At the suggestion of my attorney I went to watch a 341 hearing at the
local courthouse. He felt that it would make me more comfortable with
the process.

and here is what happened............

OK, I find a parking spot in front of the court and I realize that I
only have enough change on hand to get 38 minutes on the meter (geez,
what a rip, only 12 minutes for a quarter). So I go in to the court
house, go down to the basement, buy a pack of gum, and then drop more
change in which gets me to just over an hour.

I go into the room, Its just 9AM. I sit there and wait, and wait, and
wait. The room fills up with people, but no trustee in sight.
Finally at 9:45 he shows up. He does what I assume to be a standard
opening, then calls the first person. She goes up there, he asks her
questions, she is there about 5 minutes. A lot of the questions he is
asking are about some business and holdings she had. OK, so the next
guy goes up. So by now its just about time for my meter to have run
out, and I am contemplating whether or not to run down and get more
change. So the trustee is having his way with this guy and his
attorney, who apparently did not realize that if belongings are in an
individuals name, and he is declaring bankruptcy on those items, that
you can't claim a spouse has a half interest, so therefore all his
amounts are wrong, they are all half what they should be. This guy
had some business that was going bankrupt and there was all this to-do
about his inventory blah blah. So THEN, the trustee asks if there are
any creditors, and like three people jump up and run up there. So at
this point it is becoming very apparent to me that this guy is going
to take a while. So I get up and try to go to the basement to get
more change.

Well, the elevator would not take me to the basement for some reason.
So I got frustrated waiting and go back up thinking that maybe that
guy is done, and I can squeeze out a few more viewings before bolting
back to my car hopefully ahead of the parking ticket. But the guy is
still up there with his group. And on top of that, most of the seats
in the room are taken, and if I try to stand at the back I can't hear
sh*t, defeating the whole purpose.

So, I go down to the clerks office to ask when the next hearing will
be, figuring I can come better prepared with change and a book for the
wait. Well my lord, you would have thought I was asking for top
secret information! She starts giving me these really vague answers
about how they don't know, its based on the trustee schedule blah
blah..... So I had to get creative, because I wasn't sure if despite
the fact that this woman works here, maybe she isn't understanding me
(not an altogether crazy thought considering what idiots state workers
have a tendency to be). If she didn't understand, then she was just
being difficult, which I wouldn't put past a state worker either. So
I am like (in slow motion) "that meeting, that is occuring right there
down the hall, when is the next one?". And she is all like "I am not
sure, we don't know that here". Then I am like "do they happen every
day?" (I knew that they didn't, but I was going somewhere with this).
So she is like "no, they don't happen every day". So then I am like
"Is there one tommorrow?", and she says "no", and then she looks at a
sheet of paper that is sitting on the counter directly in front of her
and says there is one on Monday. If necessary I fully intended to ask
about each day until I hit a date when there was one. Why all the
cloak and dagger bull****? They are public hearings for gods sake!

So I leave the building and walk briskly to my car. The meter has run
out, but in an odd twist of good luck in an otherwise Luck Free day,
there was no ticket.

Well, I wasn't able to go on Monday, the weather was too terrible to
even contemplate going out. So I have tried calling the clerks office
every day since to find out when the next one is, and they just keep
doing the vague shuffling thing, and I get no where. Can anyone
please tell me what is going on here?

On 17 Dec 2003 12:38:06 -0800, cappucine <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote:
: even contemplate going out. So I have tried calling the clerks office
: every day since to find out when the next one is, and they just keep
: doing the vague shuffling thing, and I get no where. Can anyone
: please tell me what is going on here?

Your attorney can tell you this. Ask him or her how to access 341
meeting schedules in your district. In my district they're all
online.

Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that
asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?"
Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? FTR, most of my bills are medical
(heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes and a
few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken
shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic
seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours) and
this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. My hubby is our sole support.
Our bankruptcy has been extended for 4 more months because the trustee
thinks we have assets in an old car (1995) that we owe as much as it's worth
on. Dunno what these folks are smokin' but at least my excuse for daffiness
is the 19 prescriptions that I take daily to keep me alive and kickin' for
now. The stress has been unbearable but your post made me chuckle.
Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a public
employee:) Maybe after I regain the use of my writing arm and get my right
knee replaced, I can get a job there, LOL. BTW, we actually do have an
attorney. Can't imagine how this could be worse!

