SAFE HAVENS BILL CLEARS HOUSE, HEADS TO UNCERTAIN SENATE FATE

By Amy Lambiaso
STATE HOUSE NEWS SERVICE
amy.lambiaso@statehousenews.com

STATE HOUSE, BOSTON, MARCH 11, 2004.....House members on Thursday
overwhelmingly approved legislation that allows parents to drop-off
newborns at designated public places without a fear of being prosecuted,

but its backers are less confident of its future in the Senate.
The so-called "safe haven" legislation survived after nearly three hours
of
House debate by vote of 137 - 21. Two years ago, the measure passed the
House by en even larger margin, but ultimately died in the Senate when
members let the legislative session end without a vote on the bill.
Speaking on the House floor Thursday morning, supporters of the bill
called
this an opportunity to build the state's "arsenal" of weapons to help
young, scared mothers, while saving the lives of newborn babies. They
said
the recent adoption of local ordinances by cities and towns in support
of
safe havens is a call for the state to take action.
"They are crying out for us to do something statewide," said Rep. Thomas

O'Brien (D-Kingston), on the House floor.
Opponents believe the establishment of such a law will encourage
abandonment, and they argue that the state should use its resources to
boost funding for programs already in place.
"We have safe havens here already," said Rep. Anne Paulsen (D-Belmont).
"We
have adoption agencies that work very hard and we have hospitals where
babies are left every day."
Lawmakers said social service programs such as those for adoption
assistance and teen pregnancy prevention remain under funded, and should
be
the main focus. Rep. Ellen Story (D-Amherst) said teen pregnancy
programs
have been cut by 82 percent during the last two years.
To date, 45 other states have safe haven laws on the books. In
Massachusetts alone, 11 children have been abandoned since May of 2000,
with five of those babies dying, O'Brien said.
"Each day that passes without a safe havens bill is another day that we
risk the loss of a young life," said Rep. Lida Harkins (D-Needham), who
sponsored one of the proposals.

The bill passed by the House Thursday allows parents to leave a newborn
baby, within seven days of being born, at a hospital, police department
or
fire station, without the fear of prosecution. The Department of Social
Services is immediately granted custody of the child and is responsible
for
placing the child in a foster home.
Adopted as a compromise measure, the legislation also includes a
provision
requiring that information on teen pregnancy prevention programs and
adoption support be included in any advertising campaign on the new safe

haven law. -more-

SAFE HAVENS BILL CLEARS HOUSE, HEADS TO UNCERTAIN SENATE FATE

The Legislature must approve the proposed law again by June 30, 2008, or
it
will "sunset" and be automatically repealed.
Safe haven opponents said that while they were "disappointed" with the
final outcome, they were "pleased with some of the compromises reached
during the debate," said Elizabeth Zarrella, director of advocacy for
the
Home For Little Wanderers. "We will continue to be a resource and will
work
collaboratively to ensure the safety of newborns and their mothers."

But other opponents were much less willing to compromise.
"This bill sends a terrible message to our kids," said Rep. David
Torrisi
(D-North Andover) during today's debate. "No shame, no blame, no name is

the message we are sending to our kids."
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"BabySafeHaven" <babysafehaven@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rep. Ellen Story (D-Amherst) said teen pregnancy programs have been cut by 82 percent during the last two years.

I can't think of a more vivid illustration of regressive tendencies that
Safe Havens represent. As long as goofballs like the Morrisseys focus their
mau-mau political tactics on the candy-coated promotion of abandonment
instead of root causes, we're in for the longest scoundrel season on record.
The more abandonment is promoted, the more abandonments will occur, and the
more the wingnuts will cry for more money to promote abandonment. Combined
with a massive roll back of supportive services for women in crisis and you
have the potential for a never ending cycle of tragedy pimping.

I can only hope that Massachussets tries harder than California has done so
far to actually determine whether their proposed Safe Haven works.

Ron

<<<I can't think of a more vivid illustration of regressive tendencies that
Safe Havens represent. As long as goofballs like the Morrisseys focus their
mau-mau political tactics on the candy-coated promotion of abandonment
instead of root causes, we're in for the longest scoundrel season on record.
The more abandonment is promoted, the more abandonments will occur, and the
more the wingnuts will cry for more money to promote abandonment. Combined
with a massive roll back of supportive services for women in crisis and you
have the potential for a never ending cycle of tragedy pimping.

