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Pregnant woman 'killed for foetus'
From correspondents in Holdenville, Oklahoma
30dec03
A WOMAN who had convinced her husband she was pregnant - and was even
thrown a baby shower - killed a pregnant acquaintance and cut the
foetus from her womb, authorities said today.

Prosecutor Linda Evans said she planned to file two murder charges
against Effie Goodson, 37, in the slaying of Carolyn Simpson, 21, who
was six months pregnant, and the foetus.

A hunter found Simpson's body in a field near Lamar, about 160km from
Oklahoma City, on Friday. She had been shot in the head, authorities
said.

Simpson was last seen on December 22 leaving a tribal casino in Okemah
where she worked and Goodson was a patron, Sheriff Houston Yeager
said. Investigators believe the two left together.

The next day, Goodson brought a dead foetus that had reached six
months gestation to a Holdenville hospital. Goodson claimed to be the
mother, but investigators determined she could not have given birth,
and she was taken into custody, authorities said.


Goodson had falsely told several people she was pregnant, going back
as far as 10 months, Yeager said.

Her husband believed she was expecting, and a shower was thrown for
her, he said.

"I think anybody would agree she wanted a baby," Yeager said. "She
already had baby items. She was really set up for a baby."

However, investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the
slaying, the sheriff said. "We've got a few more questions we haven't
got answered yet," he said.

Goodson and Simpson had known each other for about a month after being
introduced by family members, he said.

Oklahoma courts have ruled that murder charges can be filed in the
killing of a foetus if the foetus was viable - that is, if it could
survive outside the womb. Under the state's abortion law, a foetus is
presumed viable after the 24th week.




.........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,

Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.

Di

On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:
........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.


Its lets pretend time..


Jackie

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 12/30/03 6:52 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..Jackie

??? What does pretending have to do with anything?


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..

WTF?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com>In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..WTF?Robyn

Let's pretend..I'm making sense..


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com>In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..WTF?Robyn Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even
convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman,
kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It
happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago
where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police
tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the
pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies
in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the
other day.

Marley

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 12/30/03 7:02 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com>In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..WTF?RobynLet's pretend..I'm making sense..

Beauty..

Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

In article <20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com>In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..WTF?RobynLet's pretend..I'm making sense..

LOL! Good one ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

>On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..Jackie


Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in this horrible story,
unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychotic murderer.


P2P

>>>Its lets pretend time..WTF?RobynLet's pretend..I'm making sense..


Let's pretend Jackie simply could not think of anything smart to say. "Let's
pretend time", again.


P2P

"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message
news:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..Jackie Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in this horrible
story, unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychotic
murderer. P2P

That's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality.

Marley

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in messagenews:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com...On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.Its lets pretend time..Jackie Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in this horriblestory, unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychoticmurderer. P2PThat's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality.Marley

Even planned pregnancies?

Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message
news:20031230185421.19310.00001891@mb-m13.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in messagenews:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com... >On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote: > >>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the
slaying, >> >>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. > > >Its lets pretend time.. > > >Jackie > > Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in this
horriblestory, unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychoticmurderer. P2PThat's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality.Marley Even planned pregnancies?

That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic Moo
wannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should it be
Mad Moo Disease?

Marley Kathy "To err is human; to forgive, divine."

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 4:09 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <TsoIb.260094$Ec1.8987160@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in messagenews:20031230185421.19310.00001891@mb-m13.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in messagenews:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com...> >On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:> >> >>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in theslaying,> >>> >>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.> >> >> >Its lets pretend time..> >> >> >Jackie> >> >>>> Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in thishorriblestory,> unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychoticmurderer.>>> P2PThat's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality.Marley Even planned pregnancies?That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic Moowannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should it beMad Moo Disease?Marley

So now we're back to it being the 'bad blood' thing? Well, at least I am
staying on topic...LOL





Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message
news:20031230195145.19161.00001612@mb-m13.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 4:09 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <TsoIb.260094$Ec1.8987160@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in messagenews:20031230185421.19310.00001891@mb-m13.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus >From: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net >Date: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id:
<8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> > > >"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message >news:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com... >> >On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)
wrote: >> > >> >>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in theslaying, >> >> >> >>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. >> > >> > >> >Its lets pretend time.. >> > >> > >> >Jackie >> > >> > >> >> >> Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in thishorrible >story, >> unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychotic >murderer. >> >> >> P2P > >That's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality. > >Marley Even planned pregnancies?That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic Moowannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should it
beMad Moo Disease?Marley So now we're back to it being the 'bad blood' thing? Well, at least I am staying on topic...LOL Kathy "To err is human; to forgive, divine."

How do you get that? I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate
and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring.

Marley

Marley

patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0312292314.1a5c2ebc@posting.google.com>... http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,8284142%255E1702,00.html ........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.


Whatever.
It's tragic, horrible and Goodson is undoubtedly psychotic.
I've heard of a few cases like this over the last several years.


Rh.





Di

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<iHgIb.258530$Ec1.8935916@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message news:20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com>In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says...>>On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:>>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,>>>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.>>>Its lets pretend time..WTF?Robyn Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the other day. Marley

That you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayons
in this pencil box too:-)

Di

"Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
news:c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:<iHgIb.258530$Ec1.8935916@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message news:20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus >From: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.com >Date: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com> > >In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie
says... >> >>On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)
wrote: >> >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the
slaying, >>> >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. >> >> >>Its lets pretend time.. > >WTF? > >Robyn Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true
friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was
preggo--even convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant
woman, kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years
ago where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when
police tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby
rabies in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened
the other day. Marley That you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayons in this pencil box too:-) Di

I was surprised. I suppose it's a matter of being the messenger again.
Just because it's a psychotic act dosen't mean that it has no roots.

Marley

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com>
>>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, >>> >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. >> >> >>Its lets pretend time.. > >WTF? > >Robyn Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. -------------------------
It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she waspreggo--even convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple yearsago where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the other day. MarleyThat you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayonsin this pencil box too:-)Di

If Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she was
referring to, it would have made sense.


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

In article <20031231090217.10976.00001142@mb-m24.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, > >>> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. > >> > >> > >>Its lets pretend time.. > > > >WTF? > > > >Robyn > > Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. > > > ------------------------- It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she waspreggo--even convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple yearsago where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the other day. MarleyThat you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayonsin this pencil box too:-)DiIf Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she wasreferring to, it would have made sense.

Exactly.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:TsoIb.260094$Ec1.8987160@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message news:20031230185421.19310.00001891@mb-m13.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id:
<8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in messagenews:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com...> >On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)
wrote:> >> >>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,> >>> >>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.> >> >> >Its lets pretend time..> >> >> >Jackie> >> >>>> Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in this horriblestory,> unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychoticmurderer.


Exactly.

>>> P2PThat's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality.Marley Even planned pregnancies? That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic Moo wannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should it
be Mad Moo Disease?

Makes sense *if* the woman had kidnapped a *live* infant. What did she have
to gain by cutting out a pre-term infant and presenting said *dead* child at
the hospital? At that point it was closer to Munchasean (sp) Syndrome
(effort to gain sympathy/attention etc.) than a case of "let's pretend",
imo.

