I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment)
using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report
to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to
investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my
permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment
will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police
find the proof? Thanks!

If you call the police and say an unknown person may have peeped on you a
long time ago, what do you think they will say? Police might suggest you
investigate it yourself or hire a private-eye and present evidence of a
crime if you find it. I am not a crime investigator or anything of the sort,
but I know police are stretched WAY too thin for a situation like yours.

"anynm" <anymynm@email.com> wrote in message
news:217f9386.0307220426.2c3ed469@posting.google.c om... I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment) using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police find the proof? Thanks!

"anynm" <anymynm@email.com> wrote in message
news:217f9386.0307220426.2c3ed469@posting.google.c om... I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment) using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police find the proof? Thanks!

Police only investigate criminal acts that have been or are being committed.
how do you know it was an infrared camera? If you know that much you can
identify the person doing it.
If you have detective agencies around, hire one of the hi-tech specialists
and let them do a "sweep" of your home. They will find any devices which are
used to monitor your movements and speech.
They will also look around the immediate area and discover anyone who might
be responsible.
They will act where the police will not.

"anynm" <anymynm@email.com> wrote in message
news:217f9386.0307220426.2c3ed469@posting.google.c om... I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment) using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police find the proof? Thanks!

This sounds like this could be an episode right out NYPD Blues. I can just
see Sipowitz (sp?) listening to this guy go on how people were spying on him
in the past for unknown reasons and can't prove it.

anymynm@email.com (anynm) wrote:
I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment)using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I reportto Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me toinvestigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without mypermission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishmentwill those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if policefind the proof? Thanks!

Apparently you think you're important enough for
someone to spend their valuable time watching -
with expensive equipment to boot. Chances are
good that you're a bona-fide paranoid. Seek
professional advice - no, not legal advice -
medical advice.

BlackWater wrote:
anymynm@email.com (anynm) wrote:I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment)using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I reportto Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me toinvestigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without mypermission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishmentwill those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if policefind the proof? Thanks! Apparently you think you're important enough for someone to spend their valuable time watching - with expensive equipment to boot. Chances are good that you're a bona-fide paranoid.

No person is a bona-fide paranoid. Paranoia is something a person may think
about, usually when a person has gone several days straight without sleep.

To prosecute a case or file a civil lawsuit, a person requires factual
evidence like affidavits. An affidavit cannot contain any opinion or
speculation, but only facts.

If a person does not have facts, but only has opinion and speculation, then
there is no case and the person is best to forget about the whole thing.

"BlackWater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote Apparently you think you're important enough for someone to spend their valuable time watching -

maybe she has a great ***.
They used to call them 'peeping toms', but I don't know if that's changed.
with expensive equipment to boot.

Everybody's got to have a hobby, and that surplus Soviet stuff is getting
cheaper all the time.
Chances are good that you're a bona-fide paranoid.

So, if your 15 yr. old daughter said that someone was watching her, you'd
assume mental illness?

Chas

In article <9mcTa.277675$_w.10536158@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "B"
<nospamblam@nc.rr.com> wrote:
If you call the police and say an unknown person may have peeped on you a long time ago, what do you think they will say? Police might suggest you investigate it yourself or hire a private-eye and present evidence of a crime if you find it. I am not a crime investigator or anything of the sort, but I know police are stretched WAY too thin for a situation like yours.


Ain't that the truth. They don't investigate burglaries or juves unless
they get there while they are in progress. Drugs are different, they can
keep your car or house if they get a conviction. That's motivation.

"anynm" <anymynm@email.com> wrote in message news:217f9386.0307220426.2c3ed469@posting.google.c om... I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment) using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police find the proof? Thanks!

Social Americans <sa@no.spam.less> wrote:
BlackWater wrote: anymynm@email.com (anynm) wrote:I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment)using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I reportto Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me toinvestigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without mypermission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishmentwill those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if policefind the proof? Thanks! Apparently you think you're important enough for someone to spend their valuable time watching - with expensive equipment to boot. Chances are good that you're a bona-fide paranoid.No person is a bona-fide paranoid. Paranoia is something a person may thinkabout, usually when a person has gone several days straight without sleep.

