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BATH TURNS TRAGIC
By MURRAY WEISS and JENNIFER FERMINO

LOVE LOST: Roslyn Hines of Queens was about to give Robbie, 3, a bath
when she suffered a heart attack and fell on top of him. The bodies were
found days later.


March 17, 2004 -- A 3-year-old Queens boy was found dead yesterday
under the body of his obese mom - who suffered a heart attack, fell to
the floor and came crashing down on the tot, cops said yesterday.

Roslyn Hines, 51, of Seagirt Boulevard in Far Rockaway, appeared to
have been taking her adopted son Robbie for a bath when she was stricken
by the massive coronary, cops said.

The heart attack sent the woman - who weighed about 220 pounds -
toppling onto the boy near the bathtub.

Cops believe the woman lay there for a day or two on the boy.

The victims were found when police were called by building management,
after neighbors had not seen Hines for several days and noticed packages
gathering outside her front door.

"Robbie was deeply loved," neighbor Valjon Furr, 55, said.

"He was a sweet kid - she loved that baby to bits."

"She just lost my brother," added Hines' distraught oldest son, Alfred,
34.

"How could little Robbie die? Little Robbie was perfectly healthy."

Neighbors said Hines lived on public assistance and had a troubled life.

She had recently gone through a messy divorce. One of her three natural
children had died at age 18 several years ago. A daughter who lived with
her is emotionally disturbed. And Alfred said he is homeless.

Hines also suffered serious health problems, including lupus and
asthma, and had suffered a stroke, relatives and friends said.

"She had problems with her ankles and problems breathing," said
neighbor Jeffrey Taylor, 48. "But she never let them get her down.

"She had a rough life. But you couldn't tell it from talking to her."

Hines' positive outlook was obvious when she adopted Robbie.

"She got him when he was a week old," Furr said. "We'd kid around that
he would be the next president because he was born on Presidents Day."

The day the adoption was finalized was a joyous one for Hines.

"She came to my door yelling, 'He's mine!' " said neighbor Taylor.

"Thrilled isn't even the word for it. Me and her were dancing out here
in the hallway, jumping for joy. Her whole life was children."

Hines and Robbie were found at 10:36 a.m. yesterday in a basement
apartment of the Wavecrest Gardens complex.

Officials didn't know if Robbie died from the force of his mom's fall,
or if he was smothered.

Officials also could not say if Hines' 25-year-old daughter, whom cops
described as autistic, was home and knew about what happened to her
mother and brother.

Hines' oldest son said he last saw his mother on Saturday, but returned
to the home on Sunday and Monday and did not get an answer when he
knocked at the door.

"Robbie was the light of her life," he said.


Home
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- Don

She may have been a perfectly fine woman, but how was she allowd to adopt
with all those problems?

Good to see you, Donaldo.

Marley


"Don" <gimme@a~break.net> wrote in message
news:105h129lhueghc9@corp.supernews.com... <http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/21080.htm> BATH TURNS TRAGIC By MURRAY WEISS and JENNIFER FERMINO LOVE LOST: Roslyn Hines of Queens was about to give Robbie, 3, a bath when she suffered a heart attack and fell on top of him. The bodies were found days later. March 17, 2004 -- A 3-year-old Queens boy was found dead yesterday under the body of his obese mom - who suffered a heart attack, fell to the floor and came crashing down on the tot, cops said yesterday. Roslyn Hines, 51, of Seagirt Boulevard in Far Rockaway, appeared to have been taking her adopted son Robbie for a bath when she was stricken by the massive coronary, cops said. The heart attack sent the woman - who weighed about 220 pounds - toppling onto the boy near the bathtub. Cops believe the woman lay there for a day or two on the boy. The victims were found when police were called by building management, after neighbors had not seen Hines for several days and noticed packages gathering outside her front door. "Robbie was deeply loved," neighbor Valjon Furr, 55, said. "He was a sweet kid - she loved that baby to bits." "She just lost my brother," added Hines' distraught oldest son, Alfred, 34. "How could little Robbie die? Little Robbie was perfectly healthy." Neighbors said Hines lived on public assistance and had a troubled life. She had recently gone through a messy divorce. One of her three natural children had died at age 18 several years ago. A daughter who lived with her is emotionally disturbed. And Alfred said he is homeless. Hines also suffered serious health problems, including lupus and asthma, and had suffered a stroke, relatives and friends said. "She had problems with her ankles and problems breathing," said neighbor Jeffrey Taylor, 48. "But she never let them get her down. "She had a rough life. But you couldn't tell it from talking to her." Hines' positive outlook was obvious when she adopted Robbie. "She got him when he was a week old," Furr said. "We'd kid around that he would be the next president because he was born on Presidents Day." The day the adoption was finalized was a joyous one for Hines. "She came to my door yelling, 'He's mine!' " said neighbor Taylor. "Thrilled isn't even the word for it. Me and her were dancing out here in the hallway, jumping for joy. Her whole life was children." Hines and Robbie were found at 10:36 a.m. yesterday in a basement apartment of the Wavecrest Gardens complex. Officials didn't know if Robbie died from the force of his mom's fall, or if he was smothered. Officials also could not say if Hines' 25-year-old daughter, whom cops described as autistic, was home and knew about what happened to her mother and brother. Hines' oldest son said he last saw his mother on Saturday, but returned to the home on Sunday and Monday and did not get an answer when he knocked at the door. "Robbie was the light of her life," he said. Home NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc. - Don