Kathy 1

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 5:23 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <0ypIb.260297$Ec1.8993430@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in messagenews:20031230195145.19161.00001612@mb-m13.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 4:09 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <TsoIb.260094$Ec1.8987160@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in messagenews:20031230185421.19310.00001891@mb-m13.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus> >From: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> >Date: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time> >Message-id:<8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>> >> >> >"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message> >news:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com...> >> >On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)wrote:> >> >> >> >>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in theslaying,> >> >>> >> >>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.> >> >> >> >> >> >Its lets pretend time..> >> >> >> >> >> >Jackie> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in thishorrible> >story,> >> unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the psychotic> >murderer.> >>> >>> >> P2P> >> >That's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality.> >> >Marley>> Even planned pregnancies?That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic Moowannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should itbeMad Moo Disease?Marley So now we're back to it being the 'bad blood' thing? Well, at least I am staying on topic...LOL

How do you get that? >

It was a bad joke, obviously. ;-)

I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreateand clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring.Marley

I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with
premeditated murder or mad moo disease. And bringing it back to what Palms
countered with what Jackie said...How does one pretend to premedidate killing
an expectant mother for her child?



Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<hzAIb.262440$Ec1.9062481@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<iHgIb.258530$Ec1.8935916@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message news:20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com... > >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus > >From: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.com > >Date: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard Time > >Message-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com> > > > >In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says... > >> > >>On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote: > >> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, > >>> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. > >> > >> > >>Its lets pretend time.. > > > >WTF? > > > >Robyn > > Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. > > > ------------------------- > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > -----Unknown It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the other day. Marley That you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayons in this pencil box too:-) Di I was surprised. I suppose it's a matter of being the messenger again. Just because it's a psychotic act dosen't mean that it has no roots.



Well, thanks mucho for the explanation but I didn't have any trouble
understanding Jackie's meaning - any of it.
It might be worth considering whether the others were being as
disingenuous as Jackie was being ironic.



Rh. Marley

In article <dafc70.0312311133.f3944bd@posting.google.com>, Rhiannon says..."Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<hzAIb.262440$Ec1.9062481@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.c om... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<iHgIb.258530$Ec1.8935916@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > "LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > news:20031230100258.26083.00002047@mb-m06.aol.com... > > >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus > > >From: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.com > > >Date: 12/30/03 7:59 AM Mountain Standard Time > > >Message-id: <upgIb.13488$85.233@www.newsranger.com> > > > > > >In article <2n03vvc9e42pp4lgo9243a77kjkpd94d38@4ax.com>, Jackie says... > > >> > > >>On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote: > > >> > > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, > > >>> > > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. > > >> > > >> > > >>Its lets pretend time.. > > > > > >WTF? > > > > > >Robyn > > > > Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. > > > > > > ------------------------- > > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > > -----Unknown > > It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even > convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, > kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It > happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago > where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police > tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the > pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies > in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the > other day. > > Marley That you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayons in this pencil box too:-) Di I was surprised. I suppose it's a matter of being the messenger again. Just because it's a psychotic act dosen't mean that it has no roots.Well, thanks mucho for the explanation but I didn't have any troubleunderstanding Jackie's meaning - any of it.It might be worth considering whether the others were being asdisingenuous as Jackie was being ironic.

Sorry, but I honestly had no idea what Jackie was talking about - nothing
disingenuous about it.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/31/03 12:37 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <RzFIb.14977$85.374@www.newsranger.com>Well, thanks mucho for the explanation but I didn't have any troubleunderstanding Jackie's meaning - any of it.It might be worth considering whether the others were being asdisingenuous as Jackie was being ironic.Sorry, but I honestly had no idea what Jackie was talking about - nothingdisingenuous about it.Robyn

Indeed. From the way she snipped, I had no idea what was "pretending". Other
posters would start pretending the article didn't exist by not responding?


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message
news:20031231115152.26118.00002086@mb-m06.aol.com...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/30/03 5:23 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <0ypIb.260297$Ec1.8993430@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in messagenews:20031230195145.19161.00001612@mb-m13.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus >From: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net >Date: 12/30/03 4:09 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id:
<TsoIb.260094$Ec1.8987160@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> > > >"Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message >news:20031230185421.19310.00001891@mb-m13.aol.com... >> >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus >> >From: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net >> >Date: 12/30/03 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time >> >Message-id:<8InIb.259888$Ec1.8982359@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> >> > >> > >> >"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message >> >news:20031230170858.09719.00001715@mb-m17.aol.com... >> >> >On 29 Dec 2003 23:14:01 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the >slaying, >> >> >> >> >> >>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Its lets pretend time.. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Jackie >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Pretend time? Pretend what? I fail to see the pretense in this >horrible >> >story, >> >> unless you count the pretend pregnancy on the part of the
psychotic >> >murderer. >> >> >> >> >> >> P2P >> > >> >That's what it's all about. The wannabve Moo mentality. >> > >> >Marley >> >> Even planned pregnancies? > >That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic
Moo >wannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should
itbe >Mad Moo Disease? > >Marley So now we're back to it being the 'bad blood' thing? Well, at least I
am staying on topic...LOLHow do you get that? > It was a bad joke, obviously. ;-) I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreateand clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt
offspring.Marley I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with premeditated murder or mad moo disease.

It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a
baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak.

And bringing it back to what Palms countered with what Jackie said...How does one pretend to premedidate
killing an expectant mother for her child?

Who says somebody is pretending? I didn't see that anywhere. The woman is
nuts. She may even end up judged legally insane, which is different than
medically insane.

Marley Kathy "To err is human; to forgive, divine."

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20031231173957.14243.00002310@mb-m28.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/31/03 12:37 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <RzFIb.14977$85.374@www.newsranger.com>Well, thanks mucho for the explanation but I didn't have any troubleunderstanding Jackie's meaning - any of it.It might be worth considering whether the others were being asdisingenuous as Jackie was being ironic.Sorry, but I honestly had no idea what Jackie was talking about - nothingdisingenuous about it.Robyn Indeed. From the way she snipped, I had no idea what was "pretending". Other posters would start pretending the article didn't exist by not responding?


No offense meant.
It's just that, having read the article, I knew *exactly* what Jackie
(being Jackie) intended to convey. Which is hardly ever what she says.

My bad.
Shouldn't assume.



Rh.
------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20031231090217.10976.00001142@mb-m24.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, > >>> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. > >> > >> > >>Its lets pretend time.. > > > >WTF? > > > >Robyn > > Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. > > > ------------------------- It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the other day. MarleyThat you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayonsin this pencil box too:-)Di If Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she was referring to, it would have made sense.
Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having
settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest
crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the
motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that
that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As
if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course
'extreme' examples of the adoption concept.

The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the
child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a
baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.

