Ping ==> Glunk (or anyone up in New England)

[Bill in Co.]

OK, I probably should have made a new post, so here it is...

You said you were up in VT, right?

I had a couple of questions, if you don't mind (as I am considering
the possibility of moving to New England (specifically ME) someday):

Is it really so cold there in the winter that you HAVE to use plugin engine
block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an idea
of it)
(I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid).

And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter
season?

And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast
days?

Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS?

(seriously, I want to know what it's like)

[Stephanie Stowe]

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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OK, I probably should have made a new post, so here it is... You said you were up in VT, right? I had a couple of questions, if you don't mind (as I am considering the possibility of moving to New England (specifically ME) someday):

If you are thinking coastal, my answers may not completely apply to you.
Apparently coastal weather differs from us landlocked folks.

Is it really so cold there in the winter that you HAVE to use plugin

engine

block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an

idea

of it)

I have never owned an engine block heater. I *do* own a reliable Honda
vehicle. But no, it does not get that cold. There was one instance in the
last 15 years when my car actually started at 15 below. But 15 below is not
normal.

(I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season?

What is SAD? Seasonal something depression? Even in winter we get sun. The
weather changes a lot. So, unlike say Portland where it pretty much drizzles
all winter long, we will have 3 sunny days and then a snowy day then a rainy
day.... So I have not heard of a lot of winter depression. Folks who grew up
around here go out in the cold. It is simply a matter of having the right
clothing.

And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast days?

Years differ. Last summer was hot, hot, hot and dry. This year we hav had
very few hot days. Some years you get dumped with a ton of snow, some years
less. But even still, we do get sun. Dreary overcast is more pacific
northwest than new england.

Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS? (seriously, I want to know what it's like)

Did I give you enough info?

[_calinda_]

glunk wrote:

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:StKJc.4606$Qu5.24@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...

considering

the possibility of moving to New England (specifically ME)

someday):

If you are thinking coastal, my answers may not completely apply

to

you. Apparently coastal weather differs from us landlocked folks.

plugin

engine block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just

trying

to get an idea of it) I have never owned an engine block heater. I *do* own a reliable

Honda

vehicle. But no, it does not get that cold. There was one instance

in

the last 15 years when my car actually started at 15 below. But 15 below is not normal.

What is SAD? Seasonal something depression? Even in winter we get sun. The weather changes a lot. So, unlike say Portland where it pretty much drizzles all winter long, we will have 3 sunny days

and

then a snowy day then a rainy day.... So I have not heard of a lot

of

winter depression. Folks who grew up around here go out in the

cold.

It is simply a matter of having the right clothing.

Years differ. Last summer was hot, hot, hot and dry. This year we

hav

had very few hot days. Some years you get dumped with a ton of

snow,

some years less. But even still, we do get sun. Dreary overcast is more pacific northwest than new england.

Did I give you enough info?

A lot of people suffer from SAD, but I wouldn't say the majority.
You have to make a point to get your butt outside, regardless of the
temperature.

I'm not sure where he's getting this "hype" from, other than his own
assumptions.


Bill, if you're planning on moving somewhere, then use your computer
to do some research on the weather and lifestyles of the places you
are thinking of moving to. This is what I'm doing with my planned
move to VT.

Once you've decided on your general relocation point, you can pull
statistics up for past weather to get a general idea of what you're
getting yourself into as well as a whole host of other information
that is available. As you have been told multiple times in the
past.. google is your friend. Here is a link to get yourself
started:

http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/maine/

It lists several things, such as average cost of a home, percent of
the population that is married, vs. single and it also lists the
average temperatures for summer and winter, along with crime rates
and more. This is just one resource available if you do a search in
google.

Cal~

[Caren]

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<StKJc.4606$Qu5.24@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net>...

OK, I probably should have made a new post, so here it is... You said you were up in VT, right? I had a couple of questions, if you don't mind (as I am considering the possibility of moving to New England (specifically ME) someday): Is it really so cold there in the winter that you HAVE to use plugin engine block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an idea of it) (I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season? And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast days? Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS? (seriously, I want to know what it's like)

Bill, I went to college for 4 years in NH. Yes, it is so cold that
your nose hairs freeze. No, the sun shines during the winter far more
than it does in Seattle. The days that the sun shines on the snow and
the icicles hanging from the trees are of the most beautiful things I
have ever seen. Not to mention the fall in NH. The colors are
breathtaking.