I can only hope that Massachussets tries harder than California has done so
far to actually determine whether their proposed Safe Haven works.

Ron>>>

Your spin cycle is on permanent overdrive here! All of these cuts Rep Story
complained about took place long before the Baby Safe Haven bill was even
considered by the House, so how is that bill, not yet considered, guilty of
making those cuts.
And why was Adam P. actually crying loudly on the radio yesterday in Boston,
and insulting both pro-Baby Safe Haven law hosts, one is an adoptee, the other
the husband of an adoptee. Adam said, "being an adoptee doesn't make you an
expert on adoption!" I wonder who else that applies to, HHHhhmmmmm?
I guess he won't be back on the top morning talk show ever again after that low
ball insult. Some advice for Adam, take some voice lessons so that your
message comes across clear on the radio, and not sounding a "goofball." Waking
up to that whining was the most unpleasant thing listeners have had to endure.
Is that the sound of the bottom I hear dropping out as the Legislature moves
Baby Safe Havens forward prior to the gay marriage Constitutional Convention?
Jean

"BabySafeHaven" <babysafehaven@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040312064414.02169.00001345@mb-m19.aol.com... <<<I can't think of a more vivid illustration of regressive tendencies
that Safe Havens represent. As long as goofballs like the Morrisseys focus
their mau-mau political tactics on the candy-coated promotion of abandonment instead of root causes, we're in for the longest scoundrel season on
record. The more abandonment is promoted, the more abandonments will occur, and
the more the wingnuts will cry for more money to promote abandonment. Combined with a massive roll back of supportive services for women in crisis and
you have the potential for a never ending cycle of tragedy pimping. I can only hope that Massachussets tries harder than California has done
so far to actually determine whether their proposed Safe Haven works. Ron>>>

Yeah, it's amazing how gulliable these clueless do-gooders are to the siren
song of the the leftwing propganda of the Morriseys..

Your spin cycle is on permanent overdrive here! All of these cuts Rep
Story complained about took place long before the Baby Safe Haven bill was even considered by the House, so how is that bill, not yet considered, guilty

And did you do anything about that? I'd think with your political
proclivities and concern for maternal and baby well-being you'd have been
calling the House and Senate every day demanding funding restoral.

And, please, explain how SH won't cost anybody anything.. Your friend
Greer Tan Swiston claims that the program won't cost a dime since the
federal
government funds SH. Please give me a reference on that and how much it
will give to MA. And while I'm at it, how is federal money "free" money?
And who pays for retraining, education, and publicity? Ohio had no fiscal
note attached to it's bill, but it managed to get a brochure and some
posters printed distribute as well as some training material for SH depots.
Did some nice taxpayer donate money to finance this "service" or were funds
transfered from legitimate child welfare programs?

of making those cuts. And why was Adam P. actually crying loudly on the radio yesterday in
Boston, and insulting both pro-Baby Safe Haven law hosts, one is an adoptee, the
other the husband of an adoptee. Adam said, "being an adoptee doesn't make you
an expert on adoption!" I wonder who else that applies to, HHHhhmmmmm? I guess he won't be back on the top morning talk show ever again after
that low ball insult. Some advice for Adam, take some voice lessons so that your message comes across clear on the radio, and not sounding a "goofball."
Waking up to that whining was the most unpleasant thing listeners have had to
endure. Is that the sound of the bottom I hear dropping out as the Legislature
moves Baby Safe Havens forward prior to the gay marriage Constitutional
Convention? Jean

You know, you have brought political discourse to an all time ugly low. In
my 35 years of political life I have never ever run into anybody like you
two. I've run some of your stuff by conservative Republican lobbyist
friends of mine on the federal level,, and they are appalled. No doubt
you're big fans of David Frum, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. The customer
service department at Wal-Mart knows you well.

Marley
--
The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and because of
justice perverted
--Pirkei Avot 5:8

<<<You know, you have brought political discourse to an all time ugly low. In
my 35 years of political life I have never ever run into anybody like you
two. I've run some of your stuff by conservative Republican lobbyist
friends of mine on the federal level,, and they are appalled.>>>>

Do you think a give a rat's @$$ what your supposed lobbyists think?
It must be that we're getting the job done!
We're turning around the true-believer-anti-Baby Safe Haven crowd by going into
every city and town, and to their constituents. So we'll consider your claim a
complete compliment. If they don't tell their constituents what they are
secretly fighting behind closed doors on the hill, we'll tell them and their
opposition in the next election who can use it in their campaign. It's simple
politics, that's all. No wonder you haven't come across it in 35 years???