Di


Jackie ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

In article <c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>,
patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) writes:
lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in messagenews:<20031231090217.10976.00001142@mb-m24.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com>> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in theslaying,> > >>>> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.> > >>> > >>> > >>Its lets pretend time..> > >> > >WTF?> > >> > >Robyn> >> > Let's pretend..I'm making sense..> >> >> > -------------------------> It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even> convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnantwoman,> kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It> happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago> where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself whenpolice> tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the> pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of babyrabies> in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happenedthe> other day.>> MarleyThat you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayonsin this pencil box too:-)Di If Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she was referring to, it would have made sense.Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not havingsettled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpestcrayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that themotive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed thatthat motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. Asif it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course'extreme' examples of the adoption concept.The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend thechild was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself ababy she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.Di

You may be right Di, but I just had another possible scenario enter my mind.
Someone else mentioned Munchausen-by-proxy, and that could be it. She may well
have NOT wanted to land herself a baby. She just needed to present a babies
body, to show that her "pregnancy" had ended, and very sadly at that. Then she
gets the sympathy of all her friends and relatives, the same ones who made her
the center of the world when they threw her a baby shower. I think part of the
telling bit of this is that she brought the deceased baby to the hospital.
Otherwise, why not just dump it, and try something else to gain that wanted
baby? That is the part that just doesn't sound right to me. She didn't have
to bring the baby to the hospital, and yet she did and tried to pass it off as
her own.

KL

patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>... Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept. The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.



I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', and
not the former.
She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour and
adoption.





Rh. Di

sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote in message news:<dafc70.0401011742.5cfb71e7@posting.google.com>... patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>... Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept. The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', and not the former. She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour and adoption.
As she had cut and pasted only my comment and left the article out,
I'd say she was responding solely to it.

Di Rh. Di

patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401020322.bb4ae4f@posting.google.com>... sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote in message news:<dafc70.0401011742.5cfb71e7@posting.google.com>... patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>... > > Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept. The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. > > I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', and not the former. She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour and adoption. As she had cut and pasted only my comment and left the article out, I'd say she was responding solely to it.



And I'd say Jackie intentionally cut and pasted as she did in order to
avoid the slings and brickbats of outraged adopters.
Maybe I'm giving her too much credit (must be that byzantine mind of
mine, plus I'm in a generous mood, it being New Year and all), but if
it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it probably is a
d(eliberate ambiguity)uck.





Rh. Di Rh. Di

"Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om...

The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.

Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that
gestational age is not likely to survive.

Kathy 1
Di Jackie ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true
friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message

I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreateand clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring.Marley I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with premeditated murder or mad moo disease. It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak.

Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus. The
woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the
gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same realm
as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their own
as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require
intensive care in order to survive.


Kathy 1

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive. Kathy 1 Di Jackie ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown
And most people aren't psychotics.

Marley

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring. > >Marley I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do
with premeditated murder or mad moo disease. It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus. The woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same
realm as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their
own as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require intensive care in order to survive. Kathy 1

But psychotics don't think like that. Mrs. Mommie Wannabe had convinced
everybody she was pregnant. She had to come up with something, so she did
the best thing she could come up with.

Marley

On 1 Jan 2004 00:58:53 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:
lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20031231090217.10976.00001142@mb-m24.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com>> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,> > >>>> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.> > >>> > >>> > >>Its lets pretend time..> > >> > >WTF?> > >> > >Robyn> >> > Let's pretend..I'm making sense..> >> >> > -------------------------> It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even> convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman,> kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It> happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago> where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police> tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the> pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies> in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the> other day.>> MarleyThat you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayonsin this pencil box too:-)Di If Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she was referring to, it would have made sense.Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not havingsettled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpestcrayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that themotive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed thatthat motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. Asif it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course'extreme' examples of the adoption concept.The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend thechild was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself ababy she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.

I thought it ironic that they could not sort it.


Jackie.. who has many colored pencils in her drawers..LOL LOL

On 1 Jan 2004 17:42:09 -0800, sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon)
wrote:
patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>... Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept. The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', andnot the former.She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour andadoption.


Wrong.. Do it again..

If you don't eat your meat how can you have any pudding?

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?


Jackie

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:IdgJb.582368$0v4.23187132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message > I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate > >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring. > > > >Marley > > I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with > premeditated murder or mad moo disease. It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have
a baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus.
The woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same realm as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their own as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to
require intensive care in order to survive. Kathy 1 But psychotics don't think like that.

Other psychotics have realized the difference between a live and dead baby.
They have managed to kill a woman and secure a live baby or kidnap a live
baby.


Mrs. Mommie Wannabe had convinced everybody she was pregnant. She had to come up with something, so she did the best thing she could come up with.

Oh I agree she had to come up with something but I diagree her intention was
necessarily to secure a child to pass off as her own.

Kathy 1

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:%bgJb.582360$0v4.23184739@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive. Kathy 1 Di Jackie > ------------------------- > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > -----Unknown And most people aren't psychotics. Marley


All the psychotics who have previously attempted such a thing have targeted
women close to delivery and/or have kidnapped the child from the hopsital.
This is the first one I have read of who deliberately targeted a woman not
anywhere near delivering.

Kathy 1

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt47a4$32qpl$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:IdgJb.582368$0v4.23187132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message > > I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate > > >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt > offspring. > > > > > >Marley > > > > I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with > > premeditated murder or mad moo disease. > > It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to
have a > baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus. The woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same realm as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as
their own as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require intensive care in order to survive. Kathy 1 But psychotics don't think like that. Other psychotics have realized the difference between a live and dead
baby. They have managed to kill a woman and secure a live baby or kidnap a live baby. Mrs. Mommie Wannabe had convinced everybody she was pregnant. She had to come up with something, so she
did the best thing she could come up with. Oh I agree she had to come up with something but I diagree her intention
was necessarily to secure a child to pass off as her own. Kathy 1

OK I'll bite. What did she intend to do it. Human sacrifice? Dinner?
Safe Haven?

Marley

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt47h5$3488r$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:%bgJb.582360$0v4.23184739@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive. Kathy 1 > > Di > > > Jackie > > ------------------------- > > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > > -----Unknown And most people aren't psychotics. Marley All the psychotics who have previously attempted such a thing have
targeted women close to delivery and/or have kidnapped the child from the hopsital. This is the first one I have read of who deliberately targeted a woman not anywhere near delivering. Kathy 1

I have no idea what she was thinking. Maybe she thought she could hide it
and care for it in the basement until it was supposed to be "born."

Beth (with Sheridan's evil-richest-man-in the-world-father Alistair
disguised as lesbian Charlie) , on Passions, kidnapped pregnant Sheridan and
held her in a pit her in basement for months (in real time). Of courses,
her motive was a little different. She wants Luis and Luis is in love with
Sheridan although Sheridan married his brother Antonio/Brian because he had
a mysterious terminal illness. (Sheridan met Antonio when she had amnesia
and was using the name Diana, after her boat was blown up by her father and
she was washed ashore on St. Lisa.) Beth waited until "Little Martin" was
born and then tried to off Sheridan by throwing her in the ocean, but
Sheridan, who is used to people trying to kill her (about 12 times in the
last 3 years if you count minor attempts) survived . Since then Beth has
tried to drive her insane and get her to walk off a cliff twice, and
Alistair has had her committed to the psych ward of Harmony Hospital where
he's paid the head of the pscyh department to shoot her up with drugs that
one of his companies developed specifically for this purpose, to keep
Sheridan looney tunes for the rest of her life.

