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    Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

    The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not
    to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the
    HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.

    The Vatican
    Vatican advice on condoms is at odds with the WHO

    The church is making the claims across four continents despite a
    widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to the HIV
    virus.

    A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms,
    despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are untrue.

    The church's claims are revealed in a BBC1 Panorama programme, Sex and
    the Holy City, to be broadcast on Sunday. The president of the Vatican's
    Pontifical Council for the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, told
    the programme: "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the
    spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is
    formed by the condom.

    They are wrong

    "These margins of uncertainty... should represent an obligation on the
    part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same
    way as they do with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger."

    The WHO has condemned the Vatican's views, saying: "These incorrect
    statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a
    global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people,
    and currently affects at least 42 million."

    The organisation says "consistent and correct" condom use reduces the
    risk of HIV infection by 90%. There may be breakage or slippage of
    condoms - but not, the WHO says, holes through which the virus can pass .

    Scientific research by a group including the US National Institutes of
    Health and the WHO found "intact condoms... are essentially impermeable
    to particles the size of STD pathogens including the smallest sexually
    transmitted virus... condoms provide a highly effective barrier to
    transmission of particles of similar size to those of the smallest STD
    viruses".

    The Vatican's Cardinal Trujillo said: "They are wrong about that... this
    is an easily recognisable fact."

    Laced condoms


    Some priests have even been saying that condoms are laced with HIV/Aids
    Gordon Wambi, AIDS testing centre in Kenya
    The church opposes any kind of contraception because it claims it breaks
    the link between sex and procreation - a position Pope John Paul II has
    fought to defend.

    In Kenya - where an estimated 20% of people have the HIV virus - the
    church condemns condoms for promoting promiscuity and repeats the claim
    about permeability. The archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki,
    said: "Aids... has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."

    Sex and the Holy City includes a Catholic nun advising her HIV-infected
    choirmaster against using condoms with his wife because "the virus can
    pass through".

    In Lwak, near Lake Victoria, the director of an Aids testing centre says
    he cannot distribute condoms because of church opposition. Gordon Wambi
    told the programme: "Some priests have even been saying that condoms are
    laced with HIV/Aids."

    Panorama found the claims about permeable condoms repeated by Catholics
    as far apart as Asia and Latin America.

    Sex and the Holy City will be broadcast on BBC One on Sunday, 12
    October, 2003 at 22:15 BST.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ma/3180236.stm

  • #2
    OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

    Xenos the Elder wrote:
    Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV
    So why Xenos do you spread the truth about this man being responsible
    for the deaths of millions of people instead of lying and saying he was
    a " good " man?
    Why do you hate lies and hypocrisy so much?
    Who cares about millions of dead 3 worldlers?
    Definitely not those 4-5 people who attack you here in this ng for
    saying how it was.
    Fascist don't care about " other " people.
    Don't you get it Xenos?

    And I Xenos give a **** about those fascist.
    German, American or others.

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    • #3
      OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

      > Xenos the Elder wrote:
      Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV The Catholic Church is... <snipped>
      Are we obsessed?

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      • #4
        OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

        The Dave© wrote:
        Xenos the Elder wrote:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIVThe Catholic Church is...<snipped> Are we obsessed?
        I am not a catholic.
        So are you obsessed?
        With looking the other way while millions die because of the lies of an
        old ( now dead ) senile man?
        How you call this when somebody is killing people and you say " no no
        this is not true nobody got murdered ".
        The facts are there. Don't call a murderer a good man or even a very
        good man or even holy.
        What's holy about lying to people make them fear a nonexistent hell and
        let them die a death which could have been prevented?
        But who cares of those " niggers " we just don't use that word anymore
        but we are free to " think " it.

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        • #5
          OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

          The Dave© wrote:
          Xenos the Elder wrote:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIVThe Catholic Church is...<snipped> Are we obsessed?
          About The Westboro Baptist Church

          At the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard, they held up signs
          reading "No Fags in Heaven" and "God Hates Fags." According to their Web
          site, they have staged "20,000" protests across the nation and around
          the world in the last decade.
          Virulently homophobic, the Westboro Baptist Church has picketed the gay
          community at hundreds of events nationwide. Many of its fliers emphasize
          the race or religion of these individuals.
          They believe that "God's hatred is one of His holy attributes." They are
          the congregants of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.

          Incorporated in 1967 as a not-for-profit organization, the virulently
          homophobic Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) considers itself an "Old School
          (or, Primitive)" Baptist Church. The Church is led by the septuagenarian
          Reverend Fred Waldron Phelps Sr., and many WBC congregants are related
          to Phelps by blood. His wife, several of his children and dozens of his
          grandchildren frequent the church.

          While WBC has picketed the gay community at hundreds of events
          nationwide, most of the individuals protested by the Church are not
          homosexual. In fact, WBC most often targets people it mistakenly claims
          are gay or those it believes to be encouraging homosexuality. Many WBC
          fliers emphasize the race or religion of these individuals, suggesting
          that the Church's hate spreads beyond its abhorrence of homosexuality.
          What appears to be anti-gay rhetoric is often a vehicle for WBC's
          anti-Semitism, hatred of other Christians, and even racism, though in
          the 1980s Fred Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City
          Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the
          NAACP for his work on behalf of Black clients.

          Trained as a lawyer, Fred Phelps was disbarred in 1979 by the Kansas
          Supreme Court, which asserted that he had "little regard for the ethics
          of his profession." The formal complaint against Phelps charged that he
          misrepresented the truth in a motion for a new trial in a case he had
          brought, and that he held the defendant in the case up to "unnecessary
          public ridicule for which there is no basis in fact." Following his
          disbarment from Kansas State courts, Phelps continued to practice law in
          Federal courts. In 1985, nine Federal court judges filed a disciplinary
          complaint charging him and six of his family members, all attorneys,
          with making false accusations against them. The Phelpses fought the
          complaint but lost. In 1989, Fred Phelps agreed to surrender his license
          to practice law in Federal court in exchange for the Federal judges
          allowing the other members of his family to continue practicing in
          Federal court.

          In 1991, WBC staged its first public demonstration, targeting a park in
          Topeka allegedly frequented by gays. Thousands of protests have
          followed, and WBC shows no sign of slowing down. In addition to speeches
          on the picket lines, the Church spreads its hateful message via faxed
          fliers and "News Releases." These faxed documents also appear at WBC's
          notorious Web site, Godhatesfags.com, along with photos of Church
          pickets and a schedule of upcoming demonstrations. A second WBC Web
          site, Godhatesamerica.com, contends that the United States is "doomed"
          because it supports gays. According to Fred Phelps, "God invented the
          Internet for us to preach on."

