Hi, I have very limited knowledge about law and licence agreements..
but I've made it important to read to and truthfully agree with these
agreements whether it's software I'm installing or products I'm
buying/signing up to etc..

Ever since I accidently loaded up Norton for the first time on my
machine (I brought this PC and it was on the HDD but not installed),
and it's on the task bar waiting for me to agree with the licence..

I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this -

6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights:
RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are
commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are
"Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section
2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial
Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are defined in 48
C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(5) and 48 C.F.R. section
252.227-7014(a)(1), and used in 48 C.F.R. section 12.212 and 48 C.F.R.
section 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. section
..............

and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much
information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly
possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to
seriously take on board?

What am I agreeing here to?

"Kevin" <thenewkgb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5860d9ee.0307301200.4976c285@posting.google.c om... Hi, I have very limited knowledge about law and licence agreements.. but I've made it important to read to and truthfully agree with these agreements whether it's software I'm installing or products I'm buying/signing up to etc.. Ever since I accidently loaded up Norton for the first time on my machine (I brought this PC and it was on the HDD but not installed), and it's on the task bar waiting for me to agree with the licence.. I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this - 6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section 2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are defined in 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(5) and 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(1), and used in 48 C.F.R. section 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. section 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. section ............. and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to?

Title 48: Territories and insular possessions.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/#TITLES

Chapter 12: virgin islands
Section 252 does not appear to exist.

From what I have read so far, it would appear that if you live in various
territories such as the virgin islands, then certain laws would also apply
to you.
If any of those items begin with title 48, I doubt if you have to worry
about it.


Legal advice is obtained by hiring an attorney, not in a newsgroup.

thenewkgb@hotmail.com (Kevin) wrote in message news:<5860d9ee.0307301200.4976c285@posting.google.com>... Hi, I have very limited knowledge about law and licence agreements.. but I've made it important to read to and truthfully agree with these agreements whether it's software I'm installing or products I'm buying/signing up to etc.. Ever since I accidently loaded up Norton for the first time on my machine (I brought this PC and it was on the HDD but not installed), and it's on the task bar waiting for me to agree with the licence.. I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this - 6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section 2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are defined in 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(5) and 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(1), and used in 48 C.F.R. section 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. section 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. section ............. and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to?

Ignore Richard.

48 CFR is Federal Acquision Regulations Systems. This has to do with the
fact you can't sue the government for license violation unless they agreed
to it. Following the rules in 48 CFR makes it possible for Norton to
protect their rights even if a government agency uses their product.

"Richard" <anom@anom> wrote in message news:<bg9etr01guo@enews2.newsguy.com>... "Kevin" <thenewkgb@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5860d9ee.0307301200.4976c285@posting.google.c om...
[snip] and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to? Title 48: Territories and insular possessions. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/#TITLES

That's 48 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations), not 48 USC. 48 CFR 252
covers Department of Defense acquisition regulations. This
gobbledygook exists to put Federal government users on notice that the
government did not buy unlimited rights to the software, so government
users have to abide by Symantec's license terms. There's a bazillion
or so of these regulations that companies selling to the Federal
government have to abide by, and they all meant something important to
somebody at some time or another.

--
Chris Green

"Kevin" <thenewkgb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5860d9ee.0307301200.4976c285@posting.google.c om... Hi, I have very limited knowledge about law and licence agreements.. but I've made it important to read to and truthfully agree with these agreements whether it's software I'm installing or products I'm buying/signing up to etc.. Ever since I accidently loaded up Norton for the first time on my machine (I brought this PC and it was on the HDD but not installed), and it's on the task bar waiting for me to agree with the licence.. I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this - 6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section 2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are defined in 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(5) and 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(1), and used in 48 C.F.R. section 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. section 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. section ............. and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to?

I stand corrected.

http://cfr.law.cornell.edu/cfr/cfr.php?title=48&type=part&value=252

http://cfr.law.cornell.edu/cfr/cfr.php?title=48&type=part&value=12

Am I to understand correctly that we have two sets of federal codes with the
same title numbers but different assignments to those code titles?

Kevin wrote:
I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this - 6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section 2.101, [DELETED] and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to?

