Looks like Melinda finally found someone to publish a letter to the editor.
The thing is a novel, so it won't all fit here.

http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.html

US adoption fraud
03/13/2004 16:02
The United States Government, through all three branches of government, has
managed to legalize fraudulent and coercive adoption practices, in order to
provide wealthier families with children, by violating the rights of parents
and grandparents to raise the children.
For couples who wait until later in life to try to have children, in order to
establish themselves in high paying careers, infertility often becomes a
problem, and these wealthy individuals feel entitled to the children of poorer
parents. The USA government agrees with them. While these practices take
place all over the USA, I am most familiar with abuses in the state of Kansas,
and will provide information that primarily relates to that state.




-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

How bizarre--especially since Russia is the adoption crime capital of the
world. I'd comment something in Russian, but I can't transliterate into
Latin.

Marley


"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040314095608.20524.00001566@mb-m28.aol.com... Looks like Melinda finally found someone to publish a letter to the
editor. The thing is a novel, so it won't all fit here. http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.html US adoption fraud 03/13/2004 16:02 The United States Government, through all three branches of government,
has managed to legalize fraudulent and coercive adoption practices, in order
to provide wealthier families with children, by violating the rights of
parents and grandparents to raise the children. For couples who wait until later in life to try to have children, in order
to establish themselves in high paying careers, infertility often becomes a problem, and these wealthy individuals feel entitled to the children of
poorer parents. The USA government agrees with them. While these practices take place all over the USA, I am most familiar with abuses in the state of
Kansas, and will provide information that primarily relates to that state. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/14/04 8:04 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <cw_4c.13252$Pa7.341856@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>How bizarre--especially since Russia is the adoption crime capital of theworld. I'd comment something in Russian, but I can't transliterate intoLatin.Marley

I'm kind of amazed that they didn't edit out all of her spelling errors. LOL


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040314102539.20632.00001503@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/14/04 8:04 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <cw_4c.13252$Pa7.341856@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>How bizarre--especially since Russia is the adoption crime capital of theworld. I'd comment something in Russian, but I can't transliterate intoLatin.Marley I'm kind of amazed that they didn't edit out all of her spelling errors.
LOL

I didn't notice . It was so long. You mean they didn't?

Marley ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/14/04 9:38 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <AU%4c.13528$Pa7.352837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20040314102539.20632.00001503@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/14/04 8:04 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <cw_4c.13252$Pa7.341856@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>How bizarre--especially since Russia is the adoption crime capital of theworld. I'd comment something in Russian, but I can't transliterate intoLatin.Marley I'm kind of amazed that they didn't edit out all of her spelling errors.LOLI didn't notice . It was so long. You mean they didn't?Marley

It was atrocious. Just like most of her postings.


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040314114630.10267.00001418@mb-m03.aol.com...Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/14/04 9:38 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <AU%4c.13528$Pa7.352837@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20040314102539.20632.00001503@mb-m28.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption Fraud >From: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net >Date: 3/14/04 8:04 AM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id:
<cw_4c.13252$Pa7.341856@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> > >How bizarre--especially since Russia is the adoption crime capital of
the >world. I'd comment something in Russian, but I can't transliterate
into >Latin. > >Marley I'm kind of amazed that they didn't edit out all of her spelling
errors.LOLI didn't notice . It was so long. You mean they didn't?Marley It was atrocious. Just like most of her postings.

It's probably not in the Russian language version then. What's really
bizarre is that Pravda is now considered an indie paper and sells Pravda
gear. I've got a TASS/ITAR t-shirt from the Reagan-Gorby summit.

Pravda picks up stuff from other sources as well. I don't now what
determines it. It's been publishing ,without permission, Justin Raimondo's
commentaries from www.antiwar.com to the delight of the NR/Frum crowd and
has pissed off Justin. to no end.

Marley ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

>Subject: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 3/14/04 6:56 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <20040314095608.20524.00001566@mb-m28.aol.com>Looks like Melinda finally found someone to publish a letter to the editor.The thing is a novel, so it won't all fit here.http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.htmlUS adoption fraud03/13/2004 16:02The United States Government, through all three branches of government, hasmanaged to legalize fraudulent and coercive adoption practices, in order toprovide wealthier families with children, by violating the rights of parentsand grandparents to raise the children.For couples who wait until later in life to try to have children, in order toestablish themselves in high paying careers, infertility often becomes aproblem, and these wealthy individuals feel entitled to the children ofpoorerparents. The USA government agrees with them. While these practices takeplace all over the USA, I am most familiar with abuses in the state ofKansas,and will provide information that primarily relates to that state.-------------------------

Well pin a star on the loon. She finally got her five minutes of fame.


Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

>Subject: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 3/14/04 9:56 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <20040314095608.20524.00001566@mb-m28.aol.com>Looks like Melinda finally found someone to publish a letterto the editor. The thing is a novel, so it won't all fit here.http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.html

<"It was just two weeks before her due date when she went to see a new doctor,
unaware that the receptionist in that doctor"s office was on a mission to find
a baby for her friend as soon as possible.">

Nowhere in this rambling, incoherent 5,000+ word piece of fiction does
Melinda inform the reader that this was a crisis pregnancy, undiscovered until
well into the third trimester.

