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    Americans oppose increase in immigration

    "Oliver Costich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:08:42 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote:
    "Oliver Costich" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected] .com...
    On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 08:25:10 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote: >"Oliver Costich" <[email protected]> wrote in message >news:[email protected] . >> On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 07:05:28 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]>
    >> >> >Washington Times = Moonie Bull**** >> >> So you contend that they fabricated all the polls referenced? > >I contend that the Washington Times is owned by the Rev. Moon and is >bull****. > I'm sure he has a hand in day to day operations. If you ever read it, you'd see there is no Moonie propaganda in it. If you didn't know his Church owned it, you wouldn't be able to tell they did by reading it.From the end of the Japanese occupation of Korea, Moon learned
    to despise the brutal excesses of North Korean communism. His experiencesinspired a lasting hatred of Communism that helped him forge a powerfulpolitical alliance with the Reagan administration. Moon has spent a
    dollars to run the conservative, influential Washington Times, which in
    he called "the instrument in spreading the truth about God to the world."And decades after Congressional scrutiny and a prison term for tax fraud,his generosity to the New Right (including opening an account for the"Contra" part of the Iran-Contra equation) has earned him a world ofdeference from his former enemies. So what? The news content of the paper is as good as most others.
    Then why don't any other news outlets pick up their stories, except for
    Moons other outlets and right-wing wacko outlets like WorldNetDaily?
    I repeat, do you contend that the data and poll results in the article are fabricated?I said nothing about the article. I said something about the publication.
    In a thread thay was about the contents of the article. You were attempting to discredit the article and, now caught, are tap dancing.
    Go back and read my responses over months to these challenges. I've said the
    same thing.
    What if it were the Christian Science Monitor that reported this?
    See above. Above where?
    Above where I said "above."
    >> >> > >> > >> >"Steve Dufour" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> >news:[email protected] com... >> >> Americans oppose increase in immigration >> >> >> >> >> >> By Stephen Dinan >> >> THE WASHINGTON TIMES >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Most Americans adamantly oppose both increasing the amount of >> >> legal immigration to the United States and legalizing those
    >> >> now here illegally, the two key elements in President Bush's >> >> immigration overhaul proposal. >> >> On no other foreign policy issue do average Americans
    >> >> more with government and business leaders and other "elites" than
    >> >> immigration. >> >> "The number of people who want immigration increased is very >> >> small," said Steven A. Camarota, research director for the Centerfor
    >> >> Immigration Studies. "If 55 or 60 percent of the public wants
    >> >> immigration, a third wants it the same and 7 percent wants it
    more -
    >> >> [Mr. Bush] is going for that 7 percent." >> >> The issue cuts across party lines, but already yesterdayopponents
    >> >> in Congress were lining up. >> >> Mr. Bush proposed allowing illegal aliens already in the
    >> >> States and foreign residents to apply for legal work status here,
    >> >> long as an employer has certified he would employ the person and
    >> >> U.S. worker is readily available. >> >> The president also proposed increasing the level of overalllegal
    >> >> immigration, and though he didn't specifically guarantee that the >> >> guest workers would get legal permanent residence, members of
    >> >> said they expect the two will have to be tied together somehow. >> >> But a Gallup poll from June found only 13 percent of
    >> >> thought immigration should be increased, while 47 percent said it >> >> should be reduced and 37 percent said it should be kept at itspresent
    >> >> level. >> >> Opposition has remained high for several years. A Zogby poll
    >> >> 2002 found that 58 percent of Americans wanted to reduce
    >> >> 65 percent disagreed with amnesty and 68 percent felt the United >> >> States should deploy military troops to the border to curb
    >> >> immigration. >> >> Meanwhile, 60 percent of Americans believe present
    >> >> levels are a "critical threat to the vital interests of the
    >> >> States." But when the poll asked the same question of government >> >> officials, business leaders and journalists, only 14 percent
    >> >> so. >> >> When asked whether immigration levels should be kept the
    >> >> increased or reduced, 55 percent of Americans opted for a
    >> >> while 18 percent of the poll's sample of "elites" thought so, >> >> according to an analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies. >> >> Also, proposals that are seen as soft on illegal immigrants
