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    I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he
    pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my
    trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made
    hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million
    other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper
    hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other
    million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle
    of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license
    plate.

    Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out.
    He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a
    warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he
    will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him, since
    he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and will
    probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this is
    bull****. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not
    speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones
    plates and radio in for records on every car he sees?

    I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my
    tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even
    drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.

    Citizen


  • #2
    Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

    [email protected]_______.com spoke thus:
    I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
    I've been pulled over before in similar fashion - cop follows you for
    awhile, you drive slowly, get pulled over, go through the whole "Got any
    drugs?" routine, submit to a search just to get out of there, etc.
    People who wonder why other people hate law enforcement are morons.

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    • #3
      Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car


      <[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message
      news:[email protected]
      I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said
      he
      pulled me over because he could not read my license plate
      because my
      trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory
      made
      hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a
      million
      other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a
      bumper
      hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the
      other
      million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the
      middle
      of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the
      license
      plate. Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check
      me out.
      He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it
      again, he
      will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him,
      since
      he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and
      will
      probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this
      is
      bull****. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was
      not
      speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read
      everyones
      plates and radio in for records on every car he sees? I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on
      my
      tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong,
      and even
      drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
      The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate
      be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version:

      5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to
      the
      vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from
      swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly
      visible,
      and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly
      legible.

      All you have to do is comply with a very simple law. If you don't
      comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference
      whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes
      not difference whether the trailer hitch was a standard factory
      made hitch. It makes not difference whether you were doing
      anything else wrong when your violation was noticed. There is
      nothing wrong with cops reading license plates regardless of
      whether the vehicle is being used in any illegal way. Woudn't it
      be silly to have a law that tells cops they can look at license
      plate of cars that are stolen, but don't look at the license
      plates of cars that are not stolen?

      I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ball
      mounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making the
      license easilly legible. Seems easy enough.

      McGyver


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      • #4
        Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

        McGyver wrote:
        <[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]
        I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license plate. Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me. I was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he was not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles, because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio in for records on every car he sees? I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
        The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version: 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be
        clearly
        legible.
        It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision
        the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in
        it's entirety, from all angles/views.



        All you have to do is comply with a very simple law.
        See above. It ain't so simple.
        If you don't comply with the law, you may be cited, and it makes no difference whether millions of other people violate the same law. It makes not difference whether the trailer hitch was a standard factory made hitch. It makes not difference whether you were doing anything else wrong when your violation was noticed. There is nothing wrong with cops reading license plates regardless of whether the vehicle is being used in any illegal way. Woudn't it be silly to have a law that tells cops they can look at license plate of cars that are stolen, but don't look at the license plates of cars that are not stolen? I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ball mounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making the license easilly legible.
        From all/every angle ?

        Not.


        Seems easy enough. McGyver

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        • #5
          Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

          EnjoyDialup wrote:
          "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:8bi5d.747$q%[email protected]
          McGyver wrote:
          <[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.> He said he pulled me over because he could not read my> license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.> Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of> the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars.> I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper> hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do> the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS> mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where> the> car manufacturers put the license plate.>> Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to> check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was> only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove> the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me. I> was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he was> not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here, and> will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles,> because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my> license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything> against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio> in for records on every car he sees?>> I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and> was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely> nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed> limits> knowing he was back there. The vehicle code in your state will require that the license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is California's version: 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible.
          It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in it's entirety, from all angles/views.
          same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.
          But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached
          to the ball, eh?

          think of it from a speed cameras point of view.
          Why?
          it cant tilt it's head to get a better angle.
          Don't matter, the law was written long before "speed cameras"
          came into play.
          just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on when you need to tow something.
          Naw.
          the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the road laws
          Cops are never right, moron.


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          • #6
            Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

            On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]>
            wrote:

            same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
            But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?


