http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240

The best things in life don’t come easy, and having a child is no exception.
Adopting a child can be an emotionally traumatic experience—one for which
adoptive families aren’t always prepared. Families who have adopted say the
hardest thing is the realization that the birth mother could change her mind.

Gina Betts and her husband, Ken, had three birth mothers change their minds in
one year—something adoption experts say is uncommon at respectable agencies
that provide adequate counseling to pregnant women. While Betts finally did
have a successful adoption outcome—her son Jack is now 3—she said the
experience of birth mothers changing their minds beforehand, including one who
allegedly sold her baby, “was so bad it could have been a TV show.�

"Jbj4712" <jbj4712@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040212202716.14252.00000673@mb-m01.aol.com... http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240 The best things in life don't come easy, and having a child is no
exception. Adopting a child can be an emotionally traumatic experience-one for which adoptive families aren't always prepared. Families who have adopted say
the hardest thing is the realization that the birth mother could change her
mind. Gina Betts and her husband, Ken, had three birth mothers change their
minds in one year-something adoption experts say is uncommon at respectable
agencies that provide adequate counseling to pregnant women. While Betts finally
did have a successful adoption outcome-her son Jack is now 3-she said the experience of birth mothers changing their minds beforehand, including one
who allegedly sold her baby, "was so bad it could have been a TV show."

OK, I hate to say thisk, Tom, but thanks for the link. What boo-hoo-hoo
story. This is almost enough to gag Edna Gladney. And Hope Cottage.
Anybody who delves into its past might find some interesting things.

Marley

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:18:15 GMT, "Marley Greiner"
<maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
"Jbj4712" <jbj4712@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:20040212202716.14252.00000673@mb-m01.aol.com... http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240


From the article..
“The birth mother knew from day one that she was going to give this child up. She was so mature,” Chelle said.

Everyone wants to be mature...
To try to avoid the potential heartache of a birth mother changing her mind, says Chelle, “you have to go with your gut.” Chelle describes a long list of things she and her husband and the birth parents of their son had in common, such as playing the same sports in high school and having a dog rather than a cat, which the birth mother is allergic to. The two couples clicked. “She [the birth mother] really was the right fit for us,” said Chelle.The bottom line in adoption is that it’s a stressful, uncertain and emotional time in which the adoptive parents have little control. But picking a good agency combined with patience and perseverance gives virtually all capable couples the chance to become happy adoptive parents.A successful adoption “tends to come together when everything is right,” said Utley.


What hubris..


Jackie

> OK, I hate to say thisk, Tom, but thanks for the link. What boo-hoo-hoo story. This is almost enough to gag Edna Gladney. And Hope Cottage. Anybody who delves into its past might find some interesting things. Marley

The thing I find most interesting is the way some of these agencies
change their legal identity about every five years. Gladney for
example has had an amazing amount of identity changes. Each new
identity will include the word Gladney somewhere in it so the
reputation of the old Gladney can follow along to the new Gladney.
But by changing the name a bit, getting new federal and state ID
numbers, literally, and simutaniously closing down, ending the
existance of the old Gladney and starting a new one, they can avoid
any liability issues for past civil crimes. For example, when in the
past mothers were threatened with having to pay the maternity home
$10,000.00 for the services that home had provided them, if they did
not follow through with the adoption, and they refused to allow them
to see there baby without either the $10,000 payment or a signed
relinquishment, after a few years go buy, and the mothers come to
realize it was criminal, they can not sue the agency, because that
agency no longer exists. True there is still an agency at that
location, and that agency has her files in their possession, and the
name of that agency is almost the same as the one who stole her baby,
but legally, the agency that did it to her died and it's clone is not
responsible.

Yes Marley, there are a lot of interesting things to be found when you
look into the past of these places.

Jackie wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:18:15 GMT, "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:"Jbj4712" <jbj4712@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:20040212202716.14252.00000673@mb-m01.aol.com...http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240 From the article..“The birth mother knew from day one that she was going to give this child up. She was so mature,” Chelle said. Everyone wants to be mature...To try to avoid the potential heartache of a birth mother changing her mind, says Chelle, “you have to go with your gut.” Chelle describes a long list of things she and her husband and the birth parents of their son had in common, such as playing the same sports in high school and having a dog rather than a cat, which the birth mother is allergic to. The two couples clicked. “She [the birth mother] really was the right fit for us,” said Chelle.The bottom line in adoption is that it’s a stressful, uncertain and emotional time in which the adoptive parents have little control. But picking a good agency combined with patience and perseverance gives virtually all capable couples the chance to become happy adoptive parents.A successful adoption “tends to come together when everything is right,” said Utley. What hubris.. Jackie

What a gentile way to describe what is really just a...