<<< No doubt
you're big fans of David Frum, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. The customer
service department at Wal-Mart knows you well.

Marley>>>

Name drop all you want. They mean nothing to me. To tell you the truth I've
never set foot in a Wal Mart. ("Why, what to they sell there stuff for walls?"
Paris Hilton)
For me it's Lord and Taylors all the way.
Jean

BabySafeHaven wrote:
<<<You know, you have brought political discourse to an all time ugly low. In my 35 years of political life I have never ever run into anybody like you two. I've run some of your stuff by conservative Republican lobbyist friends of mine on the federal level,, and they are appalled.>>>> Do you think a give a rat's @$$ what your supposed lobbyists think? It must be that we're getting the job done! We're turning around the true-believer-anti-Baby Safe Haven crowd by going into every city and town, and to their constituents. So we'll consider your claim a complete compliment. If they don't tell their constituents what they are secretly fighting behind closed doors on the hill, we'll tell them and their opposition in the next election who can use it in their campaign. It's simple politics, that's all. No wonder you haven't come across it in 35 years??? <<< No doubt you're big fans of David Frum, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. The customer service department at Wal-Mart knows you well. Marley>>> Name drop all you want. They mean nothing to me. To tell you the truth I've never set foot in a Wal Mart. ("Why, what to they sell there stuff for walls?" Paris Hilton) For me it's Lord and Taylors all the way. Jean

Lord & Taylor.

"BabySafeHaven" <babysafehaven@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040312182554.22662.00001431@mb-m10.aol.com... <<<You know, you have brought political discourse to an all time ugly low.
In my 35 years of political life I have never ever run into anybody like you two. I've run some of your stuff by conservative Republican lobbyist friends of mine on the federal level,, and they are appalled.>>>> Do you think a give a rat's @$$ what your supposed lobbyists think?

You should. Washington plays hardball. Not like Massachusetts.

It must be that we're getting the job done! We're turning around the true-believer-anti-Baby Safe Haven crowd by going
into every city and town, and to their constituents.

No you haven't. You've badgered and threatened, and beaten people down.
I've heard the complaints out of the House for months. I talked to a
Senator today and got an earful, too. But then that's how big govern act..
Just ask the thug in the White House. It's all about bludgeoning people,
insulting and demeaning them, and devaluing their opinions and them
personally because you disagree with them. No other state has carried on
like MA has. Passionate people can disagree and maintain a modicum of
civility and respect. My beloved mentor is a perfect example, and I can
guarantee you that I'm on good terms with my most virulent political
enemies.

So we'll consider your claim a complete compliment. If they don't tell their constituents what they are secretly fighting behind closed doors on the hill, we'll tell them and
their opposition in the next election who can use it in their campaign. It's
simple politics, that's all. No wonder you haven't come across it in 35 years???

I dare say I've got a lot more experience than you do, and your Politics of
Arrogance is a dead-end street. BTW, how do you know what's gong on behind
the closed doors of the MA legislature. Is Homeland Security bugging the
place for you?
<<< No doubt you're big fans of David Frum, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. The
customer service department at Wal-Mart knows you well. Marley>>> Name drop all you want. They mean nothing to me.

And here I thought you were channeling Rove. You have no idea what's going
on outside of the insulated world of SaveABaby.

To tell you the truth I've never set foot in a Wal Mart. ("Why, what to they sell there stuff for
walls?"

I don;'t go to Walmart either. I seldom buy anything new, and Id not go to
a place that exploits its workers and runs other businesses out of town.
Paris Hilton) For me it's Lord and Taylors all the way. Jean

Patty already commented.

Marley

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Xkn4c.5251$Pa7.136250@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

You know, you have brought political discourse to an all time ugly low.
In my 35 years of political life I have never ever run into anybody like you two. I've run some of your stuff by conservative Republican lobbyist friends of mine on the federal level,, and they are appalled. No doubt you're big fans of David Frum, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. The
customer service department at Wal-Mart knows you well. Marley --

Ah Marls, the woods is full of dips like these two. Chest-beating do-gooders
with entitlement issues as long as your arm. Hie thee down to any city
council or county board of supervisors meetings and they stand out by the
glow of their rectitude and self-importance.