Marley

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:2zhJb.582808$0v4.23197980@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt47h5$3488r$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:%bgJb.582360$0v4.23184739@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... > > "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message > news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... > > > > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. > > Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of
that > gestational age is not likely to survive. > > Kathy 1 > > > > > Di > > > > > > Jackie > > > ------------------------- > > > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a
true > friend will > > > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > > > -----Unknown > And most people aren't psychotics. Marley All the psychotics who have previously attempted such a thing have targeted women close to delivery and/or have kidnapped the child from the
hopsital. This is the first one I have read of who deliberately targeted a woman
not anywhere near delivering. Kathy 1 I have no idea what she was thinking. Maybe she thought she could hide it and care for it in the basement until it was supposed to be "born." Beth (with Sheridan's evil-richest-man-in the-world-father Alistair disguised as lesbian Charlie) , on Passions, kidnapped pregnant Sheridan
and held her in a pit her in basement for months (in real time). Of courses, her motive was a little different. She wants Luis and Luis is in love
with Sheridan although Sheridan married his brother Antonio/Brian because he
had a mysterious terminal illness. (Sheridan met Antonio when she had amnesia and was using the name Diana, after her boat was blown up by her father
and she was washed ashore on St. Lisa.) Beth waited until "Little Martin"
was born and then tried to off Sheridan by throwing her in the ocean, but Sheridan, who is used to people trying to kill her (about 12 times in the last 3 years if you count minor attempts) survived .

The are destined to be apart through the ages dontcha know and it's
Tabitha's job to see that happens.

Since then Beth has tried to drive her insane and get her to walk off a cliff twice, and Alistair has had her committed to the psych ward of Harmony Hospital where he's paid the head of the pscyh department to shoot her up with drugs that one of his companies developed specifically for this purpose, to keep Sheridan looney tunes for the rest of her life. Marley


LOL. Hubby has been home this week and Passions has been on in the
background. I watch DOOL and leave the TV on the same station. I loosely
catch what is going on as I go about the house. The other day he asked why
Alistair hates his daughter so much. I have no idea. If you do then I can
tell him ;)

Kathy 1

>Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 1/2/04 9:34 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <d27bvvc9ajsk0c60li1p7u4n7i0j5rr0sh@4ax.com>
I thought it ironic that they could not sort it.Jackie.. who has many colored pencils in her drawers..LOL LOL

...and each one is duller than the next.


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:mphJb.582759$0v4.23195957@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt47a4$32qpl$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:IdgJb.582368$0v4.23187132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > > "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message > > > > > I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate > > > >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt > > offspring. > > > > > > > >Marley > > > > > > I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to
do with > > > premeditated murder or mad moo disease. > > > > It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a > > baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. > > Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month*
fetus. The > woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of
the > gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the
same realm > as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their own > as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require > intensive care in order to survive. > > > Kathy 1 But psychotics don't think like that. Other psychotics have realized the difference between a live and dead baby. They have managed to kill a woman and secure a live baby or kidnap a
live baby. Mrs. Mommie Wannabe had convinced everybody she was pregnant. She had to come up with something, so she did the best thing she could come up with. Oh I agree she had to come up with something but I diagree her intention was necessarily to secure a child to pass off as her own. Kathy 1 OK I'll bite. What did she intend to do it. Human sacrifice?

Hmmn, maybe she is connected to the Lacy Petersen case.
Dinner?

Or maybe she is related to Jeffrey Dahmer?

Safe Haven?

Did she have contact with the M's previously?


Kathy 1 (who feels slightly guilty joking about such a horrific case)

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt49bi$35484$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2zhJb.582808$0v4.23197980@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt47h5$3488r$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:%bgJb.582360$0v4.23184739@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... > > > > "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message > > news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... > > > > > > > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend
the > > > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself
a > > > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent.
Obviously. > > > > Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that > > gestational age is not likely to survive. > > > > Kathy 1 > > > > > > > > Di > > > > > > > > > Jackie > > > > ------------------------- > > > > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true > > friend will > > > > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > > > > -----Unknown > > > And most people aren't psychotics. > > Marley All the psychotics who have previously attempted such a thing have targeted women close to delivery and/or have kidnapped the child from the hopsital. This is the first one I have read of who deliberately targeted a woman not anywhere near delivering. Kathy 1 I have no idea what she was thinking. Maybe she thought she could hide
it and care for it in the basement until it was supposed to be "born." Beth (with Sheridan's evil-richest-man-in the-world-father Alistair disguised as lesbian Charlie) , on Passions, kidnapped pregnant Sheridan and held her in a pit her in basement for months (in real time). Of
courses, her motive was a little different. She wants Luis and Luis is in love with Sheridan although Sheridan married his brother Antonio/Brian because he had a mysterious terminal illness. (Sheridan met Antonio when she had
amnesia and was using the name Diana, after her boat was blown up by her father and she was washed ashore on St. Lisa.) Beth waited until "Little Martin" was born and then tried to off Sheridan by throwing her in the ocean, but Sheridan, who is used to people trying to kill her (about 12 times in
the last 3 years if you count minor attempts) survived . The are destined to be apart through the ages dontcha know and it's Tabitha's job to see that happens.

What I don't get is that Sheridan is one of the only people that Tabby has
liked through the ages. If you go back and read Hidden Passions (yes, I've
actually read the book!), it's clear than she likes Sheridan in her
Revolutionary War incarnation, because among others things if I remember
correctly, she's reading Mary Woolstonecrafts' Vindication of the Rights of
Women. Too bad the current Sheridan isn't reading it. She'd dump the
Lo-Fitz boys and go off with Ethan, since he's not her nephew any more, or
maybe even--gasp!--get a job. BTW, I found it quite amusing that Ethan's
birth certificate listed Sam as the father, not Julian, when legally Julian
was his father. Apparently, Ethan never needed a bc for the first 25 years
of his life and never saw it. Since then Beth has tried to drive her insane and get her to walk off a cliff twice, and Alistair has had her committed to the psych ward of Harmony Hospital
where he's paid the head of the pscyh department to shoot her up with drugs
that one of his companies developed specifically for this purpose, to keep Sheridan looney tunes for the rest of her life. Marley LOL. Hubby has been home this week and Passions has been on in the background. I watch DOOL and leave the TV on the same station.

I have to admit I'm interested in who the "cerial killer" is. I hope it's
Phillip, simply on aesthetic grounds, but strong rumours have it otherwise,
tha it wil be a typical JERk convoluted identity crisis.