However, you could not get me to live anywhere that cold for the rest
of my life. There is also "black fly season". That is sometime
around April or May when the snow is melthing everywhere and there are
these tiny black flies. If you have the skin that I have, they'll
love you. And eat you alive. You can't stand outside and have a
conversation with someone or else they go in every place they can find
(eyes, ears, mouth). The bites suck too. People who work outdoors
often wear head gear.

It is a beautiful place though Bill. Life is slow and simple-at least
it was back in the early 70's. I suggest going on vacation and
getting a feel and talking to the "townies".

When I visited CA for two weeks, I ended up leasing an apartment. You
never know. A change might do you good!

[A man]

"_calinda_" <calindasinclair@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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glunk wrote:

considering

someday):

to

plugin

trying

Honda

in

and

of

cold.

hav

snow,

A lot of people suffer from SAD, but I wouldn't say the majority. You have to make a point to get your butt outside, regardless of the temperature. I'm not sure where he's getting this "hype" from, other than his own assumptions.

Some of us New Englanders *can* have a tendency to over-dramatize the
severity of winters here in much the same way old men will tell you that
when THEY were a boy, they had to walk to school up hill both ways.

Bill, if you're planning on moving somewhere, then use your computer to do some research on the weather and lifestyles of the places you are thinking of moving to. This is what I'm doing with my planned move to VT. Once you've decided on your general relocation point, you can pull statistics up for past weather to get a general idea of what you're getting yourself into as well as a whole host of other information that is available. As you have been told multiple times in the past.. google is your friend. Here is a link to get yourself started: http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/maine/ It lists several things, such as average cost of a home, percent of the population that is married, vs. single and it also lists the average temperatures for summer and winter, along with crime rates and more. This is just one resource available if you do a search in google. Cal~

[A man]

"Caren" <caren50@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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OK, I probably should have made a new post, so here it is... You said you were up in VT, right? I had a couple of questions, if you don't mind (as I am considering the possibility of moving to New England (specifically ME) someday): Is it really so cold there in the winter that you HAVE to use plugin

engine

block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an

idea

of it) (I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season? And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast days? Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS? (seriously, I want to know what it's like) Bill, I went to college for 4 years in NH. Yes, it is so cold that your nose hairs freeze. No, the sun shines during the winter far more than it does in Seattle. The days that the sun shines on the snow and the icicles hanging from the trees are of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Not to mention the fall in NH. The colors are breathtaking. However, you could not get me to live anywhere that cold for the rest of my life.

How long ago did you live in NH? I do not know if the Farmer's Almanac would
bear this out, but it seems to not get as cold as I remember from childhood
and teenhood.

There is also "black fly season". That is sometime around April or May when the snow is melthing everywhere and there are these tiny black flies. If you have the skin that I have, they'll love you. And eat you alive. You can't stand outside and have a conversation with someone or else they go in every place they can find (eyes, ears, mouth). The bites suck too. People who work outdoors often wear head gear.

Black fly season is pretty short.

It is a beautiful place though Bill. Life is slow and simple-at least it was back in the early 70's. I suggest going on vacation and getting a feel and talking to the "townies".

For NH it depends very much where you are. Manchester and south are
practically Boston suburns now.

When I visited CA for two weeks, I ended up leasing an apartment. You never know. A change might do you good!

[JWB]

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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OK, I probably should have made a new post, so here it is... You said you were up in VT, right? I had a couple of questions, if you don't mind (as I am considering the possibility of moving to New England (specifically ME) someday): Is it really so cold there in the winter that you HAVE to use plugin

engine

block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an

idea

of it) (I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season? And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast days? Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS? (seriously, I want to know what it's like)

The entire Northeast completely sucks. Lots of lawyers, too.

Stay far away!!!

[Doug Anderson]

"JWB" <bigtomhglajwb@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite dot com> writes:

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:StKJc.4606$Qu5.24@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...

engine

idea

The entire Northeast completely sucks. Lots of lawyers, too. Stay far away!!!

And, due to the fact that it is more liberal than the rest of the
country, there is much less personal responsibility than anywhere
else!

In fact, no one has taken any responsibility for a single one of their
actions in New England since 1959!

[A man]

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com> wrote in message news:cOSJc.77979$a92.24957@twister.nyc.rr.com...