Wendy


"cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
news:84999b25.0312171238.6bfae9d0@posting.google.c om... At the suggestion of my attorney I went to watch a 341 hearing at the local courthouse. He felt that it would make me more comfortable with the process. and here is what happened............ OK, I find a parking spot in front of the court and I realize that I only have enough change on hand to get 38 minutes on the meter (geez, what a rip, only 12 minutes for a quarter). So I go in to the court house, go down to the basement, buy a pack of gum, and then drop more change in which gets me to just over an hour. I go into the room, Its just 9AM. I sit there and wait, and wait, and wait. The room fills up with people, but no trustee in sight. Finally at 9:45 he shows up. He does what I assume to be a standard opening, then calls the first person. She goes up there, he asks her questions, she is there about 5 minutes. A lot of the questions he is asking are about some business and holdings she had. OK, so the next guy goes up. So by now its just about time for my meter to have run out, and I am contemplating whether or not to run down and get more change. So the trustee is having his way with this guy and his attorney, who apparently did not realize that if belongings are in an individuals name, and he is declaring bankruptcy on those items, that you can't claim a spouse has a half interest, so therefore all his amounts are wrong, they are all half what they should be. This guy had some business that was going bankrupt and there was all this to-do about his inventory blah blah. So THEN, the trustee asks if there are any creditors, and like three people jump up and run up there. So at this point it is becoming very apparent to me that this guy is going to take a while. So I get up and try to go to the basement to get more change. Well, the elevator would not take me to the basement for some reason. So I got frustrated waiting and go back up thinking that maybe that guy is done, and I can squeeze out a few more viewings before bolting back to my car hopefully ahead of the parking ticket. But the guy is still up there with his group. And on top of that, most of the seats in the room are taken, and if I try to stand at the back I can't hear sh*t, defeating the whole purpose. So, I go down to the clerks office to ask when the next hearing will be, figuring I can come better prepared with change and a book for the wait. Well my lord, you would have thought I was asking for top secret information! She starts giving me these really vague answers about how they don't know, its based on the trustee schedule blah blah..... So I had to get creative, because I wasn't sure if despite the fact that this woman works here, maybe she isn't understanding me (not an altogether crazy thought considering what idiots state workers have a tendency to be). If she didn't understand, then she was just being difficult, which I wouldn't put past a state worker either. So I am like (in slow motion) "that meeting, that is occuring right there down the hall, when is the next one?". And she is all like "I am not sure, we don't know that here". Then I am like "do they happen every day?" (I knew that they didn't, but I was going somewhere with this). So she is like "no, they don't happen every day". So then I am like "Is there one tommorrow?", and she says "no", and then she looks at a sheet of paper that is sitting on the counter directly in front of her and says there is one on Monday. If necessary I fully intended to ask about each day until I hit a date when there was one. Why all the cloak and dagger bull****? They are public hearings for gods sake! So I leave the building and walk briskly to my car. The meter has run out, but in an odd twist of good luck in an otherwise Luck Free day, there was no ticket. Well, I wasn't able to go on Monday, the weather was too terrible to even contemplate going out. So I have tried calling the clerks office every day since to find out when the next one is, and they just keep doing the vague shuffling thing, and I get no where. Can anyone please tell me what is going on here?

The Trustee's meetings are run solely by the Trustees. They aren't scheduled
by the court, and the court clerks have no idea what times they are held. In
many states (such as where I practice, in Maryland and DC), they aren't even
held at the courthouse.

Your best bet to find out when they are schedules is to call one of the
trustees.

--
Brett

************************************************** ***************
* Personal Injury/Malpractice Bankruptcy *
* *
* BRETT WEISS, P.C. *
* Attorneys at Law *
* Maryland, D.C. and Federal Bars *
* lawyer@erols.com *
* http://www.erols.com/lawyer *
* *
* Small Business Estates & Estate Planning *
************************************************** ***************

The Small Print: This response is for discussion purposes only. It isn't
meant to be legal advice and you shouldn't treat it as such. If you want
legal advice, speak with a local lawyer familiar with your state's laws who
can review *all* of the facts and the law applicable to your situation.
************************************************** ***************


"cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
news:84999b25.0312171238.6bfae9d0@posting.google.c om... At the suggestion of my attorney I went to watch a 341 hearing at the local courthouse. He felt that it would make me more comfortable with the process. and here is what happened............ OK, I find a parking spot in front of the court and I realize that I only have enough change on hand to get 38 minutes on the meter (geez, what a rip, only 12 minutes for a quarter). So I go in to the court house, go down to the basement, buy a pack of gum, and then drop more change in which gets me to just over an hour. I go into the room, Its just 9AM. I sit there and wait, and wait, and wait. The room fills up with people, but no trustee in sight. Finally at 9:45 he shows up. He does what I assume to be a standard opening, then calls the first person. She goes up there, he asks her questions, she is there about 5 minutes. A lot of the questions he is asking are about some business and holdings she had. OK, so the next guy goes up. So by now its just about time for my meter to have run out, and I am contemplating whether or not to run down and get more change. So the trustee is having his way with this guy and his attorney, who apparently did not realize that if belongings are in an individuals name, and he is declaring bankruptcy on those items, that you can't claim a spouse has a half interest, so therefore all his amounts are wrong, they are all half what they should be. This guy had some business that was going bankrupt and there was all this to-do about his inventory blah blah. So THEN, the trustee asks if there are any creditors, and like three people jump up and run up there. So at this point it is becoming very apparent to me that this guy is going to take a while. So I get up and try to go to the basement to get more change. Well, the elevator would not take me to the basement for some reason. So I got frustrated waiting and go back up thinking that maybe that guy is done, and I can squeeze out a few more viewings before bolting back to my car hopefully ahead of the parking ticket. But the guy is still up there with his group. And on top of that, most of the seats in the room are taken, and if I try to stand at the back I can't hear sh*t, defeating the whole purpose. So, I go down to the clerks office to ask when the next hearing will be, figuring I can come better prepared with change and a book for the wait. Well my lord, you would have thought I was asking for top secret information! She starts giving me these really vague answers about how they don't know, its based on the trustee schedule blah blah..... So I had to get creative, because I wasn't sure if despite the fact that this woman works here, maybe she isn't understanding me (not an altogether crazy thought considering what idiots state workers have a tendency to be). If she didn't understand, then she was just being difficult, which I wouldn't put past a state worker either. So I am like (in slow motion) "that meeting, that is occuring right there down the hall, when is the next one?". And she is all like "I am not sure, we don't know that here". Then I am like "do they happen every day?" (I knew that they didn't, but I was going somewhere with this). So she is like "no, they don't happen every day". So then I am like "Is there one tommorrow?", and she says "no", and then she looks at a sheet of paper that is sitting on the counter directly in front of her and says there is one on Monday. If necessary I fully intended to ask about each day until I hit a date when there was one. Why all the cloak and dagger bull****? They are public hearings for gods sake! So I leave the building and walk briskly to my car. The meter has run out, but in an odd twist of good luck in an otherwise Luck Free day, there was no ticket. Well, I wasn't able to go on Monday, the weather was too terrible to even contemplate going out. So I have tried calling the clerks office every day since to find out when the next one is, and they just keep doing the vague shuffling thing, and I get no where. Can anyone please tell me what is going on here?

