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    The following is a list of Immigration field office telephone numbers. Choose the closest office to the alleged illegal activity. Report employers you suspect are employing illegal immigrants. Report individuals you suspect are illegal aliens.

    Telephone Numbers:
    (800) 375-5283 National Service Center
    (201) 645-2240 Newark, NJ
    (205) 591-0920 Birmingham, AL
    (207) 780-3440 Portland, MA
    (208) 334-1824 Boise, ID
    (210) 967-7035 San Antonio, TX
    (212) 264-5923 New York, NY
    (214) 905-5807 Dallas, TX
    (215) 656-7195 Philadelphia, PA
    (216) 522-4774 Cleveland, OH
    (303) 371-5028 Denver, CO
    (305) 762-3610 Miami, FL
    (307) 772-2040 Cheyenne, WY
    (312) 353-4465 Chicago, IL
    (313) 568-6042 Detroit, MI
    (314) 539-2538 St. Louis, MO
    (317) 226-6202 Indianapolis, IN
    (319) 364-3280 Cedar Rapids, IA
    (401) 528-5532 Providence, RI
    (402) 697-9154 Omaha, NE
    (404) 730-2841 Atlanta, GA
    (405) 231-4595 Oklahoma City, OK
    (406) 449-3991 Helena, MT
    (407) 855-4418 Orlando, FL
    (410) 962-7449 Baltimore, MD
    (412) 395-4463 Pittsburgh, PA
    (414) 297-1571 Milwaukee, WI
    (501) 646-4722 Ft. Smith, AK
    (502) 582-6953 Louisville, KY
    (504) 589-4120 New Orleans, LA
    (505) 248-7352 Albuquerque, NM
    (513) 684-2412 Cincinnati, OH
    (518) 431-0325 Albany, NY
    (601) 965-5878 Jackson, MS
    (602) 379-3116 Phoenix, AZ
    (603) 625-5276 Manchester, NH
    (612) 313-9040 Bloomington, MN
    (617) 565-3100 Boston, MA
    (619) 557-6011 San Diego, CA
    (702) 388-6414 Las Vegas, NV
    (703) 578-4901 Washington, DC
    (704) 672-6938 Charlotte, NC
    (757) 858-7502 Norfolk, VA
    (801) 265-0136 Salt Lake City, UT
    (802) 527-3191 St. Albans, VT
    (803) 727-4422 Charleston, SC
    (813) 288-1226 Tampa Bay, FL
    (816) 891-8350 Kansas City, KS
    (860) 240-3346 Hartford, CT
    (901) 544-0256 Memphis, TN
    (907) 474-1025 Fairbanks, AK
    (915) 540-1736 El Paso, TX


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    Yes, report them all, be a Hero!

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    Hate to break it to ya -- but the INS already has a HUGE list of illegal
    aliens and knows exactly where they are. They could care less if you
    call them. They only care about:



    1) Terrorists

    2) Fraud Rings

    3) Smugglers

    4) Criminal Aliens with warrants



    If the illegal doesn't fit any of those 4 -- it just goes in a file and
    never seen again.



    Now if you report an employer who employs 500 illegals -- they may be
    more interested in that.



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    If you report every employer who hires illegals you would have to
    report everyone. Just think that all the menial work that americans
    won't do is done by illegals. Remember that when you eat out, when you
    hire nanny, or landscape workers, your office gets cleaned at night.
    Not only that there hundreds of thousands of people who came here as
    students, received their SSN and are working everywhere. You won't
    have a lifetime to report everyone, and even if you did nothing would
    change. Good luck!

    edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net> wrote in message news:<e6bdffb5f515b5e8aab695db88ef92dc@cryptorebel s.net>...
    The following is a list of Immigration field office telephone numbers. Choose the closest office to the alleged illegal activity. Report employers you suspect are employing illegal immigrants. Report individuals you suspect are illegal aliens. Telephone Numbers: (800) 375-5283 National Service Center (201) 645-2240 Newark, NJ (205) 591-0920 Birmingham, AL (207) 780-3440 Portland, MA (208) 334-1824 Boise, ID (210) 967-7035 San Antonio, TX (212) 264-5923 New York, NY (214) 905-5807 Dallas, TX (215) 656-7195 Philadelphia, PA (216) 522-4774 Cleveland, OH (303) 371-5028 Denver, CO (305) 762-3610 Miami, FL (307) 772-2040 Cheyenne, WY (312) 353-4465 Chicago, IL (313) 568-6042 Detroit, MI (314) 539-2538 St. Louis, MO (317) 226-6202 Indianapolis, IN (319) 364-3280 Cedar Rapids, IA (401) 528-5532 Providence, RI (402) 697-9154 Omaha, NE (404) 730-2841 Atlanta, GA (405) 231-4595 Oklahoma City, OK (406) 449-3991 Helena, MT (407) 855-4418 Orlando, FL (410) 962-7449 Baltimore, MD (412) 395-4463 Pittsburgh, PA (414) 297-1571 Milwaukee, WI (501) 646-4722 Ft. Smith, AK (502) 582-6953 Louisville, KY (504) 589-4120 New Orleans, LA (505) 248-7352 Albuquerque, NM (513) 684-2412 Cincinnati, OH (518) 431-0325 Albany, NY (601) 965-5878 Jackson, MS (602) 379-3116 Phoenix, AZ (603) 625-5276 Manchester, NH (612) 313-9040 Bloomington, MN (617) 565-3100 Boston, MA (619) 557-6011 San Diego, CA (702) 388-6414 Las Vegas, NV (703) 578-4901 Washington, DC (704) 672-6938 Charlotte, NC (757) 858-7502 Norfolk, VA (801) 265-0136 Salt Lake City, UT (802) 527-3191 St. Albans, VT (803) 727-4422 Charleston, SC (813) 288-1226 Tampa Bay, FL (816) 891-8350 Kansas City, KS (860) 240-3346 Hartford, CT (901) 544-0256 Memphis, TN (907) 474-1025 Fairbanks, AK (915) 540-1736 El Paso, TX

