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    As a "straight" Roman Catholic I totally support gay marriage. In fact
    the two witnesses at my own wedding will be my best friend who's gay and
    her partner.

    I really can't see why people feel remotely threatened by
    it. Off at a tangent but at the stables where I used to keep my horse,
    there was a gay goat!


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    I URGE all our regular posters (travel, andrew) to PLEASE just ingore
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    DCMark wrote:
    I URGE all our regular posters (travel, andrew) to PLEASE just ingore Dave Wilkerson's posts here. Please. He stayed away almost two weeks, but he is back Just don't take the bait please.
    He's been killfiled.

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    headmaster wrote:
    I did not write the bible, so you are only arguing with those that did. The day is coming when every knee will bow and every mouth will admit that Jesus Christ is Lord. you can chose to believe your vanity, or you can seek the wisdom of God. Only a fool will say that there is no God.
    I didn't say that, I only commented on whether everything in the Bible
    was what God intended, especially saying that gays should be killed,
    which seems to go against the commandment that says "Thous shall not kill"




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    Rete wrote:
    Just love when people quote the bible and tell us that it is the word of God. The bible is nothing more than the written version or recollections of others who purported these words, thoughts and directives to have been said or decreed by a person they believed to be the human incarnation of a supreme being. These accounts were often written tens of years after the so-called actual occurrence. One knows what happens to memory when it is distorted by time and altered by discussions with others. Liken it to the game of telephone.
    Not only that but it was written in ancient languages and transcribed
    many, many times. The potential for transcription errors is enormous,
    yet bible thumpers will try to convince you of it's 100% authenticity.
    And not only transcription errors but one must thing of cultural errors
    (something we all know about having foreign spouses) and time
    differences (things way back then don't translate well even if the
    language remains the same).
    Heaven, if there is one, must be one heck of a lonely place. I don't know one person, past or present, who could claim entrance.
    Oh there are millions who would "claim" entrance. Claiming it and
    attaining it are two entirely different things. Don't believe it exists
    at all personally.
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    Originally posted by sibsie
    Same here! I'm in the
    middle of a really good book called Under The Banner of Heaven that
    deals with the Mormon religion. Gripping but very distrubing reading.


    Hi Sibs,

    Which continent are you posting from? I've missed
    your posts here lately.

    Since I know you're an avid reader, have you
    ever read any of the Joseph Campbell stuff? This whole thread has
    become about religion so I don't feel bad going even more OT. It was
    after reading The Power of the Myth, I actually stopped feeling stupid
    for believing in God. Campbell's publications clearly and concisely
    articulated what I had been attempting to put together for myself. I
    had never felt comfortable in (any) church, didn't buy any of the crap I
    was being fed, but for some reason always felt spiritual and connected
    to God. There are real and important reasons for all of the religions
    and belief systems that have emerged. It is not necessary for any one
    person to accept any of them, they stand on their own and do not require
    a "fan club". So the idiots that say, "You'll go to Hell if you don't
    do this or that...." are essentially blowing smoke up our collective
    asses. If someone tells me, "This is what I believe I need to do
    ......" in order to obtain entrance into heaven, or spiritual
    enlightenment, or whatever their particular goal for the after-life or
    next-life, is someone I am always interested in listening to.

    Anyway,
    about that gay goat.....................


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    Originally posted by ray6
    I am on a "peace to all"
    kick today..(well nearly all) and after reading all this thread ...an
    old Donavan song just came in to my mind... which I though was apt:
    Really? I'm on a pissed off about people that make fun
    of other people kick today. The Devil isn't a horned guy residing in a
    burning pyre at the center of the earth. The Devil is the guy/girl
    right next door. He/she smiles to your face while secretly hating
    anybody that doesn't look, act, or think just like him. He plots to
    shave away your rights and does it all in the name of God. I thought
    this old Rolling Stones cut was apt:

    Please allow me to introduce
    myself
    I’m a man of wealth and taste
    I’ve been around for a long, long
    year
    Stole many a man’s soul and faith
    And I was ’round when jesus
    christ
    Had his moment of doubt and pain
    Made **** sure that pilate

    Washed his hands and sealed his fate
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess
    my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game
    I stuck around
    st. petersburg
    When I saw it was a time for a change
    Killed the czar and
    his ministers
    Anastasia screamed in vain
    I rode a tank
    Held a general’s
    rank
    When the blitzkrieg raged
    And the bodies stank
    Pleased to meet you

    Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
    Ah, what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature
    of my game, oh yeah
    I watched with glee
    While your kings and queens

    Fought for ten decades
    For the gods they made
    I shouted out,
    Who killed
    the kennedys?
    When after all
    It was you and me
    Let me please introduce
    myself
    I’m a man of wealth and taste
    And I laid traps for troubadours

    Who get killed before they reached bombay
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you
    guessed my name, oh yeah
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my
    game, oh yeah, get down, baby
    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my
    name, oh yeah
    But what’s confusing you
    Is just the nature of my game

