"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net... Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's
needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.

That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of
narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone
themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need a
replicant.

Marley

Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can be
looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for
what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act
of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,
feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,
snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.

"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net... Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can
be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an
act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need a replicant. Marley

If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Is
that what you want?

Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can be
looked at as selfish on the parents part.

Yes it can be


Now, I may get snarled at for
what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act
of selflessness.

Yes it can be


It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,
feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,
snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.

You're entitled.

My desire to adopt was first and foremost a selfish desire to be a Mommy. It
was about me. It was about my needs and my desires.

BEING a parent is all about my daughter. LOL, I have no needs except for hers.

I absolutely do not see my desire to parent, or to become an adoptive parent,
as some sort of noble act or a selfless deed.

In article <kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net>, JMH says..."Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
snip That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need a replicant. MarleyIf no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Isthat what you want?

Look, don't get into it. Marley doesn't like kids - No problem as that's her
business. But in case you want to avoid WWIII...............

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

jmh writes of parenthood:
Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.

I totally agree with you, jmh. To take parenting a step further, I think it is
a way to establish a mutually beneficial relationship. Good parents are
expected to put the needs of the children very high on their lists of
priorities. Some might even argue that, at least while the children are young,
good parents have little life outside nurturing the little ones. I feel this
way about my boys. My life revolves around caring for them, which is my
privilege. I very much wanted to be a mother, a good mother. Meeting the
needs of my children meets my needs at this stage of life. The fact that my
boys came to the family via adoption is very important to their personal
histories, but has no bearing on the symbiotic relationship we share.


P2P

Marley puts a positive spin on parenthood:
but the entire act of reproduction is an act ofnarcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clonethemselves, and then be congratulated for it. >>

Of course we are programmed to procreate. Survival of the species and all that
rot, Marley.


P2P

>If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Isthat what you want?

Emphatically, yes.

P2P channeling Marley


P2P

djanice writes:

<snip>
BEING a parent is all about my daughter. LOL, I have no needs except forhers.

Your desires/needs to mother are being met, right?
I absolutely do not see my desire to parent, or to become an adoptive parent,as some sort of noble act or a selfless deed.

I agree wholeheartedly. In short, admitting adoption is rarely an act of
nobility or selflessness is admitting adopting is as much about meeting the
parents' needs to parent as it is about a child receiving nurturing.

Bad run-on sentence, but you get my drift.


P2P

<snip>
BEING a parent is all about my daughter. LOL, I have no needs except forhers.

Your desires/needs to mother are being met, right?

***** some days... hahahahaa...
I absolutely do not see my desire to parent, or to become an adoptive parent,as some sort of noble act or a selfless deed.

I agree wholeheartedly. In short, admitting adoption is rarely an act of
nobility or selflessness is admitting adopting is as much about meeting the
parents' needs to parent as it is about a child receiving nurturing.

Exactly!

Bad run-on sentence, but you get my drift.

"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message
news:20031203143430.15826.00000051@mb-m21.aol.com... jmh writes of parenthood:Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can
belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an
actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's
needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. I totally agree with you, jmh. To take parenting a step further, I think
it is a way to establish a mutually beneficial relationship. Good parents are expected to put the needs of the children very high on their lists of priorities. Some might even argue that, at least while the children are
young, good parents have little life outside nurturing the little ones. I feel
this way about my boys. My life revolves around caring for them, which is my privilege. I very much wanted to be a mother, a good mother. Meeting the needs of my children meets my needs at this stage of life. The fact that
my boys came to the family via adoption is very important to their personal histories, but has no bearing on the symbiotic relationship we share. P2P


Very well said.

"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net... Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption
can be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at
for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.
So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need a replicant. Marley If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Is that what you want?

Yes.

Marley

"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message
news:20031203143554.15826.00000052@mb-m21.aol.com... Marley puts a positive spin on parenthood:but the entire act of reproduction is an act ofnarcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clonethemselves, and then be congratulated for it. >> Of course we are programmed to procreate. Survival of the species and all
that rot, Marley. P2P

It is it rot. There is no reason for the species to survive.

Marley

"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message
news:20031203143942.15826.00000054@mb-m21.aol.com... djanice writes: <snip>BEING a parent is all about my daughter. LOL, I have no needs except forhers. Your desires/needs to mother are being met, right?I absolutely do not see my desire to parent, or to become an adoptive
parent,as some sort of noble act or a selfless deed. I agree wholeheartedly. In short, admitting adoption is rarely an act of nobility or selflessness is admitting adopting is as much about meeting
the parents' needs to parent as it is about a child receiving nurturing. Bad run-on sentence, but you get my drift. P2P

Yeah, when people admit it, it's much better. Unfortunately, most don't and
think we all believe adoption is altruistic.

Marley

"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net... "Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net... Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption
can be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at
for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.
So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need a replicant. Marley If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Is that what you want?


The world would not end. The world would, in all likelihood, be much better
off.

Jack

In article <Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> writes:
Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.

I imagine you've gotten your wish by now, but I'm not writing to snarl. I
simply disagree with the entire concept of selfless conduct, aka altruism,
selflessness, etc.
All rational acts ultimately are selfish in that the actor is rewarded or seeks
to be rewarded as a result of the act. That reward may be tangible or
intangible but it, or the possibility of it, is always there, even if it as
fleeting as a societal nod of approval. (The cynic in me says that the concept
of selfless behavior is something foisted on the common man by those seeking to
control him, be it church, state or some other institution seeking its own
ends.)

I, and every other adoptive parent I know, adopted because we sought something
out of the process. In most cases, that was a child: the experience of raising
a child and having a family. In a few cases, I could argue that it was for
self-glorification, at least in part.

J.

>Subject: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:56 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net>Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.
Being a parent, to me, is most often about having someone else to love you (and
for you to love). Not totally selfish, but far from selfless. Parents who see
themselves as saviors are the ones who torture their children with their
unrealistic expectations.
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net>"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net... Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption canbe looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is anact of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need a replicant. MarleyIf no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Isthat what you want?

Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want an armageddon,
but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone, and all
of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue?
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"Kathy T" <reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe> wrote in message
news:20031203234812.15398.00000128@mb-m04.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net>"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net... > Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption
canbe > looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at
for > what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is
anact > of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs, > feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.
So, > snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't need
a replicant. Marley >If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Isthat what you want? Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want an
armageddon, but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone, and
all of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

guess you don't believe in reincarnation then.

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: jmdjmh@aol.com (J.)Date: 12/3/03 7:40 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031203214023.23171.00002479@mb-m05.aol.com>
I, and every other adoptive parent I know, adopted because we soughtsomethingout of the process. In most cases, that was a child: the experience ofraisinga child and having a family.

And IMO, there is certainly nothing wrong with that. I think it's a good thing
to be up front about. It's the "I'm going to rescue needy children" (whether
it's the erroneous newbie pap idea that there are truckloads of HWI, or even
kids from foster care) thing that makes me feel suspect and/or skeeves me out.
"I want to be a parent" is a whole lot more healthy than "I want to be a
savior".

I LIKE the idea of wanting to "raise a child and have a family". I believe
that in most cases, adoption is a good thing. There are kids who need families
and families who need kids. I don't care if it's
domestic/foster/international. But as an adult adoptee, I just find the
"savior" **** unpalatable. JMO, of course.





