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    I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he
    pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my
    trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made
    hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million
    other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper
    hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other
    million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle
    of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license
    plate.

    Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out.
    He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a
    warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he
    will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him, since
    he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and will
    probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this is
    bull****. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not
    speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones
    plates and radio in for records on every car he sees?

    I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my
    tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even
    drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.

    Citizen


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    citizen@_______.com spoke thus:
    I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
    I've been pulled over before in similar fashion - cop follows you for
    awhile, you drive slowly, get pulled over, go through the whole "Got any
    drugs?" routine, submit to a search just to get out of there, etc.
    People who wonder why other people hate law enforcement are morons.

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    <citizen@_______.com> wrote in message
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    I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said
    he
    pulled me over because he could not read my license plate
    because my
    trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory
    made
    hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a
    million
    other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a
    bumper
    hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the
    other
    million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the
    middle
    of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the
    license
    plate. Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check
    me out.
    He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it
    again, he
    will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him,
    since
    he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and
    will
    probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this
    is
    bull****. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was
    not
    speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read
    everyones
    plates and radio in for records on every car he sees? I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on
    my
    tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong,
    and even
    drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
    The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate
    be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version:

    5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to
    the
    vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from
    swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly
    visible,
    and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly
    legible.

    All you have to do is comply with a very simple law. If you don't
    comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference
    whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes
    not difference whether the trailer hitch was a standard factory
    made hitch. It makes not difference whether you were doing
    anything else wrong when your violation was noticed. There is
    nothing wrong with cops reading license plates regardless of
    whether the vehicle is being used in any illegal way. Woudn't it
    be silly to have a law that tells cops they can look at license
    plate of cars that are stolen, but don't look at the license
    plates of cars that are not stolen?

    I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ball
    mounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making the
    license easilly legible. Seems easy enough.

    McGyver



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    McGyver wrote:
    <citizen@_______.com> wrote in message news:hqeal0pj6h3tqo6etbr0n2olv6aq9tk9gb@4ax.com...
    I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license plate. Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio in for records on every car he sees? I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
    The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version: 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be
    clearly
    legible.
    It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision
    the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in
    it's entirety, from all angles/views.



    All you have to do is comply with a very simple law.
    See above. It ain't so simple.
    If you don't comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes not difference whether the trailer hitch was a standard factory made hitch. It makes not difference whether you were doing anything else wrong when your violation was noticed. There is nothing wrong with cops reading license plates regardless of whether the vehicle is being used in any illegal way. Woudn't it be silly to have a law that tells cops they can look at license plate of cars that are stolen, but don't look at the license plates of cars that are not stolen? I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ball mounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making the license easilly legible.
    From all/every angle ?

    Not.


    Seems easy enough. McGyver


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    EnjoyDialup wrote:
    "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message news:8bi5d.747$q%6.29320@news.uswest.net...
    McGyver wrote:
    <citizen@_______.com> wrote in message news:hqeal0pj6h3tqo6etbr0n2olv6aq9tk9gb@4ax.com... > I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.> He said he pulled me over because he could not read my> license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.> Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of> the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars.> I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper> hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do> the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS> mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where> the> car manufacturers put the license plate.>> Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to> check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was> only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove> the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me. I> was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he was> not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and> will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles,> because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my> license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything> against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio> in for records on every car he sees?>> I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and> was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely> nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed> limits> knowing he was back there. The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version: 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible.
    It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in it's entirety, from all angles/views.
    same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.
    But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached
    to the ball, eh?

    think of it from a speed cameras point of view.
    Why?
    it cant tilt it's head to get a better angle.
    Don't matter, the law was written long before "speed cameras"
    came into play.
    just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on when you need to tow something.
    Naw.
    the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the road laws
    Cops are never right, moron.



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    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
    wrote:

    same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?



