Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some
jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.
BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some
drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that
would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You
know, law of the jungle.-Jitney

"jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney


Sounds like grand larceny to me.

tinydancer wrote: "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me.

Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a
prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug
dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with
fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged
in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are
weird.

--
nimue

"There was a time when I was young and gay -- but straight."
Max Bialystock

"tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:pGiVb.24459$qK3.18839@bignews3.bellsouth.net. .. "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me.

You can't use the legal courts to settle up on an illegal crime. She's a ho,
and got ripped off. Those are the breaks. She lied to police and said she
was raped. That's a crime. I hope she does time.

jitney wrote: Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney


It would be a large commercial crime, failure to pay for services
rendered, except the law won't enforce an illegal contract.

Bob

--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/

tinydancer wrote: "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in somejurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to somedrunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp thatwould take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. Youknow, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me.

It would be except the service is illegal and therefore the contract is
unenforceable.

Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, leading Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/

"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc.rr.com. .. tinydancer wrote: "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me. Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are weird.

First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.
They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.

"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services
rendered. They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.

If she was robbed by threat, it doesn't matter the amount- college athletes
bullying a woman around over a thousand dollars is not just 'defrauding an
innkeeper'.

Chas

"Chas" <chasclementsFLAME@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:DtKdnaENi9yRv7rdRVn-jQ@comcast.com... "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered. They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are. If she was robbed by threat, it doesn't matter the amount- college
athletes bullying a woman around over a thousand dollars is not just 'defrauding an innkeeper'.

Dude, who said anything about her being robbed by threat?

In article <kJEVb.51$_3.5219@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc. rr.com... tinydancer wrote: "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...> Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some> jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some> drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp> that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up.> You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me. Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are weird.First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.

Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kinda late to
be arguing about it now.

"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote: Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kinda
late to be arguing about it now.

It has never been established that they agreed to pay $1000 or any
other amount.

-Mike

In article <8%MVb.28716$KV5.14297@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>,
El Senor <none@nowhere.nohow.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote: Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kindalate to be arguing about it now.It has never been established that they agreed to pay $1000 or anyother amount.

Have they ever denied it?

"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:c082oi$bgc@rac1.wam.umd.edu... In article <kJEVb.51$_3.5219@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc. rr.com... tinydancer wrote: > "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... >> Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some >> jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. >> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some >> drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp >> that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. >> You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney > > > Sounds like grand larceny to me. Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a
drug dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged
with fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are
engaged in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws
are weird.First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services
rendered.They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are. Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?

OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's
a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left.

"El Senor" <none@nowhere.nohow.com> wrote in message
news:8%MVb.28716$KV5.14297@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... "tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote: Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kinda late to be arguing about it now. It has never been established that they agreed to pay $1000 or any other amount.

Nor does it matter, from a criminal perspective. Breach of contract
is a civil matter.

"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:c086id$m7i@rac1.wam.umd.edu... In article <8%MVb.28716$KV5.14297@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>, El Senor <none@nowhere.nohow.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote: Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kindalate to be arguing about it now.It has never been established that they agreed to pay $1000 or anyother amount. Have they ever denied it?

Take them to civil court and find out.

In article <pGiVb.24459$qK3.18839@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
"tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote:
"jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me.

You must of gotten your law degree from a cracker jack box to think that
not being paid for a illegal act is grand larceny.

--
"He that would exchange liberty for temporary safety
deserves neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin
"Those who are ready to sacrifice freedom for security
ultimately will lose both" - Abraham Lincoln

In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left.

Theft of services is a criminal matter.

On 9 Feb 2004 13:09:11 -0500, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:
In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left.Theft of services is a criminal matter.

This isn't theft, at worst it's non-payment of a debt - a civil
matter.

The boys could sue the fots for damages to the person because of the
mental distress she caused them.

tjab wrote: In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in messageThen they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left. Theft of services is a criminal matter.

Yes -- but what you're talking about is breach of contract.

"Zippy" <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c08k8f$144pd9$1@ID-13547.news.uni-berlin.de... On 9 Feb 2004 13:09:11 -0500, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your
left.Theft of services is a criminal matter. This isn't theft, at worst it's non-payment of a debt - a civil matter. The boys could sue the fots for damages to the person because of the mental distress she caused them.