The Safe Haven movement tops them all for drawing wackjobs, like the
Morrisseys, folks who look at gravesites and think "photo-op!" They think
because they hide behind dead babies they are beyond reproach. They're
pretty revolting, when you get right down to it.

Most of the time these cretins get no nearer to state legislation than
lobbying to change the state bird from the egret to the crested woodpecker,
but since Safe Haven legislation swooped across the country in 2000-0, it's
been open season for ghouls and semi-pro tear-jerkers. (If I knew it was so
easy to pass laws, I'd bring a sack of Bermuda onions to hearings with me. I
guess in Mass it hasn't been that easy, it's been a grind).

In the end it's like I said. Chances are good that Mass will pass a Safe
Haven bill. The Morrisseys will go back to haunting the cabbage patch of
local government and waiting for some other tragedy to pimp in the Big Show.
Buh Bye!

Ron



The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and because of justice perverted --Pirkei Avot 5:8

<<<I've heard the complaints out of the House for months. I talked to a
Senator today and got an earful, too.>>>

Is that the senator who recently changed his mind when his 4 cities started to
take up the local ordinance against his wishes? Anyway, how bad can little ol'
us be when they had thousands of screaming, chanting, singing pro-con-gay
marriage folks yesterday. We were escorted past all of this by a Rep and his
aide to hear the debate. I'm sure we're disliked by the TINY opposition of Baby
Safe Havens, but gee, that's simply politics. We're always polite, quiet, and
cordial to everyone, never having a bad word with anybody. Contrary to what you
want to believe.
Funny thing, we were thanked on the floor of the House during the debate by
some of the state reps, for our relentless advocacy. Funny, I didn't hear
anyone mention your group, pro or con, during the proceedings. And we did also
work to help get a new senator elected recently, and we're working on several
other campaigns as well. One is running for Congress.
Once again it's just simple politics.

<<No other state has carried on
like MA has.>>>
How about in New Hampshire? All we heard was complaints about your group, from
both sides of the aisle.
For me it's Lord and Taylors all the way.>>>

There are three stores in my area, so it IS a plural on the name. My favorite
is in Chestnut Hill. There's a big 50% off sale on handbags today, so I'll see
y'all later!

Jean

"Ron Morgan" <rhyzome1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6Qz4c.18589$%06.4664@newsread2.news.pas.earth link.net... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:Xkn4c.5251$Pa7.136250@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... You know, you have brought political discourse to an all time ugly low. In my 35 years of political life I have never ever run into anybody like
you two. I've run some of your stuff by conservative Republican lobbyist friends of mine on the federal level,, and they are appalled. No doubt you're big fans of David Frum, Scooter Libby, and Karl Rove. The customer service department at Wal-Mart knows you well. Marley -- Ah Marls, the woods is full of dips like these two. Chest-beating
do-gooders with entitlement issues as long as your arm. Hie thee down to any city council or county board of supervisors meetings and they stand out by the glow of their rectitude and self-importance.

Oh, I know, Ron! We have Shirley at the Statehouse who's mission in life is
to bring the Bible back into the schools. She says she's got 12,000 in her
organization that nobody has ever heard of--including a large membership of
Bible believing Muslims. Then we have (or had--he finally lost an election)
a member of the school board who shows up in camo and pounds his shoe on his
desk and shouts fascist racist police state for 40 minutes at board meetings
(it's lovely to hear this live on the radio) and calls Olympic champion, now
president of the board, Stephanie Hightower, Miss Dreadlocks, or something
like that. Sometimes the board just adjourns to get rid of him. He serves
a positive purpose. He doesn't let us forget the hypocrisy of liberal
white folk and blacks who kiss their feet, but he's oh-so obnoxious to the
ear. Twenty-two years ago when I worked in school desegregation he'd call
us up to talk about white male teachers who get off on paddling little black
girls in white panties. I actually voted for him last time around just on
general principle. The shoe-pounding, though.....I can think of better uses
for a shoe on these people.

The Safe Haven movement tops them all for drawing wackjobs, like the Morrisseys, folks who look at gravesites and think "photo-op!" They think because they hide behind dead babies they are beyond reproach. They're pretty revolting, when you get right down to it.

