In us.legal Carlos Saenz <solrac@enola.net> wrote:
My claim of innocence is not meaningless. But what matters is the prosecutor's claim of guilt, and THEY need to prove it. I don't need to prove my innocence. They need to prove that I KNEW the check was bad,

Knowledge can be inferred.


AND that I forged the check myself. Can they prove this stuff? NO! (Unless they are super-corrupt, forge all the evidence, and force the judge's decision.)

You ARE naive, eh?


Wrong, moron. Those cases were posted here well after my arrest and prove my innocence, since we are all victims of a scam. But yes, I am hiring a lawyer to take this fact and make it concrete useable evidence in my favor.

Good luck. You've admitted your knowledge of the scams. It will be
impossible to refute that you didn't know until recently.

Your best bet is to STFU.

The only way to prove that would be to prove that I read about the same scam before I got arrested. Impossible, because I didn't.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You, the accused criminal, will need to refute the
allegation that you knew. Who will the judge believe?

Nope. If I told you once I told you a thousand times. After the transaction was complete I would have remained with exactly $1400. The price of my piano. And my piano would be out of my house. Even if the check cleared I wouldn't have touched any of the money until someone came to pick up my piano.

Keep in mind that shipping a cheap piano to Nigeria looks pretty fishy to
begin with. It makes no sense whatsoever. This fact alone will convince
many people that you were complicit.

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In article <bdc997$i71$2@reader1.panix.com>,
<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote:In us.legal Carlos Saenz <solrac@enola.net> wrote: My claim of innocence is not meaningless. But what matters is the prosecutor's claim of guilt, and THEY need to prove it. I don't need to prove my innocence. They need to prove that I KNEW the check was bad,Knowledge can be inferred.

Except if the scam had worked, the original poster would have been the
_victim_.
Your best bet is to STFU.

That's true.
The only way to prove that would be to prove that I read about the same scam before I got arrested. Impossible, because I didn't.Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You, the accused criminal, will need to refute theallegation that you knew. Who will the judge believe?

If he knew about the scam, why would he try to deposit a check that
was only going to bounce (slowly) and cost him money?
Keep in mind that shipping a cheap piano to Nigeria looks pretty fishy tobegin with.

He said the check was from Texas, not Nigeria. If he's in California,
shipping a piano to Texas might be reasonable.

Seth

In us.politics Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com> wrote:
Except if the scam had worked, the original poster would have been the _victim_.

How do you figure?

If he knew about the scam, why would he try to deposit a check that was only going to bounce (slowly) and cost him money?

Good question. Likely a side deal to be compensated for helping to
launder the money by playing the hapless victim?
Keep in mind that shipping a cheap piano to Nigeria looks pretty fishy tobegin with.
He said the check was from Texas, not Nigeria. If he's in California, shipping a piano to Texas might be reasonable.

the check was from Texas. The buyey was in Nigeria.

--
Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe...
-Lennon/McCartney

In article <bddgms$3s3$1@reader1.panix.com>,
<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote:In us.politics Seth Breidbart <sethb@panix.com> wrote: Except if the scam had worked, the original poster would have been the _victim_.How do you figure?

The way the scam works, he gets a check for more than the price. The
sender asks for a refund, which he sends (thinking the check
cleared). The check then bounces (I don't know what tricks the
scammers use to make that happen more slowly than usual; Abagnale's
book has a few that at least used to work) and the bank collects from
him.
If he knew about the scam, why would he try to deposit a check that was only going to bounce (slowly) and cost him money?Good question. Likely a side deal to be compensated for helping tolaunder the money by playing the hapless victim?

The bank will still collect from him unless he's bankrupt.
Keep in mind that shipping a cheap piano to Nigeria looks pretty fishy tobegin with. He said the check was from Texas, not Nigeria. If he's in California, shipping a piano to Texas might be reasonable.the check was from Texas. The buyey was in Nigeria.

I didn't see that. He did make some comment about somebody _picking
up_ the piano, so perhaps its final destination wasn't Nigeria.

Seth