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            • #7
              Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

              On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:00:37 GMT, [email protected] (Peter)
              On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]>wrote:
              same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
              But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
              Of course it does, if it's legal anyway. SOD is just an idiot troll.
              --
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              • #8
                Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700, "McGyver" <[email protected]>
                wrote:
                I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ballmounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making thelicense easilly legible. Seems easy enough.McGyver
                Easy enough if no trailer is hooked up, but try hooking a trailer to a
                hitch when the ball is up side down. The only way is to flip the
                trailer on its roof. Pulling it that way would damage the trailer, and
                all the contents would spill out.

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                • #9
                  Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                  Peter wrote:
                  On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote:
                  same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate. But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached to the ball, eh?
                  But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
                  Irrelevant. The "law" you assclowns keep citing states that
                  the car license plate must be visible.

                  Well, is it visible when there is a trailer in place behind the car or not?



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                  President Woodrow Wilson,
                  expressed the contempt in which
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                  • #10
                    Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                    [email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]
                    4ax.com:
                    On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:36:28 -0700, "McGyver" <[email protected]> wrote:
                    I have seen lots of cars and trucks with the trailer hitch ballmounted upside down, so that the ball extends downward, making thelicense easilly legible. Seems easy enough.McGyver
                    Easy enough if no trailer is hooked up, but try hooking a trailer to a hitch when the ball is up side down. The only way is to flip the trailer on its roof. Pulling it that way would damage the trailer, and all the contents would spill out.
                    Not if you flipped the car over first. So few people actually think a
                    problem all the way through before posting!

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                    • #11
                      Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                      On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:47:45 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]>
                      wrote:
                      McGyver wrote:
                      <[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]
                      I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing. He said he pulled me over because he could not read my license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it. Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars. I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where the car manufacturers put the license plate.
                      I heard the same argument for all around tinted windows, large items
                      hanging from windshields and blocked rear windows when right and left
                      side view mirrors weren't mandatory, not to mention, "Everyone else is
                      speeding so why aren't you stopping them too?". Other people doing
                      the same as you doesn't give you a free pass.
                      Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.
                      It takes less than 2 minutes, if you take your time, to remove the
                      ball and the same amount of time to remount it. This is much better
                      than your blood pressure going up worrying about it, better than
                      getting cited and better than wasting your time fighting the ticket
                      and end up paying anyway.
                      Why was he trying to read my license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio in for records on every car he sees?
                      He can run any license plate he wants without any reason to do so.
                      Various court cases have affirmed the officer's right to run plates at
                      random due to the large amount of stolen cars, cars used in crimes and
                      warrants attached to license numbers, etc.
                      I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed limits knowing he was back there.
                      Absolutely nothing wrong? Your trailer hitch ball was blocking the
                      license plate. Obstructing the view of your license plate is illegal.
                      It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of visionthe reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" init's entirety, from all angles/views.
                      It has to be clearly visible to vehicles behind yours.

                      Skip

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                      • #12
                        Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                        Peter wrote:
                        On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 18:07:51 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote:
                        same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate. But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached to the ball, eh?
                        But the trailer has a number plate, has not it?
                        Is the car's license plate visible or not when there is a
                        trailer attached to it?

                        Yes or No?


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                        • #13
                          Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                          Skip wrote:
                          On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:47:45 -0600, "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote:
                          McGyver wrote:
                          <[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.> He said he pulled me over because he could not read my> license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.> Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out of> the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other cars.> I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper> hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so do> the other million hitches on other cars. They are ALWAYS> mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where> the> car manufacturers put the license plate.
                          I heard the same argument for all around tinted windows, large items hanging from windshields and blocked rear windows when right and left side view mirrors weren't mandatory, not to mention, "Everyone else is speeding so why aren't you stopping them too?". Other people doing the same as you doesn't give you a free pass.
                          > Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio to> check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was> only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove> the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.
                          It takes less than 2 minutes, if you take your time, to remove the ball and the same amount of time to remount it. This is much better than your blood pressure going up worrying about it, better than getting cited and better than wasting your time fighting the ticket and end up paying anyway.
                          > Why was he trying to read my> license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything> against the law. Does he read everyones plates and radio> in for records on every car he sees?
                          He can run any license plate he wants without any reason to do so. Various court cases have affirmed the officer's right to run plates at random due to the large amount of stolen cars, cars used in crimes and warrants attached to license numbers, etc.
                          > I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over, and> was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing absolutely> nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed> limits knowing he was back there.
                          Absolutely nothing wrong? Your trailer hitch ball was blocking the license plate. Obstructing the view of your license plate is illegal.
                          It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of vision the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly visible" in it's entirety, from all angles/views.
                          It has to be clearly visible to vehicles behind yours.
                          From what angles?
                          From what distance?