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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:14 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <Sozzb.322$tw1.23048@nnrp1.ptd.
Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want anarmageddon, but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone, andall of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racineguess you don't believe in reincarnation then.

Hope you don't provide that tidbit if you plan on adopting through Catholic
Charities or LSS. LOL


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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe (Kathy T)Date: 12/3/03 9:35 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031203233559.15398.00000121@mb-m04.aol.com>Subject: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:56 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net>Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.Being a parent, to me, is most often about having someone else to love you(andfor you to love). Not totally selfish, but far from selfless. Parents whoseethemselves as saviors are the ones who torture their children with theirunrealistic expectations.Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Indeed. It's those who view adoption as a "selfless" act who need to be looked
at very carefully. VERY carefully.


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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

> >> Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want anarmageddon, but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone,
andall of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racineguess you don't believe in reincarnation then. Hope you don't provide that tidbit if you plan on adopting through
Catholic Charities or LSS. LOL


Me?? I do not believe in reincarnation either. Just making a statement
above.

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else'sneeds, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be more selflessthan selfish.

Talking to yourself? Uh oh.


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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

In article <Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net>
wrote:
Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.


I'm not going to tell you how to feel :-)

As in most things, having a chils (IMVHO) is both selfless and selfish.
Why do most people want kids? Because they do. Do we really need to
explain it further than that? It's one of those human emotions.

I have it, Marley doesn't :-)





steve

> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's
needs, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.

adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be more selfless
than selfish.

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can
be looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at
for what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an
act of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else'sneeds, feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be more
selflessthan selfish. Talking to yourself? Uh oh.

No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this ng.
Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in my
family...........or does it......humm.....

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 9:14 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <Sozzb.322$tw1.23048@nnrp1.ptd.net>"Kathy T" <reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe> wrote in messagenews:20031203234812.15398.00000128@mb-m04.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net>"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...>> "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message> news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net...> > Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoptioncanbe> > looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled atfor> > what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it isanact> > of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's> needs,> > feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.So,> > snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.>> That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of> narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone> themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't needa> replicant.>> Marley> >If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Isthat what you want? Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want anarmageddon, but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone, andall of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racineguess you don't believe in reincarnation then.
What does that have to do with reproduction?
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:17 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <PjAzb.338$tw1.23359@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net>>> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption canbe> looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled atfor> what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is anact> of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else'sneeds,> feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,> snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.>adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be moreselflessthan selfish. Talking to yourself? Uh oh.No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this ng.Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in myfamily...........or does it......humm.....

Well, if you look back....you were responding to your own post. That's why I
was wondering.


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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:36 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. What does that have to do with reproduction? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racinenot exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are thereincarnation of us...........
Well, you were the one that said you didn't believe in reincarnation, so which
is it?

What kids are a reincarnation of who? I don't believe I'm a reincarnation of
someone. If I am, bully for them, lol. If we didn't have the kids, we
wouldn't have anyone to take care of. I'm not saying kids shouldn't be, I'm
just saying it is not our responsibility to repopulate the Earth, and that is
no reason to have children.
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. What does that have to do with reproduction? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the
reincarnation of us...........

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:45 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <QJAzb.342$tw1.23456@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204013001.14243.00000173@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:17 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <PjAzb.338$tw1.23359@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish> >From: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.net> >Date: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net>> >> >>> >> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoptioncanbe> >> looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled atfor> >> what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it isanact> >> of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's> >needs,> >> feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.So,> >> snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.> >>> >> >adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be moreselfless> >than selfish.>> Talking to yourself? Uh oh.>No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this ng.Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in myfamily...........or does it......humm..... Well, if you look back....you were responding to your own post. That'swhy I was wondering.i know that. i was just putting in more than my original post but itdidn't apply to anyone else really

Hmm. Well then you might want to state that when you do it (like "tacking on
to my own post here"). Otherwise you might be mistaken for a nut. ;-)


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:44 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <%IAzb.341$tw1.23517@nnrp1.ptd.net>"Kathy T" <reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe> wrote in messagenews:20031204013041.15174.00000144@mb-m04.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:36 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>> >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then.> >> >> What does that have to do with reproduction?> Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racinenot exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that arethereincarnation of us........... Well, you were the one that said you didn't believe in reincarnation, sowhich is it?i don't, some people do.

Darn, Kathy, she really showed you!


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 12/3/03 10:30 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031204013001.14243.00000173@mb-m28.aol.com>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:17 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <PjAzb.338$tw1.23359@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish >From: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.net >Date: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net> > >> >> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption canbe >> looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled atfor >> what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is anact >> of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's >needs, >> feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So, >> snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. >> > >adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be moreselfless >than selfish. Talking to yourself? Uh oh.No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this ng.Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in myfamily...........or does it......humm.....Well, if you look back....you were responding to your own post. That's why Iwas wondering.-------------------------A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friendwillbe sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"-----Unknown
I wonder if she gets extra credit in her class for that one???
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"Kathy T" <reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe> wrote in message
news:20031204013041.15174.00000144@mb-m04.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:36 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net> >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > What does that have to do with reproduction? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racinenot exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are
thereincarnation of us........... Well, you were the one that said you didn't believe in reincarnation, so
which is it?

i don't, some people do.

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031204013001.14243.00000173@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:17 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <PjAzb.338$tw1.23359@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish >From: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.net >Date: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net> > >> >> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption
canbe >> looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled atfor >> what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is
anact >> of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's >needs, >> feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.
So, >> snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. >> > >adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be moreselfless >than selfish. Talking to yourself? Uh oh.No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this ng.Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in myfamily...........or does it......humm..... Well, if you look back....you were responding to your own post. That's
why I was wondering.

i know that. i was just putting in more than my original post but it
didn't apply to anyone else really

"Kathy T" <reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe> wrote in message
news:20031204013929.15174.00000145@mb-m04.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 12/3/03 10:30 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031204013001.14243.00000173@mb-m28.aol.com>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:17 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <PjAzb.338$tw1.23359@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish> >From: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.net> >Date: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net>> >> >>> >> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption
canbe> >> looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled
atfor> >> what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is
anact> >> of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone
else's> >needs,> >> feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.
So,> >> snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.> >>> >> >adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be moreselfless> >than selfish.>> Talking to yourself? Uh oh.>No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this
ng.Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in myfamily...........or does it......humm.....Well, if you look back....you were responding to your own post. That's
why Iwas wondering.-------------------------A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friendwillbe sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"-----Unknown I wonder if she gets extra credit in her class for that one??? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine .

who? what class?