I filed in Northern California. The meeting was in a small room in
the Federal Building, not in the Court.



"Brett Weiss" <lawyer@erols.com> wrote in message news:<IPmdnV0YV6vxcX2iRVn-sQ@comcast.com>... The Trustee's meetings are run solely by the Trustees. They aren't scheduled by the court, and the court clerks have no idea what times they are held. In many states (such as where I practice, in Maryland and DC), they aren't even held at the courthouse. Your best bet to find out when they are schedules is to call one of the trustees. -- Brett ************************************************** *************** * Personal Injury/Malpractice Bankruptcy * * * * BRETT WEISS, P.C. * * Attorneys at Law * * Maryland, D.C. and Federal Bars * * lawyer@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/lawyer * * * * Small Business Estates & Estate Planning * ************************************************** *************** The Small Print: This response is for discussion purposes only. It isn't meant to be legal advice and you shouldn't treat it as such. If you want legal advice, speak with a local lawyer familiar with your state's laws who can review *all* of the facts and the law applicable to your situation. ************************************************** *************** "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message news:84999b25.0312171238.6bfae9d0@posting.google.c om... At the suggestion of my attorney I went to watch a 341 hearing at the local courthouse. He felt that it would make me more comfortable with the process. and here is what happened............ OK, I find a parking spot in front of the court and I realize that I only have enough change on hand to get 38 minutes on the meter (geez, what a rip, only 12 minutes for a quarter). So I go in to the court house, go down to the basement, buy a pack of gum, and then drop more change in which gets me to just over an hour. I go into the room, Its just 9AM. I sit there and wait, and wait, and wait. The room fills up with people, but no trustee in sight. Finally at 9:45 he shows up. He does what I assume to be a standard opening, then calls the first person. She goes up there, he asks her questions, she is there about 5 minutes. A lot of the questions he is asking are about some business and holdings she had. OK, so the next guy goes up. So by now its just about time for my meter to have run out, and I am contemplating whether or not to run down and get more change. So the trustee is having his way with this guy and his attorney, who apparently did not realize that if belongings are in an individuals name, and he is declaring bankruptcy on those items, that you can't claim a spouse has a half interest, so therefore all his amounts are wrong, they are all half what they should be. This guy had some business that was going bankrupt and there was all this to-do about his inventory blah blah. So THEN, the trustee asks if there are any creditors, and like three people jump up and run up there. So at this point it is becoming very apparent to me that this guy is going to take a while. So I get up and try to go to the basement to get more change. Well, the elevator would not take me to the basement for some reason. So I got frustrated waiting and go back up thinking that maybe that guy is done, and I can squeeze out a few more viewings before bolting back to my car hopefully ahead of the parking ticket. But the guy is still up there with his group. And on top of that, most of the seats in the room are taken, and if I try to stand at the back I can't hear sh*t, defeating the whole purpose. So, I go down to the clerks office to ask when the next hearing will be, figuring I can come better prepared with change and a book for the wait. Well my lord, you would have thought I was asking for top secret information! She starts giving me these really vague answers about how they don't know, its based on the trustee schedule blah blah..... So I had to get creative, because I wasn't sure if despite the fact that this woman works here, maybe she isn't understanding me (not an altogether crazy thought considering what idiots state workers have a tendency to be). If she didn't understand, then she was just being difficult, which I wouldn't put past a state worker either. So I am like (in slow motion) "that meeting, that is occuring right there down the hall, when is the next one?". And she is all like "I am not sure, we don't know that here". Then I am like "do they happen every day?" (I knew that they didn't, but I was going somewhere with this). So she is like "no, they don't happen every day". So then I am like "Is there one tommorrow?", and she says "no", and then she looks at a sheet of paper that is sitting on the counter directly in front of her and says there is one on Monday. If necessary I fully intended to ask about each day until I hit a date when there was one. Why all the cloak and dagger bull****? They are public hearings for gods sake! So I leave the building and walk briskly to my car. The meter has run out, but in an odd twist of good luck in an otherwise Luck Free day, there was no ticket. Well, I wasn't able to go on Monday, the weather was too terrible to even contemplate going out. So I have tried calling the clerks office every day since to find out when the next one is, and they just keep doing the vague shuffling thing, and I get no where. Can anyone please tell me what is going on here?

"Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message
news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee
that asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" Duh! If anyone did, would they say so?

Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay? If you
testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when you do,
that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent to lie
on the witness stand.

Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition, and then
wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still telling him
they own nothing. Duh, indeed.



FTR, most of my bills are medical (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes and
a few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours) and this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job.

He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't only apply
to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for bankruptcy in
your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally,
the trustee asks everyone.



Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a
public employee:)

Or a debtor, for that matter.

Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before you
speak. Good luck to you.

Wendy
*****

Rob Stumpf, Esq.

Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law
Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ

visit us at www.online-law-firm.com
or email rob@online-law-firm.com


Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to
establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice,
and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your
jurisdiction. >

Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW knowing
there are a-holes like you around! I feel very sorry for an person that has
the misfortune to have someone like you representing them. I won't even
dignify your personal and malicious response to my post about whether my
husband or myself is educated or even intelligent for that matter. Anyone
reading about my situation would conclude, IF they could read that is, that
a probable glitch in the system caused a lot of anxious and frustrating
moments for me and my family. All is well now that the error has been
righted BY the trustee that admitted error (in writing thank you) but I was
angry at the time.

For those folks that post here and didn't take advantage of me when I was
down and verbally slap me around, I thank you for your decency. Bankruptcy
is traumatic enough for honest hard working people that have had disasters
occur in their lives. I urge you to check out your attorney and take
advantage of a free consultation before hiring someone. The reply to my post
by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to represent
you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are going
through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney should be
expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer.

FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the truth on
my side. If you have clients that lie on the witness stand and then wear
flashy diamond jewelry to their trustee meeting that's your problem as well
as theirs. One would think that their legal representative would give them
better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the penalty for
perjury! BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals
that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of anything
except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are trying to
keep a roof over their head and the heat on.

Have a nice day,
Wendy


"Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message
news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any
diamonds?" Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay? If
you testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when you
do, that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent to
lie on the witness stand. Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition, and
then wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still telling him they own nothing. Duh, indeed. FTR, most of my bills are medical (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes
and a few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours)
and this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't only
apply to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for bankruptcy
in your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so
naturally, the trustee asks everyone. Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a public employee:) Or a debtor, for that matter. Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before you speak. Good luck to you. Wendy ***** Rob Stumpf, Esq. Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ visit us at www.online-law-firm.com or email rob@online-law-firm.com Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal
advice, and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your jurisdiction. >

"Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message
news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee
that asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" Duh! If anyone did, would they say so?

Who knows what they'd say. At least everyone is asked the same questions.
Everyone is on the record under threat of perjury. I feel certain that
*someone*
has lied and been prosecuted for it....
Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a
public employee:) Maybe after I regain the use of my writing arm and get my
right knee replaced, I can get a job there, LOL.

Well perhaps...but then you'd have to ask the same question about the
diamonds...
LOL.. :)

Well, it wasn't so much to know exactly what I would be asked, but
more about seeing that it wasn't a big deal. I keep thinking that
this is the worst thing thats ever happened to me, but the attorney is
telling me not to worry, that it is all for the best in the end. So,
the paperwork is filed now anyway, and I guess that I will just have
to deal with whatever :)


"John Smith" <someone@doe.com> wrote in message news:<Om4Fb.5638$n01.56@bignews5.bellsouth.net>... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? Who knows what they'd say. At least everyone is asked the same questions. Everyone is on the record under threat of perjury. I feel certain that *someone* has lied and been prosecuted for it.... Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a public employee:) Maybe after I regain the use of my writing arm and get my right knee replaced, I can get a job there, LOL. Well perhaps...but then you'd have to ask the same question about the diamonds... LOL.. :)

"Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:<TK2Fb.104058$b01.2317806@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW knowing there are a-holes like you around!

Thank you. Some people don't like being called an a-hole, but I find
it refreshing...


I feel very sorry for an person that has the misfortune to have someone like you representing them.


Well, we don't charge that much. So it's kind of a wash.


I won't even dignify your personal and malicious response

There was no malicious intent on my part...you were the one that was
bashing people when you have no clue as to what people's actual jobs
are, when you don't know what is going on. It wouldn't kill you to
figure things out before you start spewing.



The reply to my post by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to represent you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are going through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney should be expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer.


Well, geez, thanks for telling me that. I have only talked to about a
zillion bankruptcy clients in my life...of course we are not hostile
to anyone, anywhere, but if they start saying things that don't make
sense, they are adult enough to not mind me correcting them.


FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the truth on my side.

Well, I give them to you anyway. Feel free to decide if you want to
frame them or take them out for a walk on weekends only.

One would think that their legal representative would give them better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the penalty for perjury!

You are losing me now, dear. What are you talking about?




BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of anything except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are trying to keep a roof over their head and the heat on.

Oh, I see. You are going bonkers over an EXAMPLE.

The diamonds were an example, Wendy. I didn't say you have diamonds.
Relax...take your rhythm.

Read the title of this thread, Wen. It's a simple question, and there
is a simple answer: no, they are not. They have jobs to do. If court
clerks give people stupid answers, maybe its because quite often they
are asked stupid questions. Stupidity is a two way street.