Nowhere does she mention that she called adoption agencies without her
daughter's consent within hours of learning she was going to be a grandmother.

Nowhere does she mention the fact that she informed the "new doctor" of her
daughter's intent to relinquish.

<"Prior to that day, Angela had never even considered the adoption of her
child, but agreed to meet with the receptionist"s friend for supper after her
appointment.">

"Angela" may have never even considered the adoption of her child, but
Angela's mother, Melinda, forgets to mention that she had already made other
plans.

<"Pressure was applied to meet again the next evening with the potential
adoptive couple"s lawyer.'>

Pressure from whom, Melinda? Pressure from whom?

Dad

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote "LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote I'm kind of amazed that they didn't edit out all of her spelling errors. LOL I didn't notice . It was so long. You mean they didn't?

It doesn't look as though there's been *any* editing. The girl is
referred to as Angela for the most part, but as Tarin in two places. I
imagine a reader who is unfamiliar with the story might be confused.

Rupa

> lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 3/14/2004 9:56 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <20040314095608.20524.00001566@mb-m28.aol.com>Looks like Melinda finally found someone to publish a letter to the editor.The thing is a novel, so it won't all fit here.

My favorite part is when she says how "angela" switched doctors two weeks
before delivery date. What a jerk.
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.htmlUS adoption fraud03/13/2004 16:02The United States Government, through all three branches of government, hasmanaged to legalize fraudulent and coercive adoption practices, in order toprovide wealthier families with children, by violating the rights of parentsand grandparents to raise the children.For couples who wait until later in life to try to have children, in order toestablish themselves in high paying careers, infertility often becomes aproblem, and these wealthy individuals feel entitled to the children ofpoorerparents. The USA government agrees with them. While these practices takeplace all over the USA, I am most familiar with abuses in the state ofKansas,and will provide information that primarily relates to that state.-------------------------A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friendwillbe sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"-----Unknown


kj

> http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.html

They got ahold of the report I was asked to write for the special 1503
committee of the United nations two years ago. THe alterations were
not approved though. It's public record, so I guess they can print
what they want, but I don't see why they changed some names and not
others. I wasn't aware that they were printing it, but it doesn't
matter. I just hope they didn't chop it too drastically as to change
it's content. The original report was ten pages long, the length
that was recommended to me by the assistant to Dr. Jual Miguel Petit,
special rapporteur on the sale of children.

> Nowhere does she mention the fact that she informed the "new doctor" of her daughter's intent to relinquish.

I actually never spoke to Tarin's doctor until long long later. Get
your story straight for once.
"Angela" may have never even considered the adoption of her child, but Angela's mother, Melinda, forgets to mention that she had already made other plans.

I had called for information. Nothing more. They kept calling me
back, making plans for her, without ever consulting her. I only
talked to that agency for a day, before telling them to go to hell, as
it only took them that long to make threats about sueing us, if Tarin
didn't give them her baby, though they had never even spoken to her.
(their lawyer was Alan Hazlett, just in case anyone is interested,
though I never actually spoke to him)



this is one of the e-mail correspondences concerning when it was first
decided to handle the matter through the special committee. It was a
short time later that I was asked to write the report for the
committee. It was a very rush deal. I was given only a few days to
research and write a ten page report to introduce the matter to the
special committee.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Philpot [mailto:jphilpot.hchr@unog.ch]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:25 AM
To: MHJTW@nckcn.com
Subject: RE: USA- adoption



Dear Melinda,

Thanks for your message. Given that we have now received many cases
alleging
adoption irregularities in the US, and some of these allege violations
which
occurred before the creation of the mandate of the Special Rapporteur
(in 1990),
he has decided that the best course of action would be to give all the
information to the 1503 Committee. I have attached a draft of the
standard
letter which the secretariat of the 1503 Committee sends to individual
petitioners. This would mean that, if the Committee agrees that the
cases fall
within their mandate, they would present these to the Government and
ask for
information as to the measures being taken to address the pattern of
abuse.
However, because this procedure is confidential, no feedback is given
to the
individuals concerned.

The time scale for all this is as follows: All material to be
presented to the
Committee must be submitted by May, (so all cases which I receive in
the next 3
months will also be included) the Committee will then meet in August
to decide
which situations they will take up, and then final decisions
concerning each
case are made the following April.

(See attached file: 1503eng2.doc)

Best wishes,
Jennifer

"Melinda Walmsley" <mhjtw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eb5515c9.0403151918.579f530@posting.google.co m... http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.html They got ahold of the report I was asked to write for the special 1503 committee of the United nations two years ago. THe alterations were not approved though. It's public record, so I guess they can print what they want, but I don't see why they changed some names and not others. I wasn't aware that they were printing it, but it doesn't matter. I just hope they didn't chop it too drastically as to change it's content. The original report was ten pages long, the length that was recommended to me by the assistant to Dr. Jual Miguel Petit, special rapporteur on the sale of children.

Pravada is uip to it's old tricks again, then.