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031204013652.14243.00000179@mb-m28.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:45 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <QJAzb.342$tw1.23456@nnrp1.ptd.net>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031204013001.14243.00000173@mb-m28.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish >From: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.net >Date: 12/3/03 11:17 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <PjAzb.338$tw1.23359@nnrp1.ptd.net> > > >"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >news:20031204010103.14243.00000169@mb-m28.aol.com... >> >Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish >> >From: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.net >> >Date: 12/3/03 11:06 PM Mountain Standard Time >> >Message-id: <p9Azb.334$tw1.23252@nnrp1.ptd.net> >> > >> >> >> >> Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that
adoptioncan >be >> >> looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled
at >for >> >> what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it
isan >act >> >> of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone
else's >> >needs, >> >> feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this
way.So, >> >> snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. >> >> >> > >> >adoption is not selfless or selfish. good parenting should be more >selfless >> >than selfish. >> >> Talking to yourself? Uh oh. >> > >No, actually I was under the impression that other people are on this
ng. >Was I imagining them all? Gee, schizophrenia doesn't run in my >family...........or does it......humm..... Well, if you look back....you were responding to your own post. That'swhy I was wondering.i know that. i was just putting in more than my original post but itdidn't apply to anyone else really Hmm. Well then you might want to state that when you do it (like
"tacking on to my own post here"). Otherwise you might be mistaken for a nut. ;-)


will do in the future........

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031204002212.01560.00000080@mb-m20.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 10:14 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <Sozzb.322$tw1.23048@nnrp1.ptd. Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want anarmageddon, but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone,
andall of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racineguess you don't believe in reincarnation then. Hope you don't provide that tidbit if you plan on adopting through
Catholic Charities or LSS. LOL

*Lotsa* Catholics believe in reincarnation! <g>

Helen

------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

jmdjmh@aol.com (J.) wrote in message news:<20031203214023.23171.00002479@mb-m05.aol.com>... In article <Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> writes:Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. I imagine you've gotten your wish by now, but I'm not writing to snarl. I simply disagree with the entire concept of selfless conduct, aka altruism, selflessness, etc. All rational acts ultimately are selfish in that the actor is rewarded or seeks to be rewarded as a result of the act. That reward may be tangible or intangible but it, or the possibility of it, is always there, even if it as fleeting as a societal nod of approval. (The cynic in me says that the concept of selfless behavior is something foisted on the common man by those seeking to control him, be it church, state or some other institution seeking its own ends.) I, and every other adoptive parent I know, adopted because we sought something out of the process. In most cases, that was a child: the experience of raising a child and having a family. In a few cases, I could argue that it was for self-glorification, at least in part. J.





J, P2P and Marley,

How refreshing to see so much candor and raw honesty!

(applauding loudly)

SoulWhisper

In article <44Azb.332$tw1.23339@nnrp1.ptd.net>, JMH says...> Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want anarmageddon,> but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone,andall> of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue?> Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine>guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. Hope you don't provide that tidbit if you plan on adopting throughCatholic Charities or LSS. LOLMe?? I do not believe in reincarnation either.

Then why even bring it up?

Just making a statementabove.

Ooooookay

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <Sozzb.322$tw1.23048@nnrp1.ptd.net>, JMH says..."Kathy T" <reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe> wrote in messagenews:20031203234812.15398.00000128@mb-m04.aol.com...Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "JMH" jmh1116@ptd.netDate: 12/3/03 11:06 AM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <kvqzb.259$tw1.19360@nnrp1.ptd.net>"Marley Greiner" <maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:Yiqzb.382958$0v4.19615659@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...>> "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message> news:Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net...> > Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoptioncanbe> > looked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled atfor> > what I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it isanact> > of selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's> needs,> > feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way.So,> > snarl if you must, but this is how I feel.>> That's what they claim, but the entire act of reproduction is an act of> narcissistic selfishness--some weird need to recreate or even clone> themselves, and then be congratulated for it. Secure people don't needa> replicant.>> Marley> >If no one ever has kids (biological or adopted) the world would end. Isthat what you want? Honestly, once I'm no longer living, who cares? I don't want anarmageddon, but truly, why must we continue to populate the earth? Once I'm gone, andall of those I love are gone, who cares who is here to continue? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racineguess you don't believe in reincarnation then.

What in the world does that have to do with the issue being discussed?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

When my daughter asks why we adopted her we tell her it was because we
needed a little girl to love, and she needed parents to love her.

Linda

"Linda Fortney" <lfortney@dc.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:bqni9p$l00@marple.umd.edu... When my daughter asks why we adopted her we tell her it was because we needed a little girl to love, and she needed parents to love her. Linda

Sounds good to me, Linda!

Marley

In article <bqni9p$l00@marple.umd.edu>, Linda Fortney says...When my daughter asks why we adopted her we tell her it was because weneeded a little girl to love, and she needed parents to love her.Linda

Wonderful! :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "Marley Greiner" maddogmarley@worldnet.att.netDate: 12/4/03 8:18 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <0fIzb.388436$0v4.19720072@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>"Linda Fortney" <lfortney@dc.umd.edu> wrote in messagenews:bqni9p$l00@marple.umd.edu... When my daughter asks why we adopted her we tell her it was because we needed a little girl to love, and she needed parents to love her. LindaSounds good to me, Linda!Marley

Me too! Wonderful!


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"Linda Fortney" <lfortney@dc.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:bqni9p$l00@marple.umd.edu... When my daughter asks why we adopted her we tell her it was because we needed a little girl to love, and she needed parents to love her.

It says it all, and it says enough.

Helen
Linda

"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>...guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. What does that have to do with reproduction? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the reincarnation of us...........

You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being.
Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles

Rupa

"Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
news:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.c om... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > What does that have to do with reproduction? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are
the reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles

Dung?

Helen
Rupa

"helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie... "Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message news:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.c om... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that
are the reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles Dung? Helen

Oh my! ha ha ha

I see you're on the ball - the dung ball. :c)

Judy

"Judy" <wumpygirl@__yahoo__.com> wrote in message
news:ydTzb.14332$zf2.1584367@news20.bellglobal.com ... "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote in message news:wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie... "Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message news:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.c om... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine > > not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the > reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles Dung? Helen Oh my! ha ha ha I see you're on the ball - the dung ball. :c)

I have the scarabs to prove it. :-)

Helen
Judy

In article <wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in messagenews:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.g oogle.com... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in messagenews:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that arethe reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: BeetlesDung?

Palmetto bugs <shudder>

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

soulwhisper7@aol.com (soulwhisper) wrote in message news:<c403a139.0312040509.178d58e7@posting.google.com>... jmdjmh@aol.com (J.) wrote in message news:<20031203214023.23171.00002479@mb-m05.aol.com>... In article <Tlqzb.256$tw1.19380@nnrp1.ptd.net>, "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> writes:Many people on this newsgroup have mentioned the idea that adoption can belooked at as selfish on the parents part. Now, I may get snarled at forwhat I am adout to say, but my take on being a parent is that it is an actof selflessness. It is the idea that you are putting someone else's needs,feelings, future, happiness above your own that makes it this way. So,snarl if you must, but this is how I feel. I imagine you've gotten your wish by now, but I'm not writing to snarl. I simply disagree with the entire concept of selfless conduct, aka altruism, selflessness, etc. All rational acts ultimately are selfish in that the actor is rewarded or seeks to be rewarded as a result of the act. That reward may be tangible or intangible but it, or the possibility of it, is always there, even if it as fleeting as a societal nod of approval. (The cynic in me says that the concept of selfless behavior is something foisted on the common man by those seeking to control him, be it church, state or some other institution seeking its own ends.) I, and every other adoptive parent I know, adopted because we sought something out of the process. In most cases, that was a child: the experience of raising a child and having a family. In a few cases, I could argue that it was for self-glorification, at least in part. J. J, P2P and Marley, How refreshing to see so much candor and raw honesty! (applauding loudly)




*Raw* honesty?
You're kidding, of course.