I loosely catch what is going on as I go about the house. The other day he asked
why Alistair hates his daughter so much. I have no idea. If you do then I
can tell him ;)

Well, we don't know ALL the details, but it goes back to Martin Fitzgerald's
disappearance. We know that Sheridan, under hypnosis, confessed to killing
him when she was a little girl. She remembers walking down he stairs with a
knife in her hand (if I remember right) and later blood all over her, and
later seeing a coffin taken out of the house in the middle of the night. Of
course, she didn't do it. However, Sheridan and Luis at one point (when
they were trapped in the airgiht Crane Industry archives and Alistair
pumped gas into it to kill them) before they got involved in the never
ending Shuis /Antonio traingle , were trying to uncover what happened to
Martin. So there's a big mystery there, and Alistair thinks that as long as
Sheridan is involved with Luis, the whole family can be brought down. Also
of note is that Antonio left Harmony shortly after Martin's disappearance
and that he has his own unknown grudge against the Cranes (except for
Sheridan, of course), that probably has something to do with Martin, but
what? Given Sheridan's proclivities for Lo-Fitz men, Alistair is working to
keep Sheridan and Antonio together for some reason that we don't know. I'd
never trust the guy myself. There is also the possibility that Alistair
isn't Sheridan's father (but who is?) If it's Martin, then it's gets yucky
due to incest issues which we are already dealing with in the awful
Whitney-Chad romance. There's also some speculation that Alistair is Beth's
father, conceived back when Edna was a floozie, but again that brings up
that yucky incest issue with Alistair, posing as a lesbian, kissed Beth and
seemed to turn her on, not to mention Luis's high school romance with her.
Other issues: are Julian and Eve really Chad's parents? Could Liz actually
be his mother? If so, where is their son? Maybe he's Puff Dog? Who is
Paloma's father? (She was sent off to Cuba or someplace to live as a baby).
Is Sam really Ethan's father? Who is John's biological mother? And why did
Grace leave Sam for a man she has no memory of ever being married to (maybe
because she was never married to him?) Is Alistair a warlock? And of
course, what's in TC's shed?

Did you catch the Christmas Elve scenes and Boozy Boozeourne?

Marley
Kathy 1

Maybe it didn't matter if the fetus was dead, maybe she just needed "proof" to
confirm her fantasy pregnancy.

Marley's right, psychotics are psychotic.

Roberta
mom to Juliette, 7, adopted from China

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<p67bvv8mm8s2hfaaupq6m29eq15kcg960p@4ax.com>... On 1 Jan 2004 17:42:09 -0800, sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote:patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>... > > Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept. The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. > >I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', andnot the former.She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour andadoption. Wrong.. Do it again.. If you don't eat your meat how can you have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?


I'm talking steak and kidney pudding.
The proof is in the pudding.




Rh. Jackie

lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20040102122444.01860.00002033@mb-m18.aol.com>...Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetusFrom: Jackie forgetit@me.comDate: 1/2/04 9:34 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <d27bvvc9ajsk0c60li1p7u4n7i0j5rr0sh@4ax.com>I thought it ironic that they could not sort it.Jackie.. who has many colored pencils in her drawers..LOL LOL ..and each one is duller than the next.



Blunt too.




Rh. ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

robyf@aol.comnojunk (Roberta) wrote in message news:<20040102140552.19854.00001481@mb-m01.aol.com>... Maybe it didn't matter if the fetus was dead, maybe she just needed "proof" to confirm her fantasy pregnancy. Marley's right, psychotics are psychotic.



She was dead on.



Rh. Roberta mom to Juliette, 7, adopted from China

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:09:23 GMT, "Marley Greiner"
<maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
That's even worse. But I was speaking of the perp here. A pathetic Moowannabe who had no life. Another form of Mad Cow Disease. Or should it beMad Moo Disease?

All I ask is that you don't blame this particular Mad Moo disease on
us poor Canadians..


Jackie

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<p67bvv8mm8s2hfaaupq6m29eq15kcg960p@4ax.com>... On 1 Jan 2004 17:42:09 -0800, sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote:patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>... > > Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept. The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. > >I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', andnot the former.She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour andadoption. Wrong.. Do it again.. If you don't eat your meat how can you have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?


Whoopsy.
Correction to my previous post.
The proof of the pudding (steak and kidney in this case) is in
undoubtedly the eating.





Rh. Jackie

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive.

Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier when
she made out she was pregnant. At 6 months a fetus is totall viable
ie it could have lived....if the woman had shot its mother in the
head beforehand. If she cut the baby out while the mother was still
alive the child would probably have lived. A fetus becomes viable at
24-25 weeks gestation. Which is why she is up for two counts of murder
instead of one.

Di







Kathy 1 Di Jackie ------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring. > >Marley I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with premeditated murder or mad moo disease. It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus. The woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same realm as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their own as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require intensive care in order to survive. Kathy 1

What you're overlooking is that she had already declared she was
pregnant ten months earlier. Unless she was feigning an elephants
birth she had to find a baby soon. Her options caused by timing, were
limited.


Di

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<mphJb.582759$0v4.23195957@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt47a4$32qpl$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:IdgJb.582368$0v4.23187132@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... > > "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > > "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message > > > > > I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate > > > >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring. > > > > > > > >Marley > > > > > > I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with > > > premeditated murder or mad moo disease. > > > > It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a > > baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. > > Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus. The > woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the > gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same realm > as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their own > as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require > intensive care in order to survive. > > > Kathy 1 But psychotics don't think like that. Other psychotics have realized the difference between a live and dead baby. They have managed to kill a woman and secure a live baby or kidnap a live baby. Mrs. Mommie Wannabe had convinced everybody she was pregnant. She had to come up with something, so she did the best thing she could come up with. Oh I agree she had to come up with something but I diagree her intention was necessarily to secure a child to pass off as her own. Kathy 1 OK I'll bite. What did she intend to do it. Human sacrifice? Dinner? Safe Haven? Marley

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

She even claimed the baby was hers at the hospital.

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<d27bvvc9ajsk0c60li1p7u4n7i0j5rr0sh@4ax.com>... On 1 Jan 2004 00:58:53 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20031231090217.10976.00001142@mb-m24.aol.com>... >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus >From: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) >Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com> >> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying, >> > >>> >> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>Its lets pretend time.. >> > > >> > >WTF? >> > > >> > >Robyn >> > >> > Let's pretend..I'm making sense.. >> > >> > >> > ------------------------- >> It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even >> convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman, >> kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It >> happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago >> where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police >> tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the >> pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies >> in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the >> other day. >> >> Marley > >That you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayons >in this pencil box too:-) > >Di If Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she was referring to, it would have made sense.Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not havingsettled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpestcrayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that themotive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed thatthat motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. Asif it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course'extreme' examples of the adoption concept.The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend thechild was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself ababy she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. I thought it ironic that they could not sort it.
They just like picking on you for the sake of argument. Even if it
makes their argument ridiculous.

Di Jackie.. who has many colored pencils in her drawers..LOL LOL

In article <c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.com>, Dian says..."kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive.Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier whenshe made out she was pregnant.

Sounds like she was hanging out with a bunch of morons if they actually believed
she was still pregnant ten months after announcing that she was.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:09:30 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
In article <c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.com>, Dian says..."kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive.Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier whenshe made out she was pregnant.Sounds like she was hanging out with a bunch of morons if they actually believedshe was still pregnant ten months after announcing that she was.

Well, it didn't sound like she was the full quid either .. walking
into a hospital with a fetus she's supposedly just given birth to,
without considering that the hospital would want to do a post-delivery
examination!

Julia
RobynResident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster#1557

"Rhiannon" <sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:dafc70.0401021449.7be2dfb1@posting.google.com ... robyf@aol.comnojunk (Roberta) wrote in message
news:<20040102140552.19854.00001481@mb-m01.aol.com>... Maybe it didn't matter if the fetus was dead, maybe she just needed
"proof" to confirm her fantasy pregnancy.

I already acknowledged that she had to come up with *something*. What I
disagreed with (and I thought Marley agreed with) was Di's contention that:


"The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.