Marley

On 15 Mar 2004 19:55:58 -0800, mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley)
wrote:
Nowhere does she mention the fact that she informed the "new doctor" of her daughter's intent to relinquish.I actually never spoke to Tarin's doctor until long long later. Getyour story straight for once. "Angela" may have never even considered the adoption of her child, but Angela's mother, Melinda, forgets to mention that she had already made other plans.I had called for information. Nothing more. They kept calling meback, making plans for her, without ever consulting her. I onlytalked to that agency for a day, before telling them to go to hell, asit only took them that long to make threats about sueing us, if Tarindidn't give them her baby, though they had never even spoken to her.

They don't want to hear that Melinda..

America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its
citizens..


Jackie


(their lawyer was Alan Hazlett, just in case anyone is interested,though I never actually spoke to him)

this is one of the e-mail correspondences concerning when it was firstdecided to handle the matter through the special committee. It was ashort time later that I was asked to write the report for thecommittee. It was a very rush deal. I was given only a few days toresearch and write a ten page report to introduce the matter to thespecial committee.-----Original Message-----From: Jennifer Philpot [mailto:jphilpot.hchr@unog.ch]Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:25 AMTo: MHJTW@nckcn.comSubject: RE: USA- adoptionDear Melinda,Thanks for your message. Given that we have now received many casesallegingadoption irregularities in the US, and some of these allege violationswhichoccurred before the creation of the mandate of the Special Rapporteur(in 1990),he has decided that the best course of action would be to give all theinformation to the 1503 Committee. I have attached a draft of thestandardletter which the secretariat of the 1503 Committee sends to individualpetitioners. This would mean that, if the Committee agrees that thecases fallwithin their mandate, they would present these to the Government andask forinformation as to the measures being taken to address the pattern ofabuse.However, because this procedure is confidential, no feedback is givento theindividuals concerned.The time scale for all this is as follows: All material to bepresented to theCommittee must be submitted by May, (so all cases which I receive inthe next 3months will also be included) the Committee will then meet in Augustto decidewhich situations they will take up, and then final decisionsconcerning eachcase are made the following April.(See attached file: 1503eng2.doc)Best wishes,Jennifer

"Jackie" <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message
news:1bbf50t5hdrncs30bov2rhhs0jv3chd1a8@4ax.com... On 15 Mar 2004 19:55:58 -0800, mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley) wrote: Nowhere does she mention the fact that she informed the "new doctor"
of her daughter's intent to relinquish.I actually never spoke to Tarin's doctor until long long later. Getyour story straight for once. "Angela" may have never even considered the adoption of her child,
but Angela's mother, Melinda, forgets to mention that she had already made
other plans.I had called for information. Nothing more. They kept calling meback, making plans for her, without ever consulting her. I onlytalked to that agency for a day, before telling them to go to hell, asit only took them that long to make threats about sueing us, if Tarindidn't give them her baby, though they had never even spoken to her. They don't want to hear that Melinda.. America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its citizens.. Jackie

Actually, it's Melinda nobody wants to hear. Nobody disputes the claims in
the case, just revisionist history. I have a tape of Tarin on the TV news
and she's very compelling.

Marley

In article <eb5515c9.0403151918.579f530@posting.google.com>,
mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley) wrote:
http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/386/12264_.html


I was wondering why Pravda printed your opus, but then I figured it out:

They were laughing their asses off.


"Boris, look at this letter from United States."
"Natasha, don't tell me they finally got moose and squirrel."
"No darlink, something REALLY important."
[reads Melinda's 'letter']
"Natasha, this is worse than Central Committee communique."
"Yes Boris, worse English grammar and spelling than I have ever seen."
"Well darlink, what shall we do?"
"Why, publish in Pravda of course. Is good for laugh at oh-so-superior
Americans."






steve

>America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of itscitizens..Jackie


Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. In the
US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it part of
the culture in your land, Jackie?


P2P

palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>...America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of itscitizens..Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it part of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2P

I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I
recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous
talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help
you all.

Di

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.c om... palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message
news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>...America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of itscitizens..Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada.
In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it
part of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2P I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help you all. Di

Please please please watch Maury. Today he had a show on primordial dwarf
children, but you can't miss Who's the Daddie. Actually, it's impossible to
miss since they do those shows several times a week. The finest culture
America has to offer.

Marley

In article <20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>,
palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) writes:
America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of itscitizens..JackieMaybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. IntheUS seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue.

Nor should it be considered a vice, IMO. We pay for the privilege of having
some support system in place, albeit a fragmented and often inadequate system.
Social security, unemployment compensation and medicare are just a few of the
programs we fund directly.

The fact is that every society has members who can't make their own way, for
one reason or another, just as every society has those who won't make their own
way. How we treat the former is a fair measure of the worth of our culture.

J.
Is it partofthe culture in your land, Jackie?P2P







Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

In article <vT86c.28090$Pa7.722625@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Marley
Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> writes:
"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in messagenews:9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.g oogle.com... palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in messagenews:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its >citizens.. > > >Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada.In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is itpart of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2P I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help you all. DiPlease please please watch Maury. Today he had a show on primordial dwarfchildren, but you can't miss Who's the Daddie. Actually, it's impossible tomiss since they do those shows several times a week. The finest cultureAmerica has to offer.

Outside of a test tube.

