Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing
the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender.
They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should
not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more
sensitive to their feelings.

That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads
"Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading
"Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love."

Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer
expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about
adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but
don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother
sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's
feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare
teens away from "choosing" adoption.

We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times,
and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in
public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to
tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him
out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from
certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story.
They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their
parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about
adoption, Biblical or otherwise.

To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and
desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the
social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river,
believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his
mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse.
We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural
siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his
tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his
people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God
helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies.

We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any
information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a
dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare
himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that
natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people
imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as
foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee
grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to
freedom.

Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that
helps us defraud teenagers of their babies.



Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs)

LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more sensitive to their feelings. That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare teens away from "choosing" adoption. We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about adoption, Biblical or otherwise. To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to freedom. Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs)

I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the
quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the
bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him
and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up
being his adopters. Not a pretty story.

On 18 Mar 2004 16:14:31 -0800, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)
wrote:
LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more sensitive to their feelings. That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare teens away from "choosing" adoption. We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about adoption, Biblical or otherwise. To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to freedom. Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs)I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as thequintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in thebullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill himand all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended upbeing his adopters. Not a pretty story.

Those awful afternoon TV shows give the answer..

Some Americans.. Not all mind.. Have the attention span of a mole..


Jackie

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message
news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more sensitive to their feelings. That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare teens away from "choosing" adoption. We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about adoption, Biblical or otherwise. To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to freedom. Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up being his adopters. Not a pretty story.

I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was
downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful.
Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday
instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's
just me.

Marley

In article <1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>,
LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote:
Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more sensitive to their feelings.


I think we'll manage. After all, we manage to listen to your mooing :-)





steve

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more sensitive to their feelings. That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare teens away from "choosing" adoption. We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about adoption, Biblical or otherwise. To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to freedom. Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up being his adopters. Not a pretty story. I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's just me. Marley

Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth
sticking around and being loyal for.

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > sensitive to their feelings. > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising
roads > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs
reading > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at
taxpayer > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other
people's > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical
times, > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons
him > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering
their > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where
his > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > freedom. > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if
that > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up being his adopters. Not a pretty story. I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He
was downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but
that's just me. Marley Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth sticking around and being loyal for.

I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real
father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This
should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate
adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle
that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me
directly for lifestyle grants.

Marley

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > freedom. > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's just me. Marley Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth sticking around and being loyal for. I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me directly for lifestyle grants. Marley

Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts?
Di

"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message
news:tpgk50d5pe9sd05m1tn8mfnar16vlqbc83@4ax.com... On 18 Mar 2004 16:14:31 -0800, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message
news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more sensitive to their feelings. That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare teens away from "choosing" adoption. We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about adoption, Biblical or otherwise. To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to freedom. Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs)I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as thequintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in thebullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill himand all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended upbeing his adopters. Not a pretty story. Those awful afternoon TV shows give the answer.. Some Americans.. Not all mind.. Have the attention span of a mole..


Just like some Canadians, some Australians, etc., etc., etc.,

Kathy 1

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of
hearing > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption
surrender. > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and
should > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial
Love." > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love
but > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the
mother > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or
scare > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach
in > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's
okay to > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother
abandons him > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him
from > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole
story. > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts
about > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or
the > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the
river, > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part
where his > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his
wetnurse. > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons
his > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and
his > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how
God > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen
and a > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't
compare > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence
that > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick
as > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the
adoptee > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > freedom. > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible
if that > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in
the > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill
him > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended
up > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status.
He was > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally
ungrateful. > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh
someday > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > just me. > > Marley Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be
worth sticking around and being loyal for. I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor.
This should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me directly for lifestyle grants. Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di

As my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant for
Lifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulously
wealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to finance
a fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children. You
may, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy husbands
that you like.

Marley

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<pmF6c.1359$PY1.28229@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > > just me. > > > > Marley > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth > sticking around and being loyal for. I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me directly for lifestyle grants. Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di As my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant for Lifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulously wealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to finance a fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children. You may, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy husbands that you like. Marley

I'm truly blessed beyond all recognition and will honour your ever so
generous criteria.