(muttering faintly)





Rh. SoulWhisper

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: rkbose@pacific.net.sg (Rupa Bose)Date: 12/4/03 4:28 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.com>"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in messagenews:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > What does that have to do with reproduction? Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that arethe reincarnation of us...........You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being.Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: BeetlesRupa
I'm definitely going to be reborn as John Lennon!
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

In article <20031206121708.16291.00000212@mb-m22.aol.com>,
reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe (Kathy T) writes:
Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: rkbose@pacific.net.sg (Rupa Bose)Date: 12/4/03 4:28 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.com>"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in messagenews:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that arethe reincarnation of us...........You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being.Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: BeetlesRupaI'm definitely going to be reborn as John Lennon!

Dead?

J.

Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: jmdjmh@aol.com (J.)Date: 12/6/03 3:27 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031206182759.28496.00002523@mb-m18.aol.com>In article <20031206121708.16291.00000212@mb-m22.aol.com>,reneekarynracine@aol.comhomesafe (Kathy T) writes:Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: rkbose@pacific.net.sg (Rupa Bose)Date: 12/4/03 4:28 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.com>"JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in messagenews:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>...> > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then.> > >> > >> > What does that have to do with reproduction?> > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine>> not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that arethe> reincarnation of us...........You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being.Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: BeetlesRupaI'm definitely going to be reborn as John Lennon!Dead?J.Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine
Not if I/he were reincarnated ;-)
Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine

Permanent good can never be the outcome of untruth and violence.
--Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive
at that goal.
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote in message news:<wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie>... "Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message news:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.c om... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles Dung? Helen Rupa

John, Paul or Ringo?

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<dT%zb.34002$cJ5.5281@www.newsranger.com>... In article <wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in messagenews:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.g oogle.com... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine > > not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the > reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: BeetlesDung? Palmetto bugs <shudder> Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557


I thought Palmetto bugs were more akin to roaches.

In article <4b23522a.0312062007.40ad846b@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<dT%zb.34002$cJ5.5281@www.newsranger.com>... In article <wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in messagenews:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.g oogle.com...> "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>...> > > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then.> > > >> > > >> > > What does that have to do with reproduction?> > > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine> >> > not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the> > reincarnation of us...........>> You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being.> Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: BeetlesDung? Palmetto bugs <shudder> Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557I thought Palmetto bugs were more akin to roaches.

Everyone in Florida always told me that they're "water bugs"?

Who the freak cares?!?! They look like cockroaches on steroids!

(and aren't roaches a kind of beetle?)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message
news:4b23522a.0312062006.170c3f51@posting.google.c om... "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote in message
news:<wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie>... "Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message news:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.c om... "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... > > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. > > > > > > > > What does that have to do with reproduction? > > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine > > not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that
are the > reincarnation of us........... You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles Dung? Helen Rupa John, Paul or Ringo?

By George, I think you've got it! <g>

Helen

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<XzGAb.34491$cJ5.5367@www.newsranger.com>... In article <4b23522a.0312062007.40ad846b@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<dT%zb.34002$cJ5.5281@www.newsranger.com>... In article <wGRzb.3303$nm6.17771@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says... > > >"Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message >news:e5619372.0312041628.394ca100@posting.google.c om... >> "JMH" <jmh1116@ptd.net> wrote in message news:<UBAzb.340$tw1.23453@nnrp1.ptd.net>... >> > > >guess you don't believe in reincarnation then. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > What does that have to do with reproduction? >> > > Kathy, born Renee Karyn Racine >> > >> > not exactly sure............someones gotta keep having the kids that are the >> > reincarnation of us........... >> >> You don't *have* to be reborn as a human being. >> Some of us will be reborn as members of the master species: Beetles > >Dung? Palmetto bugs <shudder> Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557I thought Palmetto bugs were more akin to roaches. Everyone in Florida always told me that they're "water bugs"? Who the freak cares?!?! They look like cockroaches on steroids! (and aren't roaches a kind of beetle?) Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

You are probablly right, lol and I don't really want to find out. I
have seen palmetto bugs and they are creepy, flying things and quite
long if I remember.The first time I remember hearing about palmettos
was in college. I went to Florida for a week with some friends and the
night before we were going to check into the motel we'd stay in for
the remainder of our trip we had one night to spend at this little
dump. We were glad there was a vacancy until the woman asked if we
minded "palmetto bugs". We should have known right then and there,
lol. EWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwww Palmettos, roaches, YUK

aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote

Who the freak cares?!?! They look like cockroaches on steroids! (and aren't roaches a kind of beetle?) Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 You are probablly right, lol and I don't really want to find out. I have seen palmetto bugs and they are creepy, flying things and quite long if I remember.

Palmetto bugs are cockroaches, which are not beetles. In fact,
cockroaches have been around from before the dinosaurs. They may be
the basic unit of reincarnation.

Rupa
(Google-bug)

In article <4b23522a.0312071908.553dc05d@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<XzGAb.34491$cJ5.5367@www.newsranger.com>...snip
Everyone in Florida always told me that they're "water bugs"? Who the freak cares?!?! They look like cockroaches on steroids! (and aren't roaches a kind of beetle?) Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557You are probablly right, lol and I don't really want to find out. Ihave seen palmetto bugs and they are creepy, flying things and quitelong if I remember.

About 5-6 inches long (eeeek!)

The first time I remember hearing about palmettoswas in college. I went to Florida for a week with some friends and thenight before we were going to check into the motel we'd stay in forthe remainder of our trip we had one night to spend at this littledump. We were glad there was a vacancy until the woman asked if weminded "palmetto bugs".

Aaaaiiiieee!

We should have known right then and there,lol. EWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwww Palmettos, roaches, YUK

LOL, oh dear ;)

I went to college at the University of Florida. Once there was one of those
horrible creatures flying around the girls' side of the dorm. This thing got
smacked no less than five times with a shoe and kept on going. It finally flew
under someone's door - Boy, you should have heard the screaming inside that room
;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
news:e5619372.0312072355.1703a008@posting.google.c om... aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote Who the freak cares?!?! They look like cockroaches on steroids! (and aren't roaches a kind of beetle?) Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 You are probablly right, lol and I don't really want to find out. I have seen palmetto bugs and they are creepy, flying things and quite long if I remember. Palmetto bugs are cockroaches, which are not beetles. In fact, cockroaches have been around from before the dinosaurs. They may be the basic unit of reincarnation.

LOL "Long, long ago..."

Is it possible that the *massive* cockroaches I saw in (I think, Colombo/Sri
Lanka) were in fact Palmettos?

Helen Rupa (Google-bug)

Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may have unlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, I can honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child, regardless of age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption for all of the right reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want an infant, perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish desires on their minds. Many people in society don't respect them. If an adoptive parent is willing to adopt "any" child, then I believe they are not selfish. I know so many adoptees who are really messed up due to the fact that they were "store bought babies." For those who want to adopt only a baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try to say. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a classic case of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made you infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!