    >> >> come back to bite politicians before. >> >> Just last year, California Gov. Gray Davis was hurt in his
    >> >> stave off a recall when he signed a bill to let illegal
    >> >> obtain state driver's licenses. The new governor, Arnold >> >> Schwarzenegger, pushed a repeal of that provision through the >> >> legislature. >> >> An exit poll commissioned by the Federation for American >> >> Immigration Reform showed that 30 percent of California voters
    >> >> they were somewhat or much more likely to vote against Mr. Davis >> >> because he signed the law. Only 8 percent of voters were somewhat
    >> >> much more likely to support him because of it. >> >> "How did Davis get it so wrong?" Mr. Camarota said. "The
    >> >> is, he and people like George Bush live in an echo chamber ofelites,
    >> >> where the received wisdom on immigration is all the same." >> >> "But once you get out of the Beltway, or leave the offices of
    >> >> Chamber of Commerce, the number of people in the U.S. who think
    >> >> good idea to give legal status to illegal aliens, or more
    >> >> increase immigration, is very small," Mr. Camarota said. >> >> Still, guest-worker proponents say that if they get a chance
    >> >> explain their plans, they can win over the public. >> >> "The difference here is some people see this being portrayed
    >> >> the Pat Buchanans of the world as launching a new wave ofimmigration,
    >> >> whereas we see it more as acknowledging the wave that has already >> >> happened," said Rep. Jeff Flake, Arizona Republican, who is
    >> >> one of the leading guest-worker proposals pending in Congress. >> >> His proposal, which he is sponsoring along with two fellow
    >> >> Republicans - Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jim Kolbe - would allow
    >> >> illegal alien to pay a fine and apply for legal work status andafter
    >> >> completing two terms, they could apply for permanent legal
    >> >> Mr. Flake pointed to a poll of Arizona voters that found
    >> >> Flake's proposal was explained, it garnered 59 percent support.
    >> >> poll was conducted by KAET-TV and the Walter Cronkite School of >> >> Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University. >> >> And Don Stewart, spokesman for Sen. John Cornyn, the Texas >> >> Republican who has his own guest-worker program pending in theSenate,
    >> >> said he expects the public perception to change now that the
    >> >> has put something specific on the table. >> >> "People have been polling in the abstract, now they're
    >> >> something specific, and the numbers will change accordingly," Mr. >> >> Stewart said. Mr. Bush's guest-worker proposal closely tracks the
    >> >> Mr. Cornyn is sponsoring in the Senate. >> >> Even proponents like Mr. Kolbe said they don't expect to pass >> >> their bill this year. >> >> "It's probably likely we will not see legislative action
    >> >> 2005," he said. >> >> Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican and an opponent of theproposals,
    >> >> said sufficient opposition exists among rank-and-file Republicans
    >> >> key committees that Mr. Bush would have to make a serious effort
    >> >> convince Congress to act. >> >> "I think it'll take a push from leadership, and it just
    >> >> whether the president can put enough leverage on the speaker and
    >> >> [House Majority Leader] Tom DeLay," Mr. King said. >> >> Mr. King said whatever happens, he and other Republicans will >> >> fight it. >> >> "I can tell you it will be a gloves-off fight all the way >> >> through," he said. >> >> Mr. DeLay last night said he supports a guest-worker program
    >> >> grow the economy and enhance security, but said he remains"skeptical
    >> >> that [Mr. Bush´s plan] constitutes sound public policy." >> >> "I applaud President Bush for his leadership and courage in >> >> addressing this complex and difficult issue, but I have heartfelt >> >> concerns about allowing illegal immigrants into a U.S.
    >> >> program because it seems to reward illegal behavior," he said.


    • #17
      Americans oppose increase in immigration

      supernav <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
      Trust me. American restaurants and grocery stores and department stores can't wait for Bush's announcements. All the $9-$15/hr waitresses, chefs and clerks will all be layed off overnight and replaced with legal $5.50/hr mexicans. There won't be a SINGLE american-born worker in any of those service stores in any of the 50 states. Good god it's gonna get ugly. (think about it. Why would you have 80 employees in walmart making $12/hr, when there's 3,000 mexicans outside your door now with valid gc's willing to work for min. wage?). -= nav =-

      Blacks are gonna get screwed again on this one. Sadly, they still
      vote for Democrats who are worse than Republicans.

      At least 60 Repubs & 1 Democrat in the House will try to stop this led
      by Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado.

      When people were asked whether the United States should make it easier
      for illegal immigrants to become citizens, 74 percent said no - up
      from 67 percent in August 2001.

      The poll of 1,003 adults was taken Jan. 9-11 and had a margin of
      sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.