Di

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in messagenews:tpgk50d5pe9sd05m1tn8mfnar16vlqbc83@4ax .com... On 18 Mar 2004 16:14:31 -0800, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in messagenews:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>...> Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing> the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender.> They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should> not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more> sensitive to their feelings.>> That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads> "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading> "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love.">> Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer> expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about> adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but> don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother> sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's> feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare> teens away from "choosing" adoption.>> We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times,> and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in> public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to> tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him> out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from> certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story.> They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their> parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about> adoption, Biblical or otherwise.>> To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and> desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the> social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river,> believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his> mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse.> We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural> siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his> tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his> people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God> helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies.>> We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any> information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a> dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare> himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that> natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people> imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as> foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee> grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to> freedom.>> Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that> helps us defraud teenagers of their babies.>>>> Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs)I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as thequintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in thebullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill himand all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended upbeing his adopters. Not a pretty story. Those awful afternoon TV shows give the answer.. Some Americans.. Not all mind.. Have the attention span of a mole..Just like some Canadians, some Australians, etc., etc., etc.,Kathy 1

Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may
relinquish one day..

Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada..


Jackie

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403191445.751c01c8@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<pmF6c.1359$PY1.28229@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be
more > > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs
advertising roads > > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with
signs reading > > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom,
at taxpayer > > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things
about > > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial
love but > > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt
other people's > > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings,
or scare > > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from
Biblical times, > > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to
preach in > > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues
him from > > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the
whole story. > > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents
surrendering their > > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the
facts about > > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear
and > > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child,
or the > > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his
natural > > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses
abandons his > > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him
and his > > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail
how God > > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out
any > > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the
screen and a > > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical
evidence that > > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some)
people > > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be
quick as > > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them
to > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole
Bible if that > > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as
the > > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him
in the > > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to
kill him > > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who
ended up > > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA
status. He was > > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives,
but that's > > > just me. > > > > > > Marley > > > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost
be worth > > sticking around and being loyal for. > > I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my
real > father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke
Astor. This > should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to
liberate > adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a
lifestyle > that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to
me > directly for lifestyle grants. > > Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di As my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant for Lifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulously wealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to
finance a fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children.
You may, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy
husbands that you like. Marley I'm truly blessed beyond all recognition and will honour your ever so generous criteria. Di

My pleasure, Di. I expect pictures once a year. but you can send them
through an intermediary if it makes you more comfortable.

Marley

In article <mb1n5018a6of6uhnkdo9ipohn233fobj4e@4ax.com>, Jackie says...
snipCanadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that mayrelinquish one day..

No, hon. That would be the people that wrote the bible. Funny, but I thought
your religion was important to you. <shrugs>Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada..

Is that why you came to the US to do it?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <pmF6c.1359$PY1.28229@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Marley
Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> writes:
Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? DiAs my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant forLifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulouslywealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to financea fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children.

That's OK, Marley. I make enough off the kids.

J.
Youmay, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy husbandsthat you like.Marley





Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message
Some Americans.. Not all mind.. Have the attention span of a mole..Just like some Canadians, some Australians, etc., etc., etc.,Kathy 1 Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may relinquish one day..

Not what I was commenting on.
Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada..

And?

Kathy 1

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<VGL6c.54920$H44.1004476@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403191445.751c01c8@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<pmF6c.1359$PY1.28229@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.c om... > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > > > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > > > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > > > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > > > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > > > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > > > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > > > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > > > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > > > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that > > > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the > > > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > > > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > > > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was > > > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > > > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > > > > just me. > > > > > > > > Marley > > > > > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth > > > sticking around and being loyal for. > > > > I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real > > father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This > > should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate > > adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle > > that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me > > directly for lifestyle grants. > > > > Marley > > Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? > Di As my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant for Lifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulously wealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to finance a fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children. You may, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy husbands that you like. Marley I'm truly blessed beyond all recognition and will honour your ever so generous criteria. Di My pleasure, Di. I expect pictures once a year. but you can send them through an intermediary if it makes you more comfortable. Marley