I'd argue (successfully) that 'paranoia' is a
state of mind which compels a person to interpret
information very differently than the average Joe -
obsessively fitting disconnected events into an
internally-generated erroneous "threat picture".

It is a failure of the brains pattern-detection
mechanisms, sharing characteristics with temporal-
lobe epilepsy or lesions, but with a strong state
of fear added to the equation. Such a state is
appropriate during short-term threat scenerios and
enhances survival. However, stuck in the 'ON' state,
it becomes a pathology dangerous to the victim and
sometimes to his neighbors.
To prosecute a case or file a civil lawsuit, a person requires factualevidence like affidavits. An affidavit cannot contain any opinion orspeculation, but only facts.If a person does not have facts, but only has opinion and speculation, thenthere is no case and the person is best to forget about the whole thing.

But this person will NOT "forget about the whole thing".
He's convinced people are spying on him constantly. Now
it MAY be a bored, nosy neighbor with some high-tech
toys to play with ... but more likely it's a paranoid
delusion.

What paranoids fail to ask themselves is "Why am *I*
important enough for evil entities to spend endless
days conspiring against me ?". There's an element of
ego in paranoia, an exaggerated sense of self-relevance.
To admit that nobody is watching is to admit that they
are insignificant.

"Chas Clements" <c.clements@comcast.net> wrote:
"BlackWater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote Apparently you think you're important enough for someone to spend their valuable time watching -maybe she has a great ***.They used to call them 'peeping toms', but I don't know if that's changed.

Nah ... you can't get a crisp image through
infrared imagers.
with expensive equipment to boot.Everybody's got to have a hobby, and that surplus Soviet stuff is gettingcheaper all the time.

Not thermal imagers. Try www.x20.org and look at
the prices.

Besides ... not the sense of certain knowledge that
someone was watching him/her WITH that sort of device
even though there's no confirming evidence.
Chances are good that you're a bona-fide paranoid.So, if your 15 yr. old daughter said that someone was watching her, you'dassume mental illness?

Depends on HOW she said it.

On 22 Jul 2003 05:26:08 -0700, anymynm@email.com (anynm) wrote:

:^) I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment)
:^) using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report
:^) to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to
:^) investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my
:^) permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment
:^) will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police
:^) find the proof? Thanks!

You found but no proof ? That means verbal from a "friend" .
Consider it may be joke on you to rattle your cage that apparently succeeded .
Police need evidence to know what to investigate . Fresh evidence best -not old stuff, not heresay .
Punishment means you have to prove criminal intent or if determined to becivil matter
you have to prove "tort" and "liability", either case the court determines punishment, if any, not you .
May be extra-terrestrial aliens - ask at - alt.alien.research - maybe someone there has info.
Even if not info there are people there qualified to assist you .

Infra-red requires line of sight. Put a curtain over your window(s). [not your M$Windoze]
Find a curtain that is thin layer of foam with aluminized backing.
Like hotel supply catalogue may offer. Aluminized side faces out, cloth side shows in room.
Or make your own with foam sheathing material and aluminum foil
or sheathing with foil already applied at building supply store.
Cover the walls also as between apts., townhouses or even condos you may find only
studs and 5/8" fire rated drywall are required instead of four hour ratedconcrete block
That is - eight hour between buildings, four hour between individual units.

Or just build an enclosure from same sheathing around where your hot activity takes place.
Be sure to use metal blade fan to circulate air as that will fake out theIR camera .

I once asked lawyer friend what means "tort".
He replied lots of legal mumbo-jumbo.
One word accurate all-inclusive definition - tort means injury. (involving liability.)
Damaged = injured, etc, from M.E./Latin - see below.

