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Quant
08-21-2003, 01:14 PM
MEMRI:
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55603

Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of
Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt

The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi
featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law
at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian
expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against
"all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the
interview: [1]

Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the
world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious
sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of
the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that
time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking
utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the
middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about
this issue?"

Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in
Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal
team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring
what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of
limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based
on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they
invaded other peoples…

"The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of
Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and
complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the
greatest collective fraud history has ever known.

"The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything
imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One
of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her
Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had
come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been
invited to a wedding… The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and
promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the
neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the
cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this
same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking
utensils…"

Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking
utensils?"

Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear
theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits
the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the
Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils,
when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the
Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way
throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with
the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters
and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...

"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon
them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its
pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every
activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had
reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore,
an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that
the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the
largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In
addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking
utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened."

Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?"

Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000
families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of
donkeys loaded with the stolen goods… They crossed the desert in the
heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on
their trail… Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and
discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold."

Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual
methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?"

Hilmi:"Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in
their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on
what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35,
verses 12 through 36…"

Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back
our stolen gold?"

Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other
legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have
called not to steal… It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the
Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious
obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.

"From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be
for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is
for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension,
not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold],
with interest, to its owners.

"On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not
for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by
legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen
goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over
the entire period of the theft."

Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and
clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?"

Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton,
[its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is
only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold – and we must
remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with
copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240
million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In
other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million
multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The
stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000
years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the
debt is very large…

"The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the
information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against
all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in
particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in
the Torah."

Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"

Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be
rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative
interest during that period."

Binyamin Dissen
08-21-2003, 01:22 PM
On 21 Aug 2003 13:14:55 -0700 sptrap2000@yahoo.com (Quant) wrote:

:>MEMRI:
:>http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55603

:>Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of
:>Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt

:>The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi
:>featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law
:>at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian
:>expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against
:>"all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the
:>interview: [1]

:>Dr. Hilmi: "… Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the
:>world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious
:>sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of
:>the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that
:>time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking
:>utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the
:>middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless."

Yawn.

Looks like the arabs never learn.

The tried this case a while back in front of Alexander the Great.

[ snipped ]

--
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http://www.dissensoftware.com

Ed
08-21-2003, 03:22 PM
A trillion tons of gold, stolen out of Egypt during the Exodus, huh?

Gee, I wonder how Moses and company managed that? Did they load the gold
onto freight trains? Have it flown out Air Express? What were the
logisitics in that?

What a crock!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh :-)

Ed
"Quant" <sptrap2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c47f6b5b.0308211214.17296952@posting.google.c om... MEMRI: http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55603 Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1] Dr. Hilmi: ". Since the Jews make various demands of the Arabs and the world, and claim rights that they base on historical and religious sources, a group of Egyptians in Switzerland has opened the case of the so-called 'great exodus of the Jews from Pharaonic Egypt.' At that time, they stole from the Pharaonic Egyptians gold, jewelry, cooking utensils, silver ornaments, clothing, and more, leaving Egypt in the middle of the night with all this wealth, which today is priceless." Question: "What will the group of Egyptians in Switzerland do about this issue?" Hilmi: "Dr. Gamil Yaken, vice president of the Egyptian community in Switzerland, came to Egypt to collect information. We set up a legal team to prepare the necessary legal confrontation aimed at restoring what the Jews stole a long time ago, to which the statute of limitations cannot possibly apply. Furthermore, [the theft] is based on their holy book, the same source on which they relied when they invaded other peoples. "The Egyptian Pharaoh was surprised one day to discover thousands of Egyptian women crying under the palace balcony, asking for help and complaining that the Jews stole their clothing and jewels, in the greatest collective fraud history has ever known. "The theft was not limited to gold alone. The thieves stole everything imaginable. They emptied the Egyptian homes of cooking utensils. One of the women approached Pharaoh, her eyes downcast, and said that her Jewish neighbor who lived in the house on the right of her house had come to her and asked to borrow her gold items, claiming she had been invited to a wedding. The Jewish neighbor took [the items] and promised to return them the next day. A few minutes later, the neighbor to the left knocked on the door and asked to borrow the cooking utensils, because she was having guests for dinner. Using this same deceitful system, they took possession of all the cooking utensils." Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?" Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold... "A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt, despite its pleasures and even though the Egyptians included them in every activity, due to the Jews' perverse nature, to which the Egyptians had reconciled themselves, though with obvious unwillingness. Therefore, an order was issued by the Jewish rabbis to flee the country, and that the exodus should be secret and under cover of darkness and with the largest possible amount of loot. The code word was 'At midnight.' In addition, the Jewish women were told to steal the gold and cooking utensils of the Egyptian women, and that is what happened." Question: "Did they leave individually or as a group?" Hilmi: "They left in a convoy of 600,000, that is, about 120,000 families. There were a few wagons in the convoy, and a long line of donkeys loaded with the stolen goods. They crossed the desert in the heart of Sinai, in an attempt to confuse Pharaoh's army, which was on their trail. Later they rested and began to count the stolen gold, and discovered that it reached 300,000 kg of gold." Question: "But the Jews can cast doubt on this story with their usual methods. What is the religious evidence you said is in the Torah?" Hilmi:"Naturally, the Jews cast doubt on this story because that is in their interest. But the answer would be that the story is based on what is written in the Torah. It can be found in Exodus, [Chapter] 35, verses 12 through 36." Question: "So what arguments can be made in support of getting back our stolen gold?" Hilmi: "There are two types of claims, one religious and the other legal. From a religious standpoint, all monotheistic religions have called not to steal. It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists. "From a legal standpoint, fleeing with the Egyptians' goods could be for the purpose of borrowing or for the purpose of stealing. If it is for the purpose of borrowing, legally it has a temporary dimension, not a permanent dimension, and therefore they must return [the gold], with interest, to its owners. "On the other hand, if the Jews took the goods from the Egyptians not for the purpose of borrowing it but to keep them for themselves, by legal norms this is theft, and therefore they must return the stolen goods to their owners, in addition to the interest for its use over the entire period of the theft." Question: "What do you think is the value of the gold, silver, and clothing that was stolen, and how do you calculate their value today?" Hilmi: "If we assume that the weight of what was stolen was one ton, [its worth] doubled every 20 years, even if the annual interest is only 5%. In one ton of gold is 700 kg of pure gold - and we must remember that what was stolen was jewelry, that is, alloyed with copper. Hence, after 1,000 years, it would be worth 1,125,898,240 million tons, which equals 1,125,898 billion tons for 1,000 years. In other words, 1,125 trillion tons of gold, that is, a million multiplied by a million tons of gold. This is for one stolen ton. The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large. "The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah." Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?" Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