Mmmm... can we discuss pictures AFTER the contract is signed? I don't
know if I am willing to be quite so open you understand.

in article mb1n5018a6of6uhnkdo9ipohn233fobj4e@4ax.com, Jackie at
forgetit@me.com wrote on 19/3/04 11:44 pm:
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just like some Canadians, some Australians, etc., etc., etc., Kathy 1 Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may relinquish one day.. Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada.. Jackie


Still a lot more women relinquishing in Canada than in the civilised world
(western Europe). And I don't see why you're so obsessed with other
countries' laws when your own country's access to adoption records laws are
still so crap.

If you're worried about "kids" relinquishing, you should be doing something
about preventing "kids" from getting pregnant, something a bit more
pro-active than sitting on your arse whinging to a newsgroup.


Robin

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<c3f0mf$27av0p$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:tpgk50d5pe9sd05m1tn8mfnar16vlqbc83@4ax.com... On 18 Mar 2004 16:14:31 -0800, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>...> Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing> the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender.> They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should> not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more> sensitive to their feelings.>> That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads> "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading> "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love.">> Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer> expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about> adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but> don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother> sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's> feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare> teens away from "choosing" adoption.>> We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times,> and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in> public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to> tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him> out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from> certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story.> They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their> parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about> adoption, Biblical or otherwise.>> To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and> desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the> social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river,> believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his> mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse.> We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural> siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his> tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his> people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God> helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies.>> We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any> information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a> dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare> himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that> natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people> imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as> foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee> grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to> freedom.>> Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that> helps us defraud teenagers of their babies.>>>> Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs)I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as thequintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in thebullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill himand all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended upbeing his adopters. Not a pretty story. Those awful afternoon TV shows give the answer.. Some Americans.. Not all mind.. Have the attention span of a mole.. Just like some Canadians, some Australians, etc., etc., etc., Kathy 1

Maybe us "Americans" should think of Canada in South Park fashion then!

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<mb1n5018a6of6uhnkdo9ipohn233fobj4e@4ax.com>... On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:39:14 -0500, "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote:"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in messagenews:tpgk50d5pe9sd05m1tn8mfnar16vlqbc83@4ax .com... On 18 Mar 2004 16:14:31 -0800, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: >LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... >> Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing >> the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. >> They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should >> not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more >> sensitive to their feelings. >> >> That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads >> "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading >> "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." >> >> Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer >> expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about >> adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but >> don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother >> sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's >> feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare >> teens away from "choosing" adoption. >> >> We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, >> and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in >> public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to >> tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him >> out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from >> certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. >> They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their >> parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about >> adoption, Biblical or otherwise. >> >> To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and >> desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the >> social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, >> believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his >> mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. >> We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural >> siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his >> tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his >> people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God >> helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. >> >> We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any >> information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a >> dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare >> himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that >> natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people >> imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as >> foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee >> grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to >> freedom. >> >> Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that >> helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. >> >> >> >> Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > >I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the >quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the >bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him >and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up >being his adopters. Not a pretty story. Those awful afternoon TV shows give the answer.. Some Americans.. Not all mind.. Have the attention span of a mole..Just like some Canadians, some Australians, etc., etc., etc.,Kathy 1 Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may relinquish one day.. Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada.. Jackie

That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came from
the Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet there
are a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal. As an aside to
Jackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the whole
Moses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets are
even being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms.

patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.com>... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > freedom. > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > just me. > > Marley Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth sticking around and being loyal for. I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me directly for lifestyle grants. Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di


I'll pass. I think my birthfather is pretty darn famous too. (just kidding)

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<pmF6c.1359$PY1.28229@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > > just me. > > > > Marley > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth > sticking around and being loyal for. I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me directly for lifestyle grants. Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di As my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant for Lifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulously wealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to finance a fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children. You may, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy husbands that you like. Marley

I may change my mind too and join if you will throw in a house in
historic Charleston and a new car or two (Porsche, Range
Rover...something along those lines). You can forget the multiple
husbands here, one is quite sufficient to pick up after (unless of
course a housekeeper, besides myself, is included in the deal).