S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T
__________________________________________________ _________________

>Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!From: "pb..." woodlark-99@newsguy.comDate: 2/21/04 9:35 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c181cc127nu@enews3.newsguy.com>
What a gentile way to describe what is really just a...S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T

Gentile? LOL!


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LilMtnCbn wrote:
Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!From: "pb..." woodlark-99@newsguy.comDate: 2/21/04 9:35 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c181cc127nu@enews3.newsguy.com>What a gentile way to describe what is really just a...S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T Gentile? LOL!

I was, of course, referring to Jackie's "gentile use of the word
hubris."

pb...

in article c18tr2015t@enews1.newsguy.com, pb... at woodlark-99@newsguy.com
wrote on 22/2/04 12:41 am:
LilMtnCbn wrote: Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah! From: "pb..." woodlark-99@newsguy.com Date: 2/21/04 9:35 AM Mountain Standard Time Message-id: <c181cc127nu@enews3.newsguy.com> What a gentile way to describe what is really just a... S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T Gentile? LOL!

I was, of course, referring to Jackie's "gentile use of the word hubris." pb...

As opposed to genteel?

Of course either could be a perfectly correct usage dependent on the
context.

Gentile \Gen"tile\, n. [L. gentilis belonging to the same clan,
stock, race, people, or nation; in opposition to Roman, a
foreigner; in opposition to Jew or Christian, a heathen: cf.
F. gentil. See {Gentle}, a.]
One of a non-Jewish nation; one neither a Jew nor a
Christian; a worshiper of false gods; a heathen.

Syn: Pagan; heathen. See {Pagan}.


Gentile \Gen"tile\, a.
1. Belonging to the nations at large, as distinguished from
the Jews; ethnic; of pagan or heathen people.

2. (Gram.) Denoting a race or country; as, a gentile noun or
adjective.

(Webster's)


Genteel \Gen*teel"\, a. [F. gentil noble, pretty, graceful. See
{Gentle}.]
1. Possessing or exhibiting the qualities popularly regarded
as belonging to high birth and breeding; free from
vulgarity, or lowness of taste or behavior; adapted to a
refined or cultivated taste; polite; well-bred; as,
genteel company, manners, address.

2. Graceful in mien or form; elegant in appearance, dress, or
manner; as, the lady has a genteel person. Law.

3. Suited to the position of lady or a gentleman; as, to live
in a genteel allowance.

Syn: Polite; well-bred; refined; polished.

(Webster's)


Sorry Patty, not trying to pick holes genuinely wondering what you meant,
much more strange was Jackie's use of the word "hubris" of course.

hu·bris n
1. excessive pride or arrogance
2. the excessive pride and ambition that usually leads to the downfall of
a hero in classical tragedy

Encarta® World English Dictionary © 1999 Microsoft Corporation.


Robin

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:35:24 -0800, "pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com>
wrote:
Jackie wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:18:15 GMT, "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:"Jbj4712" <jbj4712@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:20040212202716.14252.00000673@mb-m01.aol.com...>>http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240 From the article..“The birth mother knew from day one that she was going to give this child up. She was so mature,” Chelle said. Everyone wants to be mature...To try to avoid the potential heartache of a birth mother changing her mind, says Chelle, “you have to go with your gut.” Chelle describes a long list of things she and her husband and the birth parents of their son had in common, such as playing the same sports in high school and having a dog rather than a cat, which the birth mother is allergic to. The two couples clicked. “She [the birth mother] really was the right fit for us,” said Chelle.The bottom line in adoption is that it’s a stressful, uncertain and emotional time in which the adoptive parents have little control. But picking a good agency combined with patience and perseverance gives virtually all capable couples the chance to become happy adoptive parents.A successful adoption “tends to come together when everything is right,” said Utley. What hubris.. JackieWhat a gentile way to describe what is really just a...S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T_________________________________________________ __________________

And then we are blamed.. By some..

Bait and switch.. And correct the darn spelling..

Jackie

in article 62eh30dftl2lds6fsuchjqsfj1a5t5ok2p@4ax.com, Jackie at
forgetit@me.com wrote on 22/2/04 2:11 pm:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:35:24 -0800, "pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com> wrote: Jackie wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:18:15 GMT, "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:> "Jbj4712" <jbj4712@aol.com> wrote in message> news:20040212202716.14252.00000673@mb-m01.aol.com...>>>>> http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240 From the article..> “The birth mother knew from day one that she was going to give this child> up. She was so mature,” Chelle said. Everyone wants to be mature...> To try to avoid the potential heartache of a birth mother changing her> mind, says Chelle, “you have to go with your gut.” Chelle describes a long> list of things she and her husband and the birth parents of their son had> in common, such as playing the same sports in high school and having a dog> rather than a cat, which the birth mother is allergic to. The two couples> clicked. “She [the birth mother] really was the right fit for us,” said> Chelle.>> The bottom line in adoption is that it’s a stressful, uncertain and> emotional time in which the adoptive parents have little control. But> picking a good agency combined with patience and perseverance gives> virtually all capable couples the chance to become happy adoptive parents.>> A successful adoption “tends to come together when everything is right,”> said Utley. What hubris.. Jackie What a gentile way to describe what is really just a... S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T __________________________________________________ _________________ And then we are blamed.. By some.. Bait and switch.. And correct the darn spelling.. Jackie

You spelled hubris just fine Jackie, I think Patty was trying to point out
that to label what was written, as the dramatic device of hubris, was
somewhat of an understatement at the very least.