          The following quotations from WBC materials and other sources expose the
          Church's views on Jews, gays, Blacks, Christians and the United States.
          WBC's own words best demonstrate the wide range and disturbing nature of
          its hatred.
          http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

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          • #6
            OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

            The Dave© wrote:
            Xenos the Elder wrote:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIVThe Catholic Church is...<snipped> Are we obsessed?
            On Jews

            “Gen. [Wesley] Clark opposed fags & dykes in the military—BUT—when he
            decided to run for President on the Democratic ticket he groveled like a
            mangy dog to the FagiNazis running the Democratic Party, and promised to
            lift the ban on gays in the military. His Christ-rejecting, God-hating
            Jew blood bubbled to the surface. Yes, like his boss [John] Kerry, Clark
            is a Jew….That these two turds are Jews would not matter—except when
            they ask for supreme political power & spit in the Face of God, pushing
            for same-sex marriage, threatening to bring down God’s wrath on us as on
            Sodom—then some inquiries are in order. Beware! ‘Jews killed the Lord
            Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please
            not God, and are contrary to all men; forbidding us to speak to the
            Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always; for the
            wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” 1 Thess. 2:14.’ Apostate fags
            & Jews certain to bring God’s wrath.”

            -- Westboro Baptist Church news release, March 2, 2004

            "Whatever righteous cause the Jewish victims of the 1930s-40s Nazi
            Holocaust had, (probably miniscule, compared to the Jewish Holocausts
            against Middle Passage Blacks, African Americans and Christians --
            including the bloody persecution of Westboro Baptist Church by Topeka
            Jews in the 1990s), has been drowned in sodomite semen. American
            taxpayers are financing this unholy monument to Jewish mendacity and
            greed and to filthy *** lust...Homosexuals and Jews dominated Nazi
            Germany...just as they now dominate this doomed U.S.A....The Jews now
            wander the earth despised, smitten with moral and spiritual blindness by
            a divine judicial stroke...And god has smitten Jews with a certain
            unique madness, whereby they are an astonishment of heart, a proverb,
            and a byword (the butt of jokes and ridicule) among all peoples whither
            the Lord has driven and scattered them...Jews, thus perverted, out of
            all proportion to their numbers energize the militant sodomite
            agenda...The American Jews are the real Nazis (misusers and abusers of
            governmental power) who hate God and the rule of law."

            -- "WBC to picket Holocaust Memorial Sodomite Museum in D.C. Jan. 20,"
            WBC "News Release," December 26, 1996

            "The only true Jews are Christians. The rest of the people who claim to
            be Jews aren't, and they are nothing more than typical, impenitent
            sinners, who have no Lamb. As evidence of their apostacy [sic], the vast
            majority of Jews support fags. Of course, there are Jews who still
            believe God's law, but most of them have even departed from that."

            -- "FAQ," WBC "Godhatesfags.com" Web site

            "As Hitler controlled the courts, prosecutors and police (Gestapo) in
            persecuting German Jews, so do Topeka Jews today in persecuting
            Baptists. As first century Jews stirred up the Roman tyrants in
            persecuting the primitive church, so do Topeka Jews today stir up Kansas
            tyrants in persecuting Westboro Baptists. They whine about the Nazi
            Holocaust, while they perpetrate the Topeka Holocaust."

            -- "Topeka's Baptist Holocaust," WBC flier, March 23, 1996

            "The Jew lawyers and judges of Temple Beth Sholom *******ize and
            prostitute the legal system to maliciously prosecute and persecute
            innocent Westboro Baptists, just as their Jewish ancestors manipulated
            the Roman legal system to torture and crucify the Lord Jesus Christ and
            persecute His disciples. The Jew psychiatrists and other shyster
            brain-washers of Temple Beth Sholom write columns and conduct seminars
            to vilify and slander innocent Westboro Baptists, just as their scribes,
            Rabbis, Pharisees and Sadducees did to the Lord Jesus Christ and his
            disciples in Bible days...The Jews of Temple Beth Sholom are sinful,
            greedy, Hell-bound, money-grubbing sodomites; and they have dedicated
            their synagogue to be a gay and lesbian propaganda mill and recruiting
            depot, soliciting young people to sodomy."

            -- "Westboro Baptists will picket the Jewish Arts Festival at Jewish
            Community Center...Temple Beth Sholom for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur,"
            WBC "News Release,"
            September 7, 1996

            "*** Jew Nazis are worse than ordinary Nazis. They've had more
            experience. Jews stirred up the Romans to butcher 6 million Christians
            in the catacombs in the 1st century. The First Holocaust was a Jewish
            Holocaust against Christians. The latest Holocaust is by Topeka Jews
            against WBC..."

            -- "Topeka's Dominant *** Jew Masters are now agitating for: Same-Sex
            *** Jew Marriage!" WBC flier, April 19, 1996

            "Worldwide Jewry and worldwide Fagery [sic] appear to have the same
            problem: They both want to criminalize Gospel preaching under misleading
            labels. Jews label Gospel preaching as Anti-Semitism; Fags label Gospel
            preaching as 'Hate Crimes.' Both groups -- Fags and Jews -- are
            doomed!...WBC buys trees for Israel. WBC prays for the peace of
            Jerusalem. But isn't there a logical correlation between Jewish tyranny
            & Anti-Semitism?"
            http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/wbc_on_jews.asp

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            • #7
              OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

              Xenos the Elder wrote:

              George Bush and the Rise of Christian Fascism

              Rev. Rich Lang
              Trinity United Methodist Church Seattle. <[email protected]>

              02/14/04: (ICH) The men who wrote the Constitution of the United States
              knew that we human beings have a tendency to 'not get along with each
              other'. They knew that if power accrued into the hands of an elite the
              experiment of democracy (power spread out into the realm of the people)
              would be over. So they created a system of checks and balances which
              blocked access to any one person, or any one special interest or elite
              gaining too much power over others. Thus our executive, legislative and
              judicial branches of government "checked" each other. The media was yet
              another "check" on the accrual of too much power as was the Bill of
              Rights which was written into the Constitution. The system wasn't
              perfect but it kept alive the possibility of true democracy. It kept
              alive the dream that one day "we the people" could live in a peaceful
              commonwealth where every person has what they need to survive and thrive.