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    On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:00:37 GMT, peterwn@parazzdise.net.nz (Peter)
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>wrote:
    same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Of course it does, if it's legal anyway. SOD is just an idiot troll.
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    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700, "McGyver" <Greyprof@msn.com>
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    I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ballmounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making thelicense easilly legible. Seems easy enough.McGyver
    Easy enough if no trailer is hooked up, but try hooking a trailer to a
    hitch when the ball is up side down. The only way is to flip the
    trailer on its roof. Pulling it that way would damage the trailer, and
    all the contents would spill out.


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    Peter wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
    same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate. But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached to the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Irrelevant. The "law" you assclowns keep citing states that
    the car license plate must be visible.

    Well, is it visible when there is a trailer in place behind the car or not?



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    webmarketing@sendspam.com wrote in news:83pcl0lsiiphb4kdb0amthvnfs658lmtf2@
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    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700, "McGyver" <Greyprof@msn.com> wrote:
    I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ballmounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making thelicense easilly legible. Seems easy enough.McGyver
    Easy enough if no trailer is hooked up, but try hooking a trailer to a hitch when the ball is up side down. The only way is to flip the trailer on its roof. Pulling it that way would damage the trailer, and all the contents would spill out.
    Not if you flipped the car over first. So few people actually think a
    problem all the way through before posting!

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    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:47:45 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>
    wrote:
    McGyver wrote:
    <citizen@_______.com> wrote in message news:hqeal0pj6h3tqo6etbr0n2olv6aq9tk9gb@4ax.com...
    I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license plate.
    I heard the same argument for all around tinted windows, large items
    hanging from windshields and blocked rear windows when right and left
    side view mirrors weren't mandatory, not to mention, "Everyone else is
    speeding so why aren't you stopping them too?". Other people doing
    the same as you doesn't give you a free pass.
    Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.
    It takes less than 2 minutes, if you take your time, to remove the
    ball and the same amount of time to remount it. This is much better
    than your blood pressure going up worrying about it, better than
    getting cited and better than wasting your time fighting the ticket
    and end up paying anyway.
    Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio in for records on every car he sees?
    He can run any license plate he wants without any reason to do so.
    Various court cases have affirmed the officer's right to run plates at
    random due to the large amount of stolen cars, cars used in crimes and
    warrants attached to license numbers, etc.
    I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
    Absolutely nothing wrong? Your trailer hitch ball was blocking the
    license plate. Obstructing the view of your license plate is illegal.
    It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of visionthe reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" init's entirety, from all angles/views.
    It has to be clearly visible to vehicles behind yours.

    Skip

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    Peter wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
    same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate. But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached to the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Is the car's license plate visible or not when there is a
    trailer attached to it?

    Yes or No?



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    Skip wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:47:45 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
    McGyver wrote:
    <citizen@_______.com> wrote in message news:hqeal0pj6h3tqo6etbr0n2olv6aq9tk9gb@4ax.com... > I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.> He said he pulled me over because he could not read my> license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.> Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of> the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars.> I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper> hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do> the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS> mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where> the> car manufacturers put the license plate.
    I heard the same argument for all around tinted windows, large items hanging from windshields and blocked rear windows when right and left side view mirrors weren't mandatory, not to mention, "Everyone else is speeding so why aren't you stopping them too?". Other people doing the same as you doesn't give you a free pass.
    > Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to> check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was> only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove> the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.
    It takes less than 2 minutes, if you take your time, to remove the ball and the same amount of time to remount it. This is much better than your blood pressure going up worrying about it, better than getting cited and better than wasting your time fighting the ticket and end up paying anyway.
    > Why was he trying to read my> license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything> against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio> in for records on every car he sees?
    He can run any license plate he wants without any reason to do so. Various court cases have affirmed the officer's right to run plates at random due to the large amount of stolen cars, cars used in crimes and warrants attached to license numbers, etc.
    > I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and> was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely> nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed> limits knowing he was back there.
    Absolutely nothing wrong? Your trailer hitch ball was blocking the license plate. Obstructing the view of your license plate is illegal.
    It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in it's entirety, from all angles/views.
    It has to be clearly visible to vehicles behind yours.
    From what angles?
    From what distance?

    Is it clearly visible when there is a trailer attached to the
    car?