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    On 5 Dec 2003 13:17:43 -0800, haliuna@my-deja.com (Haliuna) wrote:
    If you report every employer who hires illegals you would have toreport everyone. Just think that all the menial work that americanswon't do is done by illegals. Remember that when you eat out, when youhire nanny, or landscape workers, your office gets cleaned at night.Not only that there hundreds of thousands of people who came here asstudents, received their SSN and are working everywhere. You won'thave a lifetime to report everyone, and even if you did nothing wouldchange. Good luck!
    So you are saying that it is nothing but illegals that doo all of the
    work you mentioned? If you are and that is exactly what you said, then
    of course you have proven what a moron you are. Of course you lied.
    edo <nobody@cryptorebels.net> wrote in message news:<e6bdffb5f515b5e8aab695db88ef92dc@cryptorebel s.net>...
    The following is a list of Immigration field office telephone numbers. Choose the closest office to the alleged illegal activity. Report employers you suspect are employing illegal immigrants. Report individuals you suspect are illegal aliens. Telephone Numbers: (800) 375-5283 National Service Center (201) 645-2240 Newark, NJ (205) 591-0920 Birmingham, AL (207) 780-3440 Portland, MA (208) 334-1824 Boise, ID (210) 967-7035 San Antonio, TX (212) 264-5923 New York, NY (214) 905-5807 Dallas, TX (215) 656-7195 Philadelphia, PA (216) 522-4774 Cleveland, OH (303) 371-5028 Denver, CO (305) 762-3610 Miami, FL (307) 772-2040 Cheyenne, WY (312) 353-4465 Chicago, IL (313) 568-6042 Detroit, MI (314) 539-2538 St. Louis, MO (317) 226-6202 Indianapolis, IN (319) 364-3280 Cedar Rapids, IA (401) 528-5532 Providence, RI (402) 697-9154 Omaha, NE (404) 730-2841 Atlanta, GA (405) 231-4595 Oklahoma City, OK (406) 449-3991 Helena, MT (407) 855-4418 Orlando, FL (410) 962-7449 Baltimore, MD (412) 395-4463 Pittsburgh, PA (414) 297-1571 Milwaukee, WI (501) 646-4722 Ft. Smith, AK (502) 582-6953 Louisville, KY (504) 589-4120 New Orleans, LA (505) 248-7352 Albuquerque, NM (513) 684-2412 Cincinnati, OH (518) 431-0325 Albany, NY (601) 965-5878 Jackson, MS (602) 379-3116 Phoenix, AZ (603) 625-5276 Manchester, NH (612) 313-9040 Bloomington, MN (617) 565-3100 Boston, MA (619) 557-6011 San Diego, CA (702) 388-6414 Las Vegas, NV (703) 578-4901 Washington, DC (704) 672-6938 Charlotte, NC (757) 858-7502 Norfolk, VA (801) 265-0136 Salt Lake City, UT (802) 527-3191 St. Albans, VT (803) 727-4422 Charleston, SC (813) 288-1226 Tampa Bay, FL (816) 891-8350 Kansas City, KS (860) 240-3346 Hartford, CT (901) 544-0256 Memphis, TN (907) 474-1025 Fairbanks, AK (915) 540-1736 El Paso, TX

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    On 5 Dec 2003 13:17:43 -0800, haliuna@my-deja.com (Haliuna) opined:
    If you report every employer who hires illegals you would have toreport everyone. Just think that all the menial work that americanswon't do is done by illegals.
    Wrong. Americans always did the jobs you're talking about. They aren't now. Why? Because the wetback has
    driven wages down so low than a self respecting American can't live on them.