Have a nice day, Wendy "Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay? If you testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when you do, that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent to lie on the witness stand. Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition, and then wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still telling him they own nothing. Duh, indeed. FTR, most of my bills are medical (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes and a few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours) and this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't only apply to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for bankruptcy in your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally, the trustee asks everyone. Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a public employee:) Or a debtor, for that matter. Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before you speak. Good luck to you. Wendy ***** Rob Stumpf, Esq. Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ visit us at www.online-law-firm.com or email rob@online-law-firm.com Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice, and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your jurisdiction. >

Rob, I don't think my question was stupid. It seemed pretty logical
that people at the clerks office would know when the meetings were
held, considering that the meetings are held the next door down from
their office. I was incorrect, but that doesn't make my question
stupid. It would have been a stupid question if someone who should
have known better asked it. But since this is my first and only
bankruptcy experience, I am just muddling through.












robertstumpf@mac.com (Rob Stumpf) wrote in message news:<2088e793.0312271003.39a85b9f@posting.google.com>... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:<TK2Fb.104058$b01.2317806@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW knowing there are a-holes like you around! Thank you. Some people don't like being called an a-hole, but I find it refreshing... I feel very sorry for an person that has the misfortune to have someone like you representing them. Well, we don't charge that much. So it's kind of a wash. I won't even dignify your personal and malicious response There was no malicious intent on my part...you were the one that was bashing people when you have no clue as to what people's actual jobs are, when you don't know what is going on. It wouldn't kill you to figure things out before you start spewing. The reply to my post by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to represent you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are going through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney should be expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer. Well, geez, thanks for telling me that. I have only talked to about a zillion bankruptcy clients in my life...of course we are not hostile to anyone, anywhere, but if they start saying things that don't make sense, they are adult enough to not mind me correcting them. FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the truth on my side. Well, I give them to you anyway. Feel free to decide if you want to frame them or take them out for a walk on weekends only. One would think that their legal representative would give them better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the penalty for perjury! You are losing me now, dear. What are you talking about? BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of anything except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are trying to keep a roof over their head and the heat on. Oh, I see. You are going bonkers over an EXAMPLE. The diamonds were an example, Wendy. I didn't say you have diamonds. Relax...take your rhythm. Read the title of this thread, Wen. It's a simple question, and there is a simple answer: no, they are not. They have jobs to do. If court clerks give people stupid answers, maybe its because quite often they are asked stupid questions. Stupidity is a two way street. Have a nice day, Wendy "Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that > asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" > Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay? If you testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when you do, that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent to lie on the witness stand. Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition, and then wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still telling him they own nothing. Duh, indeed. FTR, most of my bills are medical > (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes and a > few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken > shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic > seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours) and > this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't only apply to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for bankruptcy in your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally, the trustee asks everyone. > Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a public > employee:) Or a debtor, for that matter. Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before you speak. Good luck to you. > Wendy > ***** Rob Stumpf, Esq. Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ visit us at www.online-law-firm.com or email rob@online-law-firm.com Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice, and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your jurisdiction. >

It was not a stupid question. In fact, most people would think that the
Bankruptcy Clerk's office would know about the times of 341 meetings.
Although this is not the case, it was certainly not unreasonable for you to
think that it was.

--
Brett

************************************************** ***************
* Personal Injury/Malpractice Bankruptcy *
* *
* BRETT WEISS, P.C. *
* Attorneys at Law *
* Maryland, D.C. and Federal Bars *
* lawyer@erols.com *
* http://www.erols.com/lawyer *
* *
* Small Business Estates & Estate Planning *
************************************************** ***************

The Small Print: This response is for discussion purposes only. It isn't
meant to be legal advice and you shouldn't treat it as such. If you want
legal advice, speak with a local lawyer familiar with your state's laws who
can review *all* of the facts and the law applicable to your situation.
************************************************** ***************


"cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
news:84999b25.0312310856.51d723b2@posting.google.c om... Rob, I don't think my question was stupid. It seemed pretty logical that people at the clerks office would know when the meetings were held, considering that the meetings are held the next door down from their office. I was incorrect, but that doesn't make my question stupid. It would have been a stupid question if someone who should have known better asked it. But since this is my first and only bankruptcy experience, I am just muddling through. robertstumpf@mac.com (Rob Stumpf) wrote in message
news:<2088e793.0312271003.39a85b9f@posting.google.com>... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message
news:<TK2Fb.104058$b01.2317806@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW
knowing there are a-holes like you around! Thank you. Some people don't like being called an a-hole, but I find it refreshing... I feel very sorry for an person that has the misfortune to have someone like you representing them. Well, we don't charge that much. So it's kind of a wash. I won't even dignify your personal and malicious response There was no malicious intent on my part...you were the one that was bashing people when you have no clue as to what people's actual jobs are, when you don't know what is going on. It wouldn't kill you to figure things out before you start spewing. The reply to my post by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to
represent you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are going through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney should
be expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer. Well, geez, thanks for telling me that. I have only talked to about a zillion bankruptcy clients in my life...of course we are not hostile to anyone, anywhere, but if they start saying things that don't make sense, they are adult enough to not mind me correcting them. FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the
truth on my side. Well, I give them to you anyway. Feel free to decide if you want to frame them or take them out for a walk on weekends only. One would think that their legal representative would give them better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the
penalty for perjury! You are losing me now, dear. What are you talking about? BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of
anything except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are trying
to keep a roof over their head and the heat on. Oh, I see. You are going bonkers over an EXAMPLE. The diamonds were an example, Wendy. I didn't say you have diamonds. Relax...take your rhythm. Read the title of this thread, Wen. It's a simple question, and there is a simple answer: no, they are not. They have jobs to do. If court clerks give people stupid answers, maybe its because quite often they are asked stupid questions. Stupidity is a two way street. Have a nice day, Wendy "Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... > > "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message > news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > > Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The
trustee that > > asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" > > Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? > > Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay?
If you > testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when
you do, > that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent
to lie > on the witness stand. > > Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition,
and then > wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still
telling him > they own nothing. Duh, indeed. > > > > FTR, most of my bills are medical > > (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent
diabetes and a > > few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a
broken > > shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again
(epileptic > > seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9
hours) and > > this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. > > He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't
only apply > to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for
bankruptcy in > your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally, > the trustee asks everyone. > > > > > > Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become
a public > > employee:) > > Or a debtor, for that matter. > > Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before
you > speak. Good luck to you. > > > > Wendy > > > ***** > > Rob Stumpf, Esq. > > Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law > Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ > > visit us at www.online-law-firm.com > or email rob@online-law-firm.com > > > Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed
to > establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice, > and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in
your > jurisdiction. > > > > >

