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    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....
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    Illegal Immigration and House Bill 109 Stir Up Controversy

    Feb. 26, 2004

    Carole Mikita Reporting

    Controversy on Capitol Hill as both the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
    Saints and the Mexican consulate make it clear they don't like the way a
    bill about illegal immigration is being handled.

    It was unusual, but not unclear -- the Church issued a public statement that
    it doesn't want to be part of the debate over a bill the Mexican government
    says is blatant discrimination.

    The issue has become very heated and it's very complicated, involving a bill
    in the legislature, an immigration reform group, Mexican I.D. cards and
    apparently temple recommends.

    Joe Reyna, Advisor, Institute of Mexicans Abroad: "The group, Utahns for
    Immigration Reform and enforcement, led by Mr. Matt Throckmorton, have one
    objective in mind and one only -- to promote hatred against the Mexican
    people living in the state of Utah."

    George Monsivais/ spokesman The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:
    "The Church is investigating complaints that Utahns for Immigration Reform
    are citing Church teachings as apparent justification for their political
    positions."

    Those very strong statements came during a news conference in the Capitol
    rotunda this morning. Both the Church and the Mexican Consul are concerned,
    for different reasons, about House Bill 109, preventing illegal immigration.
    Passage of that bill would make an I.D. card issued through the consulate,
    illegal.

    Rep. Mike Thompson, (R) Orem: "I don't know what they're complaining about,
    the Mexican consular card is a Mexican I.D. that does not say they're here
    legally. And all we're saying is we have specifically delineated language of
    what they have to do to prove that they are here legally."

    At the consulate they showed us the process to get the I.D., called a
    metricula --three forms of I.D. required-- and the database that stores that
    information.

    Arturo Chavarria Balleza, Consul of Mexico: "We want to be sure that people
    who obtain a metricula consular is really Mexican national, and we are sure
    about his identity."

    As for the church's concern, apparently immigration reform members pushing
    for this bill are quoting church tenets about obeying laws and suggesting
    immigrants shouldn't obtain temple recommends -- or permission to enter a
    temple -- without legal documentation.

    The member of the board of Utahns for Immigration Reform who was citing
    church doctrine has resigned, but the future of this bill is still
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    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--"
    <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....______________________________________ ___http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613
    Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when
    they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for
    themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more
    effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give
    them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans
    into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and
    energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within
    your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things
    happen in our favor.


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    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. ..
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....______________________________________ ___http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613
    Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor.
    "It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands
    stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His
    Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna

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    "Scipio" <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message
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    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....______________________________________ ___http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613
    Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor.
    Amen!



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    "Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de
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    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message
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    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....______________________________________ ___http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613
    Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor. "It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
    You sound frighteningly like ZANU PF in Zimbabwe.



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    On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus,
    Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de
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    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. ..
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....______________________________________ ___http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613
    Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor.
    "It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the landsstolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- HisExcellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
    Everybody sing along!

    "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."


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    "Scipio" <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message
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    On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de Santa Anna) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message
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    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote: >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous..... >_________________________________________ > >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613 > Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor."It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the landsstolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- HisExcellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna Everybody sing along! "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."
    Would that be to the same tune as that Blondie song "Beat to the Meat?"



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    On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:28:56 GMT, "Iconoclast" <gassasb@earthlink.net>
    wrote:
    "Scipio" <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in messagenews:dcs04096r0jf8upkc3sfd7q25i7gr3jfs0@4ax .com...
    On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de Santa Anna) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message
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    > On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--"> <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:>> >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....> >_________________________________________> >> >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613> >>> Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when> they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for> themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more> effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give> them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans> into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and> energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within> your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things> happen in our favor."It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the landsstolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- HisExcellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna Everybody sing along! "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."
    Would that be to the same tune as that Blondie song "Beat to the Meat?"
    Good call, but no. hehe

    Was hearing a certain Texas Swing melody with that, but I can't
    remember the title anymore.


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    "Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de
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    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:
    These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....______________________________________ ___http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613
    Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor. "It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
    Actually, it's the manifest destiny of the Mexican People to get
    their sorry parasitic asses kicked back into Mexico.



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    "H. Reader" <history.reader@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<zxh0c.8882$C65.4187@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
    "Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de Santa Anna" <pomponiox@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:84dc9988.0402271921.1a2a4f8b@posting.google.c om...
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    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote: >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous..... >_________________________________________ > >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613 > Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor. "It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
    Actually, it's the manifest destiny of the Mexican People to get their sorry parasitic asses kicked back into Mexico.
    Then we will take the better looking gringas with us...