    Skip


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    EnjoyDialup wrote:
    "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message news:vLn5d.771$q%6.55638@news.uswest.net...
    EnjoyDialup wrote:
    "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message news:8bi5d.747$q%6.29320@news.uswest.net...> McGyver wrote:>> <citizen@_______.com> wrote in message>> news:hqeal0pj6h3tqo6etbr0n2olv6aq9tk9gb@4ax.com... >>> I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.>>> He said he pulled me over because he could not read my>>> license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.>>> Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out>>> of>>> the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other>>> cars.>>> I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper>>> hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so>>> do>>> the other million hitches on other cars. They are>>> ALWAYS>>> mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where>>> the>>> car manufacturers put the license plate.>>>>>> Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio>>> to>>> check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was>>> only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove>>> the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.>>> I>>> was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he>>> was>>> not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here,>>> and>>> will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles,>>> because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my>>> license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything>>> against the law. Does he read everyones plates and>>> radio>>> in for records on every car he sees?>>>>>> I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over,>>> and>>> was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing>>> absolutely>>> nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed>>> limits>>> knowing he was back there.>>>> The vehicle code in your state will require that the>> license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is>> California's version:>>>> 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely>> fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as>> to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in>> a position so as>> to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a>> condition so as to be clearly legible.>> It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of> vision> the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly> visible" in> it's entirety, from all angles/views. same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.
    But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached to the ball, eh?
    When you have a traler attached you are required to have a number plate on the back of the trailer.
    Yet the car's license plate isn't visible, is it?

    no loop hole there
    Care to cite the law that states the *car's* license plate does
    NOT have to be visible "at all times".

    think of it from a speed cameras point of view.
    Why?
    because that is the reason for the law:- to prevent people from getting away with trafic offences due to an obscured number plate.
    Hardly. The license plate law was in place long before
    speed cameras, numbnuts.
    under the same set of laws your not allowd to have mud plashed up on the plate or those glass covers on them that reflect the light back at the cameras.
    Yet they can be mounted into a indentation of the factory bumber that
    does obscure views from certain angles, eh?
    it cant tilt it's head to get a better angle. Don't matter, the law was written long before "speed cameras" came into play.
    See above statment.
    Which proves your claim to be false.
    just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on when you need to tow something. Naw.
    Then put up with the fines. that is the choice we all have. comply with the law, or be punished.
    You really are a cowardly sycophant, aren' you?
    Hey moron, they need fools like you to fight and die
    in Iraq for the Bu$h Mob's lies. Get packing.

    I guess there is a third option, change the law. but it's not likly.
    Or how about apply the law properly and equally?
    the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the road laws Cops are never right, moron.
    try telling one that and see how many extra tickets you get!
    What a right panty wearing wanker you are. Are all Aussies
    as spineless as you?