              That dream died in December 2000 when the checks and balances of our
              Constitution collapsed and George Bush was inserted into the Presidency
              of the nited States. September 11, 2001 furthered the atrophying of
              democracy handing the country into the hands of an emerging Corporate
              (and I say Christian) Fascism.

              Since that time we have witnessed and have been unable to prevent the
              emergence of an Imperial Presidency that has the unrestricted power to
              declare war against any country he chooses. The Imperial Presidency has
              brought to an end the Constitutional mandate that 'ONLY CONGRESS' has
              the authority to declare war. It has furthered weakened international
              law and has undermined the potential of the United Nations to spread
              democracy throughout the earth.

              The President has also gained unrestricted power to round up unlimited
              numbers of American citizens and incarcerate them in military brigs or
              concentration camps for the rest of their lives. He can keep them from
              ever again communicating with friends, families, and attorneys, simply
              on the president's certification that

              the incarcerated are "terrorists," as he has done with Jose

              Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi. The President may also now kill American
              citizens abroad solely on the basis of his certification that the one
              killed is a "terrorist". Just ask the family and friends of Ahmed
              Hijazi, anAmerican killed with a U.S.-fired missile in Yemen. Therefore
              suspending the Constitutional right: "no person shall be denied life,
              liberty or property without due process of law."

              Ominous signs are all around us concerning the accrual of power into the
              hands of the Presidency. If Mr. Bush stays in office I think our future
              will continue to witness shrinking political rights, financial collapse
              and endless war. Part of the power and seduction of this administration
              emerges from its diabolical manipulation of Christian rhetoric. I want
              to flesh out the ideology of the Christian Fascism that Mr. Bush
              articulates. It is a form of Christianity that is the mirror opposite of
              what Jesus embodied. It is, indeed, the materialization of the spirit of
              antichrist: a perversion of Christian faith and practice.

              This country, like it or not, is overwhelmingly dominated by the
              ideology of the Christian story. It is not so much that our founders
              were all Christians. Rather, they lived in an atmosphere scented
              throughout by Christian thought and rhetoric. Just as most of us can't
              imagine how to keep things cold without refrigeration; so too our
              founders couldn't help but think through the lens of the Christian
              story. And what they saw was that America had become the New Israel (the
              new Promised Land) of God. America has understood itself as a benevolent
              nation seeking only the good of all. We have understand our wealth as a
              blessing given to us as a sign that we are a "chosen, special people"
              whose larger meaning is to help the world into an era of peace,
              prosperity and justice. Every politician draws on this "civil religion
              story" which gives authority to the politicians ambition and agenda.
              Another way of saying this is: every nation needs sacred legitimation.
              It needs the authority of transcendence: of a story larger than itself .
              a story that connects past with present and future. An Empire needs an
              even broader story: one that connects with cosmic and/or historical
              redemption and new creation.

              Martin Luther King understood this sacred American civil religion and
              was able to wed it brilliantly with the prophetic religious teachings of
              the Bible. He drew upon Biblical narratives which limited the power and
              authority of the elite while calling for economic redistribution of
              wealth. He drew upon teachings rooted in the personal morality of
              nonviolence and compassion. George Bush, on the other hand, also
              understands this sacred American 'civic gospel' and has brilliantly
              merged it with Biblical Holiness and Holy War traditions. These
              traditions call for the emergence of the Righteous Warrior who will
              cleanse the land of its impurity. These traditions are rooted in the
              personal morality of righteous zeal and obedience.

              For example:

              1.. Mr. Bush consistently sends signals to his right wing religious
              base. In last year's State of the Union he exhorted: "there's power,
              wonder working power, in the goodness and idealism and faith of the
              American people". It's a phrase from a well known Communion hymn
              "there's power, wonder working power in the blood of the lamb". Bush
              brings together the holiness zeal of Christian evangelicalism with
              patriotic fundamentalism. The core belief system of this 'civic gospel'
              goes something like this: The United States was founded as a Christian
              nation with free enterprise as the only economic system truly compatible
              with Christian beliefs. These religious values are today under attack in
              America. The danger is that without faith in God America will lose its
              blessing. Therefore, the government needs to act to protect the nation's
              religious heritage.

              2.. Mr. Bush's teachings on terrorism: "you are with us or against us"
              cements for the hearer the apocalyptic world of good versus evil. There
              can be no neutral ground. You have to make a decision. Patriotism is now
              all or nothing: it is either total agreement or a slippery slope towards
              treason. In the Church you come to Jesus alone for salvation. In the
              state you obey the God-annointed leader and are thereby secured.
              Renana Brooks writes (The Nation June 24, 2003: Bush Dominates A Nation
              of Victims):

              "Bush is a master at inducing learned helplessness in the electorate. He
              uses pessimistic language that creates fear and disables people from
              feeling they can solve their problems. In his September 20, 2001 speech
              to Congress on the 9/11 attacks, he chose to increase people's sense of
              vulnerability: 'Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy
              campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. . I ask you to live your
              lives, and hug your children. I know many citizens have fears tonight .
              Be calm and resolute, even in the face of a continuing threat.'
              (Subsequent terror alerts .. have maintained and expanded this fear of
              unknown, sinister enemies.)"

              The terror threat itself can only be combated with increases in military
              force, domestic security and curtailment of civil rights through Patriot
              Acts. There are no other options nor any dialogue or debate that would
              create an alternative way to deal with terrorism.


              3.) Mr. Bush certainly sees himself as a Messiah figure. Listen to his
              language after 9-11: " I will not forget this wound to our country or
              those who inflicted it. I will not yield; I will not rest; I will not
              relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American
              people." Or, in his 2003 State of the Union speech: "I will defend the
              freedom and security of the American people". He has become the nation.
              He is its embodiment. According to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud
              Abbas, - Bush told him: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck
              them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and
              now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help
              me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to
              focus on them." This is Biblical language . it isn't political script.
              This is Bush's soul language. He understands himself as a man with a
              Divine mission. It also means that for him leadership is not
              "representing the people" rather leadership means transcending the will
              of the people. George Bush already knows the truth before the evidence
              is presented. He is guided by God and must blaze the trial even if the
              people are reluctant.

              Iraq, for example, was a necessary war whether or not Saddam had nukes.
              Saddam, for Bush, was a bad guy who tried to kill "my dad". The war, for
              Bush, was holy and justified and necessary. Purging evil is necessary in
              the Holiness/Holy War tradition of the Bible. The righteous will purge
              evil but the unrighteous will be consumed by it. Think of an alcoholic:
              it's all or nothing. The whole world is all or nothing.