You're not agreeing to anything. Those clauses are only applicable if you
are purchasing or using the software for a U.S. Federal Government agency

The term "CFR" as they are using refers to the Code of Federal
Regulations, which is the rules government agencies set up with respect to
either actions involving them or their own operations. In this particular
case, none of this applies to you because you are not supplying the
software to a government agency, nor are you acting on behalf of one.

--
Paul Robinson "Above all else... We shall go on..."
"...And continue!"
"If the lessons of history teach us anything it is
that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us."

Richard wrote:
"Kevin" <thenewkgb@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5860d9ee.0307301200.4976c285@posting.google.c om... Hi, I have very limited knowledge about law and licence agreements.. but I've made it important to read to and truthfully agree with these agreements whether it's software I'm installing or products I'm buying/signing up to etc.. Ever since I accidently loaded up Norton for the first time on my machine (I brought this PC and it was on the HDD but not installed), and it's on the task bar waiting for me to agree with the licence.. I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this - 6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section 2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are defined in 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(5) and 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(1), and used in 48 C.F.R. section 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. section 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. section ............. and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to? Title 48: Territories and insular possessions. http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/#TITLES Chapter 12: virgin islands Section 252 does not appear to exist. From what I have read so far, it would appear that if you live in various territories such as the virgin islands, then certain laws would also apply to you.

And again, Mr. Bullis, your complete lack of understanding is so stunning as
to leave me virtually speechless. But I think I have recovered.

You are referring to the U.S. Code (USC). That is the statutory law.
He is referring to the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). That is the
regulatory law.

If you do not know the difference you should not be attempting to answer his
question. Although if you operate a commercial tractor-trailer I would think
you would have to be aware of them in order to comply with motor carrier rules
under the Code of Federal Regulations, established by the Department of
Transportation, as opposed to specific federal statutes relating to vehicles
and their operation, established by Congress.

I think you need to listen more and talk less. It seems like almost every
time you say something here relating to legal matters, you say something which
is totally incorrect, to the point that even I know your statement is facially
wrong, and I'm not even a lawyer!

--
Paul Robinson "Above all else... We shall go on..."
"...And continue!"
"If the lessons of history teach us anything it is
that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us."

Richard wrote:
"Kevin" <thenewkgb@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5860d9ee.0307301200.4976c285@posting.google.c om... Hi, I have very limited knowledge about law and licence agreements.. but I've made it important to read to and truthfully agree with these agreements whether it's software I'm installing or products I'm buying/signing up to etc.. Ever since I accidently loaded up Norton for the first time on my machine (I brought this PC and it was on the HDD but not installed), and it's on the task bar waiting for me to agree with the licence.. I read through and it seems ok to me.. but then I come across this - 6. U.S. Government Restricted Rights: RESTRICTED RIGHTS LEGEND. All Symantec products and documentation are commercial in nature. The software and software documentation are "Commercial Items", as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. section 2.101, consisting of "Commercial Computer Software" and "Commercial Computer Software Documentation", as such terms are defined in 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(5) and 48 C.F.R. section 252.227-7014(a)(1), and used in 48 C.F.R. section 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. section 227.7202, as applicable. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. section ............. and it carries on with these CFR's for some time.. is it too much information to read which is covering Symantec for any silly possiblity that could go wrong.. or is it something I need to seriously take on board? What am I agreeing here to? I stand corrected. http://cfr.law.cornell.edu/cfr/cfr.php?title=48&type=part&value=252 http://cfr.law.cornell.edu/cfr/cfr.php?title=48&type=part&value=12 Am I to understand correctly that we have two sets of federal codes with the same title numbers but different assignments to those code titles?

No, we have the U.S. Code which has its own set of numbers. This is the
statutory laws enacted by Congress and signed by the President of the United
States.

We also have the Code of Federal Regulations which has its own set of numbers.
These are the regulatory laws enacted by government agencies in which they are
published in the Federal Register and Congress does not bother to object to
them, thus they go into effect. They have the force and effect of law - with
some exceptions and nuances only a lawyer would find of much significance - as a
result of Congress granting government agencies the power to create
administrative regulations that have the force and effect of law through the
Administrative Procedure Act of 1949.

--
Paul Robinson "Above all else... We shall go on..."
"...And continue!"
"If the lessons of history teach us anything it is
that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us."