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    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    EnjoyDialup wrote:
    "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in messagenews:vLn5d.771$q%6.55638@news.uswest.net...
    EnjoyDialup wrote:>"S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote in message>news:8bi5d.747$q%6.29320@news.uswest.net.. .>>>McGyver wrote:>>>>><citizen@_______.com> wrote in message>>>news:hqeal0pj6h3tqo6etbr0n2olv6aq9tk9gb@ 4ax.com...>>>>>>>I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.>>>>He said he pulled me over because he could not read my>>>>license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.>>>>Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out>>>>of>>>>the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other>>>>cars.>>>>I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper>>>>hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so>>>>do>>>>the other million hitches on other cars. They are>>>>ALWAYS>>>>mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where>>>>the>>>>car manufacturers put the license plate.>>>>>>>>Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio>>>>to>>>>check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was>>>>only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove>>>>the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.>>>>I>>>>was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he>>>>was>>>>not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here,>>>>and>>>>will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles,>>>>because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my>>>>license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything>>>>against the law. Does he read everyones plates and>>>>radio>>>>in for records on every car he sees?>>>>>>>>I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over,>>>>and>>>>was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing>>>>absolutely>>>>nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed>>>>limits>>>>knowing he was back there.>>>>>>The vehicle code in your state will require that the>>>license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is>>>California's version:>>>>>>5201. License plates shall at all times be securely>>>fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as>>>to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in>>>a position so as>>>to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a>>>condition so as to be clearly legible.>>>>It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of>>vision>>the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly>>visible" in>>it's entirety, from all angles/views.>>>>same law exists here in australia. you cant have a>towball>blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    When you have a traler attached you are required to have anumber plate on the back of the trailer.
    Yet the car's license plate isn't visible, is it?
    no loop holethere
    Care to cite the law that states the *car's* license plate does NOT have to be visible "at all times".
    > think of it from a speed>cameras point of view.Why?
    because that is the reason for the law:- to prevent peoplefrom getting away with trafic offences due to an obscurednumber plate.
    Hardly. The license plate law was in place long before speed cameras, numbnuts.
    under the same set of laws your not allowd to have mudplashed up on the plate or those glass covers on them thatreflect the light back at the cameras.
    Yet they can be mounted into a indentation of the factory bumber that does obscure views from certain angles, eh?
    >it cant tilt it's head to get a>better angle.Don't matter, the law was written long before "speedcameras"came into play.
    See above statment.
    Which proves your claim to be false.
    >just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on>when you need to tow something.Naw.
    Then put up with the fines. that is the choice we allhave. comply with the law, or be punished.
    You really are a cowardly sycophant, aren' you? Hey moron, they need fools like you to fight and die in Iraq for the Bu$h Mob's lies. Get packing.
    I guess thereis a third option, change the law. but it's not likly.
    Or how about apply the law properly and equally?
    >the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the>road laws Cops are never right, moron.
    try telling one that and see how many extra tickets you get!
    What a right panty wearing wanker you are. Are all Aussies as spineless as you?
    The law here in NSW is very clear, and leaves little scope for debate.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...98478/s24.html

    Interestingly, the legistlators have moved away from the traddition of
    trying to express complex geometrical ideas in words, and have simply
    provided diagrams.

    Is the law in the particular US state in question really so vague? Or is
    this thread just a convenient excuse for a slanging match where facts
    are largely irrelevant?

    Sylvia.


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    It has to be clearly visible to vehicles behind yours.From what angles?From what distance?
    From a distance where a person with normal vision can see it.
    Is it clearly visible when there is a trailer attached to thecar?
    No, it's not it's also not visible in the fog, if there is a car
    between your plate and who ever wants to see your plate and
    a lot of other silly scenarios. The trailer has it's own plate and
    with connected vehicles/trailers its the plate on the last
    vehicle/trailer that has to be visible.

    For a person who likes to scream, "That's irrelevant," you come up
    with more irrelevant and specious arguements and questionsthan the
    people with whom you dissagre.

    Skip

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    Skip wrote:
    It has to be clearly visible to vehicles behind yours. From what angles? From what distance? From a distance where a person with normal vision can see it.
    From what angle or angles?

    Is it clearly visible when there is a trailer attached to the car?
    No, it's not it's also not visible in the fog,
    Are the drivers responsible for fog?
    if there is a car between your plate and who ever wants to see your plate
    Is the driver responsible for other traffic, eh moron?
    and a lot of other silly scenarios.
    Yep, silly scenarions that you brought up, eh imbecile?
    The trailer has it's own plate
    Yep, but we are talking about the plate on the car itself,
    and the law that people quoted as requiring it be
    "visibible at all times".
    and with connected vehicles/trailers its the plate on the last vehicle/trailer that has to be visible.
    So I'm sure you have a citation to the law quoted
    that lays out exceptions to the "visibible at all times"
    requirement that others have quoted, eh?
    For a person who likes to scream, "That's irrelevant," you come up with more irrelevant and specious arguements and questionsthan the people with whom you dissagre.
    Sez the boy who sets up his own silly scenario strawmen and
    then knocks them down.

    So, are there exceptions stipulated in the law that
    has been stated to require that the license plate on
    the car be visibile at all times, or not?

    I've never seen a trailer ball hitch sooo large that it
    obstructed the license plate to the point where one
    couldn't read the characters on the plate itself.
    Skip


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    >I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.>He said he pulled me over because he could not read my>license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.>Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of>the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars.>I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper>hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do>the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS>mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where the>car manufacturers put the license plate.
    If the hitch is left on when not being used to tow, would this be
    considered interfering with the federally mandated bumper laws? A hitch
    is normally attached to the frame of the car, so if a car was to hit it
    from behind, the 5 mile impact bumper would be interfered with.

    The same question for trucks mounting coolers, etc in front of their bumper.

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    McGyver wrote:

    (snip)
    All you have to do is comply with a very simple law. If you don't comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes
    (snip)

    Yup. It is absolutely true that you can be cited
    for a law even if other people routinely violate
    the law. The only thing restraining "selective
    enforcement" is that it must be done in a way
    that discriminates on the basis of race, religion,
    (and a few other things as mentioned in federal
    anti-discrimination laws). They can do it because
    they "don't like your face" as long as the reason
    they don't like your face is not a prohibited
    reason.

    It would of course be preferable if they were
    required to be even handed and reasonable in
    the enforcement of the laws, but the only thing
    you can do is see to it that the sheriff is not
    reelected.

    I am not a lawyer. I do not even see email sent to this address, due to
    past DOS attacks. If you wish to respond, do so through this newsgroup.



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    _Breaking News_ wrote:
    Peter wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>wrote:
    >same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball>blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Irrelevant. The "law" you assclowns keep citing states that the car license plate must be visible. Well, is it visible when there is a trailer in place behind the car or not?
    The law will vary from state to state, but most use properly displayed
    and visible as conditions for proper display and require a separate
    plate for a trailer (which also must meet those requirements). Obviously
    when towing a trailer a vehicle's plate is not going to be plainly
    visible, but it still meets the properly displayed requirements so long
    as the trailer plate does. When not towing a trailer most jurisdictions
    agree that blocking the vehicle plate with a hitchball is (technically)
    a violation.

    Steve

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    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    Peter wrote:
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles"<so@damocl.es> wrote:
    >same law exists here in australia. you cant have a>towball blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Is the car's license plate visible or not when there is a trailer attached to it? Yes or No?
    Your literal layman's challenge is not on point. No trailer - plate must
    be visible at all times. While towing a trailer - it's the trailer plate
    that must be properly displayed and plainly visible. You'll find little
    "ands", "ors" and "excepts" in most state statutes that address the
    issue, but you can go ahead and play your silly game if you want. The
    stop will still be valid in the case the original poster presented.

    Steve

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    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    I've never seen a trailer ball hitch sooo large that it obstructed the license plate to the point where one couldn't read the characters on the plate itself.
    You're own limited experience notwithstanding - I have. A 2-inch ball
    mounted on a pickup truck bumper will almost invariably block the clear
    view of all numbers or characters on an otherwise properly mounted plate
    when viewed from a vehicle following directly behind.

    Steve

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    In article <cj9l8j$c9d$1@omle.tju.edu>, John P Reber
    <John.P.Reber@mail.jci.tju.edu> wrote:
    >>>I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.>>He said he pulled me over because he could not read my>>license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.>>Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of>>the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars.>>I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper>>hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do>>the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS>>mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where the>>car manufacturers put the license plate. If the hitch is left on when not being used to tow, would this be considered interfering with the federally mandated bumper laws? A hitch is normally attached to the frame of the car, so if a car was to hit it from behind, the 5 mile impact bumper would be interfered with. The same question for trucks mounting coolers, etc in front of their bumper.
    Nope. Those laws only apply to car manufacturers, not private automobile
    owners.

    Owners are only subject to the state vehicle traffic code.

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    peterwn@parazzdise.net.nz (Peter) wrote in message news:<4156147f.11107528@news.paradise.net.nz>...
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es> wrote:
    But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Not in Wisconsin. Most smaller trailers need *no* license plate.
    --
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    Skip <skipfromla@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<97rdl0tr3tu81narvu8f5lr1bsljq62seh@4ax.com>. ..
    It takes less than 2 minutes, if you take your time, to remove the ball and the same amount of time to remount it.
    Bull****. If you can get *mine* off in less than 2 minutes, I'll give
    you the *car* ...
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    Steve Furbish <sfurbish@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<Wt6dnRKVmL3AN8XcRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    I've never seen a trailer ball hitch sooo large that it obstructed the license plate to the point where one couldn't read the characters on the plate itself.
    You're own limited experience notwithstanding - I have. A 2-inch ball mounted on a pickup truck bumper will almost invariably block the clear view of all numbers or characters on an otherwise properly mounted plate when viewed from a vehicle following directly behind.
    *All*? If you can find a 2-inch ball that can block my "F22565", I'll
    *give you the truck*. Now quit bein' as big a moron as Damocles.
    --
    C.R. Krieger
    (Been there; done that)

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    C.R. Krieger wrote:
    Steve Furbish <sfurbish@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<Wt6dnRKVmL3AN8XcRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    I've never seen a trailer ball hitch sooo large that it obstructed the license plate to the point where one couldn't read the characters on the plate itself.
    You're own limited experience notwithstanding - I have. A 2-inch ball mounted on a pickup truck bumper will almost invariably block the clear view of all numbers or characters on an otherwise properly mounted plate when viewed from a vehicle following directly behind.
    *All*? If you can find a 2-inch ball that can block my "F22565", I'll *give you the truck*. Now quit bein' as big a moron as Damocles.
    He's not even close.



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    C.R. Krieger wrote:
    peterwn@parazzdise.net.nz (Peter) wrote in message news:<4156147f.11107528@news.paradise.net.nz>...
    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <so@damocl.es>wrote:
    But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
    But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
    Not in Wisconsin. Most smaller trailers need *no* license plate.
    Looks like they can cite you for having "dirt" on your car's
    registration plate though and it can cost you a couple hundred bucks?

    Steve

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    C.R. Krieger wrote:
    Steve Furbish <sfurbish@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<Wt6dnRKVmL3AN8XcRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    I've never seen a trailer ball hitch sooo large that itobstructed the license plate to the point where onecouldn't read the characters on the plate itself.
    You're own limited experience notwithstanding - I have. A 2-inch ballmounted on a pickup truck bumper will almost invariably block the clearview of all numbers or characters on an otherwise properly mounted platewhen viewed from a vehicle following directly behind.
    *All*? If you can find a 2-inch ball that can block my "F22565", I'll *give you the truck*. Now quit bein' as big a moron as Damocles.
    Who said anything about all? You mentioned Wisconsin. The most recent
    version of their statute that I could find reads "(2) Registration
    plates shall be attached firmly and rigidly in a
    horizontal position and conspicuous place. The plates shall at all
    times be maintained in a legible condition and shall be so displayed
    that they can be readily and distinctly seen and read. Any peace
    officer may require the operator of any vehicle on which plates are
    not properly displayed to display such plates as required by this section."

    A 2-inch ball can arguably defy that readily and distinctly seen and
    read requirement. If all one can see is F2__54 when following you then
    the reading part isn't met. The plate is designed to identify your
    vehicle from a normal following distance without having to swerve from
    shoulder to shoulder to do so. I don't know how it would be enforced in
    Wisconsin, but in Maine it'd be a civil violation and although
    admittedly a cheap pinch - easy to prove.

    Steve

    P.S. I don't want your truck

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    S. O. Damocles wrote:
    C.R. Krieger wrote:
    Steve Furbish <sfurbish@hotpop.com> wrote in messagenews:<Wt6dnRKVmL3AN8XcRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
    S. O. Damocles wrote:>I've never seen a trailer ball hitch sooo large that it>obstructed the license plate to the point where one>couldn't read the characters on the plate itself.You're own limited experience notwithstanding - I have. A2-inch ballmounted on a pickup truck bumper will almost invariablyblock the clearview of all numbers or characters on an otherwise properlymounted platewhen viewed from a vehicle following directly behind.
    *All*? If you can find a 2-inch ball that can block my"F22565", I'll *give you the truck*. Now quit bein' as big a moron asDamocles.
    He's not even close.
    Having read some of your "stuff" I'll have to agree.

    Steve

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