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some guy
07-20-2003, 08:07 PM
Brief history........

Filed Ch. 7 in December 2002. Converted to Ch. 13 in January 2003. Ch.
13 was dismissed in May 2003 because I did not have the income to make
payments on the plan.

Now, my original attorney, who I have learned the hard way is not as
knowledgeable or savvy as I could have paid for, told me that I can
"file anytime now that my case was dismissed without prejudice." After
doing more research on my own, I have found statutes that say you cannot
file bankruptcy within 180 days of a dismissal because of failing to
comply with court orders.....the attorneys here know what I am talking
about verbatim I am sure.

Why is my attorney telling me that I can refile anytime now? I am in
Florida. I don't see why being in this state would make any difference
to that federal statute. Any clarification is appreciated.

Brett Weiss
07-20-2003, 08:38 PM
If your case was dismissed "without prejudice" the 180 day rule
doesn't apply.

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"some guy" <here@home.com> wrote in message
news:3F1B58F6.4020008@home.com... Brief history........ Filed Ch. 7 in December 2002. Converted to Ch. 13 in January
2003. Ch. 13 was dismissed in May 2003 because I did not have the income
to make payments on the plan. Now, my original attorney, who I have learned the hard way is
not as knowledgeable or savvy as I could have paid for, told me that I
can "file anytime now that my case was dismissed without
prejudice." After doing more research on my own, I have found statutes that say
you cannot file bankruptcy within 180 days of a dismissal because of
failing to comply with court orders.....the attorneys here know what I am
talking about verbatim I am sure. Why is my attorney telling me that I can refile anytime now? I
am in Florida. I don't see why being in this state would make any
difference to that federal statute. Any clarification is appreciated.

some guy
07-21-2003, 10:04 AM
I trust your answer on this Mr. Weiss, but out of curiousity, what is
the exception for having the case dismissed without prejudice. Reading
the statute, I "willfully ignored orders from the court." In the sense
that I missed the second 341 meeting and couldn't comply with the
payment schedule.

Is all that matters is that the dismissal papers say "without prejudice?"

Thanks

Brett Weiss wrote: If your case was dismissed "without prejudice" the 180 day rule doesn't apply.

Brett Weiss
07-21-2003, 11:19 AM
Yes, that's all that matters.

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Brett

************************************************** ***************
* Personal Injury/Malpractice Bankruptcy *
* *
* BRETT WEISS, P.C. *
* Attorneys at Law *
* Maryland, D.C. and Federal Bars *
* lawyer@erols.com *
* http://www.erols.com/lawyer *
* *
* Small Business Estates & Estate Planning *
************************************************** ***************

The Small Print: This response is for discussion purposes only.
It isn't meant to be legal advice and you shouldn't treat it as
such. If you want legal advice, speak with a local lawyer
familiar with your state's laws who can review *all* of the facts
and the law applicable to your situation.
************************************************** ***************


"some guy" <here@home.com> wrote in message
news:3F1C1D26.2040309@home.com... I trust your answer on this Mr. Weiss, but out of curiousity,
what is the exception for having the case dismissed without prejudice.
Reading the statute, I "willfully ignored orders from the court." In
the sense that I missed the second 341 meeting and couldn't comply with
the payment schedule. Is all that matters is that the dismissal papers say "without
prejudice?" Thanks Brett Weiss wrote: If your case was dismissed "without prejudice" the 180 day
rule doesn't apply.

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