Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time
(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about next
week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>

Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to be
more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>

Anyone else been through something like this?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:22:12 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:
Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about nextweek..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to bemore than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Anyone else been through something like this?


I don't call because of stuff like this..

I feel like I am begging.. and I hate to beg..

Reunion sucks at times..

Jackie

In article <moq8svc73ifhqb2tv0fb3p9p1mb6e3kil6@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:22:12 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>wrote:Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about nextweek..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to bemore than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Anyone else been through something like this?I don't call because of stuff like this..

Well, she did tell me to call her anytime. However, I do know that I'm still a
bit of a secret, so there must have been people there, probably early arrivals
for Thanksgiving or something. No big deal really, but I did feel a bit stupid
at the time.
I feel like I am begging.. and I hate to beg..Reunion sucks at times..

Gee, ya think? :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:E%Uwb.31975$cJ5.5006@www.newsranger.com... Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time (maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about
next week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>

Don't read anything more into it than that she was simply unable to engage
in a conversation with you *at that time*. No matter who was there - or
not - she wasn't giving you the cold shoulder, it was just too awkward for
her to talk. She was probably telling you that she would be having visitors
over the holidays, and to leave it until afterwards. :-)
Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to
be more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>

But why should you feel like that? You are NOT an idiot. Unless you are
telepathic, how could you *possibly* know whether it was a good time or a
bad time to call? Did you never get a call from someone at an inopportune
moment? I bet the next time you ring her (or she rings you) she will preface
the conversation with "sorry I couldn't take your call the last time,
but/because..." or some such.
Anyone else been through something like this?

Of course. Any call we make could be a 'bad time' for the other person -
just don't take it *personally*. Unless, of course, it IS! :-)

Helen
Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

In article <mO0xb.2067$nm6.16389@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:E%Uwb.31975$cJ5.5006@www.newsranger.co m... Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time (maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'aboutnext week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Don't read anything more into it than that she was simply unable to engagein a conversation with you *at that time*. No matter who was there - ornot - she wasn't giving you the cold shoulder, it was just too awkward forher to talk. She was probably telling you that she would be having visitorsover the holidays, and to leave it until afterwards. :-)

That's what I'm guessing - The whole clan was probably just sitting down to
dinner.
Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound tobe more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>But why should you feel like that? You are NOT an idiot.

LOL - Have you been talking with my husband behind my back, because that's
EXACTLY what he said :)

Unless you aretelepathic, how could you *possibly* know whether it was a good time or abad time to call? Did you never get a call from someone at an inopportunemoment? I bet the next time you ring her (or she rings you) she will prefacethe conversation with "sorry I couldn't take your call the last time,but/because..." or some such.

Believe me, I know exactly what you're saying. I guess it's just because I'm
not feeling entirely comfortable with calling her - in fact, I didn't even want
to. I've just been a little stressed about the situation - and to add to my
stress level, I just found out that my company is moving its east coast
divisions to the west coast which means I'll be out of a job as of July 1st.
Just call me "Ms. Sensitive" ;)
Anyone else been through something like this?Of course. Any call we make could be a 'bad time' for the other person -just don't take it *personally*. Unless, of course, it IS! :-)

Eeeek! :)

Thanks, Helen - Good advice as always :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<e%%wb.31990$cJ5.4982@www.newsranger.com>... In article <moq8svc73ifhqb2tv0fb3p9p1mb6e3kil6@4ax.com>, Jackie says...On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:22:12 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>wrote:Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about nextweek..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to bemore than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Anyone else been through something like this?I don't call because of stuff like this.. Well, she did tell me to call her anytime. However, I do know that I'm still a bit of a secret, so there must have been people there, probably early arrivals for Thanksgiving or something. No big deal really, but I did feel a bit stupid at the time.I feel like I am begging.. and I hate to beg..Reunion sucks at times.. Gee, ya think? :)



Tough break, but hang in.
I'd take her at her word - next week.
Even though you probably (possibly? inevitably?) feel somewhat
rebuffed, I'm sure it's nothing like as simple as that. There could be
all kinds of stuff going on - guests, family problems, whatever.
Anybody's guess, but certainly nothing that reflects on you. Maybe she
feels she doesn't want to give you anything less than her best,
especially in these early days.

Rh.


Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<moq8svc73ifhqb2tv0fb3p9p1mb6e3kil6@4ax.com>... On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:22:12 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about nextweek..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to bemore than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Anyone else been through something like this? I don't call because of stuff like this.. I feel like I am begging.. and I hate to beg..

Me too! I did call and probablly too much because I was excited, but I
always felt like I was begging and then I felt degraded at times.
Reunions are not easy creatures. Reunion sucks at times.. Jackie

In article <dafc70.0311260736.5aad7eeb@posting.google.com>, Rhiannon says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<e%%wb.31990$cJ5.4982@www.newsranger.com>...
snip Well, she did tell me to call her anytime. However, I do know that I'm still a bit of a secret, so there must have been people there, probably early arrivals for Thanksgiving or something. No big deal really, but I did feel a bit stupid at the time.
snipTough break, but hang in.I'd take her at her word - next week.Even though you probably (possibly? inevitably?) feel somewhatrebuffed, I'm sure it's nothing like as simple as that.

Oh, I'm pretty sure too - I just felt awkward, especially since I honestly
didn't feel like calling her in the first place.

There could beall kinds of stuff going on - guests, family problems, whatever.Anybody's guess, but certainly nothing that reflects on you. Maybe shefeels she doesn't want to give you anything less than her best,especially in these early days.

That's probably wishful thinking, but thanks :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<E%Uwb.31975$cJ5.5006@www.newsranger.com>... Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time (maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about next week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click> Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to be more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>

You know I'm into cloak and dagger stuff...with that in mind, perhaps
the next time you talk/write, you can set up some codes with her?

Or a whole persona? An alter ego? (So she can say, oh yes, that was R,
she's a fan of my books.)

I must admit your posts leave me very curious as to what is happening
at her end. (As no doubt they leave you!)To whom does she have to
explain herself?

I wouldn't worry about it ... just take it at face value and have a
great Thanksgiving.

Rupa

In article <e5619372.0311260832.3e856232@posting.google.com>, Rupa Bose says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<E%Uwb.31975$cJ5.5006@www.newsranger.com>... Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time (maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about next week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click> Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to be more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>You know I'm into cloak and dagger stuff...with that in mind, perhapsthe next time you talk/write, you can set up some codes with her?

Hey, that might not be a bad idea.
Or a whole persona? An alter ego? (So she can say, oh yes, that was R,she's a fan of my books.)