roy
08-21-2003, 05:06 PM
"Quant" <sptrap2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c47f6b5b.0308211214.17296952@posting.google.c om... MEMRI: http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55603 Question: "It is clear why they stole the gold, but why the cooking utensils?" Hilmi: "Taking posession of the gold was understandable. This is clear theft of a host country's resources and treasure, something that fits the morals and character of the Jews. Yet what was not clear to the Egyptian women were the reasons for stealing the cooking utensils, when other things may have been of greater value. However, one of the Egyptian priets said that this had been the Jews' twisted way throughout history; they seek to cause a minor problem connected with the needs of everyday life so as to occupy people with these matters and prevent them from pursuing them to get back the stolen gold...


Haha. Weren't the 600,00 Jews slaves? I LOVE how the slavekeepers are
referred to as the 'host country'! Like the Hebrew slaves were there for
the Olympics or something.

Hmmm. Someone has stolen all my money and all my cooking utensils. What
should I be more concerned with? Well...damn...I REALLY LIKED that spoon!
Gotta get another SPOON!

Funny stuff, there.

Chas Clements
08-21-2003, 05:58 PM
"Roy" <royhandy@hotmail.com> wrote Haha. Weren't the 600,00 Jews slaves? I LOVE how the slavekeepers are referred to as the 'host country'! Like the Hebrew slaves were there for the Olympics or something.

The Hebrews allowed slavery- and got kinda pissed if the slave stole
anything.
No double standard for a system in which they participated themselves.
The idea of penalties and interest can't really be a question- it kinda
boils down to statute of limitations and hereditary responsibility.
Should be a fun debate.

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Mike J
08-23-2003, 03:38 AM
Hmm,



I was wondering about that. There is somewhere written witness testimony
from Abu Hammas, about them loading all that gold on dump trucks and
leaving.



Also Mahamed Al Musuf mentioned about another legal action: Wrongful death
of Jesus



Brian






"Quant" <sptrap2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c47f6b5b.0308211214.17296952@posting.google.c om... MEMRI: http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD55603 Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [1]

Marianne Luban
08-23-2003, 06:22 AM
"Mike J" <brownTiger@yahoo.stopthespam> wrote in message
news:MuH1b.79452$2x.24991@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t... Hmm, I was wondering about that. There is somewhere written witness testimony from Abu Hammas, about them loading all that gold on dump trucks and leaving.

This is an old one. A commentary to a Biblical text describes how some
Egyptians came before Alexander the Great, demanding that they should be
compensated by the Jews for all the wealth that their forebears had seized
from the land of Egypt a thousand years previous. A certain Gevia ben
Psesia defended this claim before the conqueror, pointing out that, as the
Israelites had not been paid for all the labor they had performed as slaves
of the Egyptians, the score could be tallied as even.
Also Mahamed Al Musuf mentioned about another legal action: Wrongful
death of Jesus

Can't sue the Jews for that one. Crucifixion was a Roman penalty executed
in occupied Judea.



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