I don't believe it was her intent to have a living, breathing, child that
she could pass off as her own after her pretend pregancy.
Marley's right, psychotics are psychotic.

Well duh ;)

Kathy 1

Top Post: Oops responded to the wrong post. Roberta wrote this - sorry Rh
:)

Kathy 1

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt6gq5$3onae$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Rhiannon" <sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca> wrote in message news:dafc70.0401021449.7be2dfb1@posting.google.com ... robyf@aol.comnojunk (Roberta) wrote in message news:<20040102140552.19854.00001481@mb-m01.aol.com>... Maybe it didn't matter if the fetus was dead, maybe she just needed "proof" to confirm her fantasy pregnancy. I already acknowledged that she had to come up with *something*. What I disagreed with (and I thought Marley agreed with) was Di's contention
that: "The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. I don't believe it was her intent to have a living, breathing, child that she could pass off as her own after her pretend pregancy. Marley's right, psychotics are psychotic. Well duh ;) Kathy 1

In article <5pgdvvk0q27fe6ileqc450lc7bo9jp9i86@4ax.com>, Julia says...On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:09:30 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>wrote:In article <c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.com>, Dian says...
snipYes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier whenshe made out she was pregnant.Sounds like she was hanging out with a bunch of morons if they actually believedshe was still pregnant ten months after announcing that she was.Well, it didn't sound like she was the full quid either .. walkinginto a hospital with a fetus she's supposedly just given birth to,without considering that the hospital would want to do a post-deliveryexamination!

LOL - I agree complete ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
news:c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.c om... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive. Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier when she made out she was pregnant. At 6 months a fetus is totall viable ie it could have lived


Not without some medical intervention.



.....if the woman had shot its mother in the head beforehand. If she cut the baby out while the mother was still alive the child would probably have lived.


Uh huh. Sure it would have. Most six month old fetuses go right home from
the hospital without so much as oxygen. What fantasy world do you live in
Di?

A fetus becomes viable at 24-25 weeks gestation.

Viable and viable without medical assistance are two different things.


Which is why she is up for two counts of murder instead of one.


What about women who undergo late term abortions due to medical
complications? Will they now be charged with murder too? The fact that she
is being charged with two counts of murder isn't *strictly* due to the fact
that the fetus was six months old. Other factors come into play in such a
decision.

Kathy 1

"Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
news:c599139c.0401022215.30f75a0a@posting.google.c om... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message > I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate > >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring. > > > >Marley > > I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do
with > premeditated murder or mad moo disease. It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have
a baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus.
The woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same
realm as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their
own as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to
require intensive care in order to survive. Kathy 1 What you're overlooking is that she had already declared she was pregnant ten months earlier. Unless she was feigning an elephants birth she had to find a baby soon. Her options caused by timing, were limited. Di

I agree she had to do *something* what I disagree with is your contention
that her intent was to find a living, breathing, child to pass off as her
own.

Kathy 1

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:VkiJb.583055$0v4.23204752@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

I have no idea what she was thinking. Maybe she thought she could
hide it and care for it in the basement until it was supposed to be "born." Beth (with Sheridan's evil-richest-man-in the-world-father Alistair disguised as lesbian Charlie) , on Passions, kidnapped pregnant
Sheridan and held her in a pit her in basement for months (in real time). Of courses, her motive was a little different. She wants Luis and Luis is in love with Sheridan although Sheridan married his brother Antonio/Brian because
he had a mysterious terminal illness. (Sheridan met Antonio when she had amnesia and was using the name Diana, after her boat was blown up by her
father and she was washed ashore on St. Lisa.) Beth waited until "Little
Martin" was born and then tried to off Sheridan by throwing her in the ocean, but Sheridan, who is used to people trying to kill her (about 12 times in the last 3 years if you count minor attempts) survived . The are destined to be apart through the ages dontcha know and it's Tabitha's job to see that happens. What I don't get is that Sheridan is one of the only people that Tabby has liked through the ages. If you go back and read Hidden Passions (yes,
I've actually read the book!), it's clear than she likes Sheridan in her Revolutionary War incarnation, because among others things if I remember correctly, she's reading Mary Woolstonecrafts' Vindication of the Rights
of Women. Too bad the current Sheridan isn't reading it. She'd dump the Lo-Fitz boys and go off with Ethan, since he's not her nephew any more, or maybe even--gasp!--get a job. BTW, I found it quite amusing that Ethan's birth certificate listed Sam as the father, not Julian, when legally
Julian was his father. Apparently, Ethan never needed a bc for the first 25
years of his life and never saw it. Since then Beth has tried to drive her insane and get her to walk off a cliff twice, and Alistair has had her committed to the psych ward of Harmony Hospital where he's paid the head of the pscyh department to shoot her up with drugs that one of his companies developed specifically for this purpose, to keep Sheridan looney tunes for the rest of her life. Marley LOL. Hubby has been home this week and Passions has been on in the background. I watch DOOL and leave the TV on the same station. I have to admit I'm interested in who the "cerial killer" is. I hope it's Phillip, simply on aesthetic grounds, but strong rumours have it
otherwise, tha it wil be a typical JERk convoluted identity crisis.

As long as it isn't a Dallas type dream sequence ugh. I loosely catch what is going on as I go about the house. The other day he asked why Alistair hates his daughter so much. I have no idea. If you do then I can tell him ;) Well, we don't know ALL the details, but it goes back to Martin
Fitzgerald's disappearance. We know that Sheridan, under hypnosis, confessed to
killing him when she was a little girl. She remembers walking down he stairs with
a knife in her hand (if I remember right) and later blood all over her, and later seeing a coffin taken out of the house in the middle of the night.
Of course, she didn't do it. However, Sheridan and Luis at one point (when they were trapped in the airgiht Crane Industry archives and Alistair pumped gas into it to kill them) before they got involved in the never ending Shuis /Antonio traingle , were trying to uncover what happened to Martin. So there's a big mystery there, and Alistair thinks that as long
as Sheridan is involved with Luis, the whole family can be brought down.
Also of note is that Antonio left Harmony shortly after Martin's disappearance and that he has his own unknown grudge against the Cranes (except for Sheridan, of course), that probably has something to do with Martin, but what? Given Sheridan's proclivities for Lo-Fitz men, Alistair is working
to keep Sheridan and Antonio together for some reason that we don't know.
I'd never trust the guy myself. There is also the possibility that Alistair isn't Sheridan's father (but who is?) If it's Martin, then it's gets
yucky due to incest issues which we are already dealing with in the awful Whitney-Chad romance. There's also some speculation that Alistair is
Beth's father, conceived back when Edna was a floozie, but again that brings up that yucky incest issue with Alistair, posing as a lesbian, kissed Beth
and seemed to turn her on, not to mention Luis's high school romance with her. Other issues: are Julian and Eve really Chad's parents? Could Liz
actually be his mother? If so, where is their son? Maybe he's Puff Dog? Who is Paloma's father? (She was sent off to Cuba or someplace to live as a
baby). Is Sam really Ethan's father? Who is John's biological mother? And why
did Grace leave Sam for a man she has no memory of ever being married to
(maybe because she was never married to him?) Is Alistair a warlock? And of course, what's in TC's shed?