Oh dear ;)
I must admit your posts leave me very curious as to what is happeningat her end. (As no doubt they leave you!)To whom does she have toexplain herself?

Well, she did tell me that she's not telling her parents. Besides her daughter,
I have no idea who she's told (or won't be telling).I wouldn't worry about it ... just take it at face value and have agreat Thanksgiving.

Thanks, that's exactly what I plan on going. Hope you have a good one too :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <4b23522a.0311260758.3c3c01d0@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<moq8svc73ifhqb2tv0fb3p9p1mb6e3kil6@4ax.com>... On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:22:12 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about nextweek..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to bemore than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Anyone else been through something like this? I don't call because of stuff like this.. I feel like I am begging.. and I hate to beg..Me too! I did call and probablly too much because I was excited, but Ialways felt like I was begging and then I felt degraded at times.Reunions are not easy creatures.

You said a mouthful. I guess I still feel like my bmum's holding all the cards
(which, basically, she is) and that I still have to bow and scrape and "honor
her" above myself. It's doable, but annoying ;/

Like, why doesn't SHE call Me?

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<J74xb.32023$cJ5.4990@www.newsranger.com>... In article <dafc70.0311260736.5aad7eeb@posting.google.com>, Rhiannon says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<e%%wb.31990$cJ5.4982@www.newsranger.com>... snip Well, she did tell me to call her anytime. However, I do know that I'm still a bit of a secret, so there must have been people there, probably early arrivals for Thanksgiving or something. No big deal really, but I did feel a bit stupid at the time. snipTough break, but hang in.I'd take her at her word - next week.Even though you probably (possibly? inevitably?) feel somewhatrebuffed, I'm sure it's nothing like as simple as that. Oh, I'm pretty sure too - I just felt awkward, especially since I honestly didn't feel like calling her in the first place. There could beall kinds of stuff going on - guests, family problems, whatever.Anybody's guess, but certainly nothing that reflects on you. Maybe shefeels she doesn't want to give you anything less than her best,especially in these early days. That's probably wishful thinking, but thanks :)


I mean, nothing that could *personally* reflect on you.
Though I understand why anyone'd have difficulty not taking it personally.
Bummer.
IMO, your mom is just freaking. She'll recover (take it from one who knows)
I'm pretty sure Helen's assessment is spot on.

Your husband's too :-)
(No idiocy. Don't even *think* about it)





Rh.


Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/2657053/detail.html


More Files Seized From Oklahoma City Law Firm
Allegations Of Wrongdoing Involves Adoption Services

POSTED: 6:59 p.m. CST November 21, 2003
UPDATED: 7:13 p.m. CST November 21, 2003

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Authorities investigating allegations of child
trafficking searched the downtown offices of a law firm again Friday,
seizing additional records, Eyewitness News 5 reported.

Video


More Files Seized By Law Firm


Hundreds of additional files were taken from the Boren and Boren law
firm, operated by Robert and Rebecca Boren.

The law firm is under investigation for allegations of wrongdoing
involving adoption and surrogate services going as far back as 1999.

"This warrant was very similar to the first in that they were granted
search warrant privileges for very specific files regarding a list of
approximately 200 named individuals," said Sgt. Charlie Phillips, of
the Oklahoma City Police Department.

The search warrant three weeks ago focused on records for 58 people,
including birth mothers and fathers and adoptive families.

Phillips said investigators would comb through the files and then
decide what charges, if any, to pursue.

"To be honest, they haven't given any time frame on when they expect
any charges to be presented in this case," he said.

An attorney for the Borens said their side is confident a thorough
review of the records will show no wrongdoing.

Investigators believe the records will show evidence of violations of
the Oklahoma Corrupt Organization Prevention act, Phillips said.

He said those violations include trafficking in children, conspiracy
to commit a felony, first-degree forgery, extortion, obtaining money
by false pretense, embezzlement by an attorney and falsifying
corporate records.

The police department's white collar crimes unit, the Oklahoma County
District Attorney's Office, the state Attorney General's Office and
the Inspector General's Office of the U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services participated in the search.

In article <dafc70.0311261213.3848822d@posting.google.com>, Rhiannon says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<J74xb.32023$cJ5.4990@www.newsranger.com>... In article <dafc70.0311260736.5aad7eeb@posting.google.com>, Rhiannon says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<e%%wb.31990$cJ5.4982@www.newsranger.com>... snip>> Well, she did tell me to call her anytime. However, I do know that I'm still a> bit of a secret, so there must have been people there, probably early arrivals> for Thanksgiving or something. No big deal really, but I did feel a bit stupid> at the time.> snip>Tough break, but hang in.I'd take her at her word - next week.Even though you probably (possibly? inevitably?) feel somewhatrebuffed, I'm sure it's nothing like as simple as that. Oh, I'm pretty sure too - I just felt awkward, especially since I honestly didn't feel like calling her in the first place. There could beall kinds of stuff going on - guests, family problems, whatever.Anybody's guess, but certainly nothing that reflects on you. Maybe shefeels she doesn't want to give you anything less than her best,especially in these early days. That's probably wishful thinking, but thanks :)I mean, nothing that could *personally* reflect on you.Though I understand why anyone'd have difficulty not taking it personally.Bummer.

LOL, don't worry, I'm okay. I just felt a little funny last night about it.
IMO, your mom is just freaking. She'll recover (take it from one who knows)I'm pretty sure Helen's assessment is spot on.

I agree :)
Your husband's too :-)(No idiocy. Don't even *think* about it)


Oh, I know - I've just been stressin' lately :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<m65xb.32036$cJ5.4840@www.newsranger.com>... In article <e5619372.0311260832.3e856232@posting.google.com>, Rupa Bose says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<E%Uwb.31975$cJ5.5006@www.newsranger.com>... Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time (maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about next week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click> Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to be more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>You know I'm into cloak and dagger stuff...with that in mind, perhapsthe next time you talk/write, you can set up some codes with her? Hey, that might not be a bad idea.Or a whole persona? An alter ego? (So she can say, oh yes, that was R,she's a fan of my books.) Oh dear ;)I must admit your posts leave me very curious as to what is happeningat her end. (As no doubt they leave you!)To whom does she have toexplain herself? Well, she did tell me that she's not telling her parents. Besides her daughter, I have no idea who she's told (or won't be telling).I wouldn't worry about it ... just take it at face value and have agreat Thanksgiving. Thanks, that's exactly what I plan on going. Hope you have a good one too :) Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

That's one area where I was very lucky with my bmom. When the agency
approached her with contact from me, she told everyone in her family
that she was going to speak with me and hopefully visit me. There
were still a lot of awkward phone calls in between and a lot of the
why doesn't she call me feelings on my part.

mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley) wrote in message news:<eb5515c9.0311261410.b4a7af@posting.google.com>... http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/2657053/detail.html
Top posting.

