within the system, you know.

Naw, actually it ends the child's dependency on the state and the tax
payers.

Most adoptors prefer infants.

Crock o'Fertilizer. Most do NOT want poopie diapers and since they are
frequently two person working families they prefer the child be in
school. Very few ask for infants and infants rarely come without
siblings.

You don't know Manure.

You could see if your county has provisions for you to become a CASA

or a

mentor.

While leaving children languishing in state foster care waiting to be
adopted?

For, you see, if they were a volunteer, or paid worker of any kind
they would have a conflict of interest attempting to adopt. Shame on
you, Mangnolia. Shame. r r r r r

But that would give you something more to take advantage of concerning
families and children involved with CPS, you little blood dancer you.
Their suffering, your fun. How quaint.

Mentors are sometimes paid to be friends and surrogate parents, often

to boys

who have no male figure in their lives.

WHAT!? Paid? How can that be? Shouldn't all who work with children be
volunteers?

r r r r

You are a Cardamom, Veggie, a perfect Cardamom.

Stoneman

[mdginzo]

I gues it depends. If you want a healthy, white newborn you might have to
wait a while. If you want a black, 10-year-old with mental and physical
handicaps you can get one today.

"Kane" <pohakuyakokane@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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On 12 Jul 2003 20:54:46 GMT, fern5827@aol.com (Fern5827) wrote:

Bull****. It takes on average just about the same as a human gestation. Give or take a couple of months. And a good deal of that is under the control of the adoptive family....references returned, medical checkup, financial statement, interviews for the homestudy. There is, in most states, a one year supervision-support period from placement of the child until the adoption becomes final with monthly visits by the adoption worker. Then it's bye bye CPS. And in most states it is entirely free. NO costs whatsoever. Well, maybe some Disney decals for the nursery. If you don't believe me call your local CPS office and ask an adoption worker. FREE, entirely. Well, for you, Plantago, maybe a psych and drug eval you'd have to pay for....r r r r r If they let you adopt they'll reimburse you.

Naw, actually it ends the child's dependency on the state and the tax payers.

Crock o'Fertilizer. Most do NOT want poopie diapers and since they are frequently two person working families they prefer the child be in school. Very few ask for infants and infants rarely come without siblings. You don't know Manure.

or a

While leaving children languishing in state foster care waiting to be adopted? For, you see, if they were a volunteer, or paid worker of any kind they would have a conflict of interest attempting to adopt. Shame on you, Mangnolia. Shame. r r r r r But that would give you something more to take advantage of concerning families and children involved with CPS, you little blood dancer you. Their suffering, your fun. How quaint.

to boys

WHAT!? Paid? How can that be? Shouldn't all who work with children be volunteers? r r r r You are a Cardamom, Veggie, a perfect Cardamom. Stoneman

[Kane]

familyfree@cpswatchlive.com wrote in message news:<20030713043530.602$B6@newsreader.com>...

"mdginzo" <mdginzo@bellsuth.net> wrote:

No-o-o-o, you don't want to argue with 'Stoneman' He 'knows' Evvvvverrryyytthhhinng... He's soooo old. (rolling young eyes) ( :

A question was asked. It was answered.

You have done the same.

Or is it that you just can't resist your fascination for Plants?

r r r r r

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman

[Kane]

"mdginzo" <mdginzo@bellsuth.net> wrote in message news:<Uo8Qa.10315$pO5.6977@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com >...

I gues it depends. If you want a healthy, white newborn you might have to wait a while.

There is a dearth of these in either public or private circumstances.
Private adoptions of such children are rare indeed and very very
costly. I don't think that was the question though.

And healthy (if you mean relatively free of problems mental and
physical) is an extreme rarity from state sources. One might find such
a child as part of a sibling group of older children, but risk
free...naw. But that shouldn't matter a whit. Not such quarantee would
exist in a private or foreign adoption either.

If you want a black, 10-year-old with mental and physical handicaps you can get one today.

Excuse me?

Is your comment meant to be a racist troll, or perhaps just an
insensitive jibe?

Some folks are drawn, by social responsibility and-or by their own
loving natures, to adopt children that others don't want or couldn't
serve adequately. Are you admiring such folks or demeaning them by
your comment?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Black, 10 year old children with mental and physical handicaps have as
much right to be in a permanent family as anyone, and some few people
do understand this.

The question, if I recall it correctly, wasn't how long it takes to
get a child, but how long it takes for an adoption. The process is the
same regardless of who the child is or his or her status.

In most states it takes about 6 to 9 months for all the steps in a
homestudy to be completed even before children are looked at by the
family. It can whatever time it takes after that to decide, and this
would be the only part that might connect to your comment, to make a
match that will be expected to work out in the long run.

And then, when the child is placed, about a year, give or take, of
state supervision with monthly visits. Then just a few weeks for the
judicial part of finalizing the adoption.

A quick call to any CPS office, or private adoption service, would
provide folks with accurate information. I got mine that way, and
followed up by reading state and private sponsored web sites, among
other explorations.

But give us some more comments. Who knows, you may have something
cogent to offer.

Kane

"Kane" <pohakuyakokane@subdimension.com> wrote in message news:7ed8d1be.0307121401.db6e8b2@posting.google.co m...

Pruning the nonsense from The Plant....................

[mdginzo]

"Kane" <pohakuyakokane@subdimension.com> wrote in message
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If you want a black, 10-year-old with mental and physical handicaps you can get one today. Excuse me? Is your comment meant to be a racist troll, or perhaps just an insensitive jibe?

Just a sad fact.

Some folks are drawn, by social responsibility and-or by their own loving natures, to adopt children that others don't want or couldn't serve adequately. Are you admiring such folks or demeaning them by your comment?

All I am saying is that such folks are rare. The vast majority of adopting
parents don't want black children.