              Like all religions the Bible has various narratives within its pages:
              Jesus drew on the prophetic traditions that called upon the people to
              change their way of life even as it critiqued and called upon the elites
              to decentralize their power. Jesus himself role modeled a lifestyle of
              service. Mr. Bush, on the other hand, draws on traditions that call for
              purity and cleansing. It is a language of hostility towards enemies and
              a strident call for obedience. It calls forth a lifestyle of the
              RIGHTEOUS ONE who will purge evil from the world through sacred violence.

              All of this is not to say that the political world is of less
              importance. We know that the planning for the Iraq war was at least a
              decade in preparation. We know that America has had imperial designs and
              has intervened militarily throughout the world. And we've known for 25
              years that Corporations have been savagely reducing labor rights while
              looting the treasury. We know that Mr. Bush is not the cause of our
              problems. Rather, the point I am making is that Mr. Bush is a sincere
              front man for an emerging fascism. His religious rhetoric is an
              authentic merging of Holiness Christianity with Imperial Americanism.
              The emphasis on security, law and order is necessary to maintain the
              "high calling" of the American people. The policies of fascism, in other
              words, are consistent with religious holiness and holy war narratives.
              And fascism, woven underneath Christian Holiness/Holy War traditions, is
              a powerful symbolic narrative that speaks to the American people as
              evidenced by Mr. Bush's 58% approval rating.

              The coming election will not be decided because of political policy. It
              will not be decided in a debate over free markets versus fair markets;
              tax cuts or no tax cuts, Patriot Act or no Patriot Act; war with Syria
              or no war. None of these issues will determine the election because the
              candidates are all for free markets, tax cuts, domestic security and a
              strong global military presence. The election will be determined by the
              candidate who can embody the deeply felt, often unarticulated religious
              yearnings of the populace. Yearnings such as "who will save us, secure
              us, lead us??? who will connect us with a power greater than the power
              of others?" Bush speaks this language. Democrats are stuck in political
              nuance. Or, in other words, Democrats cannot speak the language of
              Martin Luther King who understood that social transformation requires a
              transcendent authority.

              The problem comes down to this: Democrats, liberals, and social
              progressives have simply not grasped how afraid, insecure and how deeply
              in despair the populace is. They keep speaking as if objective analysis
              and idealistic vision can win the day. What Bush and Rove, Rumsfeld,
              Cheney, Wolfowitz and Pearls, Abrams and Bolton, DeLay and Rice etc,
              have clearly understood is that truth is subjectivity. Unfortunately,
              the inner person of America today is a hollowed out consumer who lacks
              the will power, stamina and imagination to do anything more than be
              overwhelmed. Therefore, a politics of crisis, a politics of fear will
              keep us locked into a state of conformity.

              On the "civic side" of things America is being inundated with a rhetoric
              of insecurity. Most of Bush's State of the Union was taken up with war
              themes reminding us all of the horrible new world we live in post 9/11.
              We know that further increases in the military and police budgets are on
              the way; we know that the Patriot Act is going to be extended and
              strengthened; we know that Homeland Security will continue to be a
              growth industry. We know that this administration wants to break down
              the wall between church and state with faith-based initiatives. The
              world is in chaos and the Bush-men will fix it bringing us peace,
              prosperity, purity and purpose.

              On the religion side of things apocalyptic theology is booming. This is
              also a worldview of crisis and insecurity. It is a theology rooted in
              the Holiness/Holy War traditions and it dominates the spirituality of
              this current administration. More to the point, this is the dominant
              theology of the mass media expression of Christian faith. It is a
              theology of despair that has given up on the possibilities of redemption.

              One of the most popular fiction series making the rounds these days is
              the LEFT BEHIND series written by Tim LaHaye & Jerry Jenkins. Multiple
              millions of people are reading these books which fictionalize the end of
              life as we know it. It used to be that the Church could control people
              through the fear of eternal ****ation. Today it is through fear of the
              future. The theology is basically this: The Bible is a code book that
              when rightly interpreted reveals that we are living at the end of
              history. History is scripted and is about to come to a catastrophic
              conclusion. The only hope is to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and
              Savior so that you can be "saved" from the future apocalypse. God will
              "snatch you up" (Rapture) right before a seven year series of horrible
              events that will see the rise of Antichrist and the rebuilding of the
              Jewish temple. There will be world war with most of humanity dying. At
              that point Jesus will return to restore law and order. This theology of
              despair "fits" our current culture of powerlessness and fear. From SARS
              to weapons of mass destruction to the ongoing Palestinian-Israeli
              conflict, to ecological collapse, the whole world seems to be on a "no
              exit" slide into an end times abyss. The theology of despair is very
              seductive. It is shaping the spirituality of Christians which provides a
              strong core from which Bush draws political strength.

              And it has, at least, five political implications that affect each one
              of us here today. FIRST: Israel is to be exalted and defended no matter
              what they do to the Palestinian people. They are God's chosen people and
              must reside in their Biblically anointed Land for the "end time clock"
              to tick to its final minute. Israel has a Biblical mandate to conquer
              and control all of the land from the Nile River to the Euphrates. Behind
              the politics of oil lie the religious passion to fulfill God's will:
              Syria must fall.

              Secondly: institutions like the United Nations are not to be trusted
              because they are tools of the Antichrist. The Antichrist is thought of
              (not as a spirituality or ideology) but as an personal embodiment of
              evil. The Antichrist will be a living person who will come to power at
              the end of history and proclaim himself to be god on earth. The theory
              has it that his power will be generated from within a coalition of
              nations. Thus . America, as God's chosen nation, will need to go it
              alone so as not to be duped by Antichrist. Our destiny is to take the
              gospel to all the nations: a benevolent gospel of therapeutic salvation
              for all.

              Thirdly: since the world is passing away the environment is not of great
              importance. There is no need to worry about issues of sustainability
              because the world is in its final countdown. Part of the unconcern
              towards global warming and other ecological crisis is the religious
              belief that we aren't going to be around in 100 years. We're in the end
              times now . every moment is merely preparation for eternity. Whether
              Bush himself believes this or not is irrelevant. This is the religious
              worldview of those who exalt him and the voter-bloc to which he plays.
              For Bush to act for sustainability would require a major shift in his
              religious narrative. . As an aside this past summer the National Park
              Service was instructed to approve the display of religious symbols and
              Bible verses, as well as the sale of creationist books at the Grand
              Canyon National Park. In December 2003 the Park Service was ordered to
              develop a "more balanced" version of an 8 minute video shown at the
              Lincoln Memorial Visitor Center. Conservative Christians wanted the
              removal of footage of gay rights, pro choice and anti-war demonstrations
              replacing it with footage of Christian rallies and pro-war demonstrations.