Of course this will be only the tip of the iceberg. The fall of Babylon begins.
And not before time.

Di

More Files Seized From Oklahoma City Law Firm Allegations Of Wrongdoing Involves Adoption Services POSTED: 6:59 p.m. CST November 21, 2003 UPDATED: 7:13 p.m. CST November 21, 2003 OKLAHOMA CITY -- Authorities investigating allegations of child trafficking searched the downtown offices of a law firm again Friday, seizing additional records, Eyewitness News 5 reported. Video More Files Seized By Law Firm Hundreds of additional files were taken from the Boren and Boren law firm, operated by Robert and Rebecca Boren. The law firm is under investigation for allegations of wrongdoing involving adoption and surrogate services going as far back as 1999. "This warrant was very similar to the first in that they were granted search warrant privileges for very specific files regarding a list of approximately 200 named individuals," said Sgt. Charlie Phillips, of the Oklahoma City Police Department. The search warrant three weeks ago focused on records for 58 people, including birth mothers and fathers and adoptive families. Phillips said investigators would comb through the files and then decide what charges, if any, to pursue. "To be honest, they haven't given any time frame on when they expect any charges to be presented in this case," he said. An attorney for the Borens said their side is confident a thorough review of the records will show no wrongdoing. Investigators believe the records will show evidence of violations of the Oklahoma Corrupt Organization Prevention act, Phillips said. He said those violations include trafficking in children, conspiracy to commit a felony, first-degree forgery, extortion, obtaining money by false pretense, embezzlement by an attorney and falsifying corporate records. The police department's white collar crimes unit, the Oklahoma County District Attorney's Office, the state Attorney General's Office and the Inspector General's Office of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services participated in the search.

>Subject: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 11/25/2003
I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>


Hugs Robyn. And by the way, you are definitely not an idiot, not even a bit of
one. Kathy J

On 26 Nov 2003 07:58:45 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:
Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<moq8svc73ifhqb2tv0fb3p9p1mb6e3kil6@4ax.com>... On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 03:22:12 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a bad time(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'about nextweek..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click>Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's bound to bemore than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Anyone else been through something like this? I don't call because of stuff like this.. I feel like I am begging.. and I hate to beg..Me too! I did call and probablly too much because I was excited, but Ialways felt like I was begging and then I felt degraded at times.Reunions are not easy creatures.


The message on my bsons phone is him and the grandbaby saying
beautiful things.. Takes me out every time I hear it..




Jackie

>Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 11/27/03 8:06 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <gjtbsv4aspc29id57a0ugiircaen39mtsk@4ax.com>

< snip >
The message on my bsons phone is him and the grandbaby sayingbeautiful things.. Takes me out every time I hear it..

Little kids will do that to you every time. Do you have any other grandkids,
Jackie?

Dad

In article <20031127011309.08047.00000647@mb-m03.aol.com>, Tm n Kat says...Subject: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 11/25/2003I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh>Hugs Robyn. And by the way, you are definitely not an idiot, not even a bit ofone. Kathy J

<chuckle> Thanks :)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

On 27 Nov 2003 13:50:46 GMT, adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote:
Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 11/27/03 8:06 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <gjtbsv4aspc29id57a0ugiircaen39mtsk@4ax.com> < snip >The message on my bsons phone is him and the grandbaby sayingbeautiful things.. Takes me out every time I hear it.. Little kids will do that to you every time. Do you have any other grandkids,Jackie?

No.. My second and third born kids are not into that at the moment.


Jackie

>Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 11/28/03 8:06 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <r0iesv0lc17kfsgevi856m92g5t10evcgj@4ax.com>On 27 Nov 2003 13:50:46 GMT, adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote:Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 11/27/03 8:06 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <gjtbsv4aspc29id57a0ugiircaen39mtsk@4ax.com> < snip >The message on my bsons phone is him and the grandbaby sayingbeautiful things.. Takes me out every time I hear it.. Little kids will do that to you every time. Do you have any othergrandkids, Jackie?No.. My second and third born kids are not into that at the moment.


Well, get 'em on the stick. Buncha slackers.

Dad

ANd Glenna submitted her information to the UN as well. And after
several years of "no, we can't help you," suddenly the government can
help her afterall. It was a judge and his wife who kidnapped her
baby. I sure hope she gets him back now, and that the kidnappers,
including the adopters, go to prison for their crimes. This has a
whole bunch of adopters ****ting in their pants right now, wondering
if they are going to lose the children they kidnapped as well.

Melinda

Top posting. Of course this will be only the tip of the iceberg. The fall of Babylon begins. And not before time. Di More Files Seized From Oklahoma City Law Firm Allegations Of Wrongdoing Involves Adoption Services

mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley) wrote in message news:<eb5515c9.0311281728.3e9968b2@posting.google.com>... ANd Glenna submitted her information to the UN as well. And after several years of "no, we can't help you," suddenly the government can help her afterall. It was a judge and his wife who kidnapped her baby. I sure hope she gets him back now, and that the kidnappers, including the adopters, go to prison for their crimes. This has a whole bunch of adopters ****ting in their pants right now, wondering if they are going to lose the children they kidnapped as well. Melinda
Let's hope some justice is finally served. It might wake some of these
mongrels up and force them out of the business.

BTW, we've just uncovered a Catholic hospital in WA Oz where all the
consents were being taken on day three from the 60's through to the
eighties. Legally the consent could not be taken until day eight.
Makes them all automatically illegal. No further evidence required.
The legal firms that took those consents
were employed by the Western Australia Catholic adoption agency with
which the hospital was affiliated, are up sh*t creek without a paddle.
God only knows how many adoptions were arranged there.

Good things come to those who wait.