"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message
news:4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.google.c om... Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message
news:<mb1n5018a6of6uhnkdo9ipohn233fobj4e@4ax.com>...
Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may relinquish one day.. Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada.. Jackie That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came from the Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet there are a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal.


I think the point is that an Old Testament myth is being co-opted by the
baby savers to justify their proposals. It's a whacky concept and certainly
deserving of mention. I can't say with any certainty that this is a stricly
American phenomenom, but going by the name of a certain Texas enactment, I'm
willing to bet we pretty much own it.

As an aside to Jackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the whole Moses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets are even being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms.

There ya go.



Jack

"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message
news:4b23522a.0403211926.24498614@posting.google.c om... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message
news:<9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.com>... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of
hearing > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption
surrender. > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and
should > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs
advertising roads > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial
Love." > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial
love but > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the
mother > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or
scare > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to
preach in > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's
okay to > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother
abandons him > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him
from > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole
story. > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents
surrendering their > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts
about > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear
and > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or
the > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the
river, > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part
where his > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his
wetnurse. > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons
his > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him
and his > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how
God > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen
and a > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't
compare > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical
evidence that > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be
quick as > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the
adoptee > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible
if that > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in
the > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to
kill him > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who
ended up > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status.
He was > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally
ungrateful. > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh
someday > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > > just me. > > > > Marley > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be
worth > sticking around and being loyal for. I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my
real father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor.
This should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a
lifestyle that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to
me directly for lifestyle grants. Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di I'll pass. I think my birthfather is pretty darn famous too. (just
kidding)

My bdad called me last night to talke about how Ghengis Kahn would deal with
Al Q.

Marley

"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message
news:4b23522a.0403211929.557c9bed@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<pmF6c.1359$PY1.28229@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be
more > > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs
advertising roads > > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with
signs reading > > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom,
at taxpayer > > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things
about > > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial
love but > > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt
other people's > > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings,
or scare > > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from
Biblical times, > > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to
preach in > > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues
him from > > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the
whole story. > > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents
surrendering their > > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the
facts about > > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear
and > > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child,
or the > > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his
natural > > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses
abandons his > > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him
and his > > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail
how God > > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out
any > > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the
screen and a > > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical
evidence that > > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some)
people > > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be
quick as > > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them
to > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole
Bible if that > > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as
the > > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him
in the > > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to
kill him > > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who
ended up > > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA
status. He was > > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives,
but that's > > > just me. > > > > > > Marley > > > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost
be worth > > sticking around and being loyal for. > > I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my
real > father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke
Astor. This > should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to
liberate > adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a
lifestyle > that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to
me > directly for lifestyle grants. > > Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di As my very first applicant I will be happy to double your grant for Lifestyle Change, that is if I collect my fair share from my fabulously wealthy parents. My only stipulation is that you cannot use it to
finance a fundamentalist cult headed by a man with 17 wives and 103 children.
You may, however, establish your own cult and take as many Cabana boy
husbands that you like. Marley I may change my mind too and join if you will throw in a house in historic Charleston and a new car or two (Porsche, Range Rover...something along those lines). You can forget the multiple husbands here, one is quite sufficient to pick up after (unless of course a housekeeper, besides myself, is included in the deal).

We can negotiate.

Marley

>Subject: Re: Students discuss lifelong effectsFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 3/21/04 8:23 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.google.com>
That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came fromthe Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet thereare a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal. As an aside toJackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the wholeMoses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets areeven being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms.

Holy crap! Do you know where?


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

In article <20040322081135.06889.00000147@mb-m16.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: Students discuss lifelong effectsFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 3/21/04 8:23 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.google.com>That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came fromthe Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet thereare a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal. As an aside toJackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the wholeMoses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets areeven being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms.Holy crap! Do you know where?