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:StKJc.4606$Qu5.24@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...

engine

idea

The entire Northeast completely sucks. Lots of lawyers, too. Stay far away!!!

What's this anti-lawyer thing? My mom is a lawyer. She has this really
rotten habit of defending Dads in custody disputes, often probono if they
cannot afford it.

[JWB]

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dot

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overcast

days? Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS? (seriously, I want to know what it's like) The entire Northeast completely sucks. Lots of lawyers, too. Stay far away!!! What's this anti-lawyer thing? My mom is a lawyer. She has this really rotten habit of defending Dads in custody disputes, often probono if they cannot afford it.

I have nothing against lawyers. Bill does. I just figured I'd tell him that
THE NORTHEAST IS TEEMING WITH LAWYERS AND IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE AND THAT HE
SHOULD STAY *FAR* AWAY FROM IT.

[DrLith]

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com> wrote in message news:m0UJc.47213$4h7.5594745@twister.nyc.rr.com...

I have nothing against lawyers. Bill does. I just figured I'd tell him

that

THE NORTHEAST IS TEEMING WITH LAWYERS AND IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE AND THAT HE SHOULD STAY *FAR* AWAY FROM IT.

I hear that everyone in the Northeast talks on their cell phones nonstop in
restaurants and theaters. Is that true, JWB?

[A man]

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com> wrote in message news:m0UJc.47213$4h7.5594745@twister.nyc.rr.com...

"Tim and Stephanie" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message news:cwTJc.391$F8.126@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...

dot

an

idea > of it) > (I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). > > And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the

winter

> season? > > And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast

they

cannot afford it. I have nothing against lawyers. Bill does. I just figured I'd tell him

that

THE NORTHEAST IS TEEMING WITH LAWYERS AND IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE AND THAT HE SHOULD STAY *FAR* AWAY FROM IT.

Ah. That's right. As Doug says. We are all terribly irresponsible.

S

[A man]

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"JWB" <bigtomhglajwb@servo.com actually, my e-mail is jwb3333 at excite

dot

com> wrote in message news:m0UJc.47213$4h7.5594745@twister.nyc.rr.com...

that

HE

SHOULD STAY *FAR* AWAY FROM IT. I hear that everyone in the Northeast talks on their cell phones nonstop

in

restaurants and theaters. Is that true, JWB?

That's a city thing.

[Bill in Co.]

glunk wrote:

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:StKJc.4606$Qu5.24@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net...

If you are thinking coastal, my answers may not completely apply to you. Apparently coastal weather differs from us landlocked folks.

engine

block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an

idea

of it) I have never owned an engine block heater. I *do* own a reliable Honda vehicle. But no, it does not get that cold. There was one instance in the last 15 years when my car actually started at 15 below. But 15 below is

not

normal.

But is your car parked outside? If it's in a garage, you wouldn't need
an engine block heater, I'd expect.

(I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season? What is SAD? Seasonal something depression? Even in winter we get sun.

The..

Seasonal Affective Disorder (or something close to that), as I recall.
I've read that some people get these special sun lamps, and use them for a
couple of hours a day to prevent getting depressed.

weather changes a lot. So, unlike say Portland where it pretty much

drizzles

all winter long,

Now that part is interesting - I didn't know that. The only times I've
been to ME are in the summer (have been doing this for a few summers - but
close to the NH border).

we will have 3 sunny days and then a snowy day then a rainy day.... So I have not heard of a lot of winter depression. Folks who grew

up

around here go out in the cold. It is simply a matter of having the right clothing.

Years differ. Last summer was hot, hot, hot and dry. This year we hav had very few hot days. Some years you get dumped with a ton of snow, some

years

less. But even still, we do get sun. Dreary overcast is more pacific northwest than new england.

Did I give you enough info?

Well, you can never give me too much info. I like hearing about it
firsthand from you guys, in addition to reading about it on the net.

[Bill in Co.]

Caren wrote:

"Bill in Co." <surly7curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<StKJc.4606$Qu5.24@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net>...

engine

block heaters if you don't have a garage? (I'm just trying to get an

idea

of it) (I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season? And that you rarely see the sun in the winter - lots of dreary overcast days? Or is this all just hearsay, and overhyped, and just BS? (seriously, I want to know what it's like) Bill, I went to college for 4 years in NH. Yes, it is so cold that your nose hairs freeze. No, the sun shines during the winter far more than it does in Seattle. The days that the sun shines on the snow and the icicles hanging from the trees are of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. Not to mention the fall in NH. The colors are breathtaking.