    You forgot to mention that cheap veggies aren't really that cheap, either. Take the taco bender who is picking
    cabbage for $40 a day. He's not paying enough taxes to pay for jack ****, and if his shack-up squirts out a
    couple of anchor babies that cost $8,000+ per year to educate in public schools, who the hell pays for that?
    Vicente Fox? Wetbacks never same taxpayers a dime. They are expensive to have around. If you want a pet, go
    to the animal shelter and adopt one. They are much more economical than a horde of horny squatters.
    Remember that when you eat out, when youhire nanny, or landscape workers, your office gets cleaned at night.
    Yes indeed. Remember that the next time you catch hepatitis, malaria, tuberculosis, brain parasites, or a host
    of other ailments trotted in by the despicable invader. What a deal.
    Not only that there hundreds of thousands of people who came here asstudents, received their SSN and are working everywhere. You won'thave a lifetime to report everyone, and even if you did nothing wouldchange. Good luck!
    How long do you think it would take things to change if the feds actually did their job? Maybe send a few of
    your criminal buddies home in suitcases?

    Nothing will change? Ha! Things would change overnight.


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    NEWSFLASH:



    Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving to
    death lately.



    Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in farms,
    and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to citizens
    of these countries to be without food or water.



    The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a few
    thousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out these
    poor citizens.



    Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own toilets.



    More at 11.



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    Once again, this discussion is so pointless as well as is pathetic.
    Prices, wages, etc., my ***. The wet backs are once again, feeding us
    bull ****!

    For example, over the past 20 years, the mid west meat cutting business
    has been inundated with wet backs. What has happened as a result is that
    wages have gone from $15 per hour about 15 years ago, to $9 at present.

    Now the question: How many of you have seen a reduction in the cost of
    meat as a result? None? Well, then, perhaps the story that the wetback
    keeps the price down is bull ****. Just like the rest of their arguments.

    We keep getting told that the price of veggies would skyrocket, well, that
    is simply MORE bull ****. The biggest product the wet back has to peddle
    is, you guessed it -- bull ****!

    Kitty II

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    On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:00:34 GMT, Kitty II <Kitty@INet.com> wrote:
    Once again, this discussion is so pointless as well as is pathetic.Prices, wages, etc., my ***. The wet backs are once again, feeding usbull ****!For example, over the past 20 years, the mid west meat cutting businesshas been inundated with wet backs. What has happened as a result is thatwages have gone from $15 per hour about 15 years ago, to $9 at present.Now the question: How many of you have seen a reduction in the cost ofmeat as a result? None? Well, then, perhaps the story that the wetbackkeeps the price down is bull ****. Just like the rest of their arguments.We keep getting told that the price of veggies would skyrocket, well, thatis simply MORE bull ****. The biggest product the wet back has to peddleis, you guessed it -- bull ****!Kitty II
    And this is exactly why I keep saying that it is not the illegals
    keeping the cost of produce down. It is the market and nothing else.

    GQ

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    On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:50:14 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:
    NEWSFLASH:Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving todeath lately.Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in farms,and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to citizensof these countries to be without food or water.The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a fewthousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out thesepoor citizens.
    Why don't we just give them ours?
    Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own toilets.More at 11.-= nav =-

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    Oliver, always so mad at the poor Mexican?





    Originally posted by Oliver Costich
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:50:14 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:

    NEWSFLASH:
    Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving to
    death lately.
    Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in farms,
    and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to citizens
    of these countries to be without food or water.
    The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a few
    thousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out these
    poor citizens.

    Why don't we just give them ours?
    Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own toilets.
    More at 11.
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    ps: They are human beings; I resent this thread; the adj.

    "illegal" does not make them "things" that you can give and take

    and in your case dislike. Poor people deserve respect and

    honor not redicule.





    Originally posted by Oliver Costich
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:50:14 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:

    NEWSFLASH:
    Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving to
    death lately.
    Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in farms,
    and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to citizens
    of these countries to be without food or water.
    The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a few
    thousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out these
    poor citizens.

    Why don't we just give them ours?
    Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own toilets.
    More at 11.
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    Originally posted by Edo
    The following is a list of Immigration field office telephone numbers. Choose the closest office to the alleged illegal activity. Report employers you suspect are employing illegal immigrants. Report individuals you suspect are illegal aliens.