              Fourth: the trust that Jesus died for "my sins" is far more important
              than the teachings of Jesus. This fosters a domesticated therapeutic
              religious expression that insists that "jesus in my heart" is more
              important than my lifestyle. It's like the Mafia don who could order his
              enemies killed while he himself was celebrating the baptism of his
              nephew. There is a disconnect between one's inner experience of God's
              loving grace and embodying that experience outwardly through one's
              politics. This leads to a discounting of following Jesus in a lifestyle
              of nonviolence, economic justice and compassion. Again as an aside .
              while Governor of Texas Mr. Bush was interviewed by Talk Magazine
              concerning the impending execution of fellow Christian Karla Faye
              Tucker. Bush imitated Tucker's appeal for him to spare her life .
              pursing his lips, squinting his eyes, and in a squeaky voice saying,
              "please don't kill me".

              Fifth: a leader who loves Jesus is to be followed as God's man for the
              hour. The Christian leader is God's shepherd over the American flock. As
              stated before Bush sees himself as a Messiah figure (annointed by God
              for a special redemptive purpose). When he decided on running for the
              Presidency he called a group of evangelical Pastors together announcing
              to them "I have heard the call" and then receiving from them the "laying
              on of hands" which corresponds to divine ordination for the task ahead.
              On September 14, 2001 he stated: "our responsibility before history is
              already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil". He
              then launched the crusade Operation Infinite Freedom against
              Afghanistan. Yet other messainic statements from Bush:

              "History has called America to action. . The great hope of our time, and
              the great hope of every time, now depends on us." ..

              "We must also remember our calling as a blessed nation to make the world
              better . and confound the designs of evil men."

              "Our nation has been chosen by God and commissioned by history, to be a
              model of justice before the world."

              *** According to Vice-President Cheney: America "has the duty to act
              with force to construct a world in the image of the United States."

              In return for this messianic leadership evangelical Christians have
              returned an annointing of prayer. During the Afghanistan crusade
              thousands of "Presidential Circles of Prayer" and "Wheels of Prayer"
              were organized on the Internet, running 24 hours a day.

              WHEEL OF PRAYER FOR OUR SOLDIERS

              Lord hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us.

              Bless them and their families for the altruistic actions they are performing

              for us in our time of need. This I ask in the name of Jesus, our Lord
              and Savior. Amen

              This prayer was so popular and was hit so often that the website crashed
              within days.

              Pastor Charles Stanley distributed among Marines as they entered into
              combat thousands of pamphlets entitled "Duty of a Christian in Time of
              War". With the pamphlet went a card instructing them to sign and send
              directly to Mr. Bush. The card says: "I have committed to pray for you,
              your family and your Administration." Specific prayers for the President
              were included for each day.

              CONCLUSION:

              The point I'm trying to make is that we are not dealing simply with
              politics when it comes to the Bush administration. The progressive left,
              which often pays little attention to Christianity, will be making a huge
              mistake if they overlook the religious ideology at the core of Mr. Bush
              personally and the movement he represents. And we are talking about a
              "movement" (a movement of 'the people' not just the elites). We are
              seeing today the emergence of a "fascist movement". It is bankrolled and
              organized by Corporations, articulated through the ideology of
              neo-conservativism. but is fueled by the right-wing church drawing upon
              Holiness/Holy War Biblical narratives.

              When Dave Korten (author of When Corporations Rule the World) says that
              we need a "new story"; he is talking about needing a transcendent
              authority in which we root our political culture. Human beings cannot
              live in societal form without a sacred narrative. Neither anarchy nor
              atheism can construct a house that will hold our future. The Republicans
              know this well. But the Democrats seem clueless.

              In Biblical language the Republicans have become Pharaoh whose house is
              strong because of economic exploitation of the populace and military
              repression of the people. The populace is being asked to make bricks
              without straw. We are seeking a "savior" . a Moses who can rally us out
              of these mudpits towards the promise of a land flowing with milk and
              honey. Unfortunately most Democrats are simply offering Pharaoh-lite:
              they still will keep us in the mudpit making bricks.

              What we need is a movement of spiritual justice. We need the language of
              those who can wed America's civil religion with Biblical prophetic
              narrative. We need to expand that language so that it can include the
              language and stories that are emerging from the antiwar, fair trade and
              human rights movements. Together this language can form a unique new
              narrative that has the power to inspire imagination and courage. A
              language that call forth a new coalition powerful enough to leave behind
              the mudpit and to enter the promise of a new beginning. A coalition that
              understands that "we are the ones we are looking for". Indeed, the new
              narrative will proclaim "God with us" not "God above us".
              http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5648.htm

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              • #8
                OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                > Xenos the Elder wrote:
                The Dave© wrote:
                Xenos the Elder wrote: Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV The Catholic Church is... <snipped> Are we obsessed?
                I am not a catholic. So are you obsessed? With looking the other way while millions die because of the lies of an old ( now dead ) senile man? How you call this when somebody is killing people and you say " no no this is not true nobody got murdered ". The facts are there. Don't call a murderer a good man or even a very good man or even holy. What's holy about lying to people make them fear a nonexistent hell and let them die a death which could have been prevented? But who cares of those " niggers " we just don't use that word anymore but we are free to " think " it.
                Wow. Such a long winded non-answer.

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                • #9
                  OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                  > Xenos the Elder wrote:
                  Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV The Catholic Church is... <snipped> Are we obsessed? About The Westboro Baptist Church At the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard, they held up signs reading "No Fags in Heaven" and "God Hates Fags." According to their Web site, they have staged "20,000" protests across the nation and around the world in... <snipped>
                  Fred Whatshisname, and his group, is hardly a good example to hold up
                  for the "evils" of religion. They're beyond extreme.

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                  • #10
                    OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                    'The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not
                    to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the
                    HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.'

                    TRUE ! The holes in a latex condom measure 5 microns in diameter. HIV
                    is .1 microns . Guess who wins ? If youre putting your faith in a
                    condom to avoid AIDS and other STD's...then you have misplaced trust ;
                    over 40,000,000 americans are walking around with at least one STD---do
                    you feel lucky ? Theres no better time to readjust your sexual mores,
                    than now.