    Just as every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints
    As heads is
    tails
    Just call me lucifer
    ’cause I’m in need of some restraint
    So if
    you meet me
    Have some courtesy
    Have some sympathy, and some taste
    Use
    all your well-learned politesse
    Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
    But what’s
    puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
    Woo, who
    Oh
    yeah, get on down
    Oh yeah
    Oh yeah!
    Tell me baby, what’s my name
    Tell me
    honey, can ya guess my name
    Tell me baby, what’s my name
    I tell you one
    time, you’re to blame
    Ooo, who
    Ooo, who
    Ooo, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo,
    who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Oh, yeah
    What’s me name
    Tell me,
    baby, what’s my name
    Tell me, sweetie, what’s my name
    Ooo, who, who

    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who
    Ooo, who, who

    Ooo, who, who
    Oh, yeah


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    I'm kind of behind on this topic, and it's shifted a bit since the first
    few pages, but here's my input...

    I'm not sure why the gay issue is
    still such a big deal. You would think that in this day and age the
    "Equal Rights" movement wouldn't be necessary anymore. After all the
    fighting that has already taken place, such as black's rights, women's
    rights, etc that the gay issue would automatically fall in that category
    (and not be an issue anymore). If this country really did have a
    seperation of church and state then this wouldn't even be an issue.
    Obviously the church does have influence, otherwise gay's would
    be treated as equal's. I also don't understand how gay's having the same
    rights is hurting anyone. You're not forced to marry them, so how are
    they a problem?
    So if you can't bare the sight of seeing gay's kiss,
    can you also not bare the sight of straight's kissing?
    In case you
    haven't been able to tell, I think gay's should have the same rights as
    straight's. And of course that would include immigration. So much about
    equality for all...


    Leslie, the only pro that Patrick and I have
    noticed as far as a married benefit goes is the fact that our car
    insurance went down. At first we were scared to add me because we
    thought it would go up, but instead it went down. Aparently being
    married means you're less likely to take risks.


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    Steffi wrote:
    I'm not sure why the gay issue is still such a big deal. You would think that in this day and age the "Equal Rights" movement wouldn't be necessary anymore. After all the fighting that has already taken place, such as black's rights, women's rights, etc that the gay issue would automatically fall in that category (and not be an issue anymore).
    I think the way that they think is this: What if some radical group,
    what that you really believe is evil (examples might be the Jim Jones',
    David Koresh's and that cult up in Oregon) wishes to have "equal
    rights". You'd probably not want to see that happen because you really
    believe that they are evil and if left unchecked will cause a decay of
    the social structure (note I'm not saying that I believe this at all,
    rather it's how I think that they see it. Of course they could explain
    it themselves but they get too washed up in thumping the bible).
    If this country really did have a seperation of church and state then this wouldn't even be an issue.
    Change the word country to society and I'd agree with you.
    Obviously the church does have influence,
    Of course they do - just like any other group of people.
    otherwise gay's would be treated as equal's. I also don't understand how gay's having the same rights is hurting anyone.
    I think they think (again it's me playing devils advocate here) that if
    allowed it would become too prevalent and contribute to that awful
    "decay in moral values". Look at it this way. When I grew up the media
    was a lot more censored and things like divorce where frowned upon.
    Today we have boobs a flying on the tube and I hear all sorts of what
    were once considered "bad words" freely spoken on the TV and radio. In a
    sense young people today get bombarded a lot more with such images and
    spoken words, etc. Is this hurting our society? I'd say somewhat. So I
    think they see it as yet another thing decaying society.
    You're not forced to marry them, so how are they a problem? So if you can't bare the sight of seeing gay's kiss, can you also not bare the sight of straight's kissing?
    I don't know about you but seeing straights kiss doesn't bother me. I
    remember the first time I saw gays kiss and yes it bothered me. It was
    odd or different. I realize that this is based on my upbringing and I
    can understand that gays might have a similar feeling seeing straights
    kiss. As such all I can say is that I'll have to bear it and get used to
    it - no biggie.
    In case you haven't been able to tell, I think gay's should have the same rights as straight's. And of course that would include immigration. So much about equality for all...
    I agree that gays should have the same rights as straights.
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    Andrew: The cult in Oregon was the Bog-wan-shri-rashnish, bunch of
    nutcases. I grew up in Portland and remeber their hotel in downtown
    Portland

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    Originally posted by Andrew Defaria
    Change the word
    country to society and I'd agree with you.
    That works for me.


    Originally posted by Andrew Defaria
    I think they
    think (again it's me playing devils advocate here) that if allowed it
    would become too prevalent and contribute to that awful "decay in moral
    values". Look at it this way. When I grew up the media was a lot more
    censored and things like divorce where frowned upon. Today we have boobs
    a flying on the tube and I hear all sorts of what were once considered
    "bad words" freely spoken on the TV and radio. In a sense young people
    today get bombarded a lot more with such images and
    spoken words,
    etc. Is this hurting our society? I'd say somewhat. So I think they see
    it as yet another thing decaying society.
    Hmmm....well you have
    to remember that times are always changing. Remember when it was
    "shocking" for women to show an ankle? I'm sure people said society is
    decaying back in those days as well.