    Telephone Numbers:
    (800) 375-5283 National Service Center
    (201) 645-2240 Newark, NJ
    (205) 591-0920 Birmingham, AL
    (207) 780-3440 Portland, MA
    (208) 334-1824 Boise, ID
    (210) 967-7035 San Antonio, TX
    (212) 264-5923 New York, NY
    (214) 905-5807 Dallas, TX
    (215) 656-7195 Philadelphia, PA
    (216) 522-4774 Cleveland, OH
    (303) 371-5028 Denver, CO
    (305) 762-3610 Miami, FL
    (307) 772-2040 Cheyenne, WY
    (312) 353-4465 Chicago, IL
    (313) 568-6042 Detroit, MI
    (314) 539-2538 St. Louis, MO
    (317) 226-6202 Indianapolis, IN
    (319) 364-3280 Cedar Rapids, IA
    (401) 528-5532 Providence, RI
    (402) 697-9154 Omaha, NE
    (404) 730-2841 Atlanta, GA
    (405) 231-4595 Oklahoma City, OK
    (406) 449-3991 Helena, MT
    (407) 855-4418 Orlando, FL
    (410) 962-7449 Baltimore, MD
    (412) 395-4463 Pittsburgh, PA
    (414) 297-1571 Milwaukee, WI
    (501) 646-4722 Ft. Smith, AK
    (502) 582-6953 Louisville, KY
    (504) 589-4120 New Orleans, LA
    (505) 248-7352 Albuquerque, NM
    (513) 684-2412 Cincinnati, OH
    (518) 431-0325 Albany, NY
    (601) 965-5878 Jackson, MS
    (602) 379-3116 Phoenix, AZ
    (603) 625-5276 Manchester, NH
    (612) 313-9040 Bloomington, MN
    (617) 565-3100 Boston, MA
    (619) 557-6011 San Diego, CA
    (702) 388-6414 Las Vegas, NV
    (703) 578-4901 Washington, DC
    (704) 672-6938 Charlotte, NC
    (757) 858-7502 Norfolk, VA
    (801) 265-0136 Salt Lake City, UT
    (802) 527-3191 St. Albans, VT
    (803) 727-4422 Charleston, SC
    (813) 288-1226 Tampa Bay, FL
    (816) 891-8350 Kansas City, KS
    (860) 240-3346 Hartford, CT
    (901) 544-0256 Memphis, TN
    (907) 474-1025 Fairbanks, AK
    (915) 540-1736 El Paso, TX


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    "illegal" does not make them "things"


    They're not things. We call them ILLEGAL ALIENS, not ILLEGAL PEOPLE.



    Fine "undocumented immigrants" if that makes you feel better. It's the
    same **** thing.



    Funny how some people are so illega-alien -- as long as those 500
    mexcians and columbians don't move into their pretty white upper-class
    neighbourhoods. When 10 mexicans move into your house next door and
    park their $500 vehicles in the driveway, and have 30 kids -- then
    post here.



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    Oliver,



    I was telling you that (most) people who are against immigration,

    sound to me that they dislike immigrants who are not just

    like them. I said you can tell the difference

    because I knew an example would come up as now, alas

    I have seen far worst. You said you can.



    OK, So how does this supernaive guy sound to you? In all

    fairness, you may be an honorable man, but in general when

    I see this over and over again, what am I to conclude?

    Is he *primarily* concerned with the environmental problems

    and macro-economics?



    Furthermore, is there not some element of race is his language?

    He clearly implies I am white? But how does he know that?

    What he has really told us is that HE is white and the mexicans

    are not. Is this not a logical conclusion?





    Originally posted by Oliver Costich
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:50:14 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:

    NEWSFLASH:
    Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving to
    death lately.
    Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in farms,
    and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to citizens
    of these countries to be without food or water.
    The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a few
    thousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out these
    poor citizens.

    Why don't we just give them ours?
    Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own toilets.
    More at 11.
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    What I'm saying all these so called "pro-illegal" supporters are
    two-faced.



    They don't care if all these illegals move into my city (long beach, ca)
    as long as they don't move into their nice little villas in upstate New
    York, or Aspen, Colorado.



    Illegals affect me a LOT more than it affects others. I got hit by
    an illegal with no DL or no insurance. Guess who picked up the tab?
    Yep -- MY insurance company. Who fills up all the rental housing in
    my city thus driving up prices on apts from $500-$1200/month?
    Illegals. Who drive on the freeway and take up a space in the car
    lane and thus increase the traffic jams i spend on the way to work
    every day? Illegals.



    Need I go on.



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    just read this if these things will happen more and more frequently,
    there is chance
    of violent reaction

    http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/...adlines-queens



    "drvr1" <member18662@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    news:1104760.1070879299@britishexpats.com...
    The language above lacks respect and you know it. I am not PC. And this is also directed to those who think, they are defending them not just Oliver and you. All those 30 kids would be the childeren of God and hey my first car was about that much so what? You see, you imply poor people are somehow replusive? Or only poor people who are also "illegal" don't please you? Mexicans I know are good Catholic familes even if poor. Go to Vatican and tell them to let people use condoms; it's not their fault. Originally posted by supernav
    "illegal" does not make them "things" They're not things. We call them ILLEGAL ALIENS, not ILLEGAL PEOPLE. Fine "undocumented immigrants" if that makes you feel better. It's the same **** thing. Funny how some people are so illega-alien -- as long as those 500 mexcians and columbians don't move into their pretty white upper-class neighbourhoods. When 10 mexicans move into your house next door and park their $500 vehicles in the driveway, and have 30 kids -- then post here.
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    On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 06:41:12 +0000, drvr1
    <member18662@british_expats.com> wrote:
    ps: They are human beings; I resent this thread; the adj."illegal" does not make them "things" that you can give and takeand in your case dislike. Poor people deserve respect andhonor not redicule.Originally posted by Oliver Costich
    No it wasn't. What you are responding to is not from me. Learn how to
    operate a newsreader. If you can't master that, what merit should we
    ascribe to your opinions?
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:50:14 +0000, supernav <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:NEWSFLASH:Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving todeath lately.Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in farms,and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to citizensof these countries to be without food or water.The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a fewthousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out thesepoor citizens. Why don't we just give them ours?Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own toilets.More at 11.-= nav =-