J.
Marley





Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/17/04 10:37 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.com>palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in messagenews:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>...America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of itscitizens..Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. Inthe US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it partof the culture in your land, Jackie? P2PI wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. Irecently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numeroustalk back shows.

Which ones? Rikki Lake? Springer? CNN? The hottest babes can be found on
Fox. Lori can Dhue me anytime she wants.

Since you're forming your opinion of the US based on what you see on cable
television, may I suggest tuning into one of Maury's "Who's Your Daddy?"
paternity shows. I swear, some of those folks are a walking advertisement for
infant adoption, don'tcha think : )
If they represent your American culture then God helpyou all.

Thank you, Mick Dundee.

Dad

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/17/04 7:41 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <vT86c.28090$Pa7.722625@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in messagenews:9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.g oogle.com... palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in messagenews:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its >citizens.. > > >Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada.In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is itpart of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2P I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help you all. DiPlease please please watch Maury. Today he had a show on primordial dwarfchildren, but you can't miss Who's the Daddie. Actually, it's impossible tomiss since they do those shows several times a week.

The finest cultureAmerica has to offer.Marley

The 'culture' couldn't be any worse or less entertaining than this ng.'s
continuing sad, soap opera. LOL!






Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

>I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P.>>

But I am proud, Di. Very, very proud to be an American. I know it isn't
fashionable to say so. Don't care.


P2P

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<vT86c.28090$Pa7.722625@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.c om... palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its >citizens.. > > >Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it part of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2P I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help you all. Di Please please please watch Maury. Today he had a show on primordial dwarf children, but you can't miss Who's the Daddie. Actually, it's impossible to miss since they do those shows several times a week. The finest culture America has to offer. Marley

I've seen Maury a few times. Yeah it really is a case of spot the
father - eeek! I'm waiting with bated breath to find out who daddy is
to one child whose mother has already had ten men paternity tested and
we still can't pin daddy down. And Jenny Jones, and Queen Latifah, and
Springer and Ricki Lake and and and ad nauseum - their participants
are all nuts, including the audiences. I've never come across a
nation of people who bawl so much. All the parents are whingy whiny
weepy babies, while the kids all need a good clip over the ear and
need their mouths washed out with soap. The guest psychologists are as
stoopid as the participants they judge. How can you stand it? It's
mind boggling. Maybe it's the result of all that generational
inbreeding that goes in over there.

Di

jmdjmh@aol.compostible (J.) wrote in message news:<20040317233831.21642.00005019@mb-m01.aol.com>... In article <20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>, palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) writes:America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of itscitizens..JackieMaybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. IntheUS seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Nor should it be considered a vice, IMO. We pay for the privilege of having some support system in place, albeit a fragmented and often inadequate system. Social security, unemployment compensation and medicare are just a few of the programs we fund directly. The fact is that every society has members who can't make their own way, for one reason or another, just as every society has those who won't make their own way. How we treat the former is a fair measure of the worth of our culture. J.

Well said, J. As I see it what's needed as a start is a total
overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Employees need a living wage
ie a decent weekly wage for a decent days work. No-one should have to
work three jobs just to make ends meet. They are the working poor.
What kind of quality of life is that?

Di

Is it partofthe culture in your land, Jackie?P2P Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption Fraud
From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)
Date: 3/18/04 1:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <9a095db9.0403181313.36d67c2a@posting.google.com>

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<vT86c.28090$Pa7.722625@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.c om... palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its >citizens.. > > >Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it part of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2P I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help you all. Di Please please please watch Maury. Today he had a show on primordial dwarf children, but you can't miss Who's the Daddie. Actually, it's impossible to miss since they do those shows several times a week. The finest culture America has to offer. Marley

(snip 10 second observations)

I've never come across a
nation of people who bawl so much.>

Your irony.




Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote in message news:<20040318011312.18277.00001648@mb-m06.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/17/04 10:37 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.com>palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in messagenews:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its >citizens.. > > >Jackie Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. In the US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it part of the culture in your land, Jackie? P2PI wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. Irecently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numeroustalk back shows. Which ones? Rikki Lake? Springer? CNN? The hottest babes can be found on Fox. Lori can Dhue me anytime she wants.
All of them.

Since you're forming your opinion of the US based on what you see on cable television, may I suggest tuning into one of Maury's "Who's Your Daddy?" paternity shows. I swear, some of those folks are a walking advertisement for infant adoption, don'tcha think : )
The problem with that is the adoptive parents on these shows are just as nuts.
If they represent your American culture then God helpyou all. Thank you, Mick Dundee.
Mick Dundee was just a movie. No-one carries knifes that big:-)

Dad

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/18/04 1:21 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>jmdjmh@aol.compostible (J.) wrote in messagenews:<20040317233831.21642.00005019@mb-m01.aol.com>... In article <20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>, palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) writes:>America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its>citizens..>>>JackieMaybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. IntheUS seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Nor should it be considered a vice, IMO. We pay for the privilege ofhaving some support system in place, albeit a fragmented and often inadequatesystem. Social security, unemployment compensation and medicare are just a few ofthe programs we fund directly. The fact is that every society has members who can't make their own way,for one reason or another, just as every society has those who won't make theirown way. How we treat the former is a fair measure of the worth of ourculture. J.Well said, J. As I see it what's needed as a start is a totaloverhaul of the distribution of wealth. Employees need a living wageie a decent weekly wage for a decent days work. No-one should have towork three jobs just to make ends meet. They are the working poor.What kind of quality of life is that?Di

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your
country."