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                    • #11
                      OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                      The Dave© wrote:
                      Xenos the Elder wrote:
                      >Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV>>The Catholic Church is...>><snipped>Are we obsessed?
                      About The Westboro Baptist ChurchAt the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard, they held upsigns reading "No Fags in Heaven" and "God Hates Fags." According totheir Web site, they have staged "20,000" protests across the nationand around the world in...<snipped> Fred Whatshisname, and his group, is hardly a good example to hold up for the "evils" of religion. They're beyond extreme.
                      Whereby the pope is mainstream telling people not use condoms otherwise
                      they go to hell?
                      You have convinced me now.
                      Hating the jews for almost 2000 years was mainstream too.
                      Coming from a religion " preaching love ".
                      The killing of 900.000 orthodox in croatia during ww2 and the vatican
                      was a part of it was moral to.
                      Not to mention the collaboration with the nazi.
                      And helping 1000a of them to escape to South America.
                      I can clearly see that this is a good church for fascist and people who
                      like to discriminate.
                      How was it done with the Red Indians?
                      First you baptize them ......
                      and then you kill them.
                      They died at least as christians and didn't had to go to hell.
                      Yes this was really a good deed.

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                      • #12
                        OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                        Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
                        'The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.' TRUE ! The holes in a latex condom measure 5 microns in diameter. HIV is .1 microns . Guess who wins ? If youre putting your faith in a condom to avoid AIDS and other STD's...then you have misplaced trust ; over 40,000,000 americans are walking around with at least one STD---do you feel lucky ? Theres no better time to readjust your sexual mores, than now.
                        Condom spore sizes and HIV virus protection
                        Question from IAEN member on 6/25/2003:

                        I want to pin down the researcher (person and organisation and contact
                        details) that first discovered: the comparative sizes of: HIV/AIDS virus
                        - 4 microns; single sperm - 400 microns; Spores in latex condoms - 50
                        microns. The research resulted in the conclusion that up to 12 HIV/AIDS
                        virus can exit through the microscopic condom pores while sperms cannot.
                        The result is that pregnancies were more likely to be prevented while
                        AIDS is spread. Any help pointing in the right direction would be highly
                        appreciated.
                        Answers

                        Answer from IAEN, Researcher on 6/25/2003

                        We did a little research to find the person that discovered those sizes.
                        We found a C.M. Roland, who mentioned similar figures in a letter to the
                        editor of the Washington Times entitled "Do you want to stake your life
                        on a condom?" dated April 22, 1992 (full text available online for a
                        nominal charge at www.washtimes.com). Dr. Roland, then the editor of
                        "Rubber Chemistry and Technology", a journal published by the Rubber
                        Division of the American Chemical Society, stated that the rubber in
                        latex condoms has voids about 5 microns in size, while the AIDS virus is
                        only 0.1 micron. So it is essentially the same premise, he just had
                        slightly different figures. If you would like to contact Dr. Roland, it
                        appears that he is currently the Section Head of the Chemistry Division
                        at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. His contact
                        information is available to the public at the following URL:
                        http://chemdiv-www.nrl.navy.mil/6120/6126.html.

                        Answer from Dr.B.Z.Avah, AIDS Program/Project Manager on 7/12/2003

                        is it truew that the size of the pores in the latex condom is large
                        enough to allow the thorough passage of the HIV virus?

                        Answer from Michael Fox, France, Researcher on 3/30/2004

                        Useful to learn of a seemingly plausible source of the “condoms have
                        pores or holes and can let the tiny HIV virus though” allegation – but I
                        think the answer (3/30/2004) to the original question (posted 6/25/2003)
                        could have included a summary note on why the CM Rowland study is not
                        accepted as valid for quality assured latex condoms – in short (and I
                        admit in my possibly faulty memory and understanding), the latex
                        referred to in this study was that used for rubber gloves and not
                        condoms, which are made to much more exacting standards.

                        In addition, electron microscopy of condom latex has shown that there
                        are NO pores (sources include The Latex Condom: Recent Advances, Future
                        Directions. Family Health International, 1998, pg 9, book distributed by
                        WHO as part of the Male Latex Condom Manual) – this in effect also
                        answers Dr B Z Avah’s question (3/30/2004) in that (a) there are no
                        pores, their supposed existence is a dangerous myth or, worse,
                        deliberate misinformation and (b) male latex condoms are extremely
                        efficient barriers to HIV infection – on this last point, pls see also
                        WHO/UNAIDS Information Note, Geneva, 16 August 2001- Effectiveness of
                        Latex Condoms,
                        http://www.who.int/reproductive-heal...le_condom.html

                        Answer from Crystal Ericson, United States, Researcher on 8/27/2004

                        i have a comment about your french researcher. First off, anyone can use
                        the title researcher, there is nothing special about that but to the
                        untrained eye it can seem important enough to take their advice or
                        therory. second of all, here he is saying this beginning paper on
                        condoms was really about gloves but never gives you one drop of proof to
                        support his idea, infact he says and i quote
                        "(and I admit in my possibly faulty memory and understanding), the latex
                        referred to in this study was that used for rubber gloves and not condoms"

                        the origional paper had the word Condom IN THE TITLE, it mentioned
                        CONDOMS often in the paper and never mentioned the word GLOVE!

                        my sister saw this and instantly believed that the professional in the
                        origional paper was not talking about what he claimed to be talking
                        about because some mystery "researcher" said it was about something
                        else, even though he admits his memory is faulty and he isnt sure about
                        what the first artical was about, now shouldnt someone be putting the
                        french researcher in check!?
                        http://www.iaen.org/qa/answer/10756/

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                        • #13
                          OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                          Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
                          'The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.' TRUE ! The holes in a latex condom measure 5 microns in diameter. HIV is .1 microns . Guess who wins ? If youre putting your faith in a condom to avoid AIDS and other STD's...then you have misplaced trust ; over 40,000,000 americans are walking around with at least one STD---do you feel lucky ? Theres no better time to readjust your sexual mores, than now.
                          For the Health of It
                          by Robert Benon
                          Question: An expert came to our class and said there are holes in
                          condoms that the AIDS virus can get through. Is this true? — Uh-oh, A
                          High School Student