In any normal country, she would have failed in the adoption process on at
least half a dozen counts, long before she ever got anywhere near obtaining
custody of a child.

Robin



in article XC%5c.26196$Pa7.672138@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley
Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 17/3/04 5:09 pm:
She may have been a perfectly fine woman, but how was she allowd to adopt with all those problems? Good to see you, Donaldo. Marley "Don" <gimme@a~break.net> wrote in message news:105h129lhueghc9@corp.supernews.com...
<http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/21080.htm> BATH TURNS TRAGIC By MURRAY WEISS and JENNIFER FERMINO LOVE LOST: Roslyn Hines of Queens was about to give Robbie, 3, a bath when she suffered a heart attack and fell on top of him. The bodies were found days later. March 17, 2004 -- A 3-year-old Queens boy was found dead yesterday under the body of his obese mom - who suffered a heart attack, fell to the floor and came crashing down on the tot, cops said yesterday. Roslyn Hines, 51, of Seagirt Boulevard in Far Rockaway, appeared to have been taking her adopted son Robbie for a bath when she was stricken by the massive coronary, cops said. The heart attack sent the woman - who weighed about 220 pounds - toppling onto the boy near the bathtub. Cops believe the woman lay there for a day or two on the boy. The victims were found when police were called by building management, after neighbors had not seen Hines for several days and noticed packages gathering outside her front door. "Robbie was deeply loved," neighbor Valjon Furr, 55, said. "He was a sweet kid - she loved that baby to bits." "She just lost my brother," added Hines' distraught oldest son, Alfred, 34. "How could little Robbie die? Little Robbie was perfectly healthy." Neighbors said Hines lived on public assistance and had a troubled life. She had recently gone through a messy divorce. One of her three natural children had died at age 18 several years ago. A daughter who lived with her is emotionally disturbed. And Alfred said he is homeless. Hines also suffered serious health problems, including lupus and asthma, and had suffered a stroke, relatives and friends said. "She had problems with her ankles and problems breathing," said neighbor Jeffrey Taylor, 48. "But she never let them get her down. "She had a rough life. But you couldn't tell it from talking to her." Hines' positive outlook was obvious when she adopted Robbie. "She got him when he was a week old," Furr said. "We'd kid around that he would be the next president because he was born on Presidents Day." The day the adoption was finalized was a joyous one for Hines. "She came to my door yelling, 'He's mine!' " said neighbor Taylor. "Thrilled isn't even the word for it. Me and her were dancing out here in the hallway, jumping for joy. Her whole life was children." Hines and Robbie were found at 10:36 a.m. yesterday in a basement apartment of the Wavecrest Gardens complex. Officials didn't know if Robbie died from the force of his mom's fall, or if he was smothered. Officials also could not say if Hines' 25-year-old daughter, whom cops described as autistic, was home and knew about what happened to her mother and brother. Hines' oldest son said he last saw his mother on Saturday, but returned to the home on Sunday and Monday and did not get an answer when he knocked at the door. "Robbie was the light of her life," he said. Home NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc. - Don

>Subject: Fat People Shouldn't Adopt!From: Don gimme@a~break.netDate: 3/17/04 9:02 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <105h129lhueghc9@corp.supernews.com

Top Posting:

Hi Don. :)

How tragic. It is quite possible that she was not fat when she adopted three
years ago, (?) but it would not surprise me that all of her combined risks and
genetics, (noted health problems), might have, very well, contributed to her
fatal heart attack.