I couldn't tell you where, but I remember when I was pregnant with my daughter
seeing "Moses baskets" advertized. I bet you could find them at Babies R Us.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <nPt7c.62193$nN5.61121@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Jack Bernhard"
<jcbernhard@deletethisprodigy.net> writes:
"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in messagenews:4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.g oogle.com... Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in messagenews:<mb1n5018a6of6uhnkdo9ipohn233fobj4e@4ax.com>... Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may relinquish one day.. Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada.. Jackie That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came from the Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet there are a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal.I think the point is that an Old Testament myth is being co-opted by thebaby savers to justify their proposals. It's a whacky concept and certainlydeserving of mention. I can't say with any certainty that this is a striclyAmerican phenomenom, but going by the name of a certain Texas enactment, I'mwilling to bet we pretty much own it. As an aside to Jackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the whole Moses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets are even being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms.There ya go.

Pretty odd phenomenon. My Bible* says Moses' mother hid him for 3 months, then
put him in a basket in the river. Only his sister hung around to see what
happened. That he ended up being found by Pharao's daughter rather than a
crocodile was a matter of luck or mysterious ways. Either way, a real Baby
Moses law would let you leave a kid in any situation, so long as he was in a
basket.

Can't see why Baby Moses baskets are popular with moms, unless there are many
who long to be rid of the kids.

J.

*That would be the New Catholic Edition, 1953.Jack








Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

"J." <jmdjmh@aol.compostible> wrote in message
news:20040322103346.01019.00000998@mb-m25.aol.com... In article <nPt7c.62193$nN5.61121@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, "Jack
Bernhard" <jcbernhard@deletethisprodigy.net> writes:"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in messagenews:4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.g oogle.com... Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in messagenews:<mb1n5018a6of6uhnkdo9ipohn233fobj4e@4ax.com>... > > Canadians did not cook up that crappy Moses story for kids that may > relinquish one day.. > > Not many women or kids relinquish in Canada.. > > > Jackie That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came from the Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet there are a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal.I think the point is that an Old Testament myth is being co-opted by thebaby savers to justify their proposals. It's a whacky concept and
certainlydeserving of mention. I can't say with any certainty that this is a
striclyAmerican phenomenom, but going by the name of a certain Texas enactment,
I'mwilling to bet we pretty much own it. As an aside to Jackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the whole Moses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets are even being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms.There ya go. Pretty odd phenomenon. My Bible* says Moses' mother hid him for 3 months,
then put him in a basket in the river. Only his sister hung around to see what happened. That he ended up being found by Pharao's daughter rather than a crocodile was a matter of luck or mysterious ways. Either way, a real
Baby Moses law would let you leave a kid in any situation, so long as he was in
a basket. Can't see why Baby Moses baskets are popular with moms, unless there are
many who long to be rid of the kids. J. *That would be the New Catholic Edition, 1953.Jack

Maybe they're being sold for the Baskets for Babies program in Allegheny
County.

Marley Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

>I couldn't tell you where, but I remember when I was pregnant with mydaughterseeing "Moses baskets" advertized. I bet you could find them at Babies R Us.Robyn


Our older son slept in a Baby Moses basket for a few weeks after we brought him
home. It was wicker, similar to a bassinet without legs. It was a gift. I do
not know where my friend bought it. There was no label calling it "Baby Moses
Basket" and there is no company, AFAIK, called that. It is just a nickname for
a certain style basket/bed.