I had no idea it was so convoluted. My daughters used to watch
DOOL/Passsions when they were home. Now they are away at college and I'm
still watching them. Damn them! I don't think I'll tell DH though. He's
not *that* interested lol.

Did you catch the Christmas Elve scenes and Boozy Boozeourne?

I didn't get a chance to actually sit down and watch the scenes but I did
catch bits and pieces. Julian was a hoot as Ozzy.

Kathy 1

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt6ibi$3q0kq$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:VkiJb.583055$0v4.23204752@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
LOL. Hubby has been home this week and Passions has been on in the background. I watch DOOL and leave the TV on the same station. I have to admit I'm interested in who the "cerial killer" is. I hope
it's Phillip, simply on aesthetic grounds, but strong rumours have it other tha it wil be a typical JERk convoluted identity crisis. As long as it isn't a Dallas type dream sequence ugh.

At least it would bring back all of our old friends from the dead. Somebody
suggested after yesterday's Passions that Theresa is the Salem cereal
killer. I like that idea. No doubt she learned that all those Salemites
watch Passions and thinks she's a lousy mother and deserves to have little
Ethan taken away, so she went over to another show to go on a murderous
rampage. I loosely catch what is going on as I go about the house. The other day he
asked why Alistair hates his daughter so much. I have no idea. If you do then
I can tell him ;) Well, we don't know ALL the details, but it goes back to Martin Fitzgerald's disappearance. We know that Sheridan, under hypnosis, confessed to killing him when she was a little girl. She remembers walking down he stairs
with a knife in her hand (if I remember right) and later blood all over her,
and later seeing a coffin taken out of the house in the middle of the night. Of course, she didn't do it. However, Sheridan and Luis at one point (when they were trapped in the airgiht Crane Industry archives and Alistair pumped gas into it to kill them) before they got involved in the never ending Shuis /Antonio traingle , were trying to uncover what happened to Martin. So there's a big mystery there, and Alistair thinks that as
long as Sheridan is involved with Luis, the whole family can be brought down. Also of note is that Antonio left Harmony shortly after Martin's
disappearance and that he has his own unknown grudge against the Cranes (except for Sheridan, of course), that probably has something to do with Martin, but what? Given Sheridan's proclivities for Lo-Fitz men, Alistair is
working to keep Sheridan and Antonio together for some reason that we don't know. I'd never trust the guy myself. There is also the possibility that Alistair isn't Sheridan's father (but who is?) If it's Martin, then it's gets yucky due to incest issues which we are already dealing with in the awful Whitney-Chad romance. There's also some speculation that Alistair is Beth's father, conceived back when Edna was a floozie, but again that brings up that yucky incest issue with Alistair, posing as a lesbian, kissed Beth and seemed to turn her on, not to mention Luis's high school romance with
her. Other issues: are Julian and Eve really Chad's parents? Could Liz actually be his mother? If so, where is their son? Maybe he's Puff Dog? Who
is Paloma's father? (She was sent off to Cuba or someplace to live as a baby). Is Sam really Ethan's father? Who is John's biological mother? And why did Grace leave Sam for a man she has no memory of ever being married to (maybe because she was never married to him?) Is Alistair a warlock? And of course, what's in TC's shed? I had no idea it was so convoluted.

Oh that's just the bare bones of it. Hank for instance, used to have a
storyline of his own--when he was played by somebody who knew how to act.
He was in love with Sheridan but owed a lot of gambling money to Jean Luc
who was Sheridan's boyfriend in Paris. Sheridan had seen Jean Luc kill
somebody and he wanted her dead. He tried to kill her a couple times, but
you know how Sheridan is.....So he said he'd forgive the debt if Hank killed
Sheridan. (And they let this guy on the Harmony PD later?) Ultimately,
this is how Sheridan ended up dead a couple years ago at Christmas and was
buried alive. It was sort of an FBI sting gone bad.

My daughters used to watch DOOL/Passsions when they were home. Now they are away at college and I'm still watching them. Damn them! I don't think I'll tell DH though. He's not *that* interested lol.

Too bad. It's a real religious experience. It could change his life. Did you catch the Christmas Elve scenes and Boozy Boozeourne? I didn't get a chance to actually sit down and watch the scenes but I did catch bits and pieces. Julian was a hoot as Ozzy.

Ben Masters who plays Julian is an acting genius. Big name stage actors
will practically kill to work with him. He graduated from the Theatre
Department at the U. of Oregon which was about a 6 minute walk away from my
place in Eugene. I actually played around with the idea of going over there
and asking about him, but thought better of it. Having worked 15 years at
OSU's Theatre Dept. I know what a pain people like that can be.

Marley Kathy 1

>Marley's right, psychotics are psychotic.Roberta


Good point. This means making logic of their actions is sometimes difficult.
However, it never stops us from trying!


P2P

"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:eazJb.18098$85.32@www.newsranger.com... In article <c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.com>, Dian says..."kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive.Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier whenshe made out she was pregnant. Sounds like she was hanging out with a bunch of morons if they actually
believed she was still pregnant ten months after announcing that she was. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

It's not that difficult apparently (though the 10 months might be a clue).
If women who dump their babies can convince people they aren't pregnant,
then why can't women who aren't pregnant convince people they
are--especially with fashion accessories that will help your ruse.

Marley

In article <gMDJb.275624$Ec1.9470599@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Marley
Greiner says..."Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:eazJb.18098$85.32@www.newsranger.com.. . In article <c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.com>, Dian says..."kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>...> "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message> news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om...>>> > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the> > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a> > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.>> Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that> gestational age is not likely to survive.>Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier whenshe made out she was pregnant. Sounds like she was hanging out with a bunch of morons if they actuallybelieved she was still pregnant ten months after announcing that she was. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557It's not that difficult apparently (though the 10 months might be a clue).If women who dump their babies can convince people they aren't pregnant,then why can't women who aren't pregnant convince people theyare--especially with fashion accessories that will help your ruse.

Yeah, but a 10 month pregnancy?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:X2EJb.18183$85.353@www.newsranger.com... In article <gMDJb.275624$Ec1.9470599@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Marley Greiner says..."Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:eazJb.18098$85.32@www.newsranger.com.. . In article <c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.com>, Dian
says... > >"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... >> "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message >> news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... >> >> >> > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the >> > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a >> > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. >> >> Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of
that >> gestational age is not likely to survive. >> > >Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier when >she made out she was pregnant. Sounds like she was hanging out with a bunch of morons if they actuallybelieved she was still pregnant ten months after announcing that she was. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557It's not that difficult apparently (though the 10 months might be a
clue).If women who dump their babies can convince people they aren't pregnant,then why can't women who aren't pregnant convince people theyare--especially with fashion accessories that will help your ruse. Yeah, but a 10 month pregnancy? Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

I know somebody who had one, the daughter of an attorney friend of mine.
Her husband was stationed in the Phillipines and the pregnancy went on and
on and on, and there was no miscaculation about dates. My friend fiinally
got in a plane and flew over there and demanded that labour be induced or
else she was suing the Army. It worked.