When did they become 'boys'? In the article they were referred to as men?

td

"tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:kaRVb.1355$Ch.342@bignews6.bellsouth.net... "Zippy" <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote in message news:c08k8f$144pd9$1@ID-13547.news.uni-berlin.de... On 9 Feb 2004 13:09:11 -0500, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>>>> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?>>OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's>a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left.Theft of services is a criminal matter. This isn't theft, at worst it's non-payment of a debt - a civil matter. The boys could sue the fots for damages to the person because of the mental distress she caused them. When did they become 'boys'? In the article they were referred to as men?

They were in college. They were college aged males. Do boys or men go to
college?

Raqui wrote: "tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote in message news:kaRVb.1355$Ch.342@bignews6.bellsouth.net..."Zippy" <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote in messagenews:c08k8f$144pd9$1@ID-13547.news.uni-berlin.de...On 9 Feb 2004 13:09:11 -0500, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:>In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,>Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>>"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>>>>>Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?>>>>OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's>>a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on yourleft.>Theft of services is a criminal matter.This isn't theft, at worst it's non-payment of a debt - a civilmatter.The boys could sue the fots for damages to the person because of themental distress she caused them.When did they become 'boys'? In the article they were referred to as men? They were in college. They were college aged males. Do boys or men go to college?

Yes. ;-)

In article <c08vd8$5ff$6@stan.redhat.com>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:Raqui wrote: "tinydancer" <tinydancer@nospam.com> wrote in message news:kaRVb.1355$Ch.342@bignews6.bellsouth.net..."Zippy" <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote in messagenews:c08k8f$144pd9$1@ID-13547.news.uni-berlin.de...>On 9 Feb 2004 13:09:11 -0500, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:>>>>In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,>>Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>>>>"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>>>>>>>Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?>>>>>>OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's>>>a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on yourleft.>>Theft of services is a criminal matter.>>This isn't theft, at worst it's non-payment of a debt - a civil>matter.>>The boys could sue the fots for damages to the person because of the>mental distress she caused them.When did they become 'boys'? In the article they were referred to as men? They were in college. They were college aged males. Do boys or men go to college?Yes. ;-)

Girls and women too, happily enough!

"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:4zPVb.123$_3.6755@typhoon.sonic.net... "El Senor" <none@nowhere.nohow.com> wrote in message news:8%MVb.28716$KV5.14297@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... "tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote: Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kinda late to be arguing about it now. It has never been established that they agreed to pay $1000 or any other amount. Nor does it matter, from a criminal perspective. Breach of contract is a civil matter.

You know, I always had a healthy disdain for you, but I never quite realised
just what an odious Blob-supporting bastard you were before, Snidey. Thanks
for clarifying - and confirming my opinion of sockmen.

John James (JJ)

In alt.true-crime on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:17:04 GMT, "Michael Snyder"
<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:
"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc. rr.com... tinydancer wrote: "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...> Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some> jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some> drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp> that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up.> You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney Sounds like grand larceny to me. Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are weird.First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.

No, but they _are_ worth $1000 because that's what they agreed to pay.
--
L8r,
Bill
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quote one's self?" - Me
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:56:44 GMT, Avender@SpamMeNot.com (Bill, The
Avender) wrote:
In alt.true-crime on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:17:04 GMT, "Michael Snyder"<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc. rr.com... tinydancer wrote: > "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om... >> Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some >> jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states. >> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some >> drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp >> that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up. >> You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney > > > Sounds like grand larceny to me. Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are weird.First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.No, but they _are_ worth $1000 because that's what they agreed to pay.

Accounts vary about the agreed amount, if any amount was agreed. The
NY Post has the figure at $600.
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/16036.htm

Her victims did offer to pay $6, so it may just have been a
misunderstanding about the price of the merchandise.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:56:23 -0000, "John James" <not@all.co.uk>
wrote:
"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in messagenews:4zPVb.123$_3.6755@typhoon.sonic.net... "El Senor" <none@nowhere.nohow.com> wrote in message news:8%MVb.28716$KV5.14297@nwrdny01.gnilink.net... "tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote: > Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? Kinda late to > be arguing about it now. It has never been established that they agreed to pay $1000 or any other amount. Nor does it matter, from a criminal perspective. Breach of contract is a civil matter.You know, I always had a healthy disdain for you, but I never quite realisedjust what an odious Blob-supporting bastard you were before, Snidey. Thanksfor clarifying - and confirming my opinion of sockmen.John James (JJ)

What did he say that could make you go off the way you do JJ? You
really need to calm down......seriously.

tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message news:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left. Theft of services is a criminal matter.

That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the
jurisdiction.

It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal
as such.