Does your country have all the things in place that J. has mentioned above?

Or is this just another inane, opportune moment for you to showcase your
incessant whine?




Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403181313.36d67c2a@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<vT86c.28090$Pa7.722625@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.c om... palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... > >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its > >citizens.. > > > > > >Jackie > > > Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to
Canada. In the > US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is
it part of > the culture in your land, Jackie? > > > P2P I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous talk back shows. If they represent your American culture then God help you all. Di Please please please watch Maury. Today he had a show on primordial
dwarf children, but you can't miss Who's the Daddie. Actually, it's
impossible to miss since they do those shows several times a week. The finest culture America has to offer. Marley I've seen Maury a few times. Yeah it really is a case of spot the father - eeek! I'm waiting with bated breath to find out who daddy is to one child whose mother has already had ten men paternity tested and we still can't pin daddy down. And Jenny Jones, and Queen Latifah, and Springer and Ricki Lake and and and ad nauseum - their participants are all nuts, including the audiences. I've never come across a nation of people who bawl so much. All the parents are whingy whiny weepy babies, while the kids all need a good clip over the ear and need their mouths washed out with soap. The guest psychologists are as stoopid as the participants they judge. How can you stand it? It's mind boggling. Maybe it's the result of all that generational inbreeding that goes in over there. Di

I'm so glad that you've gotten in the swing of US culture . This is what the
Iraq war is really about. Opening up markets No doubt Maury will soon show
up on middleeast television. (A friend of mine lived in the Emirites for
several years and got to watch re-runs of Nanny and the Professor.)

I like Queen and a drag king friend of mine was on Ricki's show twice. As
for Jerry--he's moved back to Ohio. Yea!
Anyway, today was an I've Got a Secret Show. The best were two lovely
couples, Jeremy and Erma and Christy and "64": (pronounced six four, not
sixty-four.) Jeremy and 64 were best friends, So first Jeremy comes out
and tells Irma that he's knocked up Christy, 64;s girlfriend. As you can
imagine, Irma is not happy--especially since she's got an 8-month old with
him. Then poor 64 comes out and gets the news. Boy, he isn't happy AT ALL.
Jeremy is about as smart as an end table. He sits there smiling and
wondering why everybody is so pissed off. Then there was this other
couple. They haven't gotten around to getting married yet though the have 4
kids in 5 years. The guy has been doing a friend of hers for 1 1/2 years,
despite the fact that his secret is giving him migraines and stomach cramps.
Go figure.

Take heart, though, Di. Remember that Maury is an adoptive father. I
simply cannot understand why Conne Chung stays married to him.

Marley

Di knows how to fix all US problems:
As I see it what's needed as a start is a totaloverhaul of the distribution of wealth. >>

So, like, everyone throw everything they have into a big pot and government
appointed dividers will divvy it all up?

Yeah. That should work.


P2P

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:39:20 GMT, "Marley Greiner"
<maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Actually, it's Melinda nobody wants to hear. Nobody disputes the claims inthe case, just revisionist history. I have a tape of Tarin on the TV newsand she's very compelling.Marley

I hope she keeps speaking out..


Jackie

In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>,
patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:
As I see it what's needed as a start is a total overhaul of the distribution of wealth.


Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall
we?




steve

Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: As I see it what's needed as a start is a total overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we?
Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's
they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger
piece of the pie?











steve

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om... Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message
news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: As I see it what's needed as a start is a total overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we? Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger piece of the pie?

Property is theft.

Marley steve

in article aIF6c.1428$PY1.28921@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley
Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:01 pm:
"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om... Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:> As I see it what's needed as a start is a total> overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we? Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger piece of the pie?


Property is theft. Marley

All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Robin

"Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message
news:BC80DB2C.384DD%karakoram@postadoption.info... in article aIF6c.1428$PY1.28921@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:01 pm: "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om... Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>...> In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>,> patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:>>> As I see it what's needed as a start is a total>> overhaul of the distribution of wealth.>>> Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse,
shall> we?>> Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger piece of the pie? Property is theft. Marley All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Robin

And how could I forget: eat the rich!

Se why I LOVE being a Republican?

Marley

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/19/04 4:16 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.com>Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in messagenews:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: As I see it what's needed as a start is a total overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we?Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's*they* who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a biggerpiece of the pie?

Then *they* should go and invest their own money, assume all the risk, and get
their own businesses. God, you whine about the most ridiculous things.....




Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

in article ZkG6c.1542$PY1.32938@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley
Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:45 pm:
"Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message news:BC80DB2C.384DD%karakoram@postadoption.info... in article aIF6c.1428$PY1.28921@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:01 pm: "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om...> Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>...>> In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>,>> patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:>>>>> As I see it what's needed as a start is a total>>> overhaul of the distribution of wealth.>>>>>> Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall>> we?>>>>> Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's> they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger> piece of the pie? Property is theft. Marley All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Robin
And how could I forget: eat the rich!

Eat the rich?


Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' sarcastically suggested anthropophagy
as a solution to the Irish famine.

