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Dennis
11-01-2003, 11:38 AM
Here are three loans that a borrower is thinking of doing to
consolidate debt. The borrowers home is worth 380,000 on a loan
balance of 172,000. The borrowers credit score is 507. The borrower
has net take home pay of 3987.06 a month. The gross take home is
6057.00 a month. The borrower is currently 60 days on his first
mortgage and 60 days on his 2nd mortgage and 60 days on his car note.
The borrower wants to use some of the equity in his home to
consolidate the 1st, 2nd, car and about 17,000.00 of collections and
charge offs that are on his credit report. All these ad up to about
270,000.00 for a loan. The arms are all on a six month libor and have
about a 6% life cap and a 3% adjust after the fix term and then 1% per
term to cap.



Which loan is best for the borrower?

Should the borrower just combine the 1st and 2nd in a fixed and try to
pay the other collections accounts? (Borrower has been behind for over
2 years)

Should the borrower try to do the whole thing in a fixed loan, and can
he get a rate to support his pay?

Should the borrower just continue on as is and try to raise his credit
score to get a better rate?

Many of the loans available to the borrower are borderline predatory,
should the borrower try to negotiate for a better deal with creditors
and collections folks?



Here are some of the fees and cost associated with the borrowers
delimma. Please help the borrower by giving your professional insight.
If you are a mortgage lender that would be even better.

Option One Seabreeze Ameriquest

Type Loan 2/28 7.450% Arm 2/28 8.00% Arm 3/1 9.6% Arm
Loan Amount $246,000.00 $251,000.00 $260,400.00

Loan Origination Fee $7,530.00 $0.00
Loan Discount Fee $8,799.65
Appraisal Fee $350.00 $375.00 $275.00
Credit Report Fee $0.00
Broker Fee $10,416.00
Processing Fee $595.00 $626.00
Application Fee $500.00 $200.00 $360.00
Underwriting Fee $595.00
Tax Service Fee $70.00 $70.00
Flood Search Fee $16.00
Courier $25.00 $46.00
Admin Fee $400.00 $239.00
Funding Fee $50.00
Closing/Settlement Fee $500.00 $550.00
Title Insurance Fees $1,536.36 $800.00
Demand /Benificiary Fee $100.00
Interest for # of days $1,670.59 $278.89 $644.90
Hazard Insurance Premium $911.40
Notary Fee $25.00 $150.00
Recording Fee
Escrow Fee $298.00

Totals $16,129.35 $10,698.89 $12,174.55

Monthly P&I 1811.85 2079.56 1841.75

pre-pay yes yes yes
assign no no no

RacerT
11-02-2003, 05:46 AM
Dennis" <dtvarnum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:32e8cce6.0311011138.4835fff6@posting.google.c om... Here are three loans that a borrower is thinking of doing to consolidate debt. The borrowers home is worth 380,000 on a loan balance of 172,000. The borrowers credit score is 507. The borrower has net take home pay of 3987.06 a month. The gross take home is 6057.00 a month. The borrower is currently 60 days on his first mortgage and 60 days on his 2nd mortgage and 60 days on his car note. The borrower wants to use some of the equity in his home to consolidate the 1st, 2nd, car and about 17,000.00 of collections and charge offs that are on his credit report. All these ad up to about 270,000.00 for a loan. The arms are all on a six month libor and have about a 6% life cap and a 3% adjust after the fix term and then 1% per term to cap. Which loan is best for the borrower? Should the borrower just combine the 1st and 2nd in a fixed and try to pay the other collections accounts? (Borrower has been behind for over 2 years) Should the borrower try to do the whole thing in a fixed loan, and can he get a rate to support his pay? Should the borrower just continue on as is and try to raise his credit score to get a better rate? Many of the loans available to the borrower are borderline predatory, should the borrower try to negotiate for a better deal with creditors and collections folks? Here are some of the fees and cost associated with the borrowers delimma. Please help the borrower by giving your professional insight. If you are a mortgage lender that would be even better. Option One Seabreeze Ameriquest Type Loan 2/28 7.450% Arm 2/28 8.00% Arm 3/1 9.6% Arm Loan Amount $246,000.00 $251,000.00 $260,400.00 Loan Origination Fee $7,530.00 $0.00 Loan Discount Fee $8,799.65 Appraisal Fee $350.00 $375.00 $275.00 Credit Report Fee $0.00 Broker Fee $10,416.00 Processing Fee $595.00 $626.00 Application Fee $500.00 $200.00 $360.00 Underwriting Fee $595.00 Tax Service Fee $70.00 $70.00 Flood Search Fee $16.00 Courier $25.00 $46.00 Admin Fee $400.00 $239.00 Funding Fee $50.00 Closing/Settlement Fee $500.00 $550.00 Title Insurance Fees $1,536.36 $800.00 Demand /Benificiary Fee $100.00 Interest for # of days $1,670.59 $278.89 $644.90 Hazard Insurance Premium $911.40 Notary Fee $25.00 $150.00 Recording Fee Escrow Fee $298.00 Totals $16,129.35 $10,698.89 $12,174.55 Monthly P&I 1811.85 2079.56 1841.75 pre-pay yes yes yes assign no no no