Her stupidity was not in asking a question....we are all on a learning curve
about something. Her stupidity is insulting people and calling them idiots
based on her own limited knowledge.

--

*****

Rob Stumpf, Esq.

Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law
Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ

visit us at www.online-law-firm.com
or email rob@online-law-firm.com


Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to
establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice,
and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your
jurisdiction.
"Brett Weiss" <lawyer@erols.com> wrote in message
news:9_idnZiR5L3JeWmi4p2dnA@comcast.com... It was not a stupid question. In fact, most people would think that the Bankruptcy Clerk's office would know about the times of 341 meetings. Although this is not the case, it was certainly not unreasonable for you
to think that it was. -- Brett ************************************************** *************** * Personal Injury/Malpractice Bankruptcy * * * * BRETT WEISS, P.C. * * Attorneys at Law * * Maryland, D.C. and Federal Bars * * lawyer@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/lawyer * * * * Small Business Estates & Estate Planning * ************************************************** *************** The Small Print: This response is for discussion purposes only. It isn't meant to be legal advice and you shouldn't treat it as such. If you want legal advice, speak with a local lawyer familiar with your state's laws
who can review *all* of the facts and the law applicable to your situation. ************************************************** *************** "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message news:84999b25.0312310856.51d723b2@posting.google.c om... Rob, I don't think my question was stupid. It seemed pretty logical that people at the clerks office would know when the meetings were held, considering that the meetings are held the next door down from their office. I was incorrect, but that doesn't make my question stupid. It would have been a stupid question if someone who should have known better asked it. But since this is my first and only bankruptcy experience, I am just muddling through. robertstumpf@mac.com (Rob Stumpf) wrote in message news:<2088e793.0312271003.39a85b9f@posting.google.com>... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:<TK2Fb.104058$b01.2317806@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... > Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW knowing > there are a-holes like you around! Thank you. Some people don't like being called an a-hole, but I find it refreshing... I feel very sorry for an person that has > the misfortune to have someone like you representing them. Well, we don't charge that much. So it's kind of a wash. I won't even > dignify your personal and malicious response There was no malicious intent on my part...you were the one that was bashing people when you have no clue as to what people's actual jobs are, when you don't know what is going on. It wouldn't kill you to figure things out before you start spewing. The reply to my post > by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to represent > you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are
going > through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney
should be > expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer. Well, geez, thanks for telling me that. I have only talked to about a zillion bankruptcy clients in my life...of course we are not hostile to anyone, anywhere, but if they start saying things that don't make sense, they are adult enough to not mind me correcting them. > > FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the truth on > my side. Well, I give them to you anyway. Feel free to decide if you want to frame them or take them out for a walk on weekends only. One would think that their legal representative would give them > better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the penalty for > perjury! You are losing me now, dear. What are you talking about? BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals > that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of anything > except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are
trying to > keep a roof over their head and the heat on. Oh, I see. You are going bonkers over an EXAMPLE. The diamonds were an example, Wendy. I didn't say you have diamonds. Relax...take your rhythm. Read the title of this thread, Wen. It's a simple question, and there is a simple answer: no, they are not. They have jobs to do. If court clerks give people stupid answers, maybe its because quite often they are asked stupid questions. Stupidity is a two way street. > > Have a nice day, > Wendy > > > "Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message > news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > > > Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that > > > asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" > > > Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? > > > > Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE,
okay? If you > > testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds
when you do, > > that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever
intelligent to lie > > on the witness stand. > > > > Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their
petition, and then > > wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still telling him > > they own nothing. Duh, indeed. > > > > > > > > FTR, most of my bills are medical > > > (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes > and > a > > > few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken > > > shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic > > > seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours) and > > > this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. > > > > He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't only apply > > to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for bankruptcy in > > your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally, > > the trustee asks everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to
become a public > > > employee:) > > > > Or a debtor, for that matter. > > > > Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before you > > speak. Good luck to you. > > > > > > > Wendy > > > > > ***** > > > > Rob Stumpf, Esq. > > > > Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law > > Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ > > > > visit us at www.online-law-firm.com > > or email rob@online-law-firm.com > > > > > > Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to > > establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not
legal advice, > > and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your > > jurisdiction. > > > > > > > > >

There's no shame in asking questions, but it's silly to insult people or
call them idiots BEFORE you know the answer.