Di
Top posting. Of course this will be only the tip of the iceberg. The fall of Babylon begins. And not before time. Di More Files Seized From Oklahoma City Law Firm Allegations Of Wrongdoing Involves Adoption Services

in article c599139c.0311290339.2586a084@posting.google.com, Dian at
patrice68@bigpond.com.au wrote on 29/11/03 11:39 am:
mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley) wrote in message news:<eb5515c9.0311281728.3e9968b2@posting.google.com>... ANd Glenna submitted her information to the UN as well. And after several years of "no, we can't help you," suddenly the government can help her afterall. It was a judge and his wife who kidnapped her baby. I sure hope she gets him back now, and that the kidnappers, including the adopters, go to prison for their crimes. This has a whole bunch of adopters ****ting in their pants right now, wondering if they are going to lose the children they kidnapped as well. Melinda

Let's hope some justice is finally served. It might wake some of these mongrels up and force them out of the business. BTW, we've just uncovered a Catholic hospital in WA Oz where all the consents were being taken on day three from the 60's through to the eighties. Legally the consent could not be taken until day eight. Makes them all automatically illegal. No further evidence required. The legal firms that took those consents were employed by the Western Australia Catholic adoption agency with which the hospital was affiliated, are up sh*t creek without a paddle. God only knows how many adoptions were arranged there. Good things come to those who wait. Di

Of course you might also get the negative effect that we always get in the
UK when ever anything like that is uncovered, where everyone involved in
adoption / "child care" goes into arse covering mode at the behest of their
legal liability insurers.

Robin

On 28 Nov 2003 17:28:08 -0800, mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley)
wrote:
ANd Glenna submitted her information to the UN as well. And afterseveral years of "no, we can't help you," suddenly the government canhelp her afterall. It was a judge and his wife who kidnapped herbaby. I sure hope she gets him back now, and that the kidnappers,including the adopters, go to prison for their crimes. This has awhole bunch of adopters ****ting in their pants right now, wonderingif they are going to lose the children they kidnapped as well.Melinda


Please keep us informed..

Love what you are posting Melinda.. You go girl!


Jackie

Robin Harritt <nospam@harritt.net> wrote in message news:<BBEE3B16.29F1C%nospam@harritt.net>... in article c599139c.0311290339.2586a084@posting.google.com, Dian at patrice68@bigpond.com.au wrote on 29/11/03 11:39 am: mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley) wrote in message news:<eb5515c9.0311281728.3e9968b2@posting.google.com>... ANd Glenna submitted her information to the UN as well. And after several years of "no, we can't help you," suddenly the government can help her afterall. It was a judge and his wife who kidnapped her baby. I sure hope she gets him back now, and that the kidnappers, including the adopters, go to prison for their crimes. This has a whole bunch of adopters ****ting in their pants right now, wondering if they are going to lose the children they kidnapped as well. Melinda Let's hope some justice is finally served. It might wake some of these mongrels up and force them out of the business. BTW, we've just uncovered a Catholic hospital in WA Oz where all the consents were being taken on day three from the 60's through to the eighties. Legally the consent could not be taken until day eight. Makes them all automatically illegal. No further evidence required. The legal firms that took those consents were employed by the Western Australia Catholic adoption agency with which the hospital was affiliated, are up sh*t creek without a paddle. God only knows how many adoptions were arranged there. Good things come to those who wait. Di Of course you might also get the negative effect that we always get in the UK when ever anything like that is uncovered, where everyone involved in adoption / "child care" goes into arse covering mode at the behest of their legal liability insurers. Robin

Oh yes they'll be running for cover but in this particular 'find' they
have
nowhere to run. It's not anectodal. Not debatable. They have the
documents they signed as well as the day they left the hospital.
Evidential proof.

Di

In article <20031127085046.19037.00001013@mb-m18.aol.com>, adoptadad@aol.com
(AdoptaDad) writes:
Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 11/27/03 8:06 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <gjtbsv4aspc29id57a0ugiircaen39mtsk@4ax.com> < snip >The message on my bsons phone is him and the grandbaby sayingbeautiful things.. Takes me out every time I hear it.. Little kids will do that to you every time. Do you have any othergrandkids,Jackie?Dad

If she does, I certainly have never heard her speak of them. I also seldom
(though sometimes) hear her talk about her other children. It seems like her
other children are back-burnered due to her inability to deal with having
relinquished her son. Of course that is JMHO, and could be wrong. But I just
know what I have seen.

KL

Why don't y'all develop some kind of 'code' word when b'mother cannot talk
because of company, etc. Kinda hokey, but might solve the awkwardness when
calling at a bad time.
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote: >Decided to give the bmum a call tonight. Guess I caught her at a badtime >(maybe her parents were there?). When I said as much, she said "H'aboutnext >week..Oh, and have a great Thanksgiving" <click> > >Now granted, I know this is sort of a dicey situation and there's boundto be >more than a few awkward moments, but I felt like a bit of an idiot <sigh> > >Anyone else been through something like this?
Jackie

In article <20031130161631.28524.00001225@mb-m11.aol.com>, Dmc10709 says...Why don't y'all develop some kind of 'code' word when b'mother cannot talkbecause of company, etc. Kinda hokey, but might solve the awkwardness whencalling at a bad time.

No, that's not a bad idea at all. I'll bring it up if/when I call her this
week.

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

> Please keep us informed.. Love what you are posting Melinda.. You go girl! Jackie

It looks like Glenna has a real shot at getting the adoption annuled,
but doubtful she'll get custody because of her little boy's age. But
even garanteed visitation will be such a vast improvement over what
she's had so far, which is nothing. None of us are so foolish as to
think that these children will actually be returned to their parents,
but to get forced visitation rights, which the kidnappers can not
disregard without risking the total loss of custody to the parents,
would be such a success and so worth all the effort that we all have
put into this. There's a meeting coming up soon in Washington DC to
discuss action in other cases in another state. It's still
frustrating though, how this has all dragged on for so long and still
has a lot of dragging on left to do. The powers that be, knew years
ago what abuses occured in these cases and dragged their feet for as
long as they could, allowing the children to get older and older to
the point that they will never be completely returned to their
parents. But at this point, we all have to take what we can get and
visitation is better than nothing, though still a horrible injustice
to allow the kidnappings to continue on. THe adopters all knew and
even participated in the crimes that took place at the hands of the
lawyers. They should rot in jail, but that will never happen. At
least though if the lawyers go to prison, maybe we can finally stop
these crimes from happening in the future.

Melinda

On 30 Nov 2003 20:59:40 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:
If she does, I certainly have never heard her speak of them. I also seldom(though sometimes) hear her talk about her other children. It seems like herother children are back-burnered due to her inability to deal with havingrelinquished her son. Of course that is JMHO, and could be wrong. But I justknow what I have seen.

I have talked about my other children..
My daughter is in a band.. My son has just moved out..

I am sure others remember me talking about this..

I don't want to bore folks with non adoption talk..

Jackie

On 1 Dec 2003 08:18:51 -0800, mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley)
wrote:
Please keep us informed.. Love what you are posting Melinda.. You go girl! JackieIt looks like Glenna has a real shot at getting the adoption annuled,but doubtful she'll get custody because of her little boy's age.