Robin

>Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!From: Robin Harritt karakoram@postadoption.infoDate: 2/22/04 5:14 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <BC5E318F.34E91%karakoram@postadoption.info>in article c18tr2015t@enews1.newsguy.com, pb... at woodlark-99@newsguy.comwrote on 22/2/04 12:41 am: LilMtnCbn wrote:> Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!> From: "pb..." woodlark-99@newsguy.com> Date: 2/21/04 9:35 AM Mountain Standard Time> Message-id: <c181cc127nu@enews3.newsguy.com>> What a gentile way to describe what is really just a...>> S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T Gentile? LOL!


Oh goy. Last month, in an incredible display of stoopidity, I ordered
several pizzas (some with meat) to be delivered to our adoption support group
monthly meeting at the Jewish Family Community Center.

Dad

Robin Harritt wrote: in article 62eh30dftl2lds6fsuchjqsfj1a5t5ok2p@4ax.com, Jackie at forgetit@me.com wrote on 22/2/04 2:11 pm:On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:35:24 -0800, "pb..." <woodlark-99@newsguy.com>wrote:Jackie wrote:>On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:18:15 GMT, "Marley Greiner"><maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:>>>>>"Jbj4712" <jbj4712@aol.com> wrote in message>>news:20040212202716.14252.00000673@mb-m01.aol.com...>>>>>>>http://www.peoplenewspapers.com/FrontPageArticle.asp?ArticleId=240>>>>From the article..>>>>>“The birth mother knew from day one that she was going to give this child>>up. She was so mature,” Chelle said.>>>Everyone wants to be mature...>>>>>To try to avoid the potential heartache of a birth mother changing her>>mind, says Chelle, “you have to go with your gut.” Chelle describes a long>>list of things she and her husband and the birth parents of their son had>>in common, such as playing the same sports in high school and having a dog>>rather than a cat, which the birth mother is allergic to. The two couples>>clicked. “She [the birth mother] really was the right fit for us,” said>>Chelle.>>>>The bottom line in adoption is that it’s a stressful, uncertain and>>emotional time in which the adoptive parents have little control. But>>picking a good agency combined with patience and perseverance gives>>virtually all capable couples the chance to become happy adoptive parents.>>>>A successful adoption “tends to come together when everything is right,”>>said Utley.>>>>What hubris..>>>JackieWhat a gentile way to describe what is really just a...S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T_________________________________________________ __________________And then we are blamed.. By some..Bait and switch.. And correct the darn spelling..Jackie You spelled hubris just fine Jackie, I think Patty was trying to point out that to label what was written, as the dramatic device of hubris, was somewhat of an understatement at the very least. Robin

Thank you, Robin. I will respond to this lesser criticism<g>. I'll say
again that the original remarks - which Jackie referred to as hubris -
are:


really just a...

S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T
__________________________________________________ _________________

Nothing genteel about wither, actually. ;-)

pb...


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"There are still some people looking for work because of the
recession."
--GWB in Pennsylvania, 2/12/04

AdoptaDad wrote:
Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!From: Robin Harritt karakoram@postadoption.infoDate: 2/22/04 5:14 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <BC5E318F.34E91%karakoram@postadoption.info>in article c18tr2015t@enews1.newsguy.com, pb... at woodlark-99@newsguy.comwrote on 22/2/04 12:41 am:LilMtnCbn wrote:>>Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!>>From: "pb..." woodlark-99@newsguy.com>>Date: 2/21/04 9:35 AM Mountain Standard Time>>Message-id: <c181cc127nu@enews3.newsguy.com>>>>>What a gentile way to describe what is really just a...>>>>S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I T>>>Gentile? LOL! Oh goy. Last month, in an incredible display of stoopidity, I ordered several pizzas (some with meat) to be delivered to our adoption support group monthly meeting at the Jewish Family Community Center. Dad

With cheese, I suppose? ;-)

pb...

In article <20040221163930.10302.00000115@mb-m03.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: RESPECTABLE agencies brainwash bmoms! Hah!From: "pb..." woodlark-99@newsguy.comDate: 2/21/04 9:35 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c181cc127nu@enews3.newsguy.com>What a gentile way to describe what is really just a...S T E A M I N G P I L E O F D O G S H I TGentile? LOL!

Oy vey! What schmaltz! ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
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