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08-10-2003, 04:45 PM
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Leaving the USA
As an American, I must beg pardon from all who this idiot insults with his hatred. Perhaps he never heard of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, Samuel Adams (not the beer) Ben Franklin, or any of the other famous "immigrants" to the USA (all were born in England). The first 8 presidents were all foreigh born actually. I am sure he is also unaware of other celebs such as: General John Shalikashvili, Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, Madeleine Albright, Henry Kissinger, Alexander Graham Bell, Bob Hope, Angela Landsbury, Gloria Estefan, Ann Margret, Sidney Poitier, Mikhail Baryshnikov, Malcom Forbes, Irving Berlin, Al Jolson, Frank Capra, Pamela Anderson, Edward Teller, Enrico Fermi, Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Thomas Mann, Charlie Chaplin, Joseph Pulitzer, Alfred Hitchcock, Louis B. Mayer, Samuel Goldwyn, Levi Strauss, Carlos Santana, Gene Simmons, Peter Jennings, Neil Diamond, Andre Agassi or many hundreds of others whose contributions have helped make America what it is today (for better or worse). We of course have many famous "Real" Americans, such as: Timothy McVeigh, Charles Manson, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Dillinger, Billy the Kid, O.J. Simpson... There are good and bad in all lands. There are people that contribute, and those that leech off of every society. While I might agree that America is being flooded by immigrants in the last 50 years, and I personally believe that too many from certain countries are being allowed in- I do believe that most will be an asset to the US. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com 
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08-10-2003, 09:08 PM
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08-11-2003, 09:55 AM
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ironporer <member10524@britishexpats.com> wrote in message news:<909681.1060559150@britishexpats.com>...
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*******I agree with most of your post, particularly since I am married to a foreigner and have had quite a few interesting experiences during our immigration experience. A BIG *however*....you are extremely WRONG about the place of birth regarding the founding fathers you mentioned. I am a 14th generation Virginian and I know American History like the back of my hand. I am blood *related* to most of the names you dropped. Every one of them were BORN in America. Where in the *world* are you getting your information? I've got a very busy life but this post was so shocking to me that I am more than happy to provide you with citations to prove I am right. In the meantime, pick up some early American biographies. You clearly need to become better educated on these matters.
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08-14-2003, 10:43 AM
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ironporer <member10524@britishexpats.com> wrote in message news:<909681.1060559150@britishexpats.com>...
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John Adams (1797-1801) Massachusetts Thomas Jefferson (1801-09) Virginia James Madison (1809-17) Virginia James Monroe (1817-25) Virginia John Quincy Adams (1825-29) Massachusetts Andrew Jackson (1829-37) South Carolina Martin Van Buren (1837-41) New York William Henry Harrison (1841) Virginia John Tyler (1841-45) Virginia James K. Polk (1845-49) North Carolina Zachary Taylor (1849-50) Virginia Millard Fillmore (1850-53) New York Franklin Pierce (1853-57) New Hampshire James Buchanan (1857-61) Pennsylvania Abraham Lincoln (1861-65) Kentucky Andrew Johnson (1865-69) North Carolina Ulysses S. Grant (1869-77) Ohio Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-81) Ohio James A. Garfield (1881) Ohio Chester A. Arthur (1881-85) Vermont Grover Cleveland (1885-89) New Jersey Benjamin Harrison (1889-93) Ohio Grover Cleveland (1893-97) New Jersey William McKinley (1897-1901) Ohio Theodore Roosevelt (1901-09) New York William H. Taft (1909-13) Ohio Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) Virginia Warren G. Harding (1921-23) Ohio Calvin Coolidge (1923-29) Vermont Herbert Hoover (1929-33) Iowa Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-45) New York Harry S. Truman (1945-53) Missouri Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-61) Texas John F. Kennedy (1961-63) Massachusetts Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-69) Texas Richard M. Nixon (1969-74) California Gerald R. Ford (1974-77) Nebraska Jimmy Carter (1977-81) Georgia Ronald Reagan (1981-89) Illinois George Bush (1989-93) Massachusetts William J. Clinton (1993-2001) Arkansas George W. Bush (2001-) Connecticut Neither Franklin or Hamilton were presidents, i see where you have been called on the carpet, just thought i would rub it in a little.