In today's market, I would vote for a fixed rate mortgage, not an ARM.

The other option is to sell your house, pay everything off, rent a very
small place for awhile, and focus on saving money and getting your credit
back to A-1 perfect.

EaDesigns
11-02-2003, 04:53 PM
If this borrower is already looking for a loan at AMERIQUEST then this means
all of his options for
non-shark lenders have been exhausted. I do not know which part of the
country this property is located
in. The prospect borrower may want to see how well property values are
appreciating in his neighborhood and
it's prospects thereof. Why should he/she pay a huge amount to refinance;
closing costs + high interest rate + 2 or
3 year prepayment penalty for a property that may not be appreciating at a
rate to offset these costs. The money
he/she is paying to refinance should equate to a return on this expenditure
at a reasonable point in time in the future,
otherwise why refinance. If the appreciation of property does not appear to
be in the cards (no one has a crystal ball I know),
I would opt to sell. After the 1st & 2nd mortgage is payed off then DO NOT
PAY OFF ALL OF THE BILLS AT ONE-TIME.
Reason being is that the accounts in which he/she is behind need to be left
open in order to REBUILD A GOOD CREDIT HISTORY;
CAN ONLY HAPPEN BY PAYING THEM TIMELY & GRADUALLY. I was in the same
predictament at one time in my life.
I paid off all of my bills I had been late on and then had no actitivity on
these accounts since I had paid them off. It took longer to
establish my credit then if I had gradually started to pay passed due and
kept paying for the next year or two timely to bring my rating
back. Hope this helps.