I wonder if they're hooked up to Missionaires to the Preborn. They would be
a welcome addition no doubt, if they aren't. Most of the time these cretins get no nearer to state legislation than lobbying to change the state bird from the egret to the crested
woodpecker, but since Safe Haven legislation swooped across the country in 2000-0,
it's been open season for ghouls and semi-pro tear-jerkers. (If I knew it was
so easy to pass laws, I'd bring a sack of Bermuda onions to hearings with me.
I guess in Mass it hasn't been that easy, it's been a grind).

This is what happens in a Republican post-service society. Way too much
time to look for laws to pass and Osama is too much trouble to find, though
Little Robert is now in FBI custody. They hope to place him soon with a
forever family. It's so sad! We must prepare now for his arrival on
alt.adpotion in a few years. In the end it's like I said. Chances are good that Mass will pass a Safe Haven bill. The Morrisseys will go back to haunting the cabbage patch of local government and waiting for some other tragedy to pimp in the Big
Show. Buh Bye! Ron

It's difficult to get show biz out of your blood.

Marley

--
The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and because of
justice perverted
--Pirkei Avot 5:8

"BabySafeHaven" <babysafehaven@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040313074413.08817.00001437@mb-m13.aol.com... <<<I've heard the complaints out of the House for months. I talked to a Senator today and got an earful, too.>>> Is that the senator who recently changed his mind when his 4 cities
started to take up the local ordinance against his wishes?

Hmm, I don't think so.

Anyway, how bad can little ol' us be when they had thousands of screaming, chanting, singing pro-con-gay marriage folks yesterday. We were escorted past all of this by a Rep and
his aide to hear the debate. I'm sure we're disliked by the TINY opposition of
Baby Safe Havens, but gee, that's simply politics. We're always polite, quiet,
and cordial to everyone, never having a bad word with anybody. Contrary to
what you want to believe.

Your name is loathed by every adoption reform organization in the US and
Europe for underminding adoptee rights through an issue that is, quite
frankly none of your business. You have injected your noses into to lives
and rights of millions of adopted persons by attempting to gut access to our
records. You have never addressed the fact that my mentor as well as Tom
Atwood publicy admitted that Baby Moses is a response to our open records
victories in Oregon and Alabama. Just remember what the biblical Moses
did. He was not grateful..
Funny thing, we were thanked on the floor of the House during the debate
by some of the state reps, for our relentless advocacy. Funny, I didn't hear anyone mention your group, pro or con, during the proceedings. And we did
also work to help get a new senator elected recently, and we're working on
several other campaigns as well. One is running for Congress. Once again it's just simple politics.

And funny thing that several Reps and Senators called me without any
invitation to ask me to furnish them with docouments, data, stats, and
contacts to help them oppose your bill. We don't crave attention. We seek
results. The war has just started.
<<No other state has carried on like MA has.>>> How about in New Hampshire? All we heard was complaints about your group,
from both sides of the aisle.

Please please please document. I'm really interested since Foster's Daily
and Loeb's ultra-conservative Union-Times published my commentary and
publicly opposed passage. We barely worked in NH--just some letters. If
you want to talk tactics, please talk to us about the little discussion
that a UMass lawyer had to have with you about your "discussions" with the
university. And how about your intervention in a certain Rep's attempt to
order SH literature from a certain organization last session? Oh, I could
go on, but I won't at the moment. For me it's Lord and Taylors all the way.>>> There are three stores in my area, so it IS a plural on the name. My
favorite is in Chestnut Hill. There's a big 50% off sale on handbags today, so I'll
see y'all later!

Designed by Monia Lewinsky? Jean


--
The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and because of
justice perverted
--Pirkei Avot 5:8

<<Your name is loathed by every adoption reform organization in the US and
Europe for underminding adoptee rights through an issue that is, quite
frankly none of your business. >>>

Awwwwww gee, flattery will get you nowhere.
Do you think I would get more respect if I showed up at a tiny rally wearing a
Judge Judy outfit, made a speech and called it a "sentence," and shouted and
chanted in a megaphone? How 'bout NOT!