"RealMother" <lawyers@nospam.robertsesq.com> wrote in message
news:eac4f74c651ef05d63117b03892a5e5a@localhost.ta lkaboutparenting.com... Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may have
unlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, I
can honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child,
regardless of age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption
for all of the right reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want
an infant, perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish
desires on their minds. Many people in society don't respect them. If an
adoptive parent is willing to adopt "any" child, then I believe they are not
selfish. I know so many adoptees who are really messed up due to the fact
that they were "store bought babies." For those who want to adopt only a
baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try
to say. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a
classic case of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made you
infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!

Oh yeah. Just what we were all waiting for, the first troll of 2004.

Helen

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMother" lawyers@nospam.robertsesq.comDate: 1/4/04 5:05 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id:<eac4f74c651ef05d63117b03892a5e5a@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may haveunlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, Ican honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child, regardlessof age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption for all of theright reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want an infant,perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish desires ontheir minds. Many people in society don't respect them. If an adoptiveparent is willing to adopt "any" child, then I believe they are not selfish.I know so many adoptees who are really messed up due to the fact that theywere "store bought babies." For those who want to adopt only a baby,caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try tosay. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a classiccase of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made you infertile, maybeyou weren't meant to have a child!

LOL,....full moon tonight?



Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

"RealMother" <lawyers@nospam.robertsesq.com> wrote in message
news:eac4f74c651ef05d63117b03892a5e5a@localhost.ta lkaboutparenting.com... Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may have
unlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, I
can honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child,
regardless of age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption
for all of the right reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want
an infant, perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish
desires on their minds. Many people in society don't respect them. If an
adoptive parent is willing to adopt "any" child, then I believe they are not
selfish. I know so many adoptees who are really messed up due to the fact
that they were "store bought babies." For those who want to adopt only a
baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try
to say. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a
classic case of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made you
infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!

If God had wanted you to post on the internet, he would have taught you to
spell check.

I took a quick look at robertesq.com, and there are a number of spelling
mistakes. The big heading should read my homepages, not my homepage's.

But if you are a lawyer, it is doubly bad. Although elementary school
teachers do not grade on literacy, other lawyers and judges do.

You, as the first troll of 2004, fall into that time wearied category - the
illiterati.

Doug Thomas

>For those who want to adopt only a baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, youare selfish no matter what you try to say. For anyone who disputes thispublicly on this board, you are a classic case of a selfish, narcissisticperson. If God had made you infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have achild!>>

Lori, is that you?


P2P

In article
<eac4f74c651ef05d63117b03892a5e5a@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>,
"RealMother" <lawyers@nospam.robertsesq.com> wrote:
Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may have unlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, I can honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child, regardless of age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption for all of the right reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want an infant, perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish desires on their minds.


I'm curious as to how you came to know what the "majority who adopt"
seem to want.

For someone who proposed to "clarify this comment", you seem to have
left your own statement ... unclarified.

Many people in society don't respect them.


And you speak for them; how nice.

For those who want to adopt only a baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try to say. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a classic case of a selfish, narcissistic person.


Perhaps when you're done with the psychology book you might turn to the
chapter about you.

If God had made you infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!


Perhaps God didn't want you to parent yours.




steve

In article <20040104205702.21755.00001275@mb-m26.aol.com>,
palms2pines@aol.comh8spam (Palms2pines) wrote:
For those who want to adopt only a baby, caucasion, with nodisabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try to say. Foranyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a classiccase of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made youinfertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!>> Lori, is that you? P2P


Can't be, it was posted only once.




steve

"RealMother" <lawyers@nospam.robertsesq.com> wrote in message
news:eac4f74c651ef05d63117b03892a5e5a@localhost.ta lkaboutparenting.com... Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may have
unlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, I
can honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child,
regardless of age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption
for all of the right reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want
an infant, perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish
desires on their minds. Many people in society don't respect them. If an
adoptive parent is willing to adopt "any" child, then I believe they are not
selfish. I know so many adoptees who are really messed up due to the fact
that they were "store bought babies." For those who want to adopt only a
baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try
to say. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a
classic case of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made you
infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!

Why would anybody want to adopt a 2-headed baybee? A 1-headed baybee is
bad enough.

Marley

In article <eac4f74c651ef05d63117b03892a5e5a@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>,
RealMother says...Perhaps we can clarify this comment. True, adoptive parents may have unlimited love to give to their future adopted children. As an adoptee, I can honestly say that I feel adoptive parents who adopt any child, regardless of age, race or disabilities are probably considering adoption for all of the right reasons. But the majority who adopt only seem to want an infant, perhaps one they can brainwash or they just have too many selfish desires on their minds. Many people in society don't respect them. If an adoptive parent is willing to adopt "any" child, then I believe they are not selfish. I know so many adoptees who are really messed up due to the fact that they were "store bought babies." For those who want to adopt only a baby, caucasion, with no disabilites, you are selfish no matter what you try to say. For anyone who disputes this publicly on this board, you are a classic case of a selfish, narcissistic person. If God had made you infertile, maybe you weren't meant to have a child!

"Troll, troll, troll your boat"

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

>> Lori, is that you? P2PCan't be, it was posted only once.steve


Keen observation, Steve.


P2P

Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends:

I am not sure where you got your information concerning
the adoption industry, however, contrary to your misnomer
moniker, you are greatly in error. Although it is certainly true that some adoptive parents may spend their time merely doting on their adoptive children as the role of second parents in some specific role, it is equally true
that there is a huge insurgence in your country of adult adoptees who are coming out and speaking out about the abuse tey suffered at the hands of extremely dysfunctional and frustrated, infertile couples with medical evidence to back up these allegations. This, backed up with all of the life long problems that adoptees suffer is sad enough to know why adoption is clearly not the option.

Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in Yankee Society. Do you honestly think I would be stupid enough to put up an e-mail address where people could identify me? I do pity, you, Dougy, or should I call you Doggy? You sniff around for the bone but you don't quite get it? Ahhhh! Who ever told you I was a lawyer? God? The man in the tree? The whisper in the wind? LMAO! You poor, little, impotent man who couldn't even conceive a baby! You do have my pity.
I conclude that because many of you children resorted to cute little name calling and even little Dougy tried some of his "expert" detective work, that I hit some raw nerves. Well, the truth hurts. For all of you who have bought children to fulfill your selfish parental wanabe fantasies, you will soon have the backlashes in your own real lives as a result of stealing other people's babies. Remember, you are only the caretaker of that child. When that child reaches the right age, he or she will go back to their rightful mother and want nothing to do with you, especially if you are abusing that child. In Australia, we consider adoption as baby stealing, and soon in your country it will be thought of that way, too. You will never have the same relationship as a true parent and child does, so don't ASSume, the way little Dougie didw when he thought he knew he had found me. LMAO!