I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that
the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong.
Would you care to comment on this?

BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused
of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also
been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly
the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.

One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract
attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend
to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing?

In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one
for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be
prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not?

And for that matter, do you think she was raped?

Rich

"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in message
news:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.google.c om... tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message
news:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your
left. Theft of services is a criminal matter. That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the jurisdiction. It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal as such. I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong. Would you care to comment on this? BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well. One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing? In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not? And for that matter, do you think she was raped?

I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed.
Rich

In article <FcbWb.28287$1O.6343@fed1read05>, Raqui <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote:"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in messagenews:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.g oogle.com... tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in messagenews:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: > >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message >> >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? > >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on yourleft. Theft of services is a criminal matter. That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the jurisdiction. It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal as such. I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong.

Yes, I do.
Would you care to comment on this? BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.

If it can be proven, it should be prosecuted criminally. He, the state,
and the police are victims.
One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing?

The case at hand disproves your premise.
In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not?

Of course.
And for that matter, do you think she was raped?

By any law I know of she was not.

All that clear enough for you?
I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed.

You'd be wrong.

"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:c0bfoi$cg1@rac3.wam.umd.edu... In article <FcbWb.28287$1O.6343@fed1read05>, Raqui <WestCoast@TV.com>
wrote:"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in messagenews:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.g oogle.com... tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in messagenews:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... > In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, > Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: > > > >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message > >> > >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? > > > >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's > >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on
yourleft. > > Theft of services is a criminal matter. That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the jurisdiction. It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal as such. I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong. Yes, I do. Would you care to comment on this? BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well. If it can be proven, it should be prosecuted criminally. He, the state, and the police are victims. One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing? The case at hand disproves your premise. In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not? Of course. And for that matter, do you think she was raped? By any law I know of she was not. All that clear enough for you?I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed. You'd be wrong.

Told you it would work:)

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:31:21 -0800, "Raqui" <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote:
"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in messagenews:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.g oogle.com... tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in messagenews:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: > >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message >> >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? > >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on yourleft. Theft of services is a criminal matter.

Theft of legal services no? My bookie cannot take me to court.:) That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the jurisdiction. It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal as such. I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong. Would you care to comment on this? BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well. One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing? In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not? And for that matter, do you think she was raped?I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed. Rich

In article <l9cWb.28297$1O.28111@fed1read05>, Raqui <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in messagenews:c0bfoi$cg1@rac3.wam.umd.edu... In article <FcbWb.28287$1O.6343@fed1read05>, Raqui <WestCoast@TV.com>wrote:"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in messagenews:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.g oogle.com...> tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in messagenews:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>...> > In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,> > Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:> > >> > >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message> > >>> > >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?> > >> > >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's> > >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door onyourleft.> >> > Theft of services is a criminal matter.>> That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the> jurisdiction.>> It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal> as such.>> I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that> the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong. Yes, I do.> Would you care to comment on this?>> BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused> of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also> been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly> the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well. If it can be proven, it should be prosecuted criminally. He, the state, and the police are victims.> One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract> attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend> to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing? The case at hand disproves your premise.> In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one> for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be> prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not? Of course.> And for that matter, do you think she was raped? By any law I know of she was not. All that clear enough for you?I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed. You'd be wrong.Told you it would work:)

And leave you looking like the dog that caught the car.

Raqui wrote: "tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:c0bfoi$cg1@rac3.wam.umd.edu...In article <FcbWb.28287$1O.6343@fed1read05>, Raqui <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote:"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in messagenews:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.g oogle.com...>tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in messagenews:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>...>>In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,>>Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>>>>"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>>>>>>>Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?>>>>>>OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's>>>a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on yourleft.>>Theft of services is a criminal matter.>>That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the>jurisdiction.>>It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal>as such.>>I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that>the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong.Yes, I do.>Would you care to comment on this?>>BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused>of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also>been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly>the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.If it can be proven, it should be prosecuted criminally. He, the state,and the police are victims.>One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract>attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend>to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing?The case at hand disproves your premise.>In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one>for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be>prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not?Of course.>And for that matter, do you think she was raped?By any law I know of she was not.All that clear enough for you?I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed.You'd be wrong. Told you it would work:)

My thought exactly. Congrats, you're getting to be
quite the little manipulator there. ;-)