This must be horrible for her.
Buteven garanteed visitation will be such a vast improvement over whatshe's had so far, which is nothing. None of us are so foolish as tothink that these children will actually be returned to their parents,but to get forced visitation rights, which the kidnappers can notdisregard without risking the total loss of custody to the parents,would be such a success and so worth all the effort that we all haveput into this.

What a mess.. Damn their greedy hearts..

There's a meeting coming up soon in Washington DC todiscuss action in other cases in another state.

You give me hope Melinda..

It's stillfrustrating though, how this has all dragged on for so long and stillhas a lot of dragging on left to do.

Tip of the iceberg.. IMO
The powers that be, knew yearsago what abuses occured in these cases and dragged their feet for aslong as they could, allowing the children to get older and older tothe point that they will never be completely returned to theirparents.

Yes..

But at this point, we all have to take what we can get andvisitation is better than nothing, though still a horrible injusticeto allow the kidnappings to continue on. THe adopters all knew andeven participated in the crimes that took place at the hands of thelawyers. They should rot in jail, but that will never happen. Atleast though if the lawyers go to prison, maybe we can finally stopthese crimes from happening in the future.

And maybe Law and Order may do a show on it..

Tell it like it is.. Do a drama on it like they do on other things
happening in the criminal world..


Jackie...

Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message I have talked about my other children.. My daughter is in a band.. My son has just moved out.. I am sure others remember me talking about this.. I don't want to bore folks with non adoption talk.. Jackie


I remember your talking about Naomi, of course, including how she got
her name. But not yr younger son.

I think it also depends on the kids. One of my kids wouldn't mind
being talked about here, the other would probably object.

Rupa

klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote in message news:<20031130155940.15923.00002247@mb-m12.aol.com>... In article <20031127085046.19037.00001013@mb-m18.aol.com>, adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) writes:Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 11/27/03 8:06 AM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <gjtbsv4aspc29id57a0ugiircaen39mtsk@4ax.com> < snip >The message on my bsons phone is him and the grandbaby sayingbeautiful things.. Takes me out every time I hear it.. Little kids will do that to you every time. Do you have any othergrandkids,Jackie?Dad If she does, I certainly have never heard her speak of them. I also seldom (though sometimes) hear her talk about her other children.



She talks about them quite often.
You must have just missed those posts

It seems like her other children are back-burnered due to her inability to deal with having relinquished her son. Of course that is JMHO, and I could be wrong.



I'm sure you are.




But I just know what I have seen.


Me too.
Jackie posted recently about her daughter's singing.
Check out 'protest songs'.



Rh KL

On 2 Dec 2003 15:11:51 -0800, rkbose@pacific.net.sg (Rupa Bose) wrote:
Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message I have talked about my other children.. My daughter is in a band.. My son has just moved out.. I am sure others remember me talking about this.. I don't want to bore folks with non adoption talk.. JackieI remember your talking about Naomi, of course, including how she gother name. But not yr younger son.

Son is internet savey.. He has nothing to do with email..

Totally incognito..

Daughter does not care (gave me permission) and her band is all over
the internet..(I exaggerate)

I told the bson about her band.. I gave him the web sites where she is
featured.. And what is really funny is that there was a picture of the
band in our mustang convertible on one of the web sites.. One of the
fellows in the band was driving the mustang.. Hubby had told her that
she was the only one allowed to drive it..
She was busted..

And at this moment it is not running.. something weird wrong with it.

I think it also depends on the kids. One of my kids wouldn't mindbeing talked about here, the other would probably object.

Yes..

Jackie

Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote
I told the bson about her band.. I gave him the web sites where she is featured.. And what is really funny is that there was a picture of the band in our mustang convertible on one of the web sites.. One of the fellows in the band was driving the mustang.. Hubby had told her that she was the only one allowed to drive it.. She was busted..

:-)

Rupa

In article <2t2ssv83df091vkm4n7vnn5jb3lpt2d6no@4ax.com>, Jackie
<jdajda@newsguy.com> writes:
I told the bson about her band.. I gave him the web sites where she isfeatured.. And what is really funny is that there was a picture of theband in our mustang convertible on one of the web sites.. One of thefellows in the band was driving the mustang.. Hubby had told her thatshe was the only one allowed to drive it..She was busted..And at this moment it is not running.. something weird wrong with it.

If my dad ever found out even 1/2 the things my brother and I did while in
possession of his 1965 Mustang, he'd fall right over with apoplexy.

Ours died a horrible death in an accident involving alcohol and my brother's
friend driving, not him....it was a sad, sad day.

KL

On 05 Dec 2003 04:17:14 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:
In article <2t2ssv83df091vkm4n7vnn5jb3lpt2d6no@4ax.com>, Jackie<jdajda@newsguy.com> writes:I told the bson about her band.. I gave him the web sites where she isfeatured.. And what is really funny is that there was a picture of theband in our mustang convertible on one of the web sites.. One of thefellows in the band was driving the mustang.. Hubby had told her thatshe was the only one allowed to drive it..She was busted..And at this moment it is not running.. something weird wrong with it.If my dad ever found out even 1/2 the things my brother and I did while inpossession of his 1965 Mustang, he'd fall right over with apoplexy.

Poor old cars.. Daughter took ours to the sandy beach the sand blew
into the engine..
Ours died a horrible death in an accident involving alcohol and my brother'sfriend driving, not him....it was a sad, sad day.

A terrible thing..

They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..


Jackie

In article <g961tvcrs66upto40s6o299k8u46m77mk1@4ax.com>, Jackie
<jdajda@newsguy.com> writes:
On 05 Dec 2003 04:17:14 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:In article <2t2ssv83df091vkm4n7vnn5jb3lpt2d6no@4ax.com>, Jackie<jdajda@newsguy.com> writes:I told the bson about her band.. I gave him the web sites where she isfeatured.. And what is really funny is that there was a picture of theband in our mustang convertible on one of the web sites.. One of thefellows in the band was driving the mustang.. Hubby had told her thatshe was the only one allowed to drive it..She was busted..And at this moment it is not running.. something weird wrong with it.If my dad ever found out even 1/2 the things my brother and I did while inpossession of his 1965 Mustang, he'd fall right over with apoplexy.Poor old cars.. Daughter took ours to the sandy beach the sand blewinto the engine..Ours died a horrible death in an accident involving alcohol and my brother'sfriend driving, not him....it was a sad, sad day.A terrible thing..They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..Jackie

They were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolled over
and over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for his part in
it) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot of their
bed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would have packed my
bags and never looked back. lol

KL

On 06 Dec 2003 07:07:43 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:

They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..JackieThey were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolled overand over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for his part init) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot of theirbed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would have packed mybags and never looked back. lolKL

I hate the telling and I hate being told..