From the AHD CDROM talking dictionary: A great source of information.USD$10 at leading software retailers
QUOTE
tort (tôrt) n. Law. Damage, injury, or a wrongful act done willfully, negligently, or in circumstances involving strict liability, but not
involving breach of contract, for which a civil suit can be brought. [Middle English, injury, from Old French, from Medieval Latin tortum,
from Latin, neuter past participle of torquere, to twist. See terkw- below.]
————————————————————
terkw-. Important derivatives are: queer, thwart, torch, torment, torque1, tortuous, distort, extort, nasturtium, retort1.
terkw-. To twist. Extension of ter…-1. 1. Possible variant form *t(w)erk-. a. QUEER, from Middle Low German dwer, oblique; b. THWART, from
Old Norse thverr, transverse. Both a and b from Germanic *thwerh-, twisted, oblique. 2. Suffixed
END QUOTE
They don't mention "twerp", though, LOL .

Paranoia is fear of unreal threat. If threat is real - is not paranoia.
I think poster suggesting your threat is unreal may be correct.
Select nice female middle aged psychiatrist - they're most qualified for your case.
Preferably unmarried and not a dyke. One who do business from home
or street corner offer the lowest rates and the most satisfaction.
HTH

On 22 Jul 2003 05:26:08 -0700, anymynm@email.com (anynm) wrote:
I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment)using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I reportto Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me toinvestigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without mypermission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishmentwill those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if policefind the proof? Thanks!

What do you expect them to do without evidence and after the fact? If
you knew it was going on, you sould have contected them then and it
should have been easy enough. But now? May be pretty difficult even
to demonstrate it was being done.

Also, depending on how it's done and where, eavesdropping isn't
necessarily a crime. I doubt that anyone would be in trouble for
videotaping your door from another property or from the street. It's
not illegal to watch someone, if it were investoigators (even private)
couldn't do their jobs legally.

Frankly, the best way to handle such things is to feed the perp bogus
info and set them up.

William R. James

BlackWater wrote:
Social Americans <sa@no.spam.less> wrote:BlackWater wrote: anymynm@email.com (anynm) wrote: >I find someone was eavesdropping and monitoring my home (apartment) >using infrared camera. I have moved to another apartment? Can I report >to Police even if I don't have proof? Can Police help me to >investigate who were eavesdropping and monitoring my home without my >permission when I lived in the old places? Usually, what punishment >will those people who eavesdropped and monitored my home get if police >find the proof? Thanks! Apparently you think you're important enough for someone to spend their valuable time watching - with expensive equipment to boot. Chances are good that you're a bona-fide paranoid.No person is a bona-fide paranoid. Paranoia is something a person may thinkabout, usually when a person has gone several days straight without sleep. I'd argue (successfully) that 'paranoia' is a state of mind which compels a person to interpret information very differently than the average Joe -

A person chooses to take little things he's seen on television and then dwell on
them to the point where he makes a stupid statement about them. With the amount
of wacky TV shows on, anyone can theorize about such nonsense, especially kids.
It's quite normal

It becomes a problem when it interferes with the person's life, where the best
way to resolve this problem is to not watch so much television.

Nothing makes or compels a person to repeat something he's read about or seen on
a TV program. A person chooses to. It can be considered rude to do so.

If it becomes a problem, the person should have more self-control. He might do
well to study the law books since this person did ask about the law in his
original post.

As for trying to "imagine" this person has some other problems, perhaps with
obeying the law, I don't think this is wise. He could be joking in his post. It
could be a young kid, or a person who has gone several days straight without
sleep, where then it would be wise to seek medical help. But the problem
wouldn't be in his making the statement, since that is Freedom of Speech under
the U.S. Constitution. It would be the serious sleep loss that is the real
problem.

Any person who goes several days straight without sleep will say something dumb,
or may comment on something funny from a television program. If the sleep loss
is substantial then hospitalization, lithium carbonate and sleeping medication
is very helpful, sometimes required to bring back proper sleep and good health
again.