                          Is it clearly visible when there is a trailer attached to the
                          car?

                          Skip

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                          • #14
                            Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car

                            EnjoyDialup wrote:
                            "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:vLn5d.771$q%[email protected]
                            EnjoyDialup wrote:
                            "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:8bi5d.747$q%[email protected]> McGyver wrote:>> <[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message>> news:[email protected] >>> I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.>>> He said he pulled me over because he could not read my>>> license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.>>> Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out>>> of>>> the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other>>> cars.>>> I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper>>> hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so>>> do>>> the other million hitches on other cars. They are>>> ALWAYS>>> mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where>>> the>>> car manufacturers put the license plate.>>>>>> Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio>>> to>>> check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was>>> only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove>>> the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.>>> I>>> was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he>>> was>>> not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here,>>> and>>> will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles,>>> because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my>>> license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything>>> against the law. Does he read everyones plates and>>> radio>>> in for records on every car he sees?>>>>>> I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over,>>> and>>> was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing>>> absolutely>>> nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed>>> limits>>> knowing he was back there.>>>> The vehicle code in your state will require that the>> license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is>> California's version:>>>> 5201. License plates shall at all times be securely>> fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as>> to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in>> a position so as>> to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a>> condition so as to be clearly legible.>> It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of> vision> the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly> visible" in> it's entirety, from all angles/views. same law exists here in australia. you cant have a towball blocking your number plate.
                            But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attached to the ball, eh?
                            When you have a traler attached you are required to have a number plate on the back of the trailer.
                            Yet the car's license plate isn't visible, is it?

                            no loop hole there
                            Care to cite the law that states the *car's* license plate does
                            NOT have to be visible "at all times".

                            think of it from a speed cameras point of view.
                            Why?
                            because that is the reason for the law:- to prevent people from getting away with trafic offences due to an obscured number plate.
                            Hardly. The license plate law was in place long before
                            speed cameras, numbnuts.
                            under the same set of laws your not allowd to have mud plashed up on the plate or those glass covers on them that reflect the light back at the cameras.
                            Yet they can be mounted into a indentation of the factory bumber that
                            does obscure views from certain angles, eh?
                            it cant tilt it's head to get a better angle. Don't matter, the law was written long before "speed cameras" came into play.
                            See above statment.
                            Which proves your claim to be false.
                            just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on when you need to tow something. Naw.
                            Then put up with the fines. that is the choice we all have. comply with the law, or be punished.
                            You really are a cowardly sycophant, aren' you?
                            Hey moron, they need fools like you to fight and die
                            in Iraq for the Bu$h Mob's lies. Get packing.

                            I guess there is a third option, change the law. but it's not likly.
                            Or how about apply the law properly and equally?
                            the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the road laws Cops are never right, moron.
                            try telling one that and see how many extra tickets you get!
                            What a right panty wearing wanker you are. Are all Aussies
                            as spineless as you?


