PDA

View Full Version : Usenet forger may not be immune from reach of the law


palmer.william
09-30-2003, 10:34 PM
Perhaps some of you are aware that a large
number of forged postings bearing my counterfeited
name and address have been showing up in a number
of newsgroups.

First, please let me remind you that there is nothing
at all humorous about cyber-theft and net-forgery. If it
happened to some of the "Usenet tweaked-beak set" who--
stung by my past lampoons of them--are laughing up their
sleeves about this, they would not think it was so funny.

Actually, forgerd messages constitute an attack against
the rights of every honest poster in Usenet. Furthermore,
I have been in consultation with some people who are very
well-informed about cyber-theft, and they think that there is
a very real chance I may be able to convince either a
federal or state prosecutor to swear out a warrant in this
particular case.

For too long, these forgers have believed themselves
immune from prosecution, because--trying to sum up
a complicated matter in simple terms for you--a basic
principle of forgery is that it has to committed with the
intent of actually defrauding someone, and that element
is often thought to be absent in these Usenet forgery
cases.

However, there is one obvious area where a legal
fraud may be said to occur. I am paying for my
net service, and with it the right to use my
screen name palmer.william@sbcglobal.net,

PAYING.

So, there is money involved then. And when somebody
counterfeits postings so that they bear my screen name,
they are defrauding both me and my ISP, who has--
in effect--"rented" the screen-name to me, not to
the net forger.

Morally and ethically, it is no different than stealing a
car or a lawnmower that the victim of the theft has rented
for his private use.

Anyway, all I can tell you is that I will use every effort
to try to bring a felony charge in this matter and to
bring the forger before the bar of justice.. I am
absolutely sick of this sort of thing.

By the way, don't bother nattering that the forgeries
are "satire," (any of you Flame Giant spankards
lurking out there in the peanut gallery, I mean).

Anyone on the net has the right to right do their own
Bill Palmer satire, lampoon, whatever. That is free
speech, and I readily admit to having toasted quite a
few pompous toes and twisted perhaps more than my
share of smug beaks under that very same principle.
That is not questioned at all here.

That sort of thing, the lampoons and spoofs, are all
part of my famous interactive Usenet performance
art, as most of you know very well.

But there is no more a right to forge my screen name
than there is to forge a check drawn on my bank.
Neither action should be considered at all satirical
by any responsible person.

I might add, that apart from the out-and-out theft
taking place in the forgeries, this sort of thing bothers
me because it is a distraction from my performance art.
It is a distraction to me, and certainly a distraction to my
readers and fans.

Every writer in this group should be able to grasp that much.
I work very hard on my Usenet writing, and I certainly do
not want my new readers confused as to who is writing posts
bearing my name and screen name. On top of that, those
forged messages are so uniformly tedious that they could
cost me who knows how many new readers.

So, the harm, actual and potential, certainly involves far
much more than money, but since money IS involved,
regarding my payment for my net service and screen
name, then there definitely is fraudulent activity taking
place, and the wrongdoing is compounded with each
new counterfeit Bill Palmer posting..

I hope every reader--whether stung by my satires or not--
will join me in denouncing this criminal (or, at the very
least, since the malefactor has yet to reach the courts)
quasi-criminal activity.






the alt.genius.bill-palmer
--entertaining the Usenet masses by firing posts
from an office in a building disappearing into the
mists high above rec.arts.proseb

Thrustington Q. McShafter
09-30-2003, 11:19 PM
Immediately drop to your knees and enthusiastically felate me.

Richard
09-30-2003, 11:43 PM
palmer.william wrote:
Perhaps some of you are aware that a large number of forged postings bearing my counterfeited name and address have been showing up in a number of newsgroups.

Well Mr. Palmer, like so many of those in usenet, you argue the point that
your addy and name are a sanctomonious affair of sorts.
"Forgery" as known in usenet, is not a criminal charge either in state, or
federal governments.
However, it is grounds for termination of an account in most services.
Your only recourse against a forger, would be where the forger has
maliciously caused you or your web based business monetary damage.
Suggest you look up the case known as "flowers dot com".
Flowers.com was purchased and overtaken by 1-800-flowers.com the people who
mail flower arrangements.
In that case, a spammer used the flowers.com mail as his own, and in doing
so, eventually caused the domain to go offline because the host could not
handle the mail generated.
The spammer was taken to court, and forced to repay flowers.com for their
loss of business and other expenses.