Contrary to your rather odd idea of what/who a parent
is, I know of none who had to conduct a home study, pay money to an adoption agency, or didn't know what pregnancy or child birth felt like. And do you know what? They are the best families that I have ever met! The most dysfunctional families I have ever met were adoptive ones. I think it has to do with infertility issues. Oh,no, do I sense a feeling of failure here? Well, it's just not normal to raise someone else's children. In fact, it's sick! I know most of the population feels this way. 64% of inmates in your prison system are adopted. Doesn't that tell you something? Adoption messes people up!

Here is an interesting link:

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/9950/adoption_serialkillers.html

With regard to your rather childish comments that many of you made, I take great pleasure in watching adults make fools of themselves. It shows how easily upset you get and what a bad parent you must be. My "real" kids are all straight "A" students, and my eldest attends one of the leading medical schools in Europe. We are proud parents. But unlike lazy Americans, we put our children first, and these are "our" children. Not someone else's hand me downs.

Your culture is going down the drain. Your kids don't even know what exists outside their own town. They are very selfish, just like their parents, and America is no place to live anymore. Your government sold you out to drugs and toxic mold. If you don't know what I am talking about than I know I am correct. The sad thing is I am right. You used to live in a good place, but no longer. In your country, you work 80% more than we do and pay 50% more in taxes, and your government has lied to you big time. You will see, very soon. I do pity you, and I mean that in all sincerity. Good luck, my friend. I really do wish you luck but this adoption issue is going to be an ugly topic in about 5 years. But the fact of the matter is that I am bored and have much better things to do. This thread is closed.

"helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote
Oh yeah. Just what we were all waiting for, the first troll of 2004. Helen

There's this strange website, talkaboutparenting.com, which purports
to register people to discuss a variety of topics. All that it
actually does is give people access to regular newsgroups.

The result is strange posts parachuting into the midst of a regular
discussion. There was an invasion by some misguided folks on another
ng that I frequent.

I think this person has dropped in from there.

Rupa

in article P_MRb.519$rb.52044@news.indigo.ie, helicon at helicon@eircom.net
wrote on 28/1/04 11:33 am:
"Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message news:e5619372.0401280222.53f1d9d6@posting.google.c om... "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote Oh yeah. Just what we were all waiting for, the first troll of 2004. Helen There's this strange website, talkaboutparenting.com, which purports to register people to discuss a variety of topics. All that it actually does is give people access to regular newsgroups. The result is strange posts parachuting into the midst of a regular discussion. There was an invasion by some misguided folks on another ng that I frequent. I think this person has dropped in from there. I think a few rocks were disturbed on Mars, and she broke loose. Helen


I'm opening a book on how how long it'll be before Jackie tries to befriend
her, any takers?

Robin

"RealMotherReturns" <adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.com> wrote in message
news:3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.ta lkaboutparenting.com... Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends:
<

<snip rant>
Remember, you are only the caretaker of that child.

As you are of yours.

<snip offensive diatribe>
Oh,no, do I sense a feeling of failure here? Well, it's just not normal
to raise someone else's children. In fact, it's sick!

No. You are.

With regard to your rather childish comments that many of you made, I take
great pleasure in watching adults make fools of themselves.

Look in the mirror often?
It shows how easily upset you get and what a bad parent you must be. My
"real" kids are all straight "A" students, and my eldest attends one of the
leading medical schools in Europe.

Which one? Go on, impress us.
We are proud parents.

But are they proud of YOU?
But unlike lazy Americans, we put our children first, and these are "our"
children. Not someone else's hand me downs.

Your bigotry is showing.

<snip crap>

But the fact of the matter is that I am bored and have much better things
to do. This thread is closed.

Yes, boss. Silly ***.

Helen

"Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
news:e5619372.0401280222.53f1d9d6@posting.google.c om... "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote Oh yeah. Just what we were all waiting for, the first troll of 2004. Helen There's this strange website, talkaboutparenting.com, which purports to register people to discuss a variety of topics. All that it actually does is give people access to regular newsgroups. The result is strange posts parachuting into the midst of a regular discussion. There was an invasion by some misguided folks on another ng that I frequent. I think this person has dropped in from there.

I think a few rocks were disturbed on Mars, and she broke loose.

Helen Rupa

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: Robin Harritt karakoram@postadoption.infoDate: 1/28/2004 7:59 AM Newfoundland Standard TimeMessage-id: <BC3D4DB7.30F86%karakoram@postadoption.info>in article P_MRb.519$rb.52044@news.indigo.ie, helicon at helicon@eircom.netwrote on 28/1/04 11:33 am: "Rupa Bose" <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message news:e5619372.0401280222.53f1d9d6@posting.google.c om... "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote>> Oh yeah. Just what we were all waiting for, the first troll of 2004.>> Helen> There's this strange website, talkaboutparenting.com, which purports to register people to discuss a variety of topics. All that it actually does is give people access to regular newsgroups. The result is strange posts parachuting into the midst of a regular discussion. There was an invasion by some misguided folks on another ng that I frequent. I think this person has dropped in from there. I think a few rocks were disturbed on Mars, and she broke loose. HelenI'm opening a book on how how long it'll be before Jackie tries to befriendher, any takers?Robin

She sounds like Di to me................

In article <3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>,
RealMotherReturns says...Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends:

Honey, I think it's time to up your meds.

(snippage of ranting)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"RealMotherReturns" <adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.com> wrote in message
news:3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.ta lkaboutparenting.com... Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends: I am not sure where you got your information concerning the adoption industry, however, contrary to your misnomer moniker, you are greatly in error. Although it is certainly true that some
adoptive parents may spend their time merely doting on their adoptive
children as the role of second parents in some specific role, it is equally
true that there is a huge insurgence in your country of adult adoptees who are
coming out and speaking out about the abuse tey suffered at the hands of
extremely dysfunctional and frustrated, infertile couples with medical
evidence to back up these allegations. This, backed up with all of the life
long problems that adoptees suffer is sad enough to know why adoption is
clearly not the option. Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in Yankee
Society. Do you honestly think I would be stupid enough to put up an e-mail
address where people could identify me? I do pity, you, Dougy, or should I
call you Doggy? You sniff around for the bone but you don't quite get it?
Ahhhh! Who ever told you I was a lawyer? God? The man in the tree? The
whisper in the wind? LMAO! You poor, little, impotent man who couldn't
even conceive a baby! You do have my pity. I conclude that because many of you children resorted to cute little name
calling and even little Dougy tried some of his "expert" detective work,
that I hit some raw nerves. Well, the truth hurts. For all of you who have
bought children to fulfill your selfish parental wanabe fantasies, you will
soon have the backlashes in your own real lives as a result of stealing
other people's babies. Remember, you are only the caretaker of that child.
When that child reaches the right age, he or she will go back to their
rightful mother and want nothing to do with you, especially if you are
abusing that child. In Australia, we consider adoption as baby stealing,
and soon in your country it will be thought of that way, too. You will
never have the same relationship as a true parent and child does, so don't
ASSume, the way little Dougie didw when he thought he knew he had found me.
LMAO! Contrary to your rather odd idea of what/who a parent is, I know of none who had to conduct a home study, pay money to an
adoption agency, or didn't know what pregnancy or child birth felt like. And
do you know what? They are the best families that I have ever met! The
most dysfunctional families I have ever met were adoptive ones. I think it
has to do with infertility issues. Oh,no, do I sense a feeling of failure
here? Well, it's just not normal to raise someone else's children. In
fact, it's sick! I know most of the population feels this way. 64% of
inmates in your prison system are adopted. Doesn't that tell you something?
Adoption messes people up! Here is an interesting link: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/9950/adoption_serialkillers.html With regard to your rather childish comments that many of you made, I take
great pleasure in watching adults make fools of themselves. It shows how
easily upset you get and what a bad parent you must be. My "real" kids are
all straight "A" students, and my eldest attends one of the leading medical
schools in Europe. We are proud parents. But unlike lazy Americans, we put
our children first, and these are "our" children. Not someone else's hand
me downs. Your culture is going down the drain. Your kids don't even know what
exists outside their own town. They are very selfish, just like their
parents, and America is no place to live anymore. Your government sold you
out to drugs and toxic mold. If you don't know what I am talking about than
I know I am correct. The sad thing is I am right. You used to live in a
good place, but no longer. In your country, you work 80% more than we do
and pay 50% more in taxes, and your government has lied to you big time.
You will see, very soon. I do pity you, and I mean that in all sincerity.
Good luck, my friend. I really do wish you luck but this adoption issue is
going to be an ugly topic in about 5 years. But the fact of the matter is
that I am bored and have much better things to do. This thread is closed.