"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:c0brrv$a3o$2@stan.redhat.com... Raqui wrote: "tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:c0bfoi$cg1@rac3.wam.umd.edu...In article <FcbWb.28287$1O.6343@fed1read05>, Raqui <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote:>"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in message>news:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.google.c om...>>>tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message>>news:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>...>>>>In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,>>>Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>>>>>>"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>>>>>>>>>Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?>>>>>>>>OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's>>>>a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your>left.>>>>Theft of services is a criminal matter.>>>>That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and the>>jurisdiction.>>>>It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegal>>as such.>>>>I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think that>>the prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong.Yes, I do.>>Would you care to comment on this?>>>>BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused>>of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also>>been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly>>the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.If it can be proven, it should be prosecuted criminally. He, the state,and the police are victims.>>One final matter, women who make false rape accusations to distract>>attention when they have been caught in the commission of a crime tend>>to have their crimes forgotten. Is this a good thing?The case at hand disproves your premise.>>In this case, the women broke two laws, one for prositituion and one>>for filing a false police report. Do you think that she should be>>prosecuted for these crimes? Why or why not?Of course.>>And for that matter, do you think she was raped?By any law I know of she was not.All that clear enough for you?>I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed.You'd be wrong. Told you it would work:) My thought exactly. Congrats, you're getting to be quite the little manipulator there. ;-)

Learning, learning. Of course some people are so predictable.

In alt.true-crime on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:55 +0000, Zippy
<zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:56:44 GMT, Avender@SpamMeNot.com (Bill, TheAvender) wrote:In alt.true-crime on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:17:04 GMT, "Michael Snyder"<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc. rr.com...> tinydancer wrote:> > "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...> >> Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some> >> jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.> >> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some> >> drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp> >> that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up.> >> You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney> >> >> > Sounds like grand larceny to me.>> Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a> prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug> dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with> fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged> in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are> weird.First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.No, but they _are_ worth $1000 because that's what they agreed to pay.Accounts vary about the agreed amount, if any amount was agreed. TheNY Post has the figure at $600.http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/16036.htmHer victims did offer to pay $6, so it may just have been amisunderstanding about the price of the merchandise.

Well, that's interesting to know. However, even if the agreed upon
price was a single penny, I'm of the opinion she should legally be
able to press rape charges if they fail to pay it.
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"Bill, The Avender" <Avender@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:403581c8.95819313@newsgroups.bellsouth.net... In alt.true-crime on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:55 +0000, Zippy <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote:On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:56:44 GMT, Avender@SpamMeNot.com (Bill, TheAvender) wrote:In alt.true-crime on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:17:04 GMT, "Michael Snyder"<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message>news:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc.rr.com. ..>> tinydancer wrote:>> > "jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> > news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...>> >> Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in
some>> >> jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.>> >> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to
some>> >> drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp>> >> that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up.>> >> You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney>> >>> >>> > Sounds like grand larceny to me.>>>> Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay
a>> prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a
drug>> dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged
with>> fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are
engaged>> in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know.
Laws are>> weird.>>First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services
rendered.>They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.No, but they _are_ worth $1000 because that's what they agreed to pay.Accounts vary about the agreed amount, if any amount was agreed. TheNY Post has the figure at $600.http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/16036.htmHer victims did offer to pay $6, so it may just have been amisunderstanding about the price of the merchandise. Well, that's interesting to know. However, even if the agreed upon price was a single penny, I'm of the opinion she should legally be able to press rape charges if they fail to pay it.

Then you need to change the definition of rape. The way it's currently
defined, they did NOT rape her.

"Rich" <rpayne@mybluelight.com> wrote in message
news:3a256c50.0402101216.1cfb61de@posting.google.c om...
[...] BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accused of rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court. It has also been stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possibly the state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.

That's a baseless calumny, and you know it. Prove it. - quotes from t.r.
regulars.

John James (JJ)

"Raqui" <WestCoast@TV.com> wrote in message
news:FcbWb.28287$1O.6343@fed1read05...
[...] I doubt that you get an answer to any of the questions you've posed. Rich

This from someone who can't even read what he posted earlier in the same
thread...

John James (JJ)

On 10 Feb 2004 12:16:33 -0800, rpayne@mybluelight.com (Rich) wrote:
tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message news:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that'sa civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left. Theft of services is a criminal matter.That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and thejurisdiction.It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegalas such.
Oh?
I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think thatthe prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong.Would you care to comment on this?BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accusedof rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court.

Perhaps you should substitute "is" for "should be."