Marley

On 2 Jan 2004 22:21:31 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:
Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<d27bvvc9ajsk0c60li1p7u4n7i0j5rr0sh@4ax.com>... On 1 Jan 2004 00:58:53 -0800, patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote:lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) wrote in message news:<20031231090217.10976.00001142@mb-m24.aol.com>...> >Subject: Re: Woman guts mother to steal fetus> >From: patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian)> >Date: 12/30/03 10:34 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <c599139c.0312302134.21bbe744@posting.google.com>> >> > >>>........investigators have not yet settled on a motive in the slaying,> >> > >>>> >> > >>>Not the sharpest crayon in the pencil case.> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>Its lets pretend time..> >> > >> >> > >WTF?> >> > >> >> > >Robyn> >> >> >> > Let's pretend..I'm making sense..> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------> >> It makes perfect sense to me. Mommie Dearest pretended she was preggo--even> >> convinced her husband that she was. Then she befriends a pregnant woman,> >> kills her, cuts out the fetus and tries to pass it off as her own. It> >> happens once or twice a year. We had a case here in Ohio a couple years ago> >> where the baby survived but the wannabe mommie killed herself when police> >> tried to arrest her. It's a mentally illness, the flip side of the> >> pathology we see in dumpers. The more common manifestation of baby rabies> >> in extremis is the kidnapping of newborns from hospitals. One happened the> >> other day.> >>> >> Marley> >> >That you had to explain it indicates a surfeit of rather blunt crayons> >in this pencil box too:-)> >> >Di>> If Jackie hadn't snipped the article so brutally and explained what she was> referring to, it would have made sense.>>Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not havingsettled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpestcrayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that themotive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed thatthat motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. Asif it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course'extreme' examples of the adoption concept.The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend thechild was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself ababy she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. I thought it ironic that they could not sort it.They just like picking on you for the sake of argument. Even if itmakes their argument ridiculous.

Well Helen is sure showing her true colors..

Jackie

On 2 Jan 2004 17:32:36 -0800, sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon)
wrote:
Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<p67bvv8mm8s2hfaaupq6m29eq15kcg960p@4ax.com>... On 1 Jan 2004 17:42:09 -0800, sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote:patrice68@bigpond.com.au (Dian) wrote in message news:<c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.com>...> >> >> Jackie was responding to my comment about the investigator not having> settled on a motive. Now he was, as I said, either "not the sharpest> crayon in the pencil case, or he was 'pretending; not to see that the> motive for the killing was her desire for a child. I've noticed that> that motive is never actually voiced when these murders take place. As> if it will somehow slight adoption. Such murders are of course> 'extreme' examples of the adoption concept.>> The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the> child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a> baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously.> >> >>>>I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', andnot the former.She was connecting infertility with psychopathic behaviour andadoption. Wrong.. Do it again.. If you don't eat your meat how can you have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?Whoopsy.Correction to my previous post.The proof of the pudding (steak and kidney in this case) is inundoubtedly the eating.

Yes but if you don't eat the real meal..(the original issue in this
thread.. A crazy woman stealing a baby)

Then you can't have your desert.. ie pudding..
(the pudding being the stupid cop or authority trying to sort the why
of it..)

I was quoting insanity that had a real meaning..
I was quoting from The Wall..



Jackie

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt6h82$3rbkg$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401022211.114e61e3@posting.google.c om... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt40k1$2rlc8$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401010058.4d4f96a2@posting.google.c om... > The other pretence was of course the killers intent to pretend the > child was hers. Had it not died she may well have landed herself a > baby she could pretend was hers. Which was her intent. Obviously. Really? Obviously? I think most people realize that a fetus of that gestational age is not likely to survive. Yes really! Obviously! She began her pretence ten months earlier when she made out she was pregnant. At 6 months a fetus is totall viable ie it could have lived Not without some medical intervention.
Well of course. Which is possibly why she took it to the hospital. to
recuscitate it more than likely.
....if the woman had shot its mother in the head beforehand. If she cut the baby out while the mother was still alive the child would probably have lived. Uh huh. Sure it would have. Most six month old fetuses go right home from the hospital without so much as oxygen. What fantasy world do you live in Di?

Who said it was going straight home from the hospital? She took it to
one, in her deranged state. A fetus becomes viable at 24-25 weeks gestation. Viable and viable without medical assistance are two different things.
Well duh! Which is why she is up for two counts of murder instead of one. What about women who undergo late term abortions due to medical complications? Will they now be charged with murder too?

They should be. While I'm pro-choice I find even the thought of late
term
abortions reprehensible. In my mind it is murder once a fetus becomes
viable and could live without being attached to its mother.

The fact that she is being charged with two counts of murder isn't *strictly* due to the fact that the fetus was six months old.

Yes it is. According to the police prosecuter.

Other factors come into play in such a decision.

What decision?

Di

Kathy 1

"kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt6hea$3s66v$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Dian" <patrice68@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:c599139c.0401022215.30f75a0a@posting.google.c om... "kat" <katlat24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bt410j$355f3$1@ID-203097.news.uni-berlin.de>... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:2CLIb.264707$Ec1.9136669@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > "Kathy" <meagan787@aol.comsthesun> wrote in message > > I'm commenting on the ludricrous desire to procreate > > >and clone oneself and to infest the adult world with ill-kempt offspring. > > > > > >Marley > > > > I know that is what you are commenting on but it has nothing to do with > > premeditated murder or mad moo disease. > > It has everything to do with it. It's about a psychotic need to have a > baybee at any cost. She wanted one and she got it--so to speak. Except what is being overlooked is that this was a *six month* fetus. The woman knew the murder victim for over a month so she was aware of the gestational age of the fetus. I don't think this falls into the same realm as those who are attempting to obtain a fetus/child to pass off as their own as most people are well aware that a fetus of that age is going to require intensive care in order to survive. Kathy 1 What you're overlooking is that she had already declared she was pregnant ten months earlier. Unless she was feigning an elephants birth she had to find a baby soon. Her options caused by timing, were limited. Di I agree she had to do *something* what I disagree with is your contention that her intent was to find a living, breathing, child to pass off as her own.
Okay Columbo, how do you explain her motive for feigning pregnancy?
How was she going to manage that little slight of hand without eventually
producing a baby? Where else was she going to get one except from a pregnant woman?

Di



Kathy 1

Jackie <forgetit@me.com> wrote in message news:<8krevvk8ud52rgfahe0974ognpifml2uq2@4ax.com>... On 2 Jan 2004 17:32:36 -0800, sarallewellyn@gosympatico.ca (Rhiannon) wrote: >> >I have no doubt that Jackie was refering to the latter 'pretence', and >not the former. She was connecting infertility with psychopathic >behaviour and adoption. Wrong.. Do it again.. If you don't eat your meat how can you have any pudding? How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? > >The proof of the pudding (steak and kidney in this case) is inundoubtedly the eating.


Yes but if you don't eat the real meal..(the original issue in this thread.. A crazy woman stealing a baby) Then you can't have your desert.. ie pudding.. (the pudding being the stupid cop or authority trying to sort the why of it..) I was quoting insanity that had a real meaning.. I was quoting from The Wall..



Doesn't jive.

I was quoting from Cervantes.
I'm saying that the proof of the intention of your original post
('It's lets pretend time again') is to be found in the manner of it's
delivery (ironic, arch, sarcastic and deliberately ambiguous)



Rh. Jackie