No kidding! I remember a Lt Col getting one during Operation Allied Force
for being the Operation Support Squadron Commander that never even deployed.
He did everything from his home base. Whatever.
Jessica should get a purple heart, pow medal, and sent to a combat driving
course on how to flee like a coward without crashing.
Seems like all of our recent POWs have been the ARMY being STUPID.
Douglas Berry
08-31-2003, 09:11 AM
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:28:32 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen
"John Smith" <divx@hotmail.com> scrawl a message on the wall:
Jessica should get a purple heart, pow medal, and sent to a combat drivingcourse on how to flee like a coward without crashing.
She wasn't driving. Based on my time as a PFC, I'm willing to bet she
was sound asleep.
--
Douglas E. Berry gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover
his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel
them?" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN-1784
ίΕΠΕ§§ wrote: "Zippy the Pinhead" <uce@NOSPAM.ftc.gov> wrote in message news:cbf328a079434f1799b9b61c32a9162b@news.teranew s.com... On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:47:26 -0700, "Jeremy Olson" <lorengo@halcyon.com> wrote: The above would warrant more than a Bronze Star. The Bronze Star is probably the most common medal. The BSM (without the "V" device) is the equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal but is given for service in a combat zone. After you get out, that and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee.
Not at Starbucks it won't ...
--
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already
earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake,
since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to
civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command,
senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently
I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be
torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action! It is my conviction
that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
-- Albert Einstein
jaybeatty wrote: "Colin Fisher" <co79@webtv.net> wrote in message news:29037-3F52E672-436@storefull-2316.public.lawson.webtv.net... gridlore@mindspring.com (Douglas Berry) wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:28:32 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen "John Smith" <divx@hotmail.com> scrawl a message on the wall: Jessica should get a purple heart, pow medal, and sent to a combat driving course on how to flee like a coward without crashing. She wasn't driving. Based on my time as a PFC, I'm willing to bet she was sound asleep. Based on the report released on how she was captured, I highly doubt that because it was a Sunday morning and there was gunfire and RPG rockets in the area. From what I understand, her best freind, the only female solider to die (I know the name but don't know how to properly spell it) was the one driving and she hit a turned over truck. Then again, I'd like to see how "John Smith" would be able to handle a vehicle in a similar situation. John Smith it seems really knows nothing of combat, based on what he said about his time as a PFC I'm guessing that he was a dirt bag that had a hard time doing the right thing.
Gee, and we though ALL U$ Soldiers were honorable "heroes" ....
What next Jay, no Santa Claus ...?
--
"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would
instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab
world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-
day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless
hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinable urban guerilla
war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever
greater instability."
-George H. W. Bush Sr. 1998
--
"Naturally, the common people don't want war;
neither in Russia nor in England nor in America,
nor for that matter in Germany.
That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders
of the country who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people
along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist
dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
they are being attacked and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing
the country to danger. It works the same way
in any country."
David Casey wrote: On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 05:34:49 -0700, ίΕΠΕ§§ wrote: The BSM (without the "V" device) is the equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal but is given for service in a combat zone. After you get out, that and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee. I wasn't aware folks who earned medals were doing it for cheap coffee somewhere?
Well then, that's the point ain't it? Some people don't actually "earn" the
medals.
None of the ones I've received caused me to exclaim loudly in front of the formation, "Outstanding! I get cheap coffee now when I become a civilian!"
Did you "earn" all the ones you received? ... to the same highest standard as
those
others who received the same?
Does getting lost, crashing your vehicle, being taken prisoner without firing a
shot,
spending time in a 1st class medical hospital, and getting "rescued" from that
unarmed,
unguarded hospital deserve a "bronze star" ?
Or does that denigrate and lessen the value, perceived or real, of those other
soldiers
throughout many wars who actually did "earn" the BS?
7 December 1941 - *KIDD, ISAAC CAMPBELL, Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy
Citation: For conspicuous devotion to duty, extraordinary courage and complete
disregard of his own life, during the attack on the Fleet in Pearl Harbor, by
Japanese forces on 7 December 1941. Rear Adm. Kidd immediately went to the
bridge and, as Commander Battleship Division One, courageously discharged his
duties as Senior Officer Present Afloat until the U.S.S. Arizona, his Flagship,
blew up from magazine explosions and a direct bomb hit on the bridge which
resulted in the loss of his life.
7 December 1941 - *VAN VALKENBURGH, FRANKLIN, Captain, U.S. Navy
Citation: For conspicuous devotion to duty, extraordinary courage and complete
disregard of his own life, during the attack on the Fleet in Pearl Harbor T.H.,
by Japanese forces on 7 December 1941. As commanding officer of the U.S.S.
Arizona, Capt. Van Valkenburgh gallantly fought his ship until the U.S.S.
Arizona blew up from magazine explosions and a direct bomb hit on the bridge which
resulted in the loss of his life.
Now these men gave their lives in the service of their country, but it is certainly
difficult to understand what was particularly personally "heroic" about their
actions. Iprefer to think of it as a award that encapsulated all the hero's whose
courage is not recorded. Perhaps this award falls in the same category.
Byker wrote: "Douglas Berry" <gridlore@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:946alv4fao7tcbctmvpvfejog9bo5oe6rl@4ax.com... On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:39:14 GMT, several witnesses claim to have seen "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> scrawl a message on the wall: "David Casey" <davidcasey@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:4tei17xzqeap$.dlg@davidcaseyspamcop.net...> "After you get out, that and fifty cents will get you a cup of> coffee." If you're a Baby Boomer, you might remember the time during Vietnam when disgrutled veterans threw their medals on the White House steps... It was the Capitol steps. I have the picture somewhere in one of my histories of the war. Thanx. It's one of those incidents from that era that seems to have been forgotten, like Nixon getting 50,000 telegrams in single night demanding the pardon of Lt. William Calley upon his court-martial conviction....
--
"We huddled 'em up. We made them squat down... I poured four clips
into the dinks...the mothers kept hugging their children...we kept on
firing..."
- Paul Meadlo
United States Army commenting on US War crimes at My Lai
You'll have to turn in your key to the Vox Haters Treefort ...
but they might let you keep your super sekrit decoder ring.
None of the ones I've received caused me to exclaim loudly in front of the formation, "Outstanding! I get cheap coffee now when I become a civilian!" Did you "earn" all the ones you received? ... to the same highest standard as those others who received the same? Does getting lost, crashing your vehicle, being taken prisoner without firing a shot, spending time in a 1st class medical hospital, and getting "rescued" from that unarmed, unguarded hospital deserve a "bronze star" ? In her defense, I wouldn't place the blame for what happened on her, it was the leadership of that unit that messed up, they are the ones that decide what happen.
So instead of court-martialing those responsible, just hand out
medals to the victims of their dereliction like candy to crying children?
Or does that denigrate and lessen the value, perceived or real, of those other soldiers throughout many wars who actually did "earn" the BS?
Sad, though they all are diluted and lessened when they
give them away as Propaganda pieces to decidedly non-heroes
like Jessica Lynch.