Just because we don't tend to give the kneejerk opinion that penalties
for FRAs should mirror penalties for rape doesn't mean that we think
criminal courts should be lenient to false accusers.
It has alsobeen stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possiblythe state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.
I don't think anyone has specifically said that those who are falsely
accused of rape are not victims. It's just that the criminal laws
don't reflect that status. Slander isn't handled in criminal court,
either.

AFAICS, the *structure* of laws need to be rewritten in order for
false accusations of crimes to be treated legally as a criminal matter
with the accused bringing charges against the accuser. But when I try
to point that out, you cry foul..

[...]

Laurie

Bill, The Avender wrote: In alt.true-crime on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:55 +0000, Zippy <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote:On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:56:44 GMT, Avender@SpamMeNot.com (Bill, TheAvender) wrote:In alt.true-crime on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:17:04 GMT, "Michael Snyder"<msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message>news:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc.rr.com. ..>>>tinydancer wrote:>>>>>"jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>>news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...>>>>>>>Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some>>>>jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.>>>> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some>>>>drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp>>>>that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up.>>>>You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney>>>>>>>>>Sounds like grand larceny to me.>>>>Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a>>prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug>>dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with>>fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged>>in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are>>weird.>>First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.>They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.No, but they _are_ worth $1000 because that's what they agreed to pay.Accounts vary about the agreed amount, if any amount was agreed. TheNY Post has the figure at $600.http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/16036.htmHer victims did offer to pay $6, so it may just have been amisunderstanding about the price of the merchandise. Well, that's interesting to know. However, even if the agreed upon price was a single penny, I'm of the opinion she should legally be able to press rape charges if they fail to pay it. -- L8r, Bill

Your misandry is noted.

Bob

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:50:06 GMT, Laurie S. <lauriellen@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 10 Feb 2004 12:16:33 -0800, rpayne@mybluelight.com (Rich) wrote:tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message news:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>... In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote: > >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message >> >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they? > >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on your left. Theft of services is a criminal matter.

Not if the services are illegal. For instance my bookie cannot sue me
in court for money I own him....IF I had a bookie.That would seem to depend upon the value of said services and thejurisdiction.It is interesting that making a false rape accusation is not illegalas such.Oh?I note that you have not yet responded as to whether you think thatthe prostitute committed a crime, or even if she did anything wrong.Would you care to comment on this?BTW, talk.rape regulars seem to think that if a man is falsely accusedof rape, that his only remedy *should be* Civil court.Perhaps you should substitute "is" for "should be."Just because we don't tend to give the kneejerk opinion that penaltiesfor FRAs should mirror penalties for rape doesn't mean that we thinkcriminal courts should be lenient to false accusers. It has alsobeen stated that he is not a victim and that the police, and possiblythe state are the victims. Would you please comment on this as well.I don't think anyone has specifically said that those who are falselyaccused of rape are not victims. It's just that the criminal lawsdon't reflect that status. Slander isn't handled in criminal court,either.AFAICS, the *structure* of laws need to be rewritten in order forfalse accusations of crimes to be treated legally as a criminal matterwith the accused bringing charges against the accuser. But when I tryto point that out, you cry foul..[...]Laurie

In alt.true-crime on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:19:00 -0700, Bob
<boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill, The Avender wrote: In alt.true-crime on Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:21:55 +0000, Zippy <zippy@doodah.btinternet.com> wrote:On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:56:44 GMT, Avender@SpamMeNot.com (Bill, TheAvender) wrote:>In alt.true-crime on Mon, 09 Feb 2004 05:17:04 GMT, "Michael Snyder"><msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>>>>"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>news:aSiVb.183729$4F2.23751285@twister.nyc.rr.com. ..>>>>>tinydancer wrote:>>>>>>>"jitney" <jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>>>news:b8002be7.0402072011.5d0a1e70@posting.google.c om...>>>>>>>>>Strange to say, the rape shield laws are written so tightly in some>>>>>jurisdictions that her charges might stick in some states.>>>>> BTW, she was a pretty stupid hooker to extend $1000 credit to some>>>>>drunk college athletes. And they're lucky she doesn't have a pimp>>>>>that would take a straight razor to their faces for not paying up.>>>>>You know, law of the jungle.-Jitney>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like grand larceny to me.>>>>>>Is it? You know, I wonder about that. I mean, if a john doesn't pay a>>>prostitute, he IS stealing her services, but can he be charged? If a drug>>>dealer sells a drug user flour instead of cocaine, can he be charged with>>>fraud or theft? I would think that the fact that both parties are engaged>>>in illegal activities makes that impossible, but you never know. Laws are>>>weird.>>>>First thing we'd have to do is establish the value of the services rendered.>>They're not worth $1000 just because she says they are.>>No, but they _are_ worth $1000 because that's what they agreed to pay.Accounts vary about the agreed amount, if any amount was agreed. TheNY Post has the figure at $600.http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/16036.htmHer victims did offer to pay $6, so it may just have been amisunderstanding about the price of the merchandise. Well, that's interesting to know. However, even if the agreed upon price was a single penny, I'm of the opinion she should legally be able to press rape charges if they fail to pay it. -- L8r, BillYour misandry is noted.