Breeder bint. Betrayer of women.

Marley

in article
3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com,
RealMotherReturns at adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.com wrote on 28/1/04 5:12 am:
Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends: I am not sure where you got your information concerning the adoption industry, however, contrary to your misnomer moniker, you are greatly in error. Although it is certainly true that some adoptive parents may spend their time merely doting on their adoptive children as the role of second parents in some specific role, it is equally true that there is a huge insurgence in your country of adult adoptees who are coming out and speaking out about the abuse tey suffered at the hands of extremely dysfunctional and frustrated, infertile couples with medical evidence to back up these allegations. This, backed up with all of the life long problems that adoptees suffer is sad enough to know why adoption is clearly not the option. Doug, you amuse me.

Not half as much as you amuse yourself I bet.

You sound like the typical American failure in Yankee Society. Do you honestly think I would be stupid enough to put up an e-mail address where people could identify me?



Oh...I don't think finding an e-mail address for you would be too much of a
problem.

I do pity, you, Dougy, or should I call you Doggy? You sniff around for the bone but you don't quite get it? Ahhhh! Who ever told you I was a lawyer? God? The man in the tree? The whisper in the wind? LMAO! You poor, little, impotent man who couldn't even conceive a baby! You do have my pity. I conclude that because many of you children resorted to cute little name calling and even little Dougy tried some of his "expert" detective work, that I hit some raw nerves. Well, the truth hurts. For all of you who have bought children to fulfill your selfish parental wanabe fantasies, you will soon have the backlashes in your own real lives as a result of stealing other people's babies. Remember, you are only the caretaker of that child. When that child reaches the right age, he or she will go back to their rightful mother and want nothing to do with you, especially if you are abusing that child. In Australia,


Really Oregon has moved to Australia has it? Or you've moved to Aus, bet
that's a relief to the locals.

we consider adoption as baby stealing, and soon in your country it will be thought of that way, too. You will never have the same relationship as a true parent and child does, so don't ASSume, the way little Dougie didw when he thought he knew he had found me. LMAO! Contrary to your rather odd idea of what/who a parent is, I know of none who had to conduct a home study, pay money to an adoption agency, or didn't know what pregnancy or child birth felt like. And do you know what? They are the best families that I have ever met! The most dysfunctional families I have ever met were adoptive ones. I think it has to do with infertility issues. Oh,no, do I sense a feeling of failure here? Well, it's just not normal to raise someone else's children. In fact, it's sick! I know most of the population feels this way. 64% of inmates in your prison system are adopted. Doesn't that tell you something? Adoption messes people up! Here is an interesting link: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/9950/adoption_serialkillers.html With regard to your rather childish comments that many of you made, I take great pleasure in watching adults make fools of themselves. It shows how easily upset you get and what a bad parent you must be. My "real" kids are all straight "A" students, and my eldest attends one of the leading medical schools in Europe. We are proud parents. But unlike lazy Americans, we put our children first, and these are "our" children. Not someone else's hand me downs. Your culture is going down the drain. Your kids don't even know what exists outside their own town. They are very selfish, just like their parents, and America is no place to live anymore. Your government sold you out to drugs and toxic mold.

Ahh...'toxic mold', so you are the nutter I thought you might be. Hello
Susan.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=t8k1ujcrho2v56%40corp.supernews.com

See also

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=%22Adoption%22%20%3Cbob@roberts e
sq.com

How are things in Salem?

If you don't know what I am talking about than I know I am correct. The sad thing is I am right. You used to live in a good place, but no longer. In your country, you work 80% more than we do and pay 50% more in taxes, and your government has lied to you big time. You will see, very soon. I do pity you, and I mean that in all sincerity. Good luck, my friend. I really do wish you luck but this adoption issue is going to be an ugly topic in about 5 years. But the fact of the matter is that I am bored and have much better things to do. This thread is closed.

Better things to do? Umm...I doubt it.


Robin

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.comDate: 1/28/2004 12:12 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id:<3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends:

Excellent. Look what blew in from Origins. A new toy.

Dad

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.comDate: 1/27/04 10:12 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id:<3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>
Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in YankeeSociety.

My goodness, Doug, seems like you've got yourself a stalker!


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 1/28/2004 9:30 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <20040128093011.28349.00000955@mb-m15.aol.com>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.comDate: 1/27/04 10:12 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id:<3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in YankeeSociety.My goodness, Doug, seems like you've got yourself a stalker!

I thought Doug was Canadian?

Dad

>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad)Date: 1/28/04 7:53 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <20040128095333.12686.00000883@mb-m29.aol.com>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn)Date: 1/28/2004 9:30 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <20040128093011.28349.00000955@mb-m15.aol.com>Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.comDate: 1/27/04 10:12 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id:<3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in YankeeSociety.My goodness, Doug, seems like you've got yourself a stalker! I thought Doug was Canadian?Dad

For some reason, so did I. LOL


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

in article 20040128100126.28349.00000960@mb-m15.aol.com, LilMtnCbn at
lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam wrote on 28/1/04 3:01 pm:
Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish From: adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) Date: 1/28/04 7:53 AM Mountain Standard Time Message-id: <20040128095333.12686.00000883@mb-m29.aol.com> Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish From: lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) Date: 1/28/2004 9:30 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <20040128093011.28349.00000955@mb-m15.aol.com>> Subject: Re: Adoption as selfish> From: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.com> Date: 1/27/04 10:12 PM Mountain Standard Time> Message-id:> <3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>> Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in Yankee> Society. My goodness, Doug, seems like you've got yourself a stalker! I thought Doug was Canadian? Dad For some reason, so did I. LOL

Welsh Canadian if remember right.

Robin

**top post***

Feel better?

There, there. Settle down. Take a deep breath and go back to your rubber room
now. Your meds are waiting.