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    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<dcs04096r0jf8upkc3sfd7q25i7gr3jfs0@4ax.com>. ..
    On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de Santa Anna) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. ..
    On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote: >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous..... >_________________________________________ > >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613 > Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things happen in our favor.
    "It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the landsstolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- HisExcellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
    Everybody sing along! "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."
    Not if your monlingual! So, might as well learn Español!
    www.studyspanish.com

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    On 1 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<dcs04096r0jf8upkc3sfd7q25i7gr3jfs0@4ax.com>. ..
    On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de Santa Anna) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. ..> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--"> <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:>> >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....> >_________________________________________> >> >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613> >>> Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when> they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for> themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more> effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give> them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans> into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and> energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within> your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things> happen in our favor."It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the landsstolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- HisExcellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
    Everybody sing along! "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."
    Not if your monlingual! So, might as well learn Español!www.studyspanish.com
    Calculate the probability of this American-type fellow learning
    Espanol, in order to better accomodate Illegals and Non-assimulating
    Others. It isn't like I, and most Americans for that matter, have
    urgent need to communicate better with your barely-monolingual
    colonists, zerge. I'm sure Mexicans would feel similarly, if there
    were a plague of American Trailertrash flooding your nation with tens
    of millions. A few will aspire to jobs that happen to require a lot of
    multi-lingual usage, but not that many. Additionally, Spanish is not
    an international language, apart from intercourse between hispano
    countries. So there is little educational value from that aspect. If I
    were to learn a new language(s) for that kind of reason, Spanish would
    be quite a way down the list

    As individuals, there is just as high a proportion of good people in a
    Mexican population as in the American population, or any other. But
    almost no one wants what the Mexican and latin-american nations have
    to offer, not language, not the authentic culture, nothing really,
    apart from a couple of specialty products. It's not that some of it
    isn't adapted to feed trend-seeking pop culture, but if all things of
    latino origin quietly disappeared tommorow, few would notice or feel a
    loss, apart from latinos of course.


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    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<jqk7405v6so6quo6s0u05rbsknbvrc40hb@4ax.com>. ..
    On 1 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<dcs04096r0jf8upkc3sfd7q25i7gr3jfs0@4ax.com>. ..
    On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus, Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de Santa Anna) wrote: >Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. .. >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" >> <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote: >> >> >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous..... >> >_________________________________________ >> > >> >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613 >> > >> >> Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when >> they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for >> themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more >> effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give >> them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans >> into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and >> energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within >> your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things >> happen in our favor. > >"It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands >stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His >Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna Everybody sing along! "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."
    Not if your monlingual! So, might as well learn Español!www.studyspanish.com
    Calculate the probability of this American-type fellow learning Espanol, in order to better accomodate Illegals and Non-assimulating Others. It isn't like I, and most Americans for that matter, have urgent need to communicate better with your barely-monolingual colonists, zerge. I'm sure Mexicans would feel similarly, if there were a plague of American Trailertrash flooding your nation with tens of millions. A few will aspire to jobs that happen to require a lot of multi-lingual usage, but not that many. Additionally, Spanish is not an international language, apart from intercourse between hispano countries. So there is little educational value from that aspect. If I were to learn a new language(s) for that kind of reason, Spanish would be quite a way down the list As individuals, there is just as high a proportion of good people in a Mexican population as in the American population, or any other. But almost no one wants what the Mexican and latin-american nations have to offer, not language, not the authentic culture, nothing really, apart from a couple of specialty products. It's not that some of it isn't adapted to feed trend-seeking pop culture, but if all things of latino origin quietly disappeared tommorow, few would notice or feel a loss, apart from latinos of course.
    Well goodness gracious, of course!
    But believe me when I tell you, if the US where to dissapear tomorrow,
    millions upon millions of people would dance with happiness around the
    world, regardless of the economic and cultural losses. Let's just say
    you have thrown your weight around carelessly during the past century

    Oh, and just for the record, I would not be one of those dancing;
    despite everything, I DO like many things about the US.