As is your projection.

;-)

BTW, if you'd care to explain how you thought you could even hope to
be able to utter such an absurd analysis of the quoted post without
becoming a laughingstock, please feel free to do so.
--
L8r,
Bill
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Bill, The Avender wrote: Telling someone you're a movie director and you can help someone get a starring role - when you're really just the janitor - if there's a valid argument to be made that such isn't rape, I've yet to hear it.

It isn't rape.

In article <c0ecvq$dn6$1@stan.redhat.com>,
Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:Bill, The Avender wrote: Telling someone you're a movie director and you can help someone get a starring role - when you're really just the janitor - if there's a valid argument to be made that such isn't rape, I've yet to hear it.It isn't rape.

Looks like you're going to remain "yet to hear it."

tjab wrote: In article <c0ecvq$dn6$1@stan.redhat.com>, Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:Bill, The Avender wrote:Telling someone you're a movie director and you can helpsomeone get a starring role - when you're really just the janitor - ifthere's a valid argument to be made that such isn't rape, I've yet tohear it.It isn't rape. Looks like you're going to remain "yet to hear it."

Yep. No argument necessary. It ain't rape. Your own posting
of state laws shows that deception is NOT mentioned among the
things that constitute rape -- except for a SPECIFIC exception:
deceiving a woman into thinking you are her husband.

"Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:gEDWb.668$_3.12693@typhoon.sonic.net...
[...] I dunno who you're talking to -- I'm reading and replying in
alt.true-crime.

You forget you're x-posting this **** to t.r., Snidey - and we *know* you've
been a sockman regular for years.

John James (JJ)

John James wrote: "Michael Snyder" <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote in message news:gEDWb.668$_3.12693@typhoon.sonic.net... [...]I dunno who you're talking to -- I'm reading and replying in alt.true-crime. You forget you're x-posting this **** to t.r., Snidey

No I didn't.
- and we *know* you've been a sockman regular for years.

Yeah, so?

Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote in message:
news:magk20pcripcqstc5c8p6kjf2cjcudm6sq@4ax.com:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:50:06 GMT, Laurie S. <lauriellen@hotmail.com> wrote:On 10 Feb 2004 12:16:33 -0800, rpayne@mybluelight.com (Rich) wrote:tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in messagenews:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>...> In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,> Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:> >> >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message> >>> >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?> >> >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's> >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on> >your left.>> Theft of services is a criminal matter. Not if the services are illegal. For instance my bookie cannot sue me in court for money I own him....IF I had a bookie.

Is gambling illegal?

--
Neil

On 15 Feb 2004 14:05:32 GMT, Neil <ix_tabTRAP@saintly.com> wrote:
Sky King <heaystiem@emas.net> wrote in message:news:magk20pcripcqstc5c8p6kjf2cjcudm6sq@4a x.com: On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:50:06 GMT, Laurie S. <lauriellen@hotmail.com> wrote:On 10 Feb 2004 12:16:33 -0800, rpayne@mybluelight.com (Rich) wrote:>tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote in message>news:<c08ic7$506@rac3.wam.umd.edu>...>> In article <RwPVb.122$_3.6488@typhoon.sonic.net>,>> Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com> wrote:>> >>> >"tjab" <tjab@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message>> >>>> >> Then they shouldn't have agreed to pay $1000, should they?>> >>> >OIC. You want to discuss breach of contract. Fine -- but that's>> >a civil matter, not a criminal one. Down the hall, third door on>> >your left.>>>> Theft of services is a criminal matter. Not if the services are illegal. For instance my bookie cannot sue me in court for money I own him....IF I had a bookie.Is gambling illegal?


It is if you use a Bookie in the U.S. There are legal places to bet
where your winnings will be taxed. Gambling is legal in many places
but the govt. wants their cut.