RealMotherOfAllLoons spews:
Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends:I am not sure where you got your information concerningthe adoption industry, however, contrary to your misnomermoniker, you are greatly in error. Although it is certainly true that someadoptive parents may spend their time merely doting on their adoptivechildren as the role of second parents in some specific role, it is equallytruethat there is a huge insurgence in your country of adult adoptees who arecoming out and speaking out about the abuse tey suffered at the hands ofextremely dysfunctional and frustrated, infertile couples with medicalevidence to back up these allegations. This, backed up with all of the lifelong problems that adoptees suffer is sad enough to know why adoption isclearly not the option.Doug, you amuse me. You sound like the typical American failure in YankeeSociety. Do you honestly think I would be stupid enough to put up an e-mailaddress where people could identify me? I do pity, you, Dougy, or should Icall you Doggy? You sniff around for the bone but you don't quite get it?Ahhhh! Who ever told you I was a lawyer? God? The man in the tree? Thewhisper in the wind? LMAO! You poor, little, impotent man who couldn't evenconceive a baby! You do have my pity.I conclude that because many of you children resorted to cute little namecalling and even little Dougy tried some of his "expert" detective work, thatI hit some raw nerves. Well, the truth hurts. For all of you who havebought children to fulfill your selfish parental wanabe fantasies, you willsoon have the backlashes in your own real lives as a result of stealing otherpeople's babies. Remember, you are only the caretaker of that child. Whenthat child reaches the right age, he or she will go back to their rightfulmother and want nothing to do with you, especially if you are abusing thatchild. In Australia, we consider adoption as baby stealing, and soon in yourcountry it will be thought of that way, too. You will never have the samerelationship as a true parent and child does, so don't ASSume, the way littleDougie didw when he thought he knew he had found me. LMAO!Contrary to your rather odd idea of what/who a parentis, I know of none who had to conduct a home study, pay money to an adoptionagency, or didn't know what pregnancy or child birth felt like. And do youknow what? They are the best families that I have ever met! The mostdysfunctional families I have ever met were adoptive ones. I think it has todo with infertility issues. Oh,no, do I sense a feeling of failure here?Well, it's just not normal to raise someone else's children. In fact, it'ssick! I know most of the population feels this way. 64% of inmates in yourprison system are adopted. Doesn't that tell you something? Adoption messespeople up!Here is an interesting link:http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/9950/adoption_serialkillers.htmlWith regard to your rather childish comments that many of you made, I takegreat pleasure in watching adults make fools of themselves. It shows howeasily upset you get and what a bad parent you must be. My "real" kids areall straight "A" students, and my eldest attends one of the leading medicalschools in Europe. We are proud parents. But unlike lazy Americans, we putour children first, and these are "our" children. Not someone else's hand medowns.Your culture is going down the drain. Your kids don't even know what existsoutside their own town. They are very selfish, just like their parents, andAmerica is no place to live anymore. Your government sold you out to drugsand toxic mold. If you don't know what I am talking about than I know I amcorrect. The sad thing is I am right. You used to live in a good place, butno longer. In your country, you work 80% more than we do and pay 50% more intaxes, and your government has lied to you big time. You will see, verysoon. I do pity you, and I mean that in all sincerity. Good luck, myfriend. I really do wish you luck but this adoption issue is going to be anugly topic in about 5 years. But the fact of the matter is that I am boredand have much better things to do. This thread is closed.




P2P

>>Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends: Excellent. Look what blew in from Origins. A new toy.Dad

This toy is no fun. It has too many loose screws.


P2P

>She sounds like Di to me................

I hear the echo of Lori Carangelo.


P2P

"Palms2pines" <palms2pines@aol.comh8spam> wrote in message
news:20040128175415.21833.00000551@mb-m25.aol.com...Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends: Excellent. Look what blew in from Origins. A new toy.Dad This toy is no fun. It has too many loose screws.

And it's over-wound. The spring is sprung.

Helen
P2P

In article <20040128084215.21920.00001000@mb-m14.aol.com>,
AdoptaDad <adoptadad@aol.com> wrote:Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.comDate: 1/28/2004 12:12 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id:<3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends: Excellent. Look what blew in from Origins. A new toy.Dad



And an angry one at that. It's been a while since we've had a real
frother at the mouth here. This should be fun.

Linda

PS I think this is probably Ghostdancer--she of the ridiculous adoptee as
serial killer website. Ghostdancer has done this kind of thing before,
using similar sentiments--ya know, I'm the only real mommy schitck.
If it isn't Ghostdancer, it's someone equally as crazy.

In article <BC3D4DB7.30F86%karakoram@postadoption.info>,
Robin Harritt <karakoram@postadoption.info> wrote:
I'm opening a book on how how long it'll be before Jackie tries to befriendher, any takers?Robin

I'll put $5.00 on 3 days.

Linda

..
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..

In article <bvc1pn$rl4@marlowe.umd.edu>, Linda Fortney says...
snip
And an angry one at that. It's been a while since we've had a realfrother at the mouth here. This should be fun.LindaPS I think this is probably Ghostdancer--she of the ridiculous adoptee asserial killer website.

But, but, but...I'm a pacifist! Do I HAVE to turn evil?

Ghostdancer has done this kind of thing before,using similar sentiments--ya know, I'm the only real mommy schitck.If it isn't Ghostdancer, it's someone equally as crazy.

Oh dear - You ain't kidding.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <XbgSb.1279$_4.55@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
But, but, but...I'm a pacifist! Do I HAVE to turn evil?

Haven't you been paying attention, Robyn? Just ask Di,
adoption=pathology. Or take a gander at Ghostdancer's webpage,
adoption=serial killer.

I'm sorry, there is simply no hope for you.

Don't kill me or mine, please.

Linda

In article <bvdr2i$8m4@marlowe.umd.edu>, Linda Fortney says...In article <XbgSb.1279$_4.55@www.newsranger.com>,Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:But, but, but...I'm a pacifist! Do I HAVE to turn evil?Haven't you been paying attention, Robyn? Just ask Di,adoption=pathology. Or take a gander at Ghostdancer's webpage,adoption=serial killer.

Oh well, I did always march to the beat of my own drum ;)I'm sorry, there is simply no hope for you.

Ding dang it! ;)
Don't kill me or mine, please.

I'll do my best ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

lfortney@dc.umd.edu (Linda Fortney) wrote in message news:<bvc1pn$rl4@marlowe.umd.edu>... In article <20040128084215.21920.00001000@mb-m14.aol.com>, AdoptaDad <adoptadad@aol.com> wrote:Subject: Re: Adoption as selfishFrom: "RealMotherReturns" adoptiondestroysyou@ausi.comDate: 1/28/2004 12:12 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id:<3901a0e7a2c2e2eb4904a32eecd4ac12@localhost.talkabo utparenting.com>Hello Uneducated, or should I say, Naive Friends: Excellent. Look what blew in from Origins. A new toy.Dad And an angry one at that. It's been a while since we've had a real frother at the mouth here. This should be fun. Linda PS I think this is probably Ghostdancer--she of the ridiculous adoptee as serial killer website. Ghostdancer has done this kind of thing before, using similar sentiments--ya know, I'm the only real mommy schitck. If it isn't Ghostdancer, it's someone equally as crazy.

The excerpt is from her website, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is her.