"A young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious,
nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled,
and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout."

And I suppose it could have been an alternative to adoption in past ages.
But I fear the fully grown 'rich' might be a bit tough and stringy. I'm not
too sure I'd fancy fricasseed Getty or Gates.


Robin

"Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message
news:BC80FCD8.3852F%karakoram@postadoption.info... in article ZkG6c.1542$PY1.32938@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:45 pm: "Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message news:BC80DB2C.384DD%karakoram@postadoption.info... in article aIF6c.1428$PY1.28921@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:01 pm:>> "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message> news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om...>> Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message> news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>...>>> In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>,>>> patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:>>>>>>> As I see it what's needed as a start is a total>>>> overhaul of the distribution of wealth.>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall>>> we?>>>>>>>> Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall,
it's>> they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger>> piece of the pie?> Property is theft.>> Marley All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Robin And how could I forget: eat the rich! Eat the rich?

A fine old anarchist sentiment. I've got a great t-shirt from an
anarca-feminist collective in Chicago with a woman with a fork chasing a
little rich dudes and dudetts into a frying pan. Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' sarcastically suggested anthropophagy as a solution to the Irish famine. "A young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled, and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a
ragout."

The dump fans are obviously vegetarians. And I suppose it could have been an alternative to adoption in past ages. But I fear the fully grown 'rich' might be a bit tough and stringy. I'm
not too sure I'd fancy fricasseed Getty or Gates.

How about a fricasseed Hilton? Robin

in article ZBJ6c.54245$H44.992493@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley
Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 9:28 pm:
"Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message news:BC80FCD8.3852F%karakoram@postadoption.info... in article ZkG6c.1542$PY1.32938@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:45 pm: "Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message news:BC80DB2C.384DD%karakoram@postadoption.info... in article aIF6c.1428$PY1.28921@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:01 pm:>>>> "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message>> news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om... Steve White>> <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message>> news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article>> <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>,>> patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:>>>>>>> As I see it what's needed as a start is a total overhaul of the>>>>> distribution of wealth.>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall>>>> we?>>>>>>>>>>> Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's>>> they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger>>> piece of the pie?>>>>>>> Property is theft.>>>> Marley>>> All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.>> Robin> And how could I forget: eat the rich! Eat the rich? A fine old anarchist sentiment. I've got a great t-shirt from an anarca-feminist collective in Chicago with a woman with a fork chasing a little rich dudes and dudetts into a frying pan. Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' sarcastically suggested anthropophagy as a solution to the Irish famine. "A young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled, and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout." The dump fans are obviously vegetarians. And I suppose it could have been an alternative to adoption in past ages. But I fear the fully grown 'rich' might be a bit tough and stringy. I'm not too sure I'd fancy fricasseed Getty or Gates. How about a fricasseed Hilton?

Umm...they do say the forearm of a young human female is just like chicken,
or was it pork? It might spare us the bothersome nuisance of Paris and
Nicky's antics in the dailies every bloody day.

Robin

In article <BC80FCD8.3852F%karakoram@postadoption.info>, Robin Harritt
<karakoram@postadoption.info> writes:
> Property is theft.>> Marley All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Robin And how could I forget: eat the rich!Eat the rich?Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' sarcastically suggested anthropophagyas a solution to the Irish famine."A young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious,nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled,and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout."And I suppose it could have been an alternative to adoption in past ages.But I fear the fully grown 'rich' might be a bit tough and stringy. I'm nottoo sure I'd fancy fricasseed Getty or Gates.

That's why god invented slow cookers.

J.
Robin






Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

In article <9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.com>,
patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:
Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: As I see it what's needed as a start is a total overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we? Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger piece of the pie?


You're sadly misinformed on economics. I'm not surprised.

Guess what happens when you raise the wages at the bottom to a "living
wage"? Oh, right, you wouldn't know, so I'll 'plain to you:

1) people with wages just above that demand a raise. After all, their
work was worth more in the economy before you raised the bottom. So
wages go up all over.

2) that jacks inflation, which raises prices, which means that wages buy
less. Your folks getting a "living wage" are again stuck with
insufficient buying power.

3) Employers who can't afford the higher wages start to do without
employees. Unemployment goes up.

4) At some point the economy tanks from all this, and nobody except the
rich has anything.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.




steve

meagan787@aol.comsthesun (Kathy) wrote in message news:<20040319143309.04968.00000026@mb-m12.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/19/04 4:16 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.com>Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in messagenews:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: > As I see it what's needed as a start is a total > overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we?Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's*they* who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a biggerpiece of the pie? Then *they* should go and invest their own money, assume all the risk, and get their own businesses. God, you whine about the most ridiculous things.....
Say Mrs Queen of Serfdom, are you a wealthy employer?

Di
Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

"Steve White" <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message
news:steve-25134A.21282419032004@netnews.comcast.net... In article <9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: > As I see it what's needed as a start is a total > overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we? Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger piece of the pie? You're sadly misinformed on economics. I'm not surprised. Guess what happens when you raise the wages at the bottom to a "living wage"? Oh, right, you wouldn't know, so I'll 'plain to you: 1) people with wages just above that demand a raise. After all, their work was worth more in the economy before you raised the bottom. So wages go up all over. 2) that jacks inflation, which raises prices, which means that wages buy less. Your folks getting a "living wage" are again stuck with insufficient buying power. 3) Employers who can't afford the higher wages start to do without employees. Unemployment goes up. 4) At some point the economy tanks from all this, and nobody except the rich has anything. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

If being poor is such a great experience, then the rich should try it
sometime.