--



*****

Rob Stumpf, Esq.

Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law
Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ

visit us at www.online-law-firm.com
or email rob@online-law-firm.com


Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to
establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice,
and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your
jurisdiction.
"cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message
news:84999b25.0312310856.51d723b2@posting.google.c om... Rob, I don't think my question was stupid. It seemed pretty logical that people at the clerks office would know when the meetings were held, considering that the meetings are held the next door down from their office. I was incorrect, but that doesn't make my question stupid. It would have been a stupid question if someone who should have known better asked it. But since this is my first and only bankruptcy experience, I am just muddling through. robertstumpf@mac.com (Rob Stumpf) wrote in message
news:<2088e793.0312271003.39a85b9f@posting.google.com>... "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message
news:<TK2Fb.104058$b01.2317806@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW
knowing there are a-holes like you around! Thank you. Some people don't like being called an a-hole, but I find it refreshing... I feel very sorry for an person that has the misfortune to have someone like you representing them. Well, we don't charge that much. So it's kind of a wash. I won't even dignify your personal and malicious response There was no malicious intent on my part...you were the one that was bashing people when you have no clue as to what people's actual jobs are, when you don't know what is going on. It wouldn't kill you to figure things out before you start spewing. The reply to my post by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to
represent you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are going through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney should
be expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer. Well, geez, thanks for telling me that. I have only talked to about a zillion bankruptcy clients in my life...of course we are not hostile to anyone, anywhere, but if they start saying things that don't make sense, they are adult enough to not mind me correcting them. FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the
truth on my side. Well, I give them to you anyway. Feel free to decide if you want to frame them or take them out for a walk on weekends only. One would think that their legal representative would give them better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the
penalty for perjury! You are losing me now, dear. What are you talking about? BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of
anything except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are trying
to keep a roof over their head and the heat on. Oh, I see. You are going bonkers over an EXAMPLE. The diamonds were an example, Wendy. I didn't say you have diamonds. Relax...take your rhythm. Read the title of this thread, Wen. It's a simple question, and there is a simple answer: no, they are not. They have jobs to do. If court clerks give people stupid answers, maybe its because quite often they are asked stupid questions. Stupidity is a two way street. Have a nice day, Wendy "Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... > > "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message > news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > > Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The
trustee that > > asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" > > Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? > > Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay?
If you > testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when
you do, > that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent
to lie > on the witness stand. > > Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition,
and then > wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still
telling him > they own nothing. Duh, indeed. > > > > FTR, most of my bills are medical > > (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent
diabetes and a > > few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a
broken > > shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again
(epileptic > > seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9
hours) and > > this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. > > He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't
only apply > to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for
bankruptcy in > your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally, > the trustee asks everyone. > > > > > > Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become
a public > > employee:) > > Or a debtor, for that matter. > > Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before
you > speak. Good luck to you. > > > > Wendy > > > ***** > > Rob Stumpf, Esq. > > Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law > Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ > > visit us at www.online-law-firm.com > or email rob@online-law-firm.com > > > Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed
to > establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice, > and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in
your > jurisdiction. > > > > >

Your stupidity Mr. Stumpf is not reading my post very carefully. I
didn't call anyone an idiot, except I am going to call you one now, I
hope you find it as refreshing as being called an asshole. I asked
"are court clerks idiots?", and I made a reference to state workers
having a tendency to be idiots, which I stand by given my experiences
with them. I never called any particular individual any names, nor
would I (unlike you) unless provoked (which I was, by you). Working
off of empirical evidence (not my own "limited knowledge")I had good
reason to believe that the court clerk was giving me the run around,
if you recall, she was in fact able to give me the next date.




"Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message news:<btiep8$789a7$2@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de>... Her stupidity was not in asking a question....we are all on a learning curve about something. Her stupidity is insulting people and calling them idiots based on her own limited knowledge. -- ***** Rob Stumpf, Esq. Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ visit us at www.online-law-firm.com or email rob@online-law-firm.com Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice, and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your jurisdiction. "Brett Weiss" <lawyer@erols.com> wrote in message news:9_idnZiR5L3JeWmi4p2dnA@comcast.com... It was not a stupid question. In fact, most people would think that the Bankruptcy Clerk's office would know about the times of 341 meetings. Although this is not the case, it was certainly not unreasonable for you to think that it was. -- Brett ************************************************** *************** * Personal Injury/Malpractice Bankruptcy * * * * BRETT WEISS, P.C. * * Attorneys at Law * * Maryland, D.C. and Federal Bars * * lawyer@erols.com * * http://www.erols.com/lawyer * * * * Small Business Estates & Estate Planning * ************************************************** *************** The Small Print: This response is for discussion purposes only. It isn't meant to be legal advice and you shouldn't treat it as such. If you want legal advice, speak with a local lawyer familiar with your state's laws who can review *all* of the facts and the law applicable to your situation. ************************************************** *************** "cappucine" <bettedaviseyes@metacrawler.com> wrote in message news:84999b25.0312310856.51d723b2@posting.google.c om... Rob, I don't think my question was stupid. It seemed pretty logical that people at the clerks office would know when the meetings were held, considering that the meetings are held the next door down from their office. I was incorrect, but that doesn't make my question stupid. It would have been a stupid question if someone who should have known better asked it. But since this is my first and only bankruptcy experience, I am just muddling through. robertstumpf@mac.com (Rob Stumpf) wrote in message news:<2088e793.0312271003.39a85b9f@posting.google.com>... > "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message news:<TK2Fb.104058$b01.2317806@twister.tampabay.rr.com>... > > > Thank you Mr. Stumph, how happy indeed I am with my attorney NOW knowing > > there are a-holes like you around! > > Thank you. Some people don't like being called an a-hole, but I find > it refreshing... > > > I feel very sorry for an person that has > > the misfortune to have someone like you representing them. > > > Well, we don't charge that much. So it's kind of a wash. > > > I won't even > > dignify your personal and malicious response > > There was no malicious intent on my part...you were the one that was > bashing people when you have no clue as to what people's actual jobs > are, when you don't know what is going on. It wouldn't kill you to > figure things out before you start spewing. > > > > The reply to my post > > by an "attorney" is good reason for caution in hiring someone to represent > > you. You need someone on your side that understands that you are going > > through a difficult time. Knowledge of the law by any attorney should be > > expected BUT that is only one facet of a good lawyer. > > > Well, geez, thanks for telling me that. I have only talked to about a > zillion bankruptcy clients in my life...of course we are not hostile > to anyone, anywhere, but if they start saying things that don't make > sense, they are adult enough to not mind me correcting them. > > > > > > > FTR Mr. Stumph, I don't need your good luck wishes when I have the truth on > > my side. > > Well, I give them to you anyway. Feel free to decide if you want to > frame them or take them out for a walk on weekends only. > > One would think that their legal representative would give them > > better advice or at least a rudimentary education concerning the penalty for > > perjury! > > You are losing me now, dear. What are you talking about? > > > > > BTW, let me make it clear to any reader here that the individuals > > that I saw, including my family, did not appear to have much of anything > > except debts. Diamonds are last on the list for folks that are trying to > > keep a roof over their head and the heat on. > > Oh, I see. You are going bonkers over an EXAMPLE. > > The diamonds were an example, Wendy. I didn't say you have diamonds. > Relax...take your rhythm. > > Read the title of this thread, Wen. It's a simple question, and there > is a simple answer: no, they are not. They have jobs to do. If court > clerks give people stupid answers, maybe its because quite often they > are asked stupid questions. Stupidity is a two way street. > > > > > > > Have a nice day, > > Wendy > > > > > > "Robert Stumpf" <rob@online-law-firm.com> wrote in message > > news:bs20kn$8tjdl$1@ID-200874.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > > > "Wendy" <virtual@juno.com> wrote in message > > > news:HA3Eb.87093$b01.1888905@twister.tampabay.rr.c om... > > > > Having been to my own hearing, reading this was hilarious! The trustee that > > > > asked all the questions at mine asked everyone "do you have any diamonds?" > > > > Duh! If anyone did, would they say so? > > > > > > Duh, legal proceedings don't work if people are going to LIE, okay? If you > > > testify under penalties of perjury that you don't have diamonds when you do, > > > that isn't a smart thing to do, any more than it is ever intelligent to lie > > > on the witness stand. > > > > > > Of course, many debtors lie about their jewelery on their petition, and then > > > wear their most expensive stuff to the trustee meeting, still telling him > > > they own nothing. Duh, indeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > FTR, most of my bills are medical > > > > (heart surgery 4 times in 8 years), severe insulin dependent diabetes > > and > > a > > > > few other debilitating diseases. FTR, I had to go to it with a broken > > > > shoulder shortly after getting out of the hospital again (epileptic > > > > seizures). My daughter goes to pre-school 3 half days a week (9 hours) and > > > > this nimrod wondered why I didn't have a job. > > > > > > He's not a nimrod....it's his JOB to ask. These procedures don't only apply > > > to you...they apply to thousands of other people who file for bankruptcy in > > > your district, and their employment is part of the picture....so naturally, > > > the trustee asks everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently it doesn't take any education or intelligence to become a public > > > > employee:) > > > > > > Or a debtor, for that matter. > > > > > > Sometimes it helps to have some idea of what you are saying before you > > > speak. Good luck to you. > > > > > > > > > > Wendy > > > > > > > ***** > > > > > > Rob Stumpf, Esq. > > > > > > Stumpf and Ginter, Attorneys at Law > > > Practicing Bankruptcy in NY and NJ > > > > > > visit us at www.online-law-firm.com > > > or email rob@online-law-firm.com > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: No email or newsgroup communication is to be construed to > > > establish any sort of an attorney-client relationship, is not legal advice, > > > and is not a replacement for the advice of a competent attorney in your > > > jurisdiction. > > > > > > > > > > > > >

If Brett could have solved this before Mr.Stumpy had a chance to touch
a keyboard. Apparently the simplest of people can become
attorneys(referring to Stumps). Where did you take your attorney
courses? Out of a happy meal? I hope you at least got a toy out of
the deal. Quite refeshing to be called an "a-hole"? LoL, I'm
assuming with your low fees and the manner in which to
talk/communicate with people, you probably don't get a lot of
business. If you treated me like that in your "office"(probably the
dumpster behind your local courthouse), I sure as hell wouldn't give
you the penny you aren't worth. I recommend quiting your current
profession and applying at the local 7-11 where I expect rude
treatment(not intended to offend 7-11 employees).