Inquiring minds want to know. Black, 10 year old children with mental and physical handicaps have as much right to be in a permanent family as anyone, and some few people do understand this.

I agree 100%

The question, if I recall it correctly, wasn't how long it takes to get a child, but how long it takes for an adoption. The process is the same regardless of who the child is or his or her status.

True enough.

[Kane]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:23:17 -0400, "mdginzo" <mdginzo@bellsuth.net>
wrote:

"Kane" <pohakuyakokane@subdimension.com> wrote in messagenews:7ed8d1be.0307131003.7fce996e@posting.g oogle.com...

Just a sad fact.

I do hope you won't be offended if I differ?

It's more that folks, not all mind you, don't want someone else's
trouble...as they see it. Those that do adopt children of color, with
mental and physical "handicaps" (disabilities is more accurate), love
them dearly...much to the delight of all concerned including the
child, and even, sometimes, the family that could not support the
child in their neediness.

I rather dislike throw-away commentary about children, adoption,
fostering, CPS, family. I hope you won't take offense at my taking
offense. There is a great deal more to this issue than your comment.

Some folks are drawn, by social responsibility and-or by their own loving natures, to adopt children that others don't want or

couldn't

serve adequately. Are you admiring such folks or demeaning them by your comment?All I am saying is that such folks are rare. The vast majority of

adopting

parents don't want black children.

Really? It's so prevalent and has been for so many years that some
folks find it a problem...some black folks.

(I might say that about children with severe disabilities and be half
right, but not about children of color). I know many white families
that adopted children not of their own ethnicity.

Here's a site for you that explains what I mean:

http://tinyurl.com/gtxt

excerpt...please go to the URL above for more.

"TRANSRACIAL ADOPTION - A BRIEF OVERVIEW
Between 1968 and 1972, approximately 50,000 black and biracial
children were adopted by white adoptive parents. At the time, adoption
of black children by white families was thought necessary due to the
increasing number of black children in foster care and the seeming
lack of black adoptive families. In the early 1970s, transracial
adoptions gained in popularity as the number of available white
infants declined and the number of prospective adoptive parents
continued to grow."

Black social worker back then had very strong feelings about how
little recruiting and support of black families to adopt were taking
place. It resulted in a groundswell of recruiting, (One Church One
Child was one of the programs) and some, but not much, improvement in
support systems for prospective black adoptive families.

Native American's saw it as such a problem they fought for and won a
law based on ICWA, the Indian Child Welfare Act...and they no longer
lose their posterity to whites that try to convert children of color
into little white kids.

But then that's just my soapbox.

Inquiring minds want to know. Black, 10 year old children with mental and physical handicaps have

as

much right to be in a permanent family as anyone, and some few

people

do understand this.I agree 100%

Not everyone does...that's the population you are referring to, or
should have. . It's small, but makes up in disgust factor for what it
lacks in size. r r r r

The question, if I recall it correctly, wasn't how long it takes to get a child, but how long it takes for an adoption. The process is

the

same regardless of who the child is or his or her status.True enough.

I'll gain no popularity among white adoptive families that adopt
across ethic and cultural lines. And in many, probably most instances
these days, there is considerable sensitivity to and support of the
child staying connect to his or her origins, but there are still a few
that want to "save the poor little colored tykes" hhhyuk, patoieee...

Kane

[Greg Hanson]

< Baby market expertise snipped >

Some folks are drawn, by social responsibility and-or by their own loving natures, to adopt children that others don't want or couldn't serve adequately.

Do you mean like child removals based on CLUTTER in a mobile home?
(Completely without standards, and judged by lowlife yuppy wannabe's??)

Are you admiring such folks or demeaning them by your comment?

Please cite official stats on how many kids are truly abandoned.
Weed out the mass where caseworkers decide that since the parents
didn't kiss their tushie, that they forfeit the kid, so they call
it abandonment. Remove the ones who just plain got worn out by
the ***-dragging bureaucracy and couldn't BUY their justice.

There has to be SOME reason why caseworkers have deliberately
told Foster Caregivers LIES about the reasons for removal.
(Several reformed Fosters and several Federal cases show this.)
And the minute a Foster begins to ASK for hard information
about the removal, or lobby for family reunification, they
quickly find out how vindictive and scorpionlike caseworkers are.
Usually they get blackballed from Foster Care programs for this.

Smooth move lumping "don't want or couldn't serve adequately" together.

Most of these kids are in fact RIPPED away by a system that employs
a modern variation of the tactics of Torquemada, add a dash of
Franz Kafka, caseworkers who don't practice what they preach, and
did I forget to mention the ADOPTION BONUS MONEY?

The man (Gelles) who wrote ASFA, is appalled by the corruption
and bad outcome caused by the financial incentives. He's on the
CPS SIDE and he's disgusted.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Who cares about your subscriptions?

And then, when the child is placed, about a year, give or take, of state supervision with monthly visits. Then just a few weeks for the judicial part of finalizing the adoption.

(Yeah, those pesky visita, and all that trouble of trying to come
up with an excuse not to send the kid home.. pshaw. Next you'll
be describing what a BOTHER it is to rob a bank. Whatever you do,
ignore the right and wrong of it completely.)

Court dates just don't happen that quickly.
You are in la la land.

A quick call to any CPS office, or private adoption service, would provide folks with accurate information. I got mine that way, and followed up by reading state and private sponsored web sites, among other explorations.

We always kind of figured you for this sort of stooge.
You call up the CPS, like a groupie and fail to see that they
have a political agenda of self interest? You believe all
of their self serving propaganda they have spent millions on?

Do you judge politicians or stock portfolios like that also?
Ken Lay would have given you the straight poop on Enron?? Right.
And he WOULD be the authority on it, wouldn't he?