I don't like driving cars either..

Jackie

Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<g5m3tv0hffjsissjvqvbn4hg0ptb55dm35@4ax.com>... On 06 Dec 2003 07:07:43 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..JackieThey were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolled overand over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for his part init) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot of theirbed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would have packed mybags and never looked back. lolKL I hate the telling and I hate being told.. I don't like driving cars either.. Jackie

I hate the thought of the day I will be told... :) I also really
HATED telling my parents. I had a Mazda RX7 for my first car (not a
really great choice for a lead footed sixteen year old).

In article <4b23522a.0312061959.627192e4@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<g5m3tv0hffjsissjvqvbn4hg0ptb55dm35@4ax.com>... On 06 Dec 2003 07:07:43 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:>They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..>>>JackieThey were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolled overand over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for his part init) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot of theirbed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would have packed mybags and never looked back. lolKL I hate the telling and I hate being told.. I don't like driving cars either.. JackieI hate the thought of the day I will be told... :) I also reallyHATED telling my parents. I had a Mazda RX7 for my first car (not areally great choice for a lead footed sixteen year old).

Whoa! Sounds dangerous ;)

My first car was my mom's 69 Ford Fairlane. It was avocado green with a black
vinyl roof and a red racing stripe. It looked horrendous, but I loved it dearly
;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

On 6 Dec 2003 19:59:53 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:
Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<g5m3tv0hffjsissjvqvbn4hg0ptb55dm35@4ax.com>... On 06 Dec 2003 07:07:43 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:>They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..>>>JackieThey were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolled overand over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for his part init) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot of theirbed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would have packed mybags and never looked back. lolKL I hate the telling and I hate being told.. I don't like driving cars either.. JackieI hate the thought of the day I will be told... :) I also reallyHATED telling my parents. I had a Mazda RX7 for my first car (not areally great choice for a lead footed sixteen year old).

I told the hubby he should not let the daughter drive his mustangs..

She did and both cars went down.. Old cars mess up..

I would push them both over a cliff if I could..

My son is driving my dads old volvo.. No lead foot there..

Jackie

Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<rvi6tvgdha082ml1ihb4d4lpkb45k5rtat@4ax.com>... On 6 Dec 2003 19:59:53 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<g5m3tv0hffjsissjvqvbn4hg0ptb55dm35@4ax.com>... On 06 Dec 2003 07:07:43 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote: >>They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident.. >> >> >>Jackie > >They were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolled over >and over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for his part in >it) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot of their >bed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would have packed my >bags and never looked back. lol > >KL I hate the telling and I hate being told.. I don't like driving cars either.. JackieI hate the thought of the day I will be told... :) I also reallyHATED telling my parents. I had a Mazda RX7 for my first car (not areally great choice for a lead footed sixteen year old). I told the hubby he should not let the daughter drive his mustangs.. She did and both cars went down.. Old cars mess up.. I would push them both over a cliff if I could.. My son is driving my dads old volvo.. No lead foot there.. Jackie

Man, I loved my first car. That RX-7 was way too much fun. Rotary
engine. Granted it was an automatic versus stick but still went
really, really, really fast (not that I ever found out how fast mind
you...:) Ironically, I got in an accident the first day I took it to
school (a day where I was supposed to drive it directly to school and
directly home and of course I took it to lunch to show off). I rear
ended an unmarked cop car...nice, eh? It took a long time to live that
one down with my friends. My parents didn't quite see the humor in it.
It was also amazing just how many people really could fit in a two
seater. My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless
to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her
first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.

In article <4b23522a.0312061959.627192e4@posting.google.com>,
aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) writes:
Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in messagenews:<g5m3tv0hffjsissjvqvbn4hg0ptb55dm35@4ax.com>... On 06 Dec 2003 07:07:43 GMT, klbjornme@aol.comjunkhell (KL) wrote:>They are built like tanks it must have been an awful accident..>>>JackieThey were rear-ended and it pushed them into a deep ravine where it rolledoverand over down into the ravine. My poor (I use the term loosely for hispart init) brother had to come home and wake my parents and stand at the foot oftheirbed to tell them what had happened. Personally, I think I would havepacked mybags and never looked back. lolKL I hate the telling and I hate being told.. I don't like driving cars either.. JackieI hate the thought of the day I will be told... :) I also reallyHATED telling my parents. I had a Mazda RX7 for my first car (not areally great choice for a lead footed sixteen year old).


But a fun one. I'm jealous.

J.

On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:
My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needlessto say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for herfirst car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.


I hated it when the kids learned to drive..

Just hated it..

Jackie

>Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needlessto say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for herfirst car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.I hated it when the kids learned to drive..Just hated it..Jackie

Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about
driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the
information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh


-------------------------
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needlessto say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for herfirst car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.I hated it when the kids learned to drive..Just hated it..Jackie Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh

Do your schools provide that? WOW

Helen
------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown

In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.I hated it when the kids learned to drive..Just hated it..Jackie Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW

They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s).

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.com... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com> > >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: > >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for
her >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol. > > >I hated it when the kids learned to drive.. > >Just hated it.. > >Jackie Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious
about driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us
the information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s).

Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff?

Helen
Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

In article <1BkBb.136$HR.474@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.co m... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>> >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck forher> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.> >> >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive..> >> >Just hated it..> >> >Jackie>> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was seriousabout> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get usthe> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s).Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff?

Yep - And you had to pass a written test given by the school in order to get
your driver's permit.

The funniest thing was the instructor (actually one of the gym teachers) trying
to explain "right of way" and getting all confused. He was SUCH a cutie ;)

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <1BkBb.136$HR.474@news.indigo.ie>, "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net>
writes:
"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.co m... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>> >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck forher> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.> >> >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive..> >> >Just hated it..> >> >Jackie>> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was seriousabout> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get usthe> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s).Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff?Helen

Rules of the road and, in my day, training behind the wheel of a virtual car
and then on-the-road experience.

I've told my son he can't get his license until age 18. Until recently he
thought that was the law. (Who was I to disabuse him of the notion?) Lately,
I've found some additional support for that in a study looking at the
incidence of motor vehicle accidents involving ADD or ADHD drivers. Not
surprisingly, I suppose.

J.

>Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: "helicon" helicon@eircom.netDate: 12/9/03 5:25 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.I hated it when the kids learned to drive..Just hated it..Jackie Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOWHelen

To the tune of 600 bucks. LOL But I figure you make it back in car insurance
savings in the first couple of years.

A friend of mine has a son who dropped out of highschool and never took
driver's ed. Basic car insurance for him costs 200+ a month.


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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
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>Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/9/03 7:20 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <ESkBb.34956$cJ5.5399@www.newsranger.com>
Yep - And you had to pass a written test given by the school in order to getyour driver's permit.The funniest thing was the instructor (actually one of the gym teachers)tryingto explain "right of way" and getting all confused. He was SUCH a cutie ;)

Hahahaha. My son's football coach teaches it here. That's not very
comforting, because I swear that man must have the worst case of adult ADD that
I've ever seen.




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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
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>Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: jmdjmh@aol.com (J.)Date: 12/9/03 7:25 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031209092530.15923.00002471@mb-m12.aol.com>
Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff?HelenRules of the road and, in my day, training behind the wheel of a virtual carand then on-the-road experience.I've told my son he can't get his license until age 18. Until recently hethought that was the law. (Who was I to disabuse him of the notion?) Lately,I've found some additional support for that in a study looking at theincidence of motor vehicle accidents involving ADD or ADHD drivers. Notsurprisingly, I suppose.J.

Eeek. Scares the crap out of me. Son isn't sure he is ready to drive yet for
that same reason.

If the study is online, could you send it to me please? TIA.


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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown

In article <20031209111918.26118.00000492@mb-m06.aol.com>, LilMtnCbn says...Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.comDate: 12/9/03 7:20 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <ESkBb.34956$cJ5.5399@www.newsranger.com>Yep - And you had to pass a written test given by the school in order to getyour driver's permit.The funniest thing was the instructor (actually one of the gym teachers)tryingto explain "right of way" and getting all confused. He was SUCH a cutie ;)Hahahaha. My son's football coach teaches it here. That's not verycomforting, because I swear that man must have the worst case of adult ADD thatI've ever seen.

Yikes! That is scary!

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

In article <20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com>,
lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) writes:
Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needlessto say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for herfirst car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.I hated it when the kids learned to drive..Just hated it..JackieGoing through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious aboutdriving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us theinformation. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh

He probably has it....it's just "in his room somewhere" ;-)

KL

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:25:50 -0000, "helicon" <helicon@eircom.net>
wrote:
"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.I hated it when the kids learned to drive..Just hated it..Jackie Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOWHelen

I did a "learn to drive" course in Year 11 (second last year of high
school) which was half theory and half prac (with dual control car).
It gave me my full license at age 16. When I later joined the police
force and had to do the police driving course it was practically
identical.

My kids in Year 10 have had to do a compulsory "Road Ready" course,
which gives them the theory without the practical experience. They
end up getting their Learner's Permit at the end, and can then get on
with practical experience having learned all the road rules.

All these courses were free.

Julia

In article <20031209112036.26118.00000493@mb-m06.aol.com>,
lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam (LilMtnCbn) writes:
Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...AwkwardFrom: jmdjmh@aol.com (J.)Date: 12/9/03 7:25 AM Mountain Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031209092530.15923.00002471@mb-m12.aol.com>Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff?HelenRules of the road and, in my day, training behind the wheel of a virtual carand then on-the-road experience.I've told my son he can't get his license until age 18. Until recently hethought that was the law. (Who was I to disabuse him of the notion?) Lately,I've found some additional support for that in a study looking at theincidence of motor vehicle accidents involving ADD or ADHD drivers. Notsurprisingly, I suppose.J.Eeek. Scares the crap out of me. Son isn't sure he is ready to drive yetforthat same reason.If the study is online, could you send it to me please? TIA.

Alas, I came across it in a dentist's waiting room last week.

But I did come find this older reference to the subject in an FBI publication,

Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder: Implications for the Criminal
Justice System, Sam Goldstein, Ph.D. at

http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/june973.htm


13 R.A. Barkley, D.C. Guevremont, A.D. Anastopoulos, G.J. DuPaul, and T.L.
Shelton, "Driving-related Risks and Outcomes of
Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder in Adolescents and Young Adults: A 3-
to 5-year Follow-up Survey," Pediatrics, 92, 212-218.

J.

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.com>... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com... >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com> > >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: > >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol. > > >I hated it when the kids learned to drive.. > >Just hated it.. > >Jackie Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s). Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557


They did when I was in high school, too which was in the late 80's

"helicon" <helicon@eircom.net> wrote in message news:<1BkBb.136$HR.474@news.indigo.ie>... "Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.com... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>> >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.> >> >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive..> >> >Just hated it..> >> >Jackie>> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s). Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff? Helen Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

things that you need to know to pass your exam and also practice
driving. My partner when I was taking the course hit a squirrel when
it was her turn to drive. :( Not a great start.

"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in message
news:4b23522a.0312091941.3ada9394@posting.google.c om... Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:<awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.com>... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in messagenews:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>> >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for
her> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.> >> >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive..> >> >Just hated it..> >> >Jackie>> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious
about> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get
us the> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhhDo your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s). Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 They did when I was in high school, too which was in the late 80's

We had it in the early '60s and I know the teacher had been there awhile, so
he probably dated from the 1950s.

Marley

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<ESkBb.34956$cJ5.5399@www.newsranger.com>... In article <1BkBb.136$HR.474@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.co m... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says... > > >"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >news:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com... >> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward >> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com >> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time >> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com> >> > >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: >> > >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless >> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her >> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol. >> > >> > >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive.. >> > >> >Just hated it.. >> > >> >Jackie >> >> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about >> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the >> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh > >Do your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s).Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff? Yep - And you had to pass a written test given by the school in order to get your driver's permit. The funniest thing was the instructor (actually one of the gym teachers) trying to explain "right of way" and getting all confused. He was SUCH a cutie ;) Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557
We had to watch these horrible train wreck films also. We had study
hall while the instructor was out driving with our classmates. My
Spanish teacher was the study hall teacher and she drove me nutso.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:44:39 GMT, "Marley Greiner"
<maddogmarley@worldnet.att.net> writes:
"Debbie" <aspensky@knology.net> wrote in messagenews:4b23522a.0312091941.3ada9394@posting.g oogle.com... Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:<awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.com>... In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says... > > >"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >news:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com... >> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward >> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com >> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time >> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com> >> > >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: >> > >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless >> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck forher >> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol. >> > >> > >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive.. >> > >> >Just hated it.. >> > >> >Jackie >> >> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was seriousabout >> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to getus the >> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh > >Do your schools provide that? WOW They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s). Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 They did when I was in high school, too which was in the late 80'sWe had it in the early '60s and I know the teacher had been there awhile, sohe probably dated from the 1950s.Marley

Ah...memory lane. Good old Mr. Walter Jessup, the DI ;-) I can
recall many early mornings -- long after my HS driver's ed career
had passed into history -- watching old man Jessup tearing past me
on the 101 at speeds ranging upwards to 95mph...he was a super DI,
otoh.

pb...