                          Answer: That’s a scary notion, but no, it’s basically not true. Another
                          scary notion is that sometimes “experts” come into our schools with
                          false or misleading information that gets teens to not bother with
                          condoms, while also not getting them to abstain.
                          Condoms don’t typically have holes in them, any more than CDs usually
                          have skips in them. You might buy one once in a while that’s defective,
                          but usually they’re OK. Since condoms are not perfect, though, you might
                          wisely choose to abstain from sex rather than take the chance.
                          But puh-leez, if you do have sex, use a condom. Cars are not perfectly
                          safe, either, so use a seatbelt when you’re on the road.
                          I’ve had teenagers ask for STD tests who’ve said they weren’t bothering
                          with condoms because some guest speaker had told them in class that the
                          “AIDS virus can go through them as easily as students walk through the
                          hallways.” It makes me want to holler. I mean, if such horror stories
                          make teens abstain, then let’s just tell them that condoms release acid
                          if unrolled the wrong way.
                          But these kinds of scare tactics do not make teens put sex off till
                          later. The values and morals that seep into their souls from years of
                          living with Mom and Dad are what do that. Falsehoods or half-truths
                          about condoms (or pills) only increase kids’ risk of disease or
                          pregnancy when they do have sex. How awful for teens to get sexually
                          transmitted diseases or become pregnant because they paid attention to
                          someone’s message to mistrust condoms but not to the message to abstain.
                          Spreading false condom ‘facts’
                          So who told you about these supposed holes? I looked into this about 10
                          years ago and again just recently and found that some religion-based
                          organizations have been offering to talk in classrooms about the dangers
                          of sex. You can get details about this from Barbara Ferry’s article in
                          The New Mexican on March 5, 1999. While well-intentioned, some of what
                          is said in their “abstinence only” programs is quite wrong.
                          For instance, there is an information sheet called “Quick Facts About
                          Condoms,” which guest speakers gave out not long ago at a local high
                          school (and possibly at other schools). It’s labeled as being “compiled
                          by the Albuquerque Pregnancy Center, distributed by Hope Pregnancy
                          Center (of Los Alamos)…Funded in part by the Abstinence Only Grant from
                          the N.M. Department of Health.”
                          It has several references to medical studies that support condom
                          effectiveness a lot more than the biased excerpts on the sheet make you
                          think they do. Moreover, the handout ignores the long-awaited 2001
                          report by the National Institutes of Health, which reviewed all the
                          best-done research and called condoms a “highly effective barrier” to
                          even the smallest STD germs.
                          Item 2 on the information sheet is what your question pertains to. It
                          claims that condoms have super-tiny holes (5 microns wide, way too small
                          to see) that are big enough for HIV to get through, and it gives as a
                          basis for this “fact” a June 1993 article by C. M. Roland in an obscure
                          journal called Rubber World. Yes, Virginia, there really is a Rubber World.
                          This is not a medical journal but an organ, so to speak, of the rubber
                          industry. By the way, this industry includes tires and such, not just
                          condoms. It was not easy to find this article, especially since the Hope
                          Pregnancy Center, an anti-abortion group, did not return my call asking
                          for specifics about the references cited on its flier.
                          Now get this: It turns out that Roland said in the article that the
                          5-micron holes were found only in latex gloves, not latex condoms! He
                          specifically points out that, unlike gloves, condoms are made by
                          DOUBLE-dipping with latex, “which minimizes the probability of
                          through-going defects” (holes, that is).
                          What do you think of that?
                          Item 2 of the “fact” sheet also cites a study in the journal Sexually
                          Transmitted Diseases, published in July 1992. The sheet claims that the
                          article says HIV-sized particles can leak through holes in condoms.
                          Again, it pays to look at the actual article. In it the researchers used
                          machines that reproduced the motions of sex, with fluid that contained
                          particles the size of the virus that causes AIDS. Here’s what the
                          researchers actually wrote: A third of the condoms tested did finally
                          leak a tiny amount; however, the amount of particles that leaked would
                          be equal, at most, to just .01 percent of the amount of semen released
                          during sex with an infected man. And the researchers said that leakage
                          occurred only with 10 minutes of sex-like thrusting after the simulated
                          ejaculation by their doohickey machines. That is, the experiment
                          mimicked what might happen if a guy kept going with intercourse at full
                          throttle for 10 minutes after he came to orgasm. This is about as likely
                          as a guy deciding to use a rubber glove instead of a condom on his penis.
                          The researchers go on to say in this article that this amount of leakage
                          is so tiny that even the worst condoms would still result in 10,000
                          times less chance of passing the AIDS virus than with no condom at all!
                          (I also have a letter from the lead author of this article saying that
                          their test used fluids in their condoms with 100 million times more
                          HIV-sized particles than would be found in the semen of an infected man.
                          He said that by using condoms “the expected exposure to HIV due to
                          leakage would be not more than a single HIV virus for every 90 condoms
                          used,” and that wouldn’t be enough to catch HIV.) The article concludes
                          that “latex condoms can substantially reduce, but not eliminate, the
                          risk of HIV transmission.” Not exactly what you’d think from just
                          reading the “fact sheet” you got in class from the visitng “experts.”
                          One guest speaker told me that the article discussed above found bigger
                          holes in condoms. She quoted to me this sentence: “The minimum pore
                          diameters detectable by this test range from 6 microns to 140 microns.”
                          She was too unskilled at reading these scientific studies to realize
                          that this was describing the size of holes that a test (one not even
                          used in this experiment) was good enough to detect, NOT the size of
                          holes actually detected by the test.
                          Lies about the pill
                          I also found a video being used in abstinence-only classes called Time
                          to Wait for Sex by Pam Stenzel. She doesn’t have a medical background
                          and, while her inspirations for abstinence are great, she says several
                          untrue things about birth control and STDs.
                          She says once you get a virus, you have it for life. This is true for
                          HIV and herpes but not for plenty of viruses such as colds and the STD
                          called human papilloma virus, or HPV. (For details of how HPV usually
                          goes away, check out this column in The New Mexican of Jan. 3.)
                          Stenzel implies that birth control pills cause an increase in STDs by 10
                          times. To a mom who would arrange for her daughter to get on the pill,
                          she says “Thanks, mom. Now she’s going to end up sterile or dead.” In
                          fact, the pill dramatically reduces the chance of a girl becoming
                          sterile (unable to have kids). It does this by keeping chlamydia and
                          gonorrhea STD germs (if she catches them from a sexual partner) from
                          spreading up inside her reproductive tract, where they can cause pelvic
                          inflammatory disease and scarring of the fallopian tubes. Girls on the
                          pill are most certainly not more likely to die, and the pill gives them
                          lower rates of cancer of the uterus and ovaries and of deaths by future
                          tubal pregnancies. The pill also lowers the rates of a few other less
                          fatal illnesses.
                          Use protection;
                          listen to your parents
                          The biggest problem with condoms is that people having sex don’t use
                          them. The study by the National Institutes of Health concluded that
                          condoms break or slip between 1.6 and 3.6 percent of the time. Another
                          problem is that some STDs (such as herpes and HPV) can spread by contact
                          with skin not covered by the condom.
                          The biggest problem with religion-based guest speakers is that, while
                          they know what’s best morally, they don’t always know the medical facts
                          about condoms and sexually transmitted diseases. Or maybe they ignore
                          all the evidence except that which fits the point of view they want you
                          to see.
                          And why on earth are “abstinence only” programs, which are funded by the
                          government specifically to avoid giving any information on condoms and
                          other birth control, allowed to give “fact sheets” that do talk about
                          birth control, but in negative and untrue ways?
                          You’ll probably do just fine to follow the morals you’ve been taught by
                          your parents. Whenever the time does come that you decide to have sex,
                          please don’t abandon the protection condoms and pills can offer you.