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    On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:11:21 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:
    "illegal" does not make them "things"
    They're not things. We call them ILLEGAL ALIENS, not ILLEGAL PEOPLE.Fine "undocumented immigrants" if that makes you feel better. It's thesame **** thing.
    Let's go all the way and make that "improperly documented" which
    implies that it's our fault they are illegals.
    Funny how some people are so illega-alien -- as long as those 500mexcians and columbians don't move into their pretty white upper-classneighbourhoods. When 10 mexicans move into your house next door andpark their $500 vehicles in the driveway, and have 30 kids -- thenpost here.-= nav =-

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    It was not a reply to you. It was an observation posed to

    you. Just because the square us called "reply"...

    Think outside the bix.







    Originally posted by Oliver Costich
    On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 06:41:12 +0000, drvr1
    <member18662@british_expats.com> wrote:

    ps: They are human beings; I resent this thread; the adj.
    "illegal" does not make them "things" that you can give and take
    and in your case dislike. Poor people deserve respect and
    honor not redicule.
    Originally posted by Oliver Costich

    No it wasn't. What you are responding to is not from me. Learn how to
    operate a newsreader. If you can't master that, what merit should we
    ascribe to your opinions?

    On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:50:14 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >NEWSFLASH:
    >Citizens of Canada, Germany, UK and Japan are all starving
    to
    >death lately.
    >Researchers found that the lack of ILLEGAL MEXICANS working in
    farms,
    >and cleaning toilets and working restaurants -- were leading to
    citizens
    >of these countries to be without food or water.
    >The United Nations have been called in to perhaps air-lift a
    few
    >thousand illegal mexicans to these countries to help out
    these
    >poor citizens.
    Why don't we just give them ours?
    >Otherwise German Citizens may have to clean their own
    toilets.
    >More at 11.
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    Did you not see this post? I did respond.





    Here is a bit more analysis on George J. Borjas by Sarah Kabir

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    Popular belief regarding immigration is that immigrants take away jobs,
    especially those from racial minorities, create unemployment and depress
    wages. Numerous studies have been done in assessing the impact of
    immigration on native wages, but, their results vary significantly.The
    impact of immigration on the wages of competing native-born workers is
    very small. This is because American economy is extremely large and
    complex, running at 7.6 trillion dollars a year, and that a very big
    increase in the supply of workers would be required to seriously affect
    such an economy. Since, the aggregate increase in the supply of labor
    caused by immigration in the U.S. is low, the impact of immigration on
    the wages of competing native-born workers is also small. In addition,
    the effect seems to be dispersed across the country because competing
    native workers migrate out of the areas to which immigrants move.







    Although the aggregate increase in the supply of labor due to
    immigration might be small at the national level, it might be
    significant in the geographical areas with high concentration of
    immigrants. Simultaneously, less-educated black workers might feel
    heavier impacts due to increased supply because their skills resemble
    closely those of most immigrants.There is a numerically weak
    relationship between native wages and immigration across all types of
    native workers, white and black, skilled and unskilled, male and female.
    The only group that have suffered some adverse effects is the earlier
    immigrant cohort, but not the black Americans, since the majority of the
    latter group happen to reside in states not inhabited by most immigrants



    Jorge Borjas argues that shifts in the sources of immigration have had
    significant economic consequences, firstly, because the skills of the
    successive immigrant cohorts emerging mainly from less-developed nations
    were not as strong as their earlier counterparts from industrialized
    countries and, secondly, because of these sizable cohort effects, there
    was much less convergence between the earnings of immigrants and natives
    than was previously believed. According to Borjas, the combination of
    relatively low skills and sluggish wage growth suggested that the
    immigrants who arrived in the 1970s would not attain wage parity with
    the U.S.-born workers during their working lives.The decline in the
    relative wages of successive immigrant waves continued into the 1980s
    and that the earnings of Mexican and Asian immigrants, the two groups
    making up the majority of recent immigration, would not converge to the
    earnings of their earlier counterparts of the same origin.







    The same is true for a study conducted by Augustine J. Kposowa, who
    assessed the impact of immigration on unemployment and earnings among
    racial minorities in the U.S. He assumed that employers would hire only
    to maximize their profits and lower their costs and would turn to
    immigrants instead of native minorities if the former can provide the
    same level of skills at a lower price. Hence, a competition between the
    two groups might evolve and employers would take advantage by reducing
    wages. Kposowa's empirical study showed that increases in immigration in
    the 1970s and 1980s have had significant negative effects on
    unemployment levels among racial minorities. This is because immigrants
    were substitutes for native U.S.-born workers who possessed very low
    levels of skills and education.