Marley steve

Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-25134A.21282419032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>... In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>, patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: > As I see it what's needed as a start is a total > overhaul of the distribution of wealth. Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall we? Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall, it's they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger piece of the pie? You're sadly misinformed on economics. I'm not surprised. Guess what happens when you raise the wages at the bottom to a "living wage"? Oh, right, you wouldn't know, so I'll 'plain to you: 1) people with wages just above that demand a raise. After all, their work was worth more in the economy before you raised the bottom. So wages go up all over. 2) that jacks inflation, which raises prices, which means that wages buy less. Your folks getting a "living wage" are again stuck with insufficient buying power. 3) Employers who can't afford the higher wages start to do without employees. Unemployment goes up. 4) At some point the economy tanks from all this, and nobody except the rich has anything. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. steve

As an employer for the past 24 years I can tell you that there are
many factors that cause inflation. Keeping the working poor
impoverished is not one of them.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/target2point5/inflation/whatCausesInflation.htm

Di








Di

On: 3/18/04 4:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:

<snip>
I've seen Maury a few times. Yeah it really is a case of spot the father -eeek! I'm waiting with bated breath to find out who daddy is

<snip>

When you find out, will you then tell your son?

Gary
Prick, 1st Class
Birthfathers Brigade

>Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/20/04 2:03 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403200203.6f9cff18@posting.google.com>

(snip)
As an employer for the past 24 years

It's no great surprise to me to learn that you are in charge of the asylum.






Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in
baby trafficking". ~~121603
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html

>patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/18/2004 4:33 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403181333.c735157@posting.google.com>adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote in messagenews:<20040318011312.18277.00001648@mb-m06.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption FraudFrom: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/17/04 10:37 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.com>palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in messagenews:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>...> >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its> >citizens..> >> >> >Jackie>>> Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada.In the> US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is itpart of> the culture in your land, Jackie?>>> P2PI wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. Irecently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numeroustalk back shows. Which ones? Rikki Lake? Springer? CNN? The hottest babes can be foundon Fox. Lori can Dhue me anytime she wants.All of them. Since you're forming your opinion of the US based on what you see oncable television, may I suggest tuning into one of Maury's "Who's Your Daddy?" paternity shows. I swear, some of those folks are a walking advertisementfor infant adoption, don'tcha think : )The problem with that is the adoptive parents on these shows are just asnuts.

Anybody who goes on these shows is nuts! It's not a representation of American
culture. America is the land of SUV's and yuppies.

If they represent your American culture then God helpyou all. Thank you, Mick Dundee.Mick Dundee was just a movie. No-one carries knifes that big:-) Dad


kj

> "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 3/19/2004 4:28 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <ZBJ6c.54245$H44.992493@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in messagenews:BC80FCD8.3852F%karakoram@postadoption. info... in article ZkG6c.1542$PY1.32938@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, Marley Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:45 pm: "Robin Harritt" <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote in message news:BC80DB2C.384DD%karakoram@postadoption.info...> in article aIF6c.1428$PY1.28921@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,Marley> Greiner at maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net wrote on 19/3/04 5:01 pm:>>>>> "Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message>> news:9a095db9.0403190416.19d2bf5c@posting.google.c om...>>> Steve White <steve@spam.me.never> wrote in message>> news:<steve-036B64.00345019032004@netnews.comcast.net>...>>>> In article <9a095db9.0403181321.1cee1591@posting.google.com>,>>>> patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:>>>>>>>>> As I see it what's needed as a start is a total>>>>> overhaul of the distribution of wealth.>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Karl Marx. Let's just level everyone to the poorhouse, shall>>>> we?>>>>>>>>>>> Why not provide a living wage for the workers, instead? Afterall,it's>>> they who make their bosses wealthy so why shouldn't they get a bigger>>> piece of the pie?>>>>> Property is theft.>>>> Marley>> All of it, according to Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.>> Robin And how could I forget: eat the rich! Eat the rich?A fine old anarchist sentiment. I've got a great t-shirt from ananarca-feminist collective in Chicago with a woman with a fork chasing alittle rich dudes and dudetts into a frying pan.

Ah, but have you seen the movie? I think you'd like it.
Jonathan Swift's 'A Modest Proposal' sarcastically suggested anthropophagy as a solution to the Irish famine. "A young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled, and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or aragout."The dump fans are obviously vegetarians. And I suppose it could have been an alternative to adoption in past ages. But I fear the fully grown 'rich' might be a bit tough and stringy. I'mnot too sure I'd fancy fricasseed Getty or Gates.How about a fricasseed Hilton?

Not enough meat.
Robin


kj

qwasimodem@aol.com (Qwasimodem) wrote in message news:<20040320094029.26484.00001740@mb-m20.aol.com>... On: 3/18/04 4:13 PM Eastern Standard Time patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote: <snip>I've seen Maury a few times. Yeah it really is a case of spot the father -eeek! I'm waiting with bated breath to find out who daddy is <snip> When you find out, will you then tell your son? Gary Prick, 1st Class Birthfathers Brigade


I know precisely who my son's father is if it's all the same to you.