Erich


"RacerT" <RTC@nospammail.wxy> wrote in message
news:kIednQ37hdlSlDiiRVn-sA@comcast.com... Dennis" <dtvarnum@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:32e8cce6.0311011138.4835fff6@posting.google.c om... Here are three loans that a borrower is thinking of doing to consolidate debt. The borrowers home is worth 380,000 on a loan balance of 172,000. The borrowers credit score is 507. The borrower has net take home pay of 3987.06 a month. The gross take home is 6057.00 a month. The borrower is currently 60 days on his first mortgage and 60 days on his 2nd mortgage and 60 days on his car note. The borrower wants to use some of the equity in his home to consolidate the 1st, 2nd, car and about 17,000.00 of collections and charge offs that are on his credit report. All these ad up to about 270,000.00 for a loan. The arms are all on a six month libor and have about a 6% life cap and a 3% adjust after the fix term and then 1% per term to cap. Which loan is best for the borrower? Should the borrower just combine the 1st and 2nd in a fixed and try to pay the other collections accounts? (Borrower has been behind for over 2 years) Should the borrower try to do the whole thing in a fixed loan, and can he get a rate to support his pay? Should the borrower just continue on as is and try to raise his credit score to get a better rate? Many of the loans available to the borrower are borderline predatory, should the borrower try to negotiate for a better deal with creditors and collections folks? Here are some of the fees and cost associated with the borrowers delimma. Please help the borrower by giving your professional insight. If you are a mortgage lender that would be even better. Option One Seabreeze Ameriquest Type Loan 2/28 7.450% Arm 2/28 8.00% Arm 3/1 9.6% Arm Loan Amount $246,000.00 $251,000.00 $260,400.00 Loan Origination Fee $7,530.00 $0.00 Loan Discount Fee $8,799.65 Appraisal Fee $350.00 $375.00 $275.00 Credit Report Fee $0.00 Broker Fee $10,416.00 Processing Fee $595.00 $626.00 Application Fee $500.00 $200.00 $360.00 Underwriting Fee $595.00 Tax Service Fee $70.00 $70.00 Flood Search Fee $16.00 Courier $25.00 $46.00 Admin Fee $400.00 $239.00 Funding Fee $50.00 Closing/Settlement Fee $500.00 $550.00 Title Insurance Fees $1,536.36 $800.00 Demand /Benificiary Fee $100.00 Interest for # of days $1,670.59 $278.89 $644.90 Hazard Insurance Premium $911.40 Notary Fee $25.00 $150.00 Recording Fee Escrow Fee $298.00 Totals $16,129.35 $10,698.89 $12,174.55 Monthly P&I 1811.85 2079.56 1841.75 pre-pay yes yes yes assign no no no In today's market, I would vote for a fixed rate mortgage, not an ARM. The other option is to sell your house, pay everything off, rent a very small place for awhile, and focus on saving money and getting your credit back to A-1 perfect.

RacerT
11-03-2003, 05:30 AM
Good advice.

"EaDesigns" <bodensiek@usa.com> wrote in message
news:OFhpb.10695$ns.1167@bignews4.bellsouth.net... If this borrower is already looking for a loan at AMERIQUEST then this
means all of his options for non-shark lenders have been exhausted. I do not know which part of the country this property is located in. The prospect borrower may want to see how well property values are appreciating in his neighborhood and it's prospects thereof. Why should he/she pay a huge amount to refinance; closing costs + high interest rate + 2 or 3 year prepayment penalty for a property that may not be appreciating at a rate to offset these costs. The money he/she is paying to refinance should equate to a return on this
expenditure at a reasonable point in time in the future, otherwise why refinance. If the appreciation of property does not appear
to be in the cards (no one has a crystal ball I know), I would opt to sell. After the 1st & 2nd mortgage is payed off then DO NOT PAY OFF ALL OF THE BILLS AT ONE-TIME. Reason being is that the accounts in which he/she is behind need to be
left open in order to REBUILD A GOOD CREDIT HISTORY; CAN ONLY HAPPEN BY PAYING THEM TIMELY & GRADUALLY. I was in the same predictament at one time in my life. I paid off all of my bills I had been late on and then had no actitivity
on these accounts since I had paid them off. It took longer to establish my credit then if I had gradually started to pay passed due and kept paying for the next year or two timely to bring my rating back. Hope this helps. Erich

Jeff Strickland
11-03-2003, 09:31 AM
"RacerT" <RTC@nospammail.wxy> wrote in message
news:kIednQ37hdlSlDiiRVn-sA@comcast.com... Many of the loans available to the borrower are borderline predatory, should the borrower try to negotiate for a better deal with creditors and collections folks?


The 507 Credit Score is going to play a huge part in the ability to get a
loan, or not get one. It will be the deciding factor in getting a lender to
even take the loan. The other factors that are seriously problematic are the
Lates on his current mortgage(s).

I think the fees this borrower is going to be paying are very high, but the
reason they are justified is that the borrower in not in a position to
threaten to take his business elsewhere. There is no "elsewhere" that he can
go to in his scenario.

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