    Since immigrants were willing to accept lower wages, they were preferred
    over the natives by profit-driven employers. Immigration has had a
    negative impact on minority income in the 1980s even after adjusting for
    human capital variables and minority skill levels. Two possible
    explanations were offered for this finding. Firstly, immigrants,
    especially the low-skilled ones, added to the supply of labor in the
    secondary labor market. When supply exceeded demand, employers did not
    raise wages, which depressed the native minority earnings because most
    minorities were in direct competition with the immigrants for jobs
    located at the peripheral sector of the economy. Secondly, some
    employers chose immigrants to break strikes, unions etc. because in fear
    of unemployment, the immigrants accepted whatever wages the employers
    were willing to offer. This, once again, lowered minority wage levels
    within the economy. That is why, Kposowa contended, that immigration of
    less skilled workers has promoted job loss, lowered earnings and reduced
    occupational mobility for native non-whites in the U.S.







    Staughton Lewis cited a common misconception that there are fixed number
    of jobs in the economy and as immigrants enter the labor market, natives
    are displaced on a one-to-one basis. This fallacy does not take into
    account the stimulating effect that immigration has on the economy in
    terms of technical improvement and capital accumulation and that in the
    long run there might be expansion of the economy and that the employment
    level might actually increase. According to Lewis, problems might arise
    only when there are fixed number of jobs in the economy, the immigrants
    are perfect substitutes of the natives in terms of skills and output
    capacity, and that immigrants are willing to work for lower wages than
    their native counterparts.







    A brief theoretical analysis could be reviewed to demonstrate how
    classical economics predicts the effects on native earnings after the
    inflow of immigrants into the labor market. With the assumption that all
    labor consists of two homogenous groups: natives and immigrants, an
    increase in substitute immigrant labor would cause an increase in the
    total supply of labor and a decrease in native wages. In the short-run,
    as substitute immigrants enter the market, wages drop. In the long-run,
    native labor supply drops, as natives leave the job market because of
    low wages and the immigrants step in to take the jobs performed earlier
    by the natives.







    A situation different from that shown above would prevail if immigrants
    and natives happen to be complements instead of being substitutes. If
    they are complements, natives can gain both employment and wages by
    specializing in those industries and occupations in which they have a
    comparative advantage. Hence, with an increase in immigrant labor,
    greater demand is generated for native labor which is reflected in the
    labor demand curve shifting upwards. As a result, the equilibrium wage
    rate of native labor rises, and the quantity of native labor that is
    employed increases.







    Lewis attempted to find out whether immigrants are complements or
    substitutes for native labor in the U.S..He found that both negative and
    positive impacts of immigration on native earnings and employment are
    possible. One of Lewis findings was that results of the empirical
    evidence vary according to region or industry. For example, in New York
    City, black and Hispanic immigrants are substitutes for the natives of
    the same origin residing in the U.S., while in the South, illegal
    Hispanic immigrants are competing with native Hispanics.







    The same nature of variation in the impact of immigration can be
    observed across industries since studies show construction,
    manufacturing and contract cleaning sectors to be most affected by
    immigrants while food service and agriculture being benefited due to the
    complementary nature of work undertaken by immigrants and natives.
    Although the popular belief is that only the secondary sector is
    affected while the primary sector remains unaffected by immigration, in
    the long-run, as immigrants gain education and crucial labor skills,
    they might be competing for middle management positions in industries in
    the primary sector in the years to come. So, over time, the primary
    sector might be more affected than the secondary one due to immigration.







    Although there seems to agreement as to whether immigrants adversely
    affect natives' earnings and employment, there are some clear benefits
    of immigration. In the absence of immigration inflow, jobs performed by
    immigrants would either have to be filled by natives or would not be
    performed at all. The presence of immigration causes a reallocation of
    labor across different sectors of the economy which changes the mix of
    goods and services that the natives consume and in turn brings about a
    fall in prices, even if it takes away jobs from certain natives in the
    short-run.









    References:



    1) George J. Borjas, "Assimilation and Changes in Cohort Quality
    Revisited: What Happened to Immigrant Earnings in the 1980s?"
    National Bureau of Economic Research, 1996.



    2) Augustine J. Kposowa, "The Impact of Immigration on Unemployment and
    Earnings among Racial Minorities in the United States", in Ethnic and
    Racial Studies, Volume 18, Number 3, July 1995, pp. 605-628.



    3) National Research Council, "Immigration's Effect on Jobs and Wages:
    Empirical Evidence (Impact of Immigrants on Native Earnings and
    Employment)" in The New Americans: Economic, Demographic and Fiscal
    Effects of Immigration, edited by James P. Smith and Barry
    Edmonsten, National Academy Press, Washington, D.C., 1997, Chapter
    5, pp. 219-230 .



    4) Staughton Y. Lewis, "Impacts of Immigration on U.S. Natives'
    Employment and Earnings: A Summary of the Evidence" in Thomas J.
    Espenshade, (editor), A Stone's Throw From Ellis Island: Economic
    Implications of Immigration to New Jersey, University Press of
    America, Lanham, Maryland, 1994, Chapter 4, pp. 169-215.