I'm surprised that people in in their late forties and fifties, aren't
required, though, to have extensive health physicals as a requirement to pass
their home studies. Maybe they do? Anyone know?

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<http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/21080.htm> BATH TURNS TRAGIC By MURRAY WEISS and JENNIFER FERMINO LOVE LOST: Roslyn Hines of Queens was about to give Robbie, 3, a bathwhen she suffered a heart attack and fell on top of him. The bodies werefound days later.March 17, 2004 -- A 3-year-old Queens boy was found dead yesterdayunder the body of his obese mom - who suffered a heart attack, fell tothe floor and came crashing down on the tot, cops said yesterday. Roslyn Hines, 51, of Seagirt Boulevard in Far Rockaway, appeared tohave been taking her adopted son Robbie for a bath when she was strickenby the massive coronary, cops said. The heart attack sent the woman - who weighed about 220 pounds -toppling onto the boy near the bathtub. Cops believe the woman lay there for a day or two on the boy. The victims were found when police were called by building management,after neighbors had not seen Hines for several days and noticed packagesgathering outside her front door. "Robbie was deeply loved," neighbor Valjon Furr, 55, said. "He was a sweet kid - she loved that baby to bits." "She just lost my brother," added Hines' distraught oldest son, Alfred,34. "How could little Robbie die? Little Robbie was perfectly healthy." Neighbors said Hines lived on public assistance and had a troubled life. She had recently gone through a messy divorce. One of her three naturalchildren had died at age 18 several years ago. A daughter who lived withher is emotionally disturbed. And Alfred said he is homeless. Hines also suffered serious health problems, including lupus andasthma, and had suffered a stroke, relatives and friends said. "She had problems with her ankles and problems breathing," saidneighbor Jeffrey Taylor, 48. "But she never let them get her down. "She had a rough life. But you couldn't tell it from talking to her." Hines' positive outlook was obvious when she adopted Robbie. "She got him when he was a week old," Furr said. "We'd kid around thathe would be the next president because he was born on Presidents Day." The day the adoption was finalized was a joyous one for Hines. "She came to my door yelling, 'He's mine!' " said neighbor Taylor. "Thrilled isn't even the word for it. Me and her were dancing out herein the hallway, jumping for joy. Her whole life was children." Hines and Robbie were found at 10:36 a.m. yesterday in a basementapartment of the Wavecrest Gardens complex. Officials didn't know if Robbie died from the force of his mom's fall,or if he was smothered. Officials also could not say if Hines' 25-year-old daughter, whom copsdescribed as autistic, was home and knew about what happened to hermother and brother. Hines' oldest son said he last saw his mother on Saturday, but returnedto the home on Sunday and Monday and did not get an answer when heknocked at the door. "Robbie was the light of her life," he said. Home NEW YORK POST is a registered trademark of NYP Holdings, Inc.- Don




Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message
news:20040317191829.25147.00001429@mb-m07.aol.com...Subject: Fat People Shouldn't Adopt!From: Don gimme@a~break.netDate: 3/17/04 9:02 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <105h129lhueghc9@corp.supernews.com Top Posting: Hi Don. :) How tragic. It is quite possible that she was not fat when she adopted
three years ago, (?) but it would not surprise me that all of her combined risks
and genetics, (noted health problems), might have, very well, contributed to
her fatal heart attack. I'm surprised that people in in their late forties and fifties, aren't required, though, to have extensive health physicals as a requirement to
pass their home studies. Maybe they do? Anyone know?

Can't just make the special circumstances for fat or old people. This story
is sad but it could happen to other people, fat or not. Just imagine this
for a second............a diabetic mother is in the middle of bathing her
infant foster child when she suddenly has a sugar attack and is left
unconscious on the floor. The baby drowns before anyone comes around and
find
the mother passed out on the floor dead or near death. Would this lead to
someone arguing that diabetics shouldn't be parents? Should health be a
qualification for all homestudies? Maybe, maybe not, I am not about to
argue. I am just saying that weight is not the only special circumstance
out there.