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    Originally posted by ScottHenshaw
    Andrew: The cult in
    Oregon was the Bog-wan-shri-rashnish, bunch of nutcases. I grew up in
    Portland and remeber their hotel in downtown Portland
    Scott

    Bog-wan-shri-rashnish is not a town, it is the kind of racks
    I get at scrabble.


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    Originally posted by doctor scrumpy
    Bog-wan-shri-
    rashnish is not a town, it is the kind of racks I get at scrabble.



    Doctor,

    The Bog-wan was not a town but an occult which was
    located in Oregon. I probably got the spelling wrong, but if anyone is
    interested the correct spelling is, "Bhagwan Shri Rashneesh" and I
    assume that google might have some info. I am pretty sure that the group
    has since been disbanded.

    Steffi,

    There are still parts of this world
    were a showing a little ankle not be tolerated. Not sure where, but I
    think that Janette Jackson is going to be doing a concert there soon


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    Rockgurl wrote:
    What about all those others that don't have my professional skills? Who will look out for them?
    I've already said that I believe the law should be changed.

    Why do you think somebody needs to look out for somebody else?

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    Originally posted by Steffi
    Leslie, the only pro
    that Patrick and I have noticed as far as a married benefit goes is the
    fact that our car insurance went down. At first we were scared to add
    me because we thought it would go up, but instead it went down.
    Aparently being married means you're less likely to take risks.


    Thanks Steffi, that's good to know. We'll be dealing with
    that pretty soon.


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    "1. The Bhagwan Shri Rashneesh were trying to poison a whole town with
    salmonella in order to fix a local election. "

    Really, I did not know
    that. When I lived in Portland at the time, I was only about 14 years
    old or so... I knew that their elevator did not go to the top, but did
    not know that they put poison in the water system

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    In 1984, followers of Bhagwan Shri Rashneesh sprinkled homegrown
    salmonella bacteria on supermarket produce, door handles, and restaurant
    salad bars in Oregon. Nobody died, but 751 people became ill. The
    poisonings were preparation for attacks meant to keep voters home during
    a local election in which a cult member was running for a county
    judgeship.
    Prosecution of cult leaders led to the dispersement of the
    organization.
    There was a program on TV all about it recently


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    Originally posted by ScottHenshaw
    "1. The Bhagwan Shri
    Rashneesh were trying to poison a whole town with salmonella in order to
    fix a local election. "
    Really, I did not know that. When I lived
    in Portland at the time, I was only about 14 years old or so... I knew
    that their elevator did not go to the top, but did not know that they
    put poison in the water system
    Scott
    Scott, this was
    after they bought the ranch. The targeted town was The Dalles and they
    put the bacteria in a local salad bar. Their Grand Plan(tm) was to make
    enough people so sick as to miss voting in the local election with the
    intended result of Sheila and the rest of the heavies getting elected to
    local gov't to control zoning. (sektcy memories...maybe I should look it
    up, but this is how I remember it)
    Remember how they rounded up and
    trucked in homeless folk to add to the voting rolls out there too?


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    Leslie66 wrote:
    Originally posted by Steffi
    Leslie, the only pro
    that Patrick and I have noticed as far as a married benefit goes is the fact that our car insurance went down. At first we were scared to add me because we thought it would go up, but instead it went down. Aparently being married means you're less likely to take risks.
    Unless you marry a 16 year old... Then I would guess it would go up.


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    Originally posted by supernav
    Fact is ---they could
    care less about rights, and this is just a dumb ploy to *make a point*
    in the public eye. In which case they are wasting valuable government
    resources and time with their campaigning.
    -= nav =-

    Really? Don't you think that gay people vote? Don't you think that
    every gay person is someone's child, brother, sister, mother, father, or
    friend? All of those people vote. That is why this issue won't go
    away. It is an election year. Homophobic, bigoted, nazis are not the
    only ones that vote.


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    In article <weQYb.14463$oH7.5423@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com >,
    a.a.a@aaa.aaa says...
    Leslie66 wrote:
    Originally posted by Steffi
    Leslie, the only pro
    that Patrick and I have noticed as far as a married benefit goes is the fact that our car insurance went down. At first we were scared to add me because we thought it would go up, but instead it went down. Aparently being married means you're less likely to take risks.
    Unless you marry a 16 year old... Then I would guess it would go up.
    hmm.... In our case car insurance went down after adding me to the
    policy

    AP

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    meauxna wrote:
    Scott, this was after they bought the ranch. The targeted town was The Dalles and they put the bacteria in a local salad bar. Their Grand Plan(tm) was to make enough people so sick as to miss voting in the local election with the intended result of Sheila and the rest of the heavies getting elected to local gov't to control zoning. (sektcy memories...maybe I should look it up, but this is how I remember it)
    So did anybody get convicted? Making allegations is easy. Proving it in
    court is another matter...
    Remember how they rounded up and trucked in homeless folk to add to the voting rolls out there too?
    I remember that charge too. But really, is it illegal? I mean a homeless
    person by definition doesn't have a home. Who's to say that they weren't
    simply trying to help homeless people and provide them a home.

    (Of course election laws may dictate that they cannot vote until they
    are a resident for some time...).

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