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                            • #15
                              Cop said I must remove trailer hitch from my car



                              S. O. Damocles wrote:
                              EnjoyDialup wrote:
                              "S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:vLn5d.771$q%[email protected]
                              EnjoyDialup wrote:>"S. O. Damocles" <[email protected]> wrote in message>news:8bi5d.747$q%[email protected] .>>>McGyver wrote:>>>>><[email protected]_______.com> wrote in message>>>news:[email protected] 4ax.com...>>>>>>>I just got pulled over by a cop for absolutely nothing.>>>>He said he pulled me over because he could not read my>>>>license plate because my trailer hitch is blocking it.>>>>Well, it is a standard factory made hitch, nothing out>>>>of>>>>the ordinary. Same as the hitch on a million other>>>>cars.>>>>I have an older full size station wagon, with a bumper>>>>hitch. Yes, the ball covers part of the plate, but so>>>>do>>>>the other million hitches on other cars. They are>>>>ALWAYS>>>>mounted in the middle of the bumper, and that is where>>>>the>>>>car manufacturers put the license plate.>>>>>>>>Anyhow, the cop looked at my DL, and got on his radio>>>>to>>>>check me out. He returned to my car and told me he was>>>>only going to give me a warning, but said I must remove>>>>the hitch, and if he sees it again, he will ticket me.>>>>I>>>>was not going to get into a hassle with him, since he>>>>was>>>>not ticketing me, but I am questioning this on here,>>>>and>>>>will probably talk to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles,>>>>because this is bull****. Why was he trying to read my>>>>license anyhow. I was not speeding or doing anything>>>>against the law. Does he read everyones plates and>>>>radio>>>>in for records on every car he sees?>>>>>>>>I know the cop just wanted an excuse to pull me over,>>>>and>>>>was on my tail for quite awhile. I was doing>>>>absolutely>>>>nothing wrong, and even drove slower than the speed>>>>limits>>>>knowing he was back there.>>>>>>The vehicle code in your state will require that the>>>license plate be clearly visible and legible. Here is>>>California's version:>>>>>>5201. License plates shall at all times be securely>>>fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as>>>to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in>>>a position so as>>>to be clearly visible, and shall be maintained in a>>>condition so as to be clearly legible.>>>>It was "clearly visible", depending on what angle of>>vision>>the reader is in. It can't possibly be kept "clearly>>visible" in>>it's entirety, from all angles/views.>>>>same law exists here in australia. you cant have a>towball>blocking your number plate.But you can block the entire plate with a TRAILER attachedto the ball, eh?
                              When you have a traler attached you are required to have anumber plate on the back of the trailer.
                              Yet the car's license plate isn't visible, is it?
                              no loop holethere
                              Care to cite the law that states the *car's* license plate does NOT have to be visible "at all times".
                              > think of it from a speed>cameras point of view.Why?
                              because that is the reason for the law:- to prevent peoplefrom getting away with trafic offences due to an obscurednumber plate.
                              Hardly. The license plate law was in place long before speed cameras, numbnuts.
                              under the same set of laws your not allowd to have mudplashed up on the plate or those glass covers on them thatreflect the light back at the cameras.
                              Yet they can be mounted into a indentation of the factory bumber that does obscure views from certain angles, eh?
                              >it cant tilt it's head to get a>better angle.Don't matter, the law was written long before "speedcameras"came into play.
                              See above statment.
                              Which proves your claim to be false.
                              >just take the ball of the back of your car and put it on>when you need to tow something.Naw.
                              Then put up with the fines. that is the choice we allhave. comply with the law, or be punished.
                              You really are a cowardly sycophant, aren' you? Hey moron, they need fools like you to fight and die in Iraq for the Bu$h Mob's lies. Get packing.
                              I guess thereis a third option, change the law. but it's not likly.
                              Or how about apply the law properly and equally?
                              >the cop was right, so stop your complaining and learn the>road laws Cops are never right, moron.
                              try telling one that and see how many extra tickets you get!
                              What a right panty wearing wanker you are. Are all Aussies as spineless as you?
                              The law here in NSW is very clear, and leaves little scope for debate.

                              http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...98478/s24.html

                              Interestingly, the legistlators have moved away from the traddition of
                              trying to express complex geometrical ideas in words, and have simply
                              provided diagrams.

                              Is the law in the particular US state in question really so vague? Or is
                              this thread just a convenient excuse for a slanging match where facts
                              are largely irrelevant?

                              Sylvia.

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