P2P

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<i0u7c.14696$PY1.327725@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message news:4b23522a.0403211926.24498614@posting.google.c om... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.com>... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony of hearing > > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot and should > > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be more > > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with signs reading > > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom, at taxpayer > > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things about > > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what* the mother > > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt other people's > > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's feelings, or scare > > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from Biblical times, > > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And it's okay to > > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues him from > > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the whole story. > > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the facts about > > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal fear and > > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child, or the > > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the part where his > > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his natural > > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses abandons his > > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue him and his > > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail how God > > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out any > > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the screen and a > > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God doesn't compare > > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some) people > > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where the adoptee > > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads them to > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole Bible if that > > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as the > > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid him in the > > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA status. He was > > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be Pharoh someday > > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives, but that's > > > just me. > > > > > > Marley > > > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would almost be worth > > sticking around and being loyal for. > > I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real > father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke Astor. This > should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to liberate > adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle > that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply to me > directly for lifestyle grants. > > Marley Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? Di I'll pass. I think my birthfather is pretty darn famous too. (just kidding) My bdad called me last night to talke about how Ghengis Kahn would deal with Al Q. Marley

My bdad didn't have anything nearly so important to discuss with me.
He just called to offer me free Broadway tickets (oh yeah and a plane
ticket there) to see him in a play during his downtime from the big
screen. He also wanted me to meet my dozen or so other siblings from
various starlets. (My bmom was the only nonfamous, ordinary person).

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040322081135.06889.00000147@mb-m16.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Students discuss lifelong effectsFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 3/21/04 8:23 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.google.com>That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came fromthe Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet thereare a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal. As an aside toJackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the wholeMoses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets areeven being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms. Holy crap! Do you know where?

Oh gosh, any of the new parent magazines/catologs I've gotten have the
baby Moses baskets. You can put your babe in it, wrap him/her in a
little blanket and take them anywhere. Needless to say, I never had
one. :) ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040322081135.06889.00000147@mb-m16.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Students discuss lifelong effectsFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 3/21/04 8:23 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.google.com>That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came fromthe Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet thereare a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal. As an aside toJackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the wholeMoses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets areeven being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms. Holy crap! Do you know where?