                          Questions can be mailed to The New Mexican, For The Health of It, 202 E.
                          Marcy St., Santa Fe, NM 87501; e-mailed to [email protected]; or
                          phoned in to 986-3050.
                          http://www.sfgenerationnext.com/health/apr_11_03.htm

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                          • #14
                            OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                            Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
                            'The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.' TRUE ! The holes in a latex condom measure 5 microns in diameter. HIV is .1 microns . Guess who wins ? If youre putting your faith in a condom to avoid AIDS and other STD's...then you have misplaced trust ; over 40,000,000 americans are walking around with at least one STD---do you feel lucky ? Theres no better time to readjust your sexual mores, than now.
                            And comes the truth you and all religious whackos like:
                            From Xt3 Christian Magazine ( from the flat earth people hearing voices
                            and so on )
                            -------------------------------------------------

                            Did you know….?

                            In 2002, over 40,000 British teenagers asked for treatment for a
                            sexually transmitted disease (“STD” for those in the know and you should
                            be). That’s over 750 per week and 160 every working day. These are the
                            most up to date figures the government have made available. Do you think
                            the figures have gone down since then? Somehow I don't think so.....

                            What’s really frightening is that most teenagers are completely ignorant
                            of the symptoms of STD’s.

                            That means that for every person who is seeking treatment, there are
                            likely to be many more that should. Watch this space NHS and start
                            panicking now!

                            What is the government doing about this? Well, that depends where you
                            stand. If you think that young people are incapable of striving for
                            personal self control and dignity in the interest of a life-long
                            marriage, then quite a lot actually.

                            Condoms are freely available in schools

                            They’re actively handing them out to 14-year-olds and teaching them how
                            to use them and hey, if that goes wrong, there’s always the
                            morning-after pill or a visit down to the clinic for a “termination”.
                            All this advice and more freely available without parental consent.
                            There really isn’t any reason to worry. Just go out there and enjoy
                            yourself! It’s safe ….. or is that “safer”?

                            What is the result? Well, since 1997, those under 20 seeking STD
                            treatment (not infection rate) has risen by over 60 per cent, from
                            25,143 to 40,821. As more people have sex, the infection rate is set to
                            spiral. I am afraid that if you’re in London or the North west your
                            chances of infection (if you have serial sexual relations) are much
                            higher. No doubt “best practice” advice will be to relocate. Think
                            laterally!

                            One area where Britain really does lead in Europe is teenage pregnancy.
                            There is simply no other country that even comes close. Strangely
                            enough, the USA has put over Ł100m into teaching chastity in schools and
                            the teenage pregnancy rate has plummeted. However, I am sure there’s no
                            connection.

                            But not many people know that condoms offer no protection against most
                            STD’s?

                            Or, that the morning-after pill, handed out by some schools to girls as
                            young as 11, and contains six times more hormones than a normal
                            contraceptive pill? This is just one of many statistics about STD’s you
                            need to know for your own safety. Below we’ve compiled a list of stats
                            from some research about sex and STD’s you’ll rarely hear anywhere else.
                            We’d like to know what you think, so join our forum discussion:

                            DID YOU KNOW THAT…. ?

                            • Condoms are 85 per cent effective against AIDS but…
                            • They aren’t 100 per cent effective at preventing pregnancy. For every
                            100 couples who use a condom for one year, 14 will still get pregnant.
                            Bearing in mind that a woman is fertile for only 36 days a year, this is
                            pretty unimpressive
                            • Condoms don’t protect you from STD’s including genital warts,
                            chlamydia, syphillis and genital herpes
                            • Genital herpes can lead to cervical cancer
                            • Chlamydia can make women infertile
                            • Some American studies suggest that condoms protect men from infection
                            with gonorrhoea but not women
                            • The width of the head of a normal human sperm is 2.5 to 3.5 microns, A
                            micron is one millionth of a metre
                            • Most sexual viruses are much smaller than sperm
                            • The AIDS virus is only 0.15 microns, and the hepatitis B virus is even
                            smaller
                            • Some STDS can cause pelvic inflammatory disease
                            • The viruses causing genital warts can also trigger changes in a
                            woman’s cervical cells, leading to cancer…
                            • The morning-after pill poses an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy..
                            (a pregnancy in the tubes which connect the womb to the ovaries
                            resulting in a serious medical condition)

                            If you're a student, next time condoms are being promoted in your
                            school, why don't you ask the nurse of doctor about some of these stats,
                            then tell us what they say!

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                              OT:Vatican - condoms don't stop HIV

                              Xenos the Elder wrote:
                              Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
                              ..
                              And why on earth are “abstinence only” programs, which are funded by the government specifically
                              The theocracy at work.
                              USA government financing religious whackos.
                              to avoid giving any information on condoms and other birth control, allowed to give “fact sheets” that do talk about birth control, but in negative and untrue ways?
                              Wonder oh wonder.
                              You’ll probably do just fine to follow the morals you’ve been taught by your parents. Whenever the time does come that you decide to have sex, please don’t abandon the protection condoms and pills can offer you. Questions can be mailed to The New Mexican, For The Health of It, 202 E. Marcy St., Santa Fe, NM 87501; e-mailed to [email protected]; or phoned in to 986-3050. http://www.sfgenerationnext.com/health/apr_11_03.htm

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