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    On 3 Mar 2004 13:40:28 -0800, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<jqk7405v6so6quo6s0u05rbsknbvrc40hb@4ax.com>. ..
    On 1 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<dcs04096r0jf8upkc3sfd7q25i7gr3jfs0@4ax.com>. ..> On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus,> Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de> Santa Anna) wrote:>> >Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. ..> >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--"> >> <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote:> >>> >> >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous.....> >> >_________________________________________> >> >> >> >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613> >> >> >>> >> Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when> >> they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for> >> themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more> >> effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give> >> them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans> >> into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and> >> energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within> >> your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things> >> happen in our favor.> >> >"It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands> >stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His> >Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna>> Everybody sing along!>> "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..."Not if your monlingual! So, might as well learn Español!www.studyspanish.com
    Calculate the probability of this American-type fellow learning Espanol, in order to better accomodate Illegals and Non-assimulating Others. It isn't like I, and most Americans for that matter, have urgent need to communicate better with your barely-monolingual colonists, zerge. I'm sure Mexicans would feel similarly, if there were a plague of American Trailertrash flooding your nation with tens of millions. A few will aspire to jobs that happen to require a lot of multi-lingual usage, but not that many. Additionally, Spanish is not an international language, apart from intercourse between hispano countries. So there is little educational value from that aspect. If I were to learn a new language(s) for that kind of reason, Spanish would be quite a way down the list As individuals, there is just as high a proportion of good people in a Mexican population as in the American population, or any other. But almost no one wants what the Mexican and latin-american nations have to offer, not language, not the authentic culture, nothing really, apart from a couple of specialty products. It's not that some of it isn't adapted to feed trend-seeking pop culture, but if all things of latino origin quietly disappeared tommorow, few would notice or feel a loss, apart from latinos of course.
    Well goodness gracious, of course! But believe me when I tell you, if the US where to dissapear tomorrow,millions upon millions of people would dance with happiness around theworld, regardless of the economic and cultural losses. Let's just sayyou have thrown your weight around carelessly during the past centuryOh, and just for the record, I would not be one of those dancing;despite everything, I DO like many things about the US.
    Ok, then parse out what you've just revealed there, and hear it again
    as someone with plain-old native interests.

    A people who carry a feeling inside that they would enjoy *dancing on
    your grave* are not people who you are going trust to work in your
    mutual interests (unless you are a candy-***, delusional american
    politician). It's a psychology thing. In fact they may very well
    volunteer to harm themselves in order to harm you. All the while
    speaking a public claim of friendship and/or a productive
    relationship. This is universal, incidentally: Couples do it,
    organizations do it, and nations do it.

    Another point follows: There is no cure for people like that. If you
    try to appease people who claim such injury, it immediately devolves
    into playing the apologetic clown for people who hate you and always
    will. Soon you will be running your actions by people, who in no way
    possess moral superiority, or any other sort. Quite typically, the
    realty is opposite. If you're familiar with post-60s race relations in
    the US, its associated poltical industry, then you'll know from where
    we got the harder lessons on that. If you succeed in meeting every
    claim of injury THEN they hate you because they don't respect you: why
    would they respect a big, powerful man who kisses their *** on demand?
    So you see, there is no winning for playing that game.

    Both of those points above are almost precisely descriptive of the
    relationship between Mexico and the US. People who deny those facts,
    and who are not dullards, are fight-mongers. I cannot call myself any
    better, I type on Usenet after all, but at least I'm not a jackass
    who'll deny all this, sure that I'm fooling everybody as I choose.

    A third observation apropos: The universal tendency to cling to a
    destructive mutual embrace, and increase it. In the apparent belief
    that the other person or party will either die, or change to your
    likng. This is one of the stupidest things human beings do, but will
    virtually always do, if you do not force them to decouple, and make
    sure they stay decoupled. You can reliably parse the well-meaning
    people on this issue from the real ****heads, by forcing this decision
    upon them. The ****heads will instinctively choose to stay in the
    embace, sure that they can "change" the opposition in their favor.

    All these things are principle pillars of the real relationship
    between the US and Mexico. It will NOT get better while that is so,
    and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it. Except decouple. The
    countries are not capable of pleasing each other whilst pleasing
    themselves. It will be at the expense of one or both nations. That
    will not change by way of any deliberate plan carried out for that
    purpose, and not in a time frame that anyone here would much care
    about.


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    Default UAH: Mexicans go off on Throckmorton's Group