check out babynitenite.com ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message
news:4b23522a.0403221328.5030683c@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<i0u7c.14696$PY1.327725@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message news:4b23522a.0403211926.24498614@posting.google.c om... patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<9a095db9.0403190358.3cb74c07@posting.google.com>... > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<DKx6c.50481$H44.927621@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > news:9a095db9.0403182340.2a68611@posting.google.co m... > > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
message news:<1Ts6c.31928$Pa7.833054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > > > > "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message > > > > news:9a095db9.0403181614.30f43e02@posting.google.c om... > > > > > LauraLewis1@msn.com (Laura Lewis) wrote in message news:<1a4c2bd3.0403180949.369db318@posting.google.com>... > > > > > > Lord knows we don't want to subject adopters to the agony
of hearing > > > > > > the terms "give up" or "put up" used to describe adoption surrender. > > > > > > They already suffer so much pain in adoption they cannot
and should > > > > > > not be forced to bear any more. We as a society must be
more > > > > > > sensitive to their feelings. > > > > > > > > > > > > That being the case, I propose that all those signs advertising roads > > > > > > "Up for Adoption" be replaced, at taxpayer expense, with
signs reading > > > > > > "Placed for Adoption out of the Truest Forms of
Sacrificial Love." > > > > > > > > > > > > Teenagers are now held captive audience, in the classroom,
at taxpayer > > > > > > expense, by adopters who tell them only positive things
about > > > > > > adoption, who claim that adoption is an act of sacrificial love but > > > > > > don't go into details. Teens don't need to know *what*
the mother > > > > > > sacrifices, or *how* she feels, because that might hurt
other people's > > > > > > feelings. We wouldn't want to hurt other people's
feelings, or scare > > > > > > teens away from "choosing" adoption. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll reassure teens that adoption's been around from
Biblical times, > > > > > > and tell the story of Moses to prove that. It's okay to preach in > > > > > > public schools as long as we're preaching adoption. And
it's okay to > > > > > > tell only part of the story, the part where Moses' mother abandons him > > > > > > out of love, and the part where Pharoah's daughter rescues
him from > > > > > > certain death. Adolescents are too immature to know the
whole story. > > > > > > They're old enough to sign binding legal documents surrendering their > > > > > > parental rights forever, but too young to handle all the
facts about > > > > > > adoption, Biblical or otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > To avoid confusing them, we won't discuss the maternal
fear and > > > > > > desperation that drove Moses' mother to abandon her child,
or the > > > > > > social conditions that caused her to set him adrift in the river, > > > > > > believing she was saving his life. We'll leave out the
part where his > > > > > > mother cunningly locates him and gets herself hired as his wetnurse. > > > > > > We'll ignore the part where Moses grows up knowing his
natural > > > > > > siblings. We'll overlook the passages wherein Moses
abandons his > > > > > > tyrannical, bigoted adopters and prays to God to rescue
him and his > > > > > > people from them, and the passages that describe in detail
how God > > > > > > helps Moses destroy his male adopter's armies. > > > > > > > > > > > > We'll lecture kids on "what the Bible says," but leave out
any > > > > > > information that might reveal adoption as a blip on the
screen and a > > > > > > dead-end on the highway of life. We'll pretend God
doesn't compare > > > > > > himself to natural mothers. We'll ignore the Biblical evidence that > > > > > > natural mothers aren't as stupid and gullible as (some)
people > > > > > > imagine, and never stop loving their children, and can be quick as > > > > > > foxes when the need arises. We'll delete the part where
the adoptee > > > > > > grows up and reunites with his kith and kin, and leads
them to > > > > > > freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hell, we're such good Christians we'll rewrite the whole
Bible if that > > > > > > helps us defraud teenagers of their babies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Laura (still waiting for those new road adoption signs) > > > > > > > > > > I never did understand why the story of Moses is put up as
the > > > > > quintessential adoption example. Afterall, his mother hid
him in the > > > > > bullrushes to protect him from the very people who wanted to kill him > > > > > and all firstborn sons. And it was those very murderers who ended up > > > > > being his adopters. Not a pretty story. > > > > > > > > I don't either. Moses was clearly not happy about his LDA
status. He was > > > > downright means-spirited about the whole thing, and totally ungrateful. > > > > Personally, I'd have sucked it up and stuck around to be
Pharoh someday > > > > instead of running of into the desert with my psycho elatives,
but that's > > > > just me. > > > > > > > > Marley > > > > > > Mmmm...I see what you mean. An inheritence like that would
almost be worth > > > sticking around and being loyal for. > > > > I have reason to believe that my DNA tests were cooked and that my real > > father is actually J. Paul Getty and my real mother is Brooke
Astor. This > > should entitle me to a vast fortune which I intend to use to
liberate > > adoptees worldwide, while at the same time enable me to live a lifestyle > > that the rest of you can only dream of. You may, of course, apply
to me > > directly for lifestyle grants. > > > > Marley > > Oh do sign me up. Are you providing earlybird discounts? > Di I'll pass. I think my birthfather is pretty darn famous too. (just kidding) My bdad called me last night to talke about how Ghengis Kahn would deal
with Al Q. Marley My bdad didn't have anything nearly so important to discuss with me. He just called to offer me free Broadway tickets (oh yeah and a plane ticket there) to see him in a play during his downtime from the big screen. He also wanted me to meet my dozen or so other siblings from various starlets. (My bmom was the only nonfamous, ordinary person).

Your bdad is Tom Cruise?

Marley

>Subject: Re: Students discuss lifelong effectsFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 3/22/04 2:31 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0403221331.6bc53830@posting.google.com>lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in messagenews:<20040322081135.06889.00000147@mb-m16.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Students discuss lifelong effectsFrom: aspensky@knology.net (Debbie)Date: 3/21/04 8:23 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <4b23522a.0403211923.4d812f2a@posting.google.com>That story came from the BIBLE Jackie. Good or bad story, it came fromthe Bible. Americans did not make that story up. I'd also bet thereare a Canadian or two who know the whole Moses deal. As an aside toJackie's prejudice against America, isn't it ironic that the wholeMoses thing is played up so much. I mean, the Baby Moses baskets areeven being marketed in cutesy fashion for new Moms. Holy crap! Do you know where?check out babynitenite.com

yikes. Thanks!


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown