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    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told
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    On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:16:47 -0500, bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com
    (cappucine) wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was toldby someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked themartindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Just because someone doesn't subscribe to Martindale-Hubbell doesn't
    mean they're an attorney. To find out whether someone is an attorney,
    you should check with the licensing authority in the state he or she
    practices.

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    "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
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    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Martindale-Hubbell is slack about getting all the lawyers' names in its
    publication. It's really a rather pissy place to look. Call or write the
    state bar in your state's capital.







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    cappucine wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    And they probably aren't in the Anchorage Alaska Yellow Pages
    either, numbnuts. MH doesn't list every licensed lawyer in the country.
    If you want to know for sure, contact the State Bar association and
    see if they are registered/active.



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    "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
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    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Martindale-Hubbell is slack about getting all the lawyers' names in its
    publication. It's really a rather pissy place to look. Call or write the
    state bar in your state's capital.



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    bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com (cappucine) wrote
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    While Martindale-Hubble lists most lawyers in the US, it does not
    have them all. Check with your states Bar Association to see if the
    person is really a lawyer. If not, ask them how to file a
    complaint, if you want to do that.

    Stu


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    It seems "cappucine" wrote in misc.legal.moderated:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was toldby someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked themartindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Impersonating a lawyer, or practicing law without a license?

    If I tell you I'm a lawyer but refuse to give you legal advice, I
    don't believe any crime or tort has been committed. But if I give
    you legal advice, even without saying I'm a lawyer, I may have
    committed a crime and if you are harmed by relying on my advice you
    can probably sue me and collect damages.

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    "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
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    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was
    told
    by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Impersonating an attorney is not a crime if there is no fraud or
    practicing law involved.
    Fraud is a crime.
    Practicing law without a licence is a crime.
    Not all lawyers are listed in Martindale-Hubble. That's no crime.

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    cappucine wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Attorneys manage to do it every day. Including a lot of judges.


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    In article <c08p301qg4rqu8jf89j1chd9h6hdqob3uq@4ax.com>,
    cappucine <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was toldby someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked themartindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    It depends on the circumstances.

    If done for money, it's a crime.

    If done to impress someone in a bar, being thought a lawyer.

    Seth


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    On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:16:47 -0500, cappucine <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com>
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    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    I just searched for my own name and didn't find it at Martindale-Hubble
    (I have not submitted my name), but I can easily demonstrate that I am licensed
    by searching at my home jurisdiction's web page.

    You need to collect some more evidence.

    Isaac


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    >>>>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:16:47 -0500, cappucine ("cappucine") writes:
    cappucine> What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer?

    I'm sure it depends on whether you're a member of the bar.




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    "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
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    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Martindale-Hubble is not always up to date or accurate, and neither is
    Westlaw's Legal Directory. To be sure if some is licenesed as an attorney,
    check with that state's supreme court to see if that person is listed as a
    licensed attorney. That would be the only way to be sure. Many times, this
    information may be available online with the state court's website.


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    cappucine wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Saying they're a lawyer to pick up women (questionable tactic) - or
    offering to perform or performing legal services on behalf of a client?
    The penalty for the latter varies from state to state.

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    > What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told
    by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    The answer varies from state to state.

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    bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com (cappucine) wrote in message
    news:<c08p301qg4rqu8jf89j1chd9h6hdqob3uq@4ax.com>. ..
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer?
    Unfortunately, there is no penalty for wearing a 3-piece pinstripe
    suit and wingtip loafers, other than an acute sense of being a fashion
    reactionary.

    Oh. That's not what you meant. Someone who is not admitted to the
    bar of the highest court of a State, who does things in that State
    which, per that State's rules, can only legally be done by a lawyer,
    has committed "unauthorized practice of law." Penalties vary from
    state to state, but the most common is probably disbarment (if the
    person is admitted in any _other_ state) and/or an injunction against
    ever impersonating a lawyer in that state again. Violation of such a
    court-order is punishable as contempt of court.
    I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    That's a privately owned business and they don't necessarily list
    everybody, even tho they claim to come close in their printed
    materials. However, I think that on their website, they only allow
    public access to attys who _pay_ M-H for the privilege. I, for
    example, am not listed there. The only way to know for sure if
    someone is a duly admitted atty at law in good standing is to check
    with the official state Bar of the state where the person claims to be
    admitted to practice, and see if he is listed as a member in good
    standing.

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    cappucine wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.

    Hey dood! I'm not listed in the phone book so I don't exist right?
    But I've got a driver's license, two cars and a home.

    I can tell you I'm any thing I think you'll believe.
    Is there a law against that? Not likely.
    It's what you do with it that makes it illegal.


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    Ok, done that, he ISN'T a lawyer. So now maybe someone could please
    answer my question which was: What is the penalty for impersonating a
    lawyer????
    Martindale-Hubbell is slack about getting all the lawyers' names in its publication. It's really a rather pissy place to look. Call or write the state bar in your state's capital.

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    I did that you freakin asswipe loser. Why don't you answer the
    question, which isn't about HOW to find out if a person is a lawyer,
    but what the penalty is for impersonating a lawyer. Or are you so
    stupid that you can't pick out the main point in an extremely short
    paragraph? You are obviously not doing any impersonating, you are the
    real deal.
    And they probably aren't in the Anchorage Alaska Yellow Pages either, numbnuts. MH doesn't list every licensed lawyer in the country. If you want to know for sure, contact the State Bar association and see if they are registered/active.

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    cappucine wrote:
    I did that you freakin asswipe loser.
    Funny, you failed to mention that in your fact
    pattern you ignoramus.

    You stated, and I quote:
    I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the *** martindale-hubble website*** they weren't in there.
    Nothing in your little whine about whether you actually checked
    with the State Bar Assoc, and in fact checked every State Bar Assoc
    since you also fail to mention in what State (country) this person
    claimed to be an attorney.



    Why don't you answer the question, which isn't about HOW to find out if a person is a lawyer, but what the penalty is for impersonating a lawyer.
    You've failed to in fact determine that they are not a lawyer,
    so any "penalty" is irrelevant, you imbecile.
    Or are you so stupid that you can't pick out the main point in an extremely short paragraph?
    You're the pig-ignorant idiot who can't state the facts clearly
    in a simple paragraph. So which is it nutsack? Did you check
    each/every State Bar Association or just MarHub as you stated?

    You are obviously not doing any impersonating, you are the real deal.
    Sez the top-posting retard who's too stupid to determine
    whether someone is or isn't a registered lawyer.


    And they probably aren't in the Anchorage Alaska Yellow Pages either, numbnuts. MH doesn't list every licensed lawyer in the country. If you want to know for sure, contact the State Bar association and see if they are registered/active.
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    the fundamental ethics of the profession.

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    cappucine wrote:
    Ok, done that, he ISN'T a lawyer. So now maybe someone could please answer my question which was: What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer????
    You did that in each and every State that they could possibly
    be licensed in, eh moron?


    Martindale-Hubbell is slack about getting all the lawyers' names in its publication. It's really a rather pissy place to look. Call or write the state bar in your state's capital.
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    it is always a simple matter to drag the people
    along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
    dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
    dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
    always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
    they are being attacked and denounce the
    pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
    the country to danger. It works the same way
    in any country."

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    McGyver wrote:
    "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message news:c08p301qg4rqu8jf89j1chd9h6hdqob3uq@4ax.com...
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Impersonating an attorney is not a crime if there is no fraud or practicing law involved. Fraud is a crime. Practicing law without a licence is a crime. Not all lawyers are listed in Martindale-Hubble. That's no crime.
    A misdemeanor perhaps ...
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    neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
    nor for that matter in Germany.
    That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
    of the country who determine the policy and
    it is always a simple matter to drag the people
    along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
    dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
    dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
    always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
    they are being attacked and denounce the
    pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
    the country to danger. It works the same way
    in any country."

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    "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
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    Ok, done that, he ISN'T a lawyer. So now maybe someone could please answer my question which was: What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer????
    Well... Your Question Implies that there is a Criminal Prohibition [In
    Your State] against "impersonating a lawyer"... and the Proble is, I Very
    Much Doubt there is [Black Letter Law] Statute which makes a Crime of
    Falsely Informing or in Any Other Way, Pretending To Be a Lawyer to Another
    Person... Natural OR Fictitious... Therefore, it follows that there *Cannot
    Be* a "penalty" for Doing Crime That Doesn't Exist...

    Impersonating a Lawyer of course, is Distinguished From "UPL"... [the]
    Unauthorized Practice of Law... wherein one Brazenly Walks Into The
    Courtroom and Falsely Represents that one is a Licensed Attorney...

    Even at that, "UPL" is NOT a "Crime"... "Statutorily Prohibited"... in
    Colorado at least... Here, UPL is a "Contempt Of Court"... where Only The
    Court can Complain Against - and Jail - an "Offender"...
    Martindale-Hubbell is slack about getting all the lawyers' names in its publication. It's really a rather pissy place to look. Call or write
    the
    state bar in your state's capital.
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    On 26 Feb 2004 08:17:32 -0800, cappucine <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote:
    I did that you freakin asswipe loser. Why don't you answer the question, which isn't about HOW to find out if a person is a lawyer, but what the penalty is for impersonating a lawyer. Or are you so stupid that you can't pick out the main point in an extremely short paragraph? You are obviously not doing any impersonating, you are the real deal.
    No one can answer your question without knowing what you mean by
    "impersonating a lawyer". That term could include anything from
    activities which are not criminal to something which is prohibited
    by criminal statute in some states.

    If impersonating a lawyer means something other than practicing law,
    or advertising legal services, then there may very well be no penalty
    involved at all.

    In some states there are criminal penalties for practicing law without
    an in state license. In other states (for example Arizona) there are no
    criminal penalties. In every state there are at least some ways that
    a lawyer might legally practice law in a limited fashion state in which he
    is not licensed.

    I hope you can see now why nobody is bothering to answer your question.
    Your question does not have an answer.

    Isaac

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    On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:00:56 -0500, "Richard" <anonymous@127.000>
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    I can tell you I'm any thing I think you'll believe.Is there a law against that? Not likely.
    And "Richard" gets it wrong again.

    Every state has laws against impersonating a police officer, and there
    are a variety of laws against impersonating government officials or
    members of the military.

    It's even a crime to falsely represent yourself to be a citzen of the
    United States. 18 USC section 911.

    Some of these laws require a showing of damage or fraud (i.e.,
    impersonating something in order to obtain something of value), but
    many do not.


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    On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:16:47 -0500, bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com
    (cappucine) wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was toldby someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked themartindale-hubble website they weren't in there.
    Not all lawyers are listed in M-H.

    If they really aren't a lawyer, contact your state bar's unauthorized
    practice office with an explanation of what the person did that may
    onstitute practice of law. If you've actually been harmed, talk to a
    local lawyer about whether you may have a claim.

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    Gerald Clough <firstinitiallastname@texas.net> wrote
    cappucine wrote:
    What is the penalty for impersonating a lawyer? I recently was told by someone that they were an attorney, but when I checked the martindale-hubble website they weren't in there. Saying they're a lawyer to pick up women (questionable tactic) - or offering to perform or performing legal services on behalf of a client? The penalty for the latter varies from state to state.
    I've never had luck telling women that I'm a lawyer. It works a
    whole lot better to say, when they ask, that I lie, cheat and steal
    for a living.

    Stu


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    Dan Evans wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:00:56 -0500, "Richard" <anonymous@127.000> wrote:
    I can tell you I'm any thing I think you'll believe. Is there a law against that? Not likely.
    And "Richard" gets it wrong again. Every state has laws against impersonating a police officer, and there are a variety of laws against impersonating government officials or members of the military.
    Really? And the elements of said crimes perhaps require more
    than a mere verbal declaration ...?

    It's even a crime to falsely represent yourself to be a citzen of the United States. 18 USC section 911.
    Falsely report to whom, and for what benefit?
    Some of these laws require a showing of damage or fraud (i.e., impersonating something in order to obtain something of value),
    Bingo!
    but many do not.
    Care to cite those that criminalize the "mere utterance" ...?

    *Dan Evans *"One is not superior merely because one *sees the world as odious." *Francios Rene de Chateaubriand (1768-1848).
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    nor for that matter in Germany.
    That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
    of the country who determine the policy and
    it is always a simple matter to drag the people
    along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
    dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
    dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
    always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
    they are being attacked and denounce the
    pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
    the country to danger. It works the same way
    in any country."

    - Hermann Goering, Nazi Reichsmarshall


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    Dan Evans wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:00:56 -0500, "Richard" <anonymous@127.000> wrote:
    I can tell you I'm any thing I think you'll believe.Is there a law against that? Not likely.
    And "Richard" gets it wrong again. Every state has laws against impersonating a police officer, and there are a variety of laws against impersonating government officials or members of the military.
    But, because simply criminalizing someone telling someone else they're a
    public servant can get into problems with what conduct was to be
    prohibited, statutes often include the element that the actor caused or
    intended to cause someone to act on the pretended authority. Some state
    include military officer.



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    Is it not amazing that no person here can answer the question simply and directly?

    What is the penalty in Florida for impersonating a lawyer?

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