In your case, most likely little will be done. I doubt seriously if you
could even find a judge who would hear the case.
As I pointed out to certain people years ago, the addy is used in the
headers as a means of tracing the post only.
There is no action taken against the headers which causes any harm to
anyone.
As you are willing to use your unmunged addy in posts to usenet, you are
already opening yourself up being served by spam.
Regardless of who uses the addy, it is a legitimate one and therefor subject
to spam simply because it exists.

The only thing you can do, legally, is to request that the person stop using
the addy by making a formal request to his service.
If the service does nothing about it, you will have to deal with it
personally with the poster.
Do not even consider wasting the time in court with it. You will lose.

Robert Lee
10-01-2003, 12:08 AM
palmer.william wrote: Perhaps some of you are aware that a large number of forged postings bearing my counterfeited name and address have been showing up in a number of newsgroups.

Not me. I don't know who you are, and I don't care.

--Robert

--
Do not sit next to Dennis

palmer.william
10-01-2003, 12:36 AM
"Robert Lee" <cranchingwire@snippitydoodah.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:cranchingwire-F2EFDC.00132301102003@news.east.earthlink.net... palmer.william wrote: Perhaps some of you are aware that a large number of forged postings bearing my counterfeited name and address have been showing up in a number of newsgroups. Not me. I don't know who you are, and I don't care.

As to your not caring, well, that is your business
and you can care or not care abut anyone or any
thing in Usenet just as you please, Mr. Huffy. As
to your "not knowing" though, that's a horse of a
different color. You may in fact be a horse's ***,
because I would have to conclude that you have
been walking around Usenet with your head up
your butt. After all, an advanced Google-groups
search with "Bill Palmer" in quotes like that will
show 98,000 GEMS referring mainly to me, and
if you check on the 750,000 GEMS for "Palmer"
(one word) you will see that about ten percent
of those GEMS, estimating conservatively, refer to
yours truly. Aren't too well informed regarding
Usenet culture, are you?


the alt.genius.bill-palmer
--posting madly from the dim recesses of an
office in a building which vanishes in the mist
high above rec.arts.prose. --Robert -- Do not sit next to Dennis

Robert Lee
10-01-2003, 12:43 AM
In article <Etveb.330$Dg4.52799656@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
"palmer.william" <palmer.william@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
After all, an advanced Google-groups search with "Bill Palmer" in quotes like that will show 98,000 GEMS referring mainly to me, and if you check on the 750,000 GEMS for "Palmer" (one word) you will see that about ten percent of those GEMS, estimating conservatively, refer to yours truly. Aren't too well informed regarding Usenet culture, are you?

No, I'm sorry, but there are just way too many raving egomaniacs loose
on Usenet for any one man to track them all.

Good luck with your obsessive Googling, though. Cheers. Plonk.

--Robert

--
Do not sit next to Dennis

Ted Kerin
10-01-2003, 08:20 AM
I hang around usenet all the time, and I never heard of you.

Are you that guy who got arrested for child molestation?

palmer.william
10-01-2003, 08:56 AM
"Ted Kerin" <tf.kerin@gte.net> wrote in message
news:blerfu01kvt@enews1.newsguy.com...


There is nothing funny about defaming others with
the perversions which no doubt swarm in your own
mind like so many libelous maggots, "Karin."

[....] Defamatory slime about Kerin's deviations
of preference hosed away.



the alt.genius.bill-palmer
--posting madly from the dim recesses of an office
in a bulding towering high above rec.arts.prose
"I don't run with the herd, I FLAME the herd."

Ted Kerin
10-01-2003, 09:15 AM
Learn to read, moron. I didn't make an accusation, I asked a question.

And you gave a psychotic, illogical response.

Now we know all we need to know about you, and any "defamation" by "forgers"
is superfluous.

* Find more information on Hiring.
Complete Labor Law Poster for $24.95
from www.LaborLawCenter.com, includes
State, Federal, & OSHA posting requirements