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08-14-2003, 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Wiley Quote:
Okay, maybe you have found some mistake. Please write and some others will pick on you. FFFF..... be proud on a free country where you can to a certain extend choose your lifestyle. Here in europe we have to many rules, muslims etc Here they tell you that you can put your garbage out between 06.00 and 06.45 but only if it's blue, humidity is below ... percent and your wife accompanies you in a football shirt. Guys, be proud to be american. Everywhere is somethin to complain, you live in a great country. No-one can build somethin alone, we need eachother, even if we want to just visit eachother to have a nice holiday, when we tell you how to find your way around so we all have a nice time. Life is too short I've seen orfaniges in Peru with children 2 - 7 years old. They have nothing. BUT they HAVE STILL a smile on their face. We don't achieve anything with hatred. so, thats out. Have a nice time -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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08-17-2003, 10:29 AM
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"ironporer" <member10524@britishexpats.com> wrote in message
news:909681.1060559150@britishexpats.com... Quote:
A real American has a U.S. Birth Certificate. Quote:
Is this the kind of nonsense they teach you in the UK? Slaves worked hard to build this country. They are NOT immigrants (ask Dekka's Angel on British ex-spats) American Native Indians worked hard to build this country. They are NOT immigrants. Real Americans who were born in the USA worked hard to build this country. They are NOT immigrants. Most immigrants these days are useless people trying to take the credit of a small number of helpful immigrants and try to steal the credit of non-immigrants. Quote:
immigrants who come here annualy. So most immigrants are useless people. And the fact that you chose to ignore the loss to their country of origin indicates that you have no allegiance to your country of origin or where the quality of life of others in the world is headed. All the "immigrant" wants to do is barge into somebody else's country which will offer him a higher quality of life. Ask any Asia Indian or Russian. Quote:
They should be made to wait like the Filipinos have to.
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08-17-2003, 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Amer20034 Quote:
Listen Amer2003 (and I am trying really HARD not to go nuclear) aka sick, twisted, xenophobic, racist troll: I am TIRED of you using my name and my very-tailored argument to support your grossly-overreaching, hate-filled point. I explained my belief about why slaves are not immigrants, and why the label in our case does a disservice to our quite unique American experience. I stand by everything I said. But that is NOT the same thing support for YOUR argument, or any other of the sick ones you've made since, about the distinction between "Americans" and Non. To the contrary, as I reiterated the ONE time I responded - we ALL built this country. Immigrants and non. Go back and read it, if you like. This weak bull**** of yours about "Real Americans" being defined by a US-issued birth certificate finds no support in law *or* reason. It's just hate, from everything I've seen you post. And no matter what I personally think about any issue, hate is not what motivates me. And it turns my stomach to be associated with it. So stop. If you don't know how to make an argument on your own fine. Stop making the argument. Especially if you wish to pull those of us who have made plain our disagreement with you and your viewpoint clear since the moment you opened that cesspool you call an American mouth. Thank you. -- Dekka's Angel Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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08-24-2003, 08:28 PM
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"Dekka's Angel" <member8849@britishexpats.com> wrote in message
news:921052.1061153789@britishexpats.com... Quote:
it has been suggested that people of African descent in the U.S. have a greater propensity than others to lose their cool, and you are a classic example. Just look at our prison population. When large groups of African-"Americans" go "nulcear" (like in the 1992 Los Angeles riots), the USA will have to deploy our National Guard to maintain Law and Order for the benefit of other residents here. And the National Guard is very good at restoring Law and Order (much better than the Fire Department was during the 1965 Watts riots). We would prefer not to have to use any of those means again. There are real Americans who do not belong to your clan who understand your rights and concerns as real Americans, who will not tolerate any clan going nuclear here. So it might be better for you and your clan not to go nuclear in any event  Allowing foreigners into the USA in large numbers has always had its problems for the locals. The bigger cost in the long run is when racist descendants of the original immigrants start whining about why their immigrant forefathers had a harder time than others, and start demanding additional support and handouts for their kind/clan at the expense of other real Americans living here today. You are the racist around here for putting the betterment of your clan before the betterment of our Nation. Quote:
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You are simply a reference to something you posted that I agree with. Quote:
And it is about time real Americans realized that there are too many other countries that deny us liberties on the grounds that we weren't born in their country. Many of them are the "Jus Sanguinis" bigots who like talking about ancestry and family trees. And these foreigners are the ones whining that they want our citizenship today, for their clandestine agendas. And their true allegiance will always be to their damn HOMEland, not to the USA. And since you post from a British ex-spats account and brought up this "nuclear" topic, I must ask you if you know anything about the UK Citizen shoe bomber (who was of Asia Indian descent) or that other 68-year old UK citizen (who was also of Asia Indian origin) who was caught in a sting operation trying to sell anti-aircraft weapons to hurt the USA, or anyone else in the UK who, like yourself, might go "nuclear". Because the FBI and the CIA would like to know. Thank you.
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#9
08-24-2003, 11:08 PM
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We're all wasting our time on these trolls. I feel that Amer20034 is having us on and also that user OLIVER COSTICH is one and the same. Their posts are similar. -- Posted via http://britishexpats.com
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