In article <4b23522a.0312091944.1559f693@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<ESkBb.34956$cJ5.5399@www.newsranger.com>... In article <1BkBb.136$HR.474@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says..."Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagenews:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.co m...> In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says...> >> >> >"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message> >news:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com...> >> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward> >> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com> >> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time> >> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com>> >> >> >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote:> >> >> >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless> >> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her> >> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol.> >> >> >> >> >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive..> >> >> >> >Just hated it..> >> >> >> >Jackie> >>> >> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about> >> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the> >> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh> >> >Do your schools provide that? WOW>> They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s).Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff? Yep - And you had to pass a written test given by the school in order to get your driver's permit. The funniest thing was the instructor (actually one of the gym teachers) trying to explain "right of way" and getting all confused. He was SUCH a cutie ;)
We had to watch these horrible train wreck films also.

I was actually just about to ask if anyone had seen one of those films.
Thankfully I was out sick the day they showed it in my class. I heard that a
boy fainted during the film.

We had studyhall while the instructor was out driving with our classmates. MySpanish teacher was the study hall teacher and she drove me nutso.

Ick - The study hall teacher I had was one that had had my brother in her
English class two years previous and she absolutely loathed him. She took her
dislike of my brother out on me - she was SUCH a ***** ;p

Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557

Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<tsFBb.35192$cJ5.5435@www.newsranger.com>... In article <4b23522a.0312091944.1559f693@posting.google.com>, Debbie says...Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<ESkBb.34956$cJ5.5399@www.newsranger.com>... In article <1BkBb.136$HR.474@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says... > > >"Robibnikoff" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message >news:awkBb.34953$cJ5.5265@www.newsranger.com... >> In article <75jBb.129$HR.446@news.indigo.ie>, helicon says... >> > >> > >> >"LilMtnCbn" <lilmtncbn@aol.comnospam> wrote in message >> >news:20031208214023.28615.00000491@mb-m01.aol.com... >> >> >Subject: Re: Eeeewwwww...Awkward >> >> >From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.com >> >> >Date: 12/8/03 7:02 PM Mountain Standard Time >> >> >Message-id: <a6batvka4brhrubgf5486rmab8brf95jj5@4ax.com> >> >> > >> >> >On 7 Dec 2003 19:04:57 -0800, aspensky@knology.net (Debbie) wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> My parents are probablly just glad I am still alive. Needless >> >> >>to say, dh says my daughter can have his ancient pick up truck for her >> >> >>first car to fend off potential dates and accidents, lol. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I hated it when the kids learned to drive.. >> >> > >> >> >Just hated it.. >> >> > >> >> >Jackie >> >> >> >> Going through that right now. Told big guy that if he was serious about >> >> driving, it is up to him to find out when Driver's Ed is and to get us the >> >> information. He has to take the initiative. arrrgghhh >> > >> >Do your schools provide that? WOW >> >> They did way back when I was in high school (mid-late 70s). > >Great idea. Is it theory, rules of the road stuff? Yep - And you had to pass a written test given by the school in order to get your driver's permit. The funniest thing was the instructor (actually one of the gym teachers) trying to explain "right of way" and getting all confused. He was SUCH a cutie ;)We had to watch these horrible train wreck films also. I was actually just about to ask if anyone had seen one of those films. Thankfully I was out sick the day they showed it in my class. I heard that a boy fainted during the film. We had studyhall while the instructor was out driving with our classmates. MySpanish teacher was the study hall teacher and she drove me nutso. Ick - The study hall teacher I had was one that had had my brother in her English class two years previous and she absolutely loathed him. She took her dislike of my brother out on me - she was SUCH a ***** ;p Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557


Well, I didn't have any siblings so no problem there. However, my
Spanish teacher assigned us Spanish names to use for the year and in
Dr. Ed (completely diff class) she would call everyone else's name and
refuse to recognize me except by the Spanish name. I was sort of shy
and pretty well mannered. This teacher is the ONLY teacher I have ever
butted heads with while in school. Something about her drove me just
bonkers. I had her for two years and I seriously think my best friend
and I were the reason she left. I've thought about that since
becoming a teacher myself, but I still feel she was over the top in
her nuttiness. Funny thing is, she left our high school and went to
teach elsewhere. My first year of college I sign up for Spanish and
guess who is the teacher. My best pal took the course too. I would
love to know what she was thinking when we walked through the door.
Lucky for her we were into coming to class as little as possible at
that point.

Kidnappers by law have no rights in such a case as this.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:12:49 -0500, Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com>
wrote:
On 1 Dec 2003 08:18:51 -0800, mhjtw@hotmail.com (Melinda Walmsley)wrote: Please keep us informed.. Love what you are posting Melinda.. You go girl! JackieIt looks like Glenna has a real shot at getting the adoption annuled,but doubtful she'll get custody because of her little boy's age.This must be horrible for her. Buteven garanteed visitation will be such a vast improvement over whatshe's had so far, which is nothing. None of us are so foolish as tothink that these children will actually be returned to their parents,but to get forced visitation rights, which the kidnappers can notdisregard without risking the total loss of custody to the parents,would be such a success and so worth all the effort that we all haveput into this.What a mess.. Damn their greedy hearts.. There's a meeting coming up soon in Washington DC todiscuss action in other cases in another state.You give me hope Melinda.. It's stillfrustrating though, how this has all dragged on for so long and stillhas a lot of dragging on left to do.Tip of the iceberg.. IMO The powers that be, knew yearsago what abuses occured in these cases and dragged their feet for aslong as they could, allowing the children to get older and older tothe point that they will never be completely returned to theirparents.Yes.. But at this point, we all have to take what we can get andvisitation is better than nothing, though still a horrible injusticeto allow the kidnappings to continue on. THe adopters all knew andeven participated in the crimes that took place at the hands of thelawyers. They should rot in jail, but that will never happen. Atleast though if the lawyers go to prison, maybe we can finally stopthese crimes from happening in the future.And maybe Law and Order may do a show on it..Tell it like it is.. Do a drama on it like they do on other thingshappening in the criminal world..Jackie...