On: 3/20/04 4:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote:
I know precisely who my son's father is

<snip>

Hmmm...guess this is something you and Polly don't have in common.
You still haven't answered the question, though.

Gary
Prick, 1st Class
Birthfathers Brigade

kjs668@aol.comeek (kj) wrote in message news:<20040320131738.07830.00000083@mb-m11.aol.com>...patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/18/2004 4:33 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403181333.c735157@posting.google.com>adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote in messagenews:<20040318011312.18277.00001648@mb-m06.aol.com>... >Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption Fraud >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) >Date: 3/17/04 10:37 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.com> > >palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message >news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>... >> >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its >> >citizens.. >> > >> > >> >Jackie >> >> >> Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to Canada. In the >> US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue. Is it part of >> the culture in your land, Jackie? >> >> >> P2P > >I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P. I >recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous >talk back shows. Which ones? Rikki Lake? Springer? CNN? The hottest babes can be found on Fox. Lori can Dhue me anytime she wants.All of them. Since you're forming your opinion of the US based on what you see on cable television, may I suggest tuning into one of Maury's "Who's Your Daddy?" paternity shows. I swear, some of those folks are a walking advertisement for infant adoption, don'tcha think : )The problem with that is the adoptive parents on these shows are just asnuts. Anybody who goes on these shows is nuts! It's not a representation of American culture.

I would hope not. If it weren't for the many fantastic American women
I've met over the years who have become friends, it would be easy as
an outsider to assume the US is primarily made up of those shameless
lunatics given the number of shows that have no problem finding ready
participants. They don't do the US PR efforts any favours.




America is the land of SUV's and yuppies.


>If they represent your American culture then God help >you all. Thank you, Mick Dundee.Mick Dundee was just a movie. No-one carries knifes that big:-) Dad kj

"Dian" <patrice068@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:9a095db9.0403201512.635f4656@posting.google.c om... kjs668@aol.comeek (kj) wrote in message
news:<20040320131738.07830.00000083@mb-m11.aol.com>...patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)Date: 3/18/2004 4:33 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <9a095db9.0403181333.c735157@posting.google.com>adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote in messagenews:<20040318011312.18277.00001648@mb-m06.aol.com>...> >Subject: Re: Bwaaaa!! US Adoption Fraud> >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian)> >Date: 3/17/04 10:37 PM Eastern Standard Time> >Message-id: <9a095db9.0403171937.5c6973d3@posting.google.com>> >> >palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote in message> >news:<20040317170643.19482.00001727@mb-m16.aol.com>...> >> >America is great.. America is good.. America takes care of its> >> >citizens..> >> >> >> >> >> >Jackie> >>> >>> >> Maybe all people who need nannies for themselves should move to
Canada. In the> >> US seeking care from the government is not considered a virtue.
Is it part of> >> the culture in your land, Jackie?> >>> >>> >> P2P> >> >I wouldn't be too quick to pride yourself on your own culture, P2P.
I> >recently connected to cable and have been rivetted to your numerous> >talk back shows.>> Which ones? Rikki Lake? Springer? CNN? The hottest babes can be
found on> Fox. Lori can Dhue me anytime she wants.>All of them.> Since you're forming your opinion of the US based on what you see
on cable> television, may I suggest tuning into one of Maury's "Who's Your
Daddy?"> paternity shows. I swear, some of those folks are a walking
advertisement for> infant adoption, don'tcha think : )>The problem with that is the adoptive parents on these shows are just
asnuts. Anybody who goes on these shows is nuts! It's not a representation of
American culture. I would hope not. If it weren't for the many fantastic American women I've met over the years who have become friends, it would be easy as an outsider to assume the US is primarily made up of those shameless lunatics given the number of shows that have no problem finding ready participants. They don't do the US PR efforts any favours.

Maury types roam the streets of Columbus, Ohio. My favorite was the woman
with 4 kids at the convenience store near my house. They appeared to have 4
different fathers and were sticky dirty and suffered from cookie snot. She
was with her current Great Love (he was carriyng a skateboard for some
reason.) and they were buying cheap wine (or was it beer?) and cigarettes.
The kids were hungry and whining. She screams at them to shut up. "I
ain't got no money. I aint' got no money. Wait til' tomorrow when your dad
gives me some." So the kids start climbing up the shelves! The owner
freaks out You can tell he's got lawsuit paranoia and he tries to get the
kids down. Moo is totally oblivious to the whole thing while she grab asses
her boyfriend..

Then there was the lovely woman who one afternoon punched her kid in the
head repeatedly at a nearby playground. Even I was offended by this, but
before I could say anything another mother came over and grabbed the kid.
And let's not get started on groceries, Taco Bell., and the bus with its
SUV baby-carrier mamas.

Marley America is the land of SUV's and yuppies.> >If they represent your American culture then God help> >you all.>> Thank you, Mick Dundee.>Mick Dundee was just a movie. No-one carries knifes that big:-)> Dad kj