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    You start by assotiation with toilet cleaning and folksy

    third person talk between the "legal" people who want

    to transport people around.... and where do you

    end up? ... your co-thinkers want to mine and shoot

    unarmed people. That's the kind of talk I see here by

    people who are just illegal immigration, right.



    This is not just heartless, it's criminal. This time I am

    responding to something you said , indirect affirmation

    of cold blooded murder of unarmed people.



    Originally posted by Oliver Costich
    On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:11:21 +0000, supernav
    <member16283@british_expats.com> wrote:

    "illegal" does not make them "things"
    They're not things. We call them ILLEGAL ALIENS, not ILLEGAL PEOPLE.
    Fine "undocumented immigrants" if that makes you feel better. It's the
    same **** thing.

    Let's go all the way and make that "improperly documented" which
    implies that it's our fault they are illegals.

    Funny how some people are so illega-alien -- as long as those 500
    mexcians and columbians don't move into their pretty white upper- class
    neighbourhoods. When 10 mexicans move into your house next door and
    park their $500 vehicles in the driveway, and have 30 kids -- then
    post here.
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    Originally posted by Edo
    The following is a list of Immigration field office telephone numbers. Choose the closest office to the alleged illegal activity. Report employers you suspect are employing illegal immigrants. Report individuals you suspect are illegal aliens.

    Telephone Numbers:
    (800) 375-5283 National Service Center
    (201) 645-2240 Newark, NJ
    (205) 591-0920 Birmingham, AL
    (207) 780-3440 Portland, MA
    (208) 334-1824 Boise, ID
    (210) 967-7035 San Antonio, TX
    (212) 264-5923 New York, NY
    (214) 905-5807 Dallas, TX
    (215) 656-7195 Philadelphia, PA
    (216) 522-4774 Cleveland, OH
    (303) 371-5028 Denver, CO
    (305) 762-3610 Miami, FL
    (307) 772-2040 Cheyenne, WY
    (312) 353-4465 Chicago, IL
    (313) 568-6042 Detroit, MI
    (314) 539-2538 St. Louis, MO
    (317) 226-6202 Indianapolis, IN
    (319) 364-3280 Cedar Rapids, IA
    (401) 528-5532 Providence, RI
    (402) 697-9154 Omaha, NE
    (404) 730-2841 Atlanta, GA
    (405) 231-4595 Oklahoma City, OK
    (406) 449-3991 Helena, MT
    (407) 855-4418 Orlando, FL
    (410) 962-7449 Baltimore, MD
    (412) 395-4463 Pittsburgh, PA
    (414) 297-1571 Milwaukee, WI
    (501) 646-4722 Ft. Smith, AK
    (502) 582-6953 Louisville, KY
    (504) 589-4120 New Orleans, LA
    (505) 248-7352 Albuquerque, NM
    (513) 684-2412 Cincinnati, OH
    (518) 431-0325 Albany, NY
    (601) 965-5878 Jackson, MS
    (602) 379-3116 Phoenix, AZ
    (603) 625-5276 Manchester, NH
    (612) 313-9040 Bloomington, MN
    (617) 565-3100 Boston, MA
    (619) 557-6011 San Diego, CA
    (702) 388-6414 Las Vegas, NV
    (703) 578-4901 Washington, DC
    (704) 672-6938 Charlotte, NC
    (757) 858-7502 Norfolk, VA
    (801) 265-0136 Salt Lake City, UT
    (802) 527-3191 St. Albans, VT
    (803) 727-4422 Charleston, SC
    (813) 288-1226 Tampa Bay, FL
    (816) 891-8350 Kansas City, KS
    (860) 240-3346 Hartford, CT
    (901) 544-0256 Memphis, TN
    (907) 474-1025 Fairbanks, AK
    (915) 540-1736 El Paso, TX




    Well if you didn't know you'd think this was the USSR rather than the
    USA where everyone was primed to spy on their neighbours.



    So much for the home of the brave and the land of the free - more like
    home of the paranoid and land of the free to do nothing.


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    This is not America I know. Please don't mix these people up with

    good people of this country.





    Originally posted by Sunlover
    Well if you didn't know you'd think this was the USSR rather than the USA where everyone was primed to spy on their neighbours.
    So much for the home of the brave and the land of the free - more like
    home of the paranoid and land of the free to do nothing.


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    was primed to spy on their neighbours.


    I will agree with you on this.



    I may see a mexican down the street, but I'm *not* an Immigration
    inspector, or have a immigration database in front of me, or even have a
    law enforcement badge to even hint at guessing or asking if someone is
    legal or illegal.



    Leave the immigration enforcement up to the people who have access to
    the national databases, and can actually verify and enforce it. It's
    only worth "submitting info" if you have *VERIFIABLE* proof of
    someone breaking the law. Just being pissed at someone, and you
    "believe" they're illegal means squat, and the IS will take your
    report and toss it away.



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    Like there are not real terrible crimes going on that these people

    want to trun America into a police state, complete with

    shooting squads for their final solution.





    Originally posted by supernav
    was primed to spy on their neighbours.

    I will agree with you on this.