<<<And how about your intervention in a certain Rep's attempt to
order SH literature from a certain organization last session? Oh, I could
go on, but I won't at the moment.>>>

Is that the Rep who called a Baby Safe Haven group in another state claiming to
be a supporter of the bill, a complete lie, asking for posters and videos so
that he could claim they are offensive materials during his House speech. We
just set the record straight with the truth, that's all.

<<And funny thing that several Reps and Senators called me without any
invitation to ask me to furnish them with docouments, data, stats, and
contacts to help them oppose your bill.>>

I hope they bring you up to MA to all stand up publicly and campaign for them
as they rally openly against Baby Safe Haven laws, right in front of their
constituents. But then again they don't have the guts to do that now do
they???? This being an election year and all.

<<<If you want to talk tactics, please talk to us about the little discussion
that a UMass lawyer had to have with you about your "discussions" with the
university.>>


Little discussion is right! How the heck did you get all of that from a 20
second nothing phone conversation?
Three questions on where he was getting his data from, what reports he had and
what is he advocating?

<<<Designed by Monia Lewinsky?>>>

Nawwww, her stuff is a little "blown" out of proportion. I would take a look at
the Nicky Hilton line though. I hear it's big in Japan right now though.

Jean
Just another shop-a-holic soccer Mom.

"BabySafeHaven" <babysafehaven@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040313180843.20451.00001421@mb-m28.aol.com... <<Your name is loathed by every adoption reform organization in the US and Europe for underminding adoptee rights through an issue that is, quite frankly none of your business. >>> Awwwwww gee, flattery will get you nowhere. Do you think I would get more respect if I showed up at a tiny rally
wearing a Judge Judy outfit, made a speech and called it a "sentence," and shouted
and chanted in a megaphone? How 'bout NOT!

You lack irony and humor, Jean, something that bastards and adopted persons
are quite aware of. We live it daily. Jews are turned in Baptists and
African-Americans into white Norwegians by the magic of adoption. Our
"official" state records state that we were born to people who were in fact
infertile, in states and cities they've never visited. Our birthdates,
birthplaces, and names are changed to hide "uncomfortable" facts from other
people's lives. It's a Witness Protection Program for those whose only
crime is being adopted. . Don't you find something rather humorous and
ironic in that? We've made a positive difference in thousands of people's
lives; your campaign only creates misery, shame and harm to women and
children.. BTW, I've never chanted through a megaphone. I don't even know
how to work one. I'm not high-tech. My theatre background suffices. <<<And how about your intervention in a certain Rep's attempt to order SH literature from a certain organization last session? Oh, I could go on, but I won't at the moment.>>> Is that the Rep who called a Baby Safe Haven group in another state
claiming to be a supporter of the bill, a complete lie, asking for posters and videos
so that he could claim they are offensive materials during his House speech.
We just set the record straight with the truth, that's all.

And if these materials are so positive and uplifting, what difference does
it make who asks for them and why? I just ordered a bunch of stuff from
the Ohio Health Department for my Baby Moses presentation at the AAC at the
end of the month. Please call and tell them not to send the material to me
since I'm not using it for your purpose. <<And funny thing that several Reps and Senators called me without any invitation to ask me to furnish them with docouments, data, stats, and contacts to help them oppose your bill.>> I hope they bring you up to MA to all stand up publicly and campaign for
them as they rally openly against Baby Safe Haven laws, right in front of their constituents. But then again they don't have the guts to do that now do they???? This being an election year and all.

I have no idea why somebody would NOT run on a platform of openness in best
practice child welfare. When I'm not bothering you I'm taking on NOW among
others. I've been with NOW off-since it's inception and am a current
officer in the local chapter. I'm not afraid to speak the truth. <<<If you want to talk tactics, please talk to us about the little
discussion that a UMass lawyer had to have with you about your "discussions" with the university.>> Little discussion is right! How the heck did you get all of that from a
20 second nothing phone conversation? Three questions on where he was getting his data from, what reports he had
and what is he advocating?

That's not what I heard and to be honest, I trust my source rather than your
account. <<<Designed by Monia Lewinsky?>>> Nawwww, her stuff is a little "blown" out of proportion. I would take a
look at the Nicky Hilton line though. I hear it's big in Japan right now though. Jean Just another shop-a-holic soccer Mom.

That's actually funny, Jean! I was so confused. I used to think they were
talking about the original Nicky Hilton--Elizabeth Taylor's first husband.

Marley