    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<eolc40l9thqc0l20570939i8u9qjefovq1@4ax.com>. ..
    On 3 Mar 2004 13:40:28 -0800, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote:
    Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<jqk7405v6so6quo6s0u05rbsknbvrc40hb@4ax.com>. ..
    On 1 Mar 2004 13:35:15 -0800, zerge@hotmail.com (zerge) wrote: >Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<dcs04096r0jf8upkc3sfd7q25i7gr3jfs0@4ax.com>. .. >> On 27 Feb 2004 19:21:53 -0800, pomponiox@hotmail.com (Pomponio Magnus, >> Gobernador Constitucional del Estado Libre y Soberano de Tejas de >> Santa Anna) wrote: >> >> >Scipio <scippy@romans-r-us.net> wrote in message news:<a5lt30l8dfc4frqrk8i1th3l1p33qri5ff@4ax.com>. .. >> >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:47:23 GMT, "--=Cochise~||§||~Guardian=--" >> >> <jay*--REMOVE--*@alaskamail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >These lying Mexican savages are getting pretty nervous..... >> >> >_________________________________________ >> >> > >> >> >http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=77613 >> >> > >> >> >> >> Not nearly nervous enough. We'll know we're making good progress, when >> >> they are scared of saying anything, lest it make things worse for >> >> themselves. The trick is to keep raising the ante and push even more >> >> effective legislation, not argue with them on their own terms. Give >> >> them a political "attitude adjustment". They want to draw Americans >> >> into their bull**** arguements so that you're wasting your time and >> >> energy on them trading spitwads, rather then building momentum within >> >> your own people and politicians, the only people that can make things >> >> happen in our favor. >> > >> >"It is the Manifest Destiny of the Mexican People to recover the lands >> >stolen in 1847 and keep the better looking gringas." -- His >> >Excellency, don Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna >> >> Everybody sing along! >> >> "Ya can't talk to a maaan, with a taco in his haaaand..." > >Not if your monlingual! So, might as well learn Español! >www.studyspanish.com Calculate the probability of this American-type fellow learning Espanol, in order to better accomodate Illegals and Non-assimulating Others. It isn't like I, and most Americans for that matter, have urgent need to communicate better with your barely-monolingual colonists, zerge. I'm sure Mexicans would feel similarly, if there were a plague of American Trailertrash flooding your nation with tens of millions. A few will aspire to jobs that happen to require a lot of multi-lingual usage, but not that many. Additionally, Spanish is not an international language, apart from intercourse between hispano countries. So there is little educational value from that aspect. If I were to learn a new language(s) for that kind of reason, Spanish would be quite a way down the list As individuals, there is just as high a proportion of good people in a Mexican population as in the American population, or any other. But almost no one wants what the Mexican and latin-american nations have to offer, not language, not the authentic culture, nothing really, apart from a couple of specialty products. It's not that some of it isn't adapted to feed trend-seeking pop culture, but if all things of latino origin quietly disappeared tommorow, few would notice or feel a loss, apart from latinos of course.
    Well goodness gracious, of course! But believe me when I tell you, if the US where to dissapear tomorrow,millions upon millions of people would dance with happiness around theworld, regardless of the economic and cultural losses. Let's just sayyou have thrown your weight around carelessly during the past centuryOh, and just for the record, I would not be one of those dancing;despite everything, I DO like many things about the US.
    Ok, then parse out what you've just revealed there, and hear it again as someone with plain-old native interests. A people who carry a feeling inside that they would enjoy *dancing on your grave* are not people who you are going trust to work in your mutual interests (unless you are a candy-***, delusional american politician). It's a psychology thing. In fact they may very well volunteer to harm themselves in order to harm you. All the while speaking a public claim of friendship and/or a productive relationship. This is universal, incidentally: Couples do it, organizations do it, and nations do it. Another point follows: There is no cure for people like that. If you try to appease people who claim such injury, it immediately devolves into playing the apologetic clown for people who hate you and always will. Soon you will be running your actions by people, who in no way possess moral superiority, or any other sort. Quite typically, the realty is opposite. If you're familiar with post-60s race relations in the US, its associated poltical industry, then you'll know from where we got the harder lessons on that. If you succeed in meeting every claim of injury THEN they hate you because they don't respect you: why would they respect a big, powerful man who kisses their *** on demand? So you see, there is no winning for playing that game. Both of those points above are almost precisely descriptive of the relationship between Mexico and the US. People who deny those facts, and who are not dullards, are fight-mongers. I cannot call myself any better, I type on Usenet after all, but at least I'm not a jackass who'll deny all this, sure that I'm fooling everybody as I choose. A third observation apropos: The universal tendency to cling to a destructive mutual embrace, and increase it. In the apparent belief that the other person or party will either die, or change to your likng. This is one of the stupidest things human beings do, but will virtually always do, if you do not force them to decouple, and make sure they stay decoupled. You can reliably parse the well-meaning people on this issue from the real ****heads, by forcing this decision upon them. The ****heads will instinctively choose to stay in the embace, sure that they can "change" the opposition in their favor. All these things are principle pillars of the real relationship between the US and Mexico. It will NOT get better while that is so, and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it. Except decouple. The countries are not capable of pleasing each other whilst pleasing themselves. It will be at the expense of one or both nations. That will not change by way of any deliberate plan carried out for that purpose, and not in a time frame that anyone here would much care about.
    You speak the truth, and in an ellocuent manner. And unfortunately,
    this dynamic you describe is not only between the US and Mexico,
    although it is the dominant one for us. But the US, AND Mexico, has
    such "couplings" as you call them, with many countries in the world:
    China and Europe for example. We are living the painful process of
    globalization. At the end we may either reach a worldwide Utopia of
    peace and prosperity, or we may be back to the stone age. Either way,
    the path will be long and painful.
    The Nash Equilibrium Rules it ALL :/

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