    I may see a mexican down the street, but I'm *not* an Immigration inspector, or have a immigration database in front of me, or even have a law enforcement badge to even hint at guessing or asking if someone is legal or illegal.

    Leave the immigration enforcement up to the people who have access to the national databases, and can actually verify and enforce it. It's only worth "submitting info" if you have *VERIFIABLE* proof of someone breaking the law. Just being pissed at someone, and you "believe" they're illegal means squat, and the IS will take your report and toss it away.
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    "Sunlover" <member11790@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    news:1108763.1071047972@britishexpats.com...
    Originally posted by Edo
    The following is a list of Immigration field office telephone numbers. Choose the closest office to the alleged illegal activity. Report employers you suspect are employing illegal immigrants. Report individuals you suspect are illegal aliens.
    ............
    (915) 540-1736 El Paso, TX Well if you didn't know you'd think this was the USSR rather than the USA where everyone was primed to spy on their neighbours. So much for the home of the brave and the land of the free - more like home of the paranoid and land of the free to do nothing.
    People's reactions to illegal immigration in the U.S. is not based on
    paranoia. It is based on the unpleasant experience we have had with it. Much
    is said of the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor and the words of Emma
    Lazarus's poem inscribed below it, "Give me your tired, your poor, your
    huddled masses yearning to breathe free.". Please remember the statue was a
    gift from France and that France doesn't tolerate anywhere near on a per
    capita basis what the U.S. does in numbers of illegal immigrants. Many if
    not most illegal immigrants in France were in camps near the Chunnel
    entrance trying to get into Britain the last time I heard.




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    I am not an economist. But, benefits in a comlex economy

    are not exclusive to people with igher wages and the

    costsare not all on the poor. This is not what I have come

    to understand.



    Look, I agree with seriously working to end illegal

    immigration. But, sky is not falling. You guys are so angry;

    it's not as big of deal as you make it up to be. When I see

    claims like illegal immigrants are causing deforestation,

    when I hear things like shoot them.....



    We can handle the problem. A reduction of say 50% target.

    More money for the border control,

    guest worker plan for people near the border who

    really do go up and down the border or will if we give

    them the choice? Investing in the border area on both

    sides of the border? fines and jail for people who hire them?

    Investing and advocating family planning?

    I know you say it will cost us money. But please be realistic,

    these people are our neighbors, we cannot shoot them or

    build a wall. You will not get the votes anyway because



    "The impact of immigration on the wages of competing native-born workers
    is very small"



    I understand people like supernav have a point about

    the local impact and social problems. But, how about

    a middle way? I mean a compromise which is realistic and

    moves in the right direction. It's wrong and in todays situation

    unwise to cause resentment across the border by heavy handed

    measures. And we really cannot deport hundereds of

    thousands of people many with small childeren. How are you

    going to do it? Round them up using informers and then

    put them on train? imagine the pictures and headlines.

    We have enough enemies. 19 crazy basterds did us so

    much harm. Calm down and think.





    1) Numerous studies have been done in assessing the impact of
    immigration on native wages, but, their results vary
    significantly.The impact of immigration on the wages of competing native-
    born workers is very small. This is because American economy is
    extremely large and complex, running at 7.6 trillion dollars a year,
    and that a very big increase in the supply of workers would be
    required to seriously affect such an economy. Since, the aggregate
    increase in the supply of labor caused by immigration in the U.S. is
    low, the impact of immigration on the wages of competing native-born
    workers is also small. In addition, the effect seems to be dispersed
    across the country because competing native workers migrate out of
    the areas to which immigrants move.







    2)Although the aggregate increase in the supply of labor due to
    immigration might be small at the national level, it might be
    significant in the geographical areas with high concentration of
    immigrants. Simultaneously, less-educated black workers might feel
    heavier impacts due to increased supply because their skills
    resemble closely those of most immigrants.There is a numerically
    weak relationship between native wages and immigration across all
    types of native workers, white and black, skilled and unskilled,
    male and female.





    3)The only group that have suffered some adverse effects is the earlier
    immigrant cohort, but not the black Americans, since the majority of
    the latter group happen to reside in states not inhabited by most
    immigrants







    4)Although there seems to agreement as to whether immigrants adversely
    affect natives' earnings and employment, there are some clear benefits
    of immigration. In the absence of immigration inflow, jobs performed
    by immigrants would either have to be filled by natives or would not
    be performed at all. The presence of immigration causes a reallocation
    of labor across different sectors of the economy which changes the mix
    of goods and services that the natives consume and in turn brings
    about a fall in prices, even if it takes away jobs from certain
    natives in the short-run.


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    I guess we should get out of iraq, because they think the same about us
    invading across their borders



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    Kitty, prices can be a WHOOOOLE LOT WORSE, without illegals, WHO WILL BE
    WORKIN THE FIELDS?.......................YOU? If so, then I guess our food
    item prices would skyrocket, because you may or will not deal with the
    weather elements, snakes, insects, and the dust. And we sa dont wanna
    peeeeeerty lil MS KIIIITTY GET DIRTY, DO WE?



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