I know about the gorgeous colors of the leaves. I had experienced that
when living (close to) there, in Albany

However, you could not get me to live anywhere that cold for the rest of my life. There is also "black fly season". That is sometime around April or May when the snow is melthing everywhere and there are these tiny black flies. If you have the skin that I have, they'll love you. And eat you alive. You can't stand outside and have a conversation with someone or else they go in every place they can find (eyes, ears, mouth). The bites suck too. People who work outdoors often wear head gear.

I've also (briefly) experienced those black flies on one of my summer
visits!

It is a beautiful place though Bill. Life is slow and simple-at least it was back in the early 70's. I suggest going on vacation and getting a feel and talking to the "townies".

I have been doing that on summer vacations, and really enjoy it Getting
to know the local townies. I just haven't experienced the other seasons
there, except as a kid, in Albany. But as a kid, you can't get enough of
the snow! As an adult, shoveling the driveway sucks, but, what can you
do... Hopefully it's only once a week, and not every day, with 3 foot
drifts.

When I visited CA for two weeks, I ended up leasing an apartment. You never know. A change might do you good!

Yeah, I know. My long term plans call for a change. Actually, not all
that long term. I expect there will be some big changes in that regard
within the next 5 years.

[JWB]

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dot

com> wrote in message news:m0UJc.47213$4h7.5594745@twister.nyc.rr.com...

that

HE

SHOULD STAY *FAR* AWAY FROM IT. I hear that everyone in the Northeast talks on their cell phones nonstop

in

restaurants and theaters. Is that true, JWB?

Yes. It's terrible.

And we have one-parent families in record numbers, and we listen to "that
damned jungle music"

Bill wouldn't like it at all.

[JWB]

"Tim and Stephanie" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message
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"DrLith" <drlith@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2lqjfkFfk670U1@uni-berlin.de...

dot

THAT

HE

in

That's a city thing.

NO!!! IT'S THE *ENTIRE* NORTHEAST. DON'T LISTEN TO HER, BILL!!!!!





















*shut up, Stephanie, you're ruining it.....*

[A man]

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glunk wrote:

engine

idea

the

last 15 years when my car actually started at 15 below. But 15 below is not

But is your car parked outside? If it's in a garage, you wouldn't need an engine block heater, I'd expect.

Car? In the garage? Where would DH put his workshop? No, we have never put
our cars in the garage.

(I once lived in Albany, but that was MANY eons ago - as a kid). And that many, if not most people suffer from S.A.D. during the winter season? What is SAD? Seasonal something depression? Even in winter we get sun. The.. Seasonal Affective Disorder (or something close to that), as I recall. I've read that some people get these special sun lamps, and use them for a couple of hours a day to prevent getting depressed.

drizzles

Now that part is interesting - I didn't know that. The only times I've been to ME are in the summer (have been doing this for a few summers - but close to the NH border).

grew

up

right

clothing.

Years differ. Last summer was hot, hot, hot and dry. This year we hav

had

very few hot days. Some years you get dumped with a ton of snow, some years

Well, you can never give me too much info. I like hearing about it firsthand from you guys, in addition to reading about it on the net.

[A man]

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com> wrote in message news:aZWJc.78161$a92.44525@twister.nyc.rr.com...

"Tim and Stephanie" <uce@ftc.gov> wrote in message news:rXUJc.1200$F8.170@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...

excite

dot

news:m0UJc.47213$4h7.5594745@twister.nyc.rr.com...

> I have nothing against lawyers. Bill does. I just figured I'd tell

him

that > THE NORTHEAST IS TEEMING WITH LAWYERS AND IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE AND THAT

nonstop

in

That's a city thing. NO!!! IT'S THE *ENTIRE* NORTHEAST. DON'T LISTEN TO HER, BILL!!!!!

So you live in Maine or something?

*shut up, Stephanie, you're ruining it.....*

[JWB]

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So you live in Maine or something?

NY. But it's still the Northeast.

[A man]

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"DrLith" <drlith@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2lqjfkFfk670U1@uni-berlin.de...

dot

THAT

HE

in

Yes. It's terrible. And we have one-parent families in record numbers, and we listen to "that damned jungle music" Bill wouldn't like it at all.

What's jungle music? It sounds like I would like it.