My boyfriend pays 500 a month for child support. He is only 21 and I am19. We just had a baby and we are having financial problems. child support took all our tax money and now they are having a modification to get more money. My boyfriend called them and told them he has a family to support and they said my daughter and I dont matter. Is this true what can we do? My daughter also needs things we cant get her. There have been some weeks we dont have food in our fridge. :(

My boyfriend pays 500 a month for child support. He is only 21 and I am19. We just had a baby and we are having financial problems. child support took all our tax money and now they are having a modification to get more money. My boyfriend called them and told them he has a family to support and they said my daughter and I dont matter. Is this true what can we do? My daughter also needs things we cant get her. There have been some weeks we dont have food in our fridge. :(

Ok are you currently working? Did you know he had a support order open before you decided to have a child? You are aware altho he says "he has a family to support", his other family needs to be supported as well.

yes I new about it. I am in school and I had to get a part time job because of the situation we are in. I understand he has a daughter to support but not her. The last two times we seen his daughter she was dresed in clothes and shoes that didnt fit her, and the mom had nice expensive clothes. He is still getting paid the same salary and he just paid off in full amount the back child support and they still want more money. Can they get more monery. Can we ask for a modification to lower it. It is so hard to get our baby what she needs with only 30 dollars a month left over after paying the bills and child support.

yes I new about it. I am in school and I had to get a part time job because of the situation we are in. I understand he has a daughter to support but not her. The last two times we seen his daughter she was dresed in clothes and shoes that didnt fit her, and the mom had nice expensive clothes. He is still getting paid the same salary and he just paid off in full amount the back child support and they still want more money. Can they get more monery. Can we ask for a modification to lower it. It is so hard to get our baby what she needs with only 30 dollars a month left over after paying the bills and child support.

On these forums you will always find parents who feel they are paying the parent's lifestyle vs the child(ren)'s.

He can go to court and file for a modification. Is there a visitation order in effect. If there isn't he should file for visitation and the amount of time spent with him would possibly lower the support some.

These days depending on your judge/magistrate and how they see the situation it could go either way.

What state are you in?

We are planing on getting visitation rights because every time we try to see her the mother refuses and tries to hit me. For the childs birthday we went to take her present and to try to take her out. I was waiting in the car and she came out trying to fight me. But she never lets us see her. the baby is now a year old and she always tells him that he should have told her they werent gonna be together so she could have got an abortion. Could this work for us in the court? Would you recomend us to say this?

We are planing on getting visitation rights because every time we try to see her the mother refuses and tries to hit me. For the childs birthday we went to take her present and to try to take her out. I was waiting in the car and she came out trying to fight me. But she never lets us see her. the baby is now a year old and she always tells him that he should have told her they werent gonna be together so she could have got an abortion. Could this work for us in the court? Would you recomend us to say this?

No because it will all be hearsay. Once he files for visitation she will have no choice, but to let the father see his child or she'll be in contempt. At this time, she doesn't have to let him see the child.

And what happens when she starts working will the amount lower or increase? I heard that she doesnt have to work until the baby is 18 months? What do you know about this?

And what happens when she starts working will the amount lower or increase? I heard that she doesnt have to work until the baby is 18 months? What do you know about this?

She doesn't have to work until she actually wants to work. You can not make a parent work on either side really. If she were to go back to work, it could get a little uglier than what it is now because she could say she needs more money for childcare now that she has to work. Tred lightly. If you can seek counsel that would be great, but if you can't, try and get the filing for visitation as quickly as possible.

Counsel from whom? Are you a parent with child support situations or a lawyer? if you dont mine me asking?

You said they cant make a parent work from eighter side but yet the father still has to give the money. Is is just for us to have to ask for food as long as he pays the support money. If it werent for my 100 dollars a week we would only have money for rent,bills, and child support. Our needs dont count, My daughters needs dont count? Could colorado leave us on the streets so they can get there money? Shouldnt they take in cinsideration our expenses before calculating what he should pay? other fathers make more money and they pay less.

You said they cant make a parent work from eighter side but yet the father still has to give the money. Is is just for us to have to ask for food as long as he pays the support money. If it werent for my 100 dollars a week we would only have money for rent,bills, and child support. Our needs dont count, My daughters needs dont count? Could colorado leave us on the streets so they can get there money? Shouldnt they take in cinsideration our expenses before calculating what he should pay? other fathers make more money and they pay less.

It can happen. She being the custodial parent doesn't have to work. What is her situation? It's not like 500 a month can really carry someone for the month unless they are not living on their own or have expenses.She has the child. Your boyfriend on the other hand has to pay because he is the non custodial. He could easily quit his job and go into hiding. That's what i mean by not having to work. As far as being left out in the cold on the streets, unfortunately it has happend and will continue to happen if parents don't step up and do what they have to do as parents unfortunately. When you have government governing your household, it is never a pretty sight. :eek:

I am a parent receiving child support. I have a lawyer.

She lives with her mother and doesnt have a car or cell phone so but other than that I dont know. What is your situation if I can ask? You know every one always takes the father and the new girl friend as the bad persons thats how they are treating us but only if they new the true story. im not doing this because I dont like her. I love that little girl and I would love for her and my daughter to meet. I just dont want to see my daughter in need of things. I understand her situation as well because my sister is going through the same. Before we had our daughter we never had problems with the ammount that we gave her, but after our daughter came things changed. I only want the best for my daughter just as you do for your kids. Our kids shouldnt suffer for our mistakes but unfortunately they do. not only her daugter mines as well. You may say its my fault but you cant tell your heart who to love and who not to love.

She lives with her mother and doesnt have a car or cell phone so but other than that I dont know. What is your situation if I can ask? You know every one always takes the father and the new girl friend as the bad persons thats how they are treating us but only if they new the true story. im not doing this because I dont like her. I love that little girl and I would love for her and my daughter to meet. I just dont want to see my daughter in need of things. I understand her situation as well because my sister is going through the same. Before we had our daughter we never had problems with the ammount that we gave her, but after our daughter came things changed. I only want the best for my daughter just as you do for your kids. Our kids shouldnt suffer for our mistakes but unfortunately they do. not only her daugter mines as well. You may say its my fault but you cant tell your heart who to love and who not to love.

Your boyfriend can request if he hadn't already to have an income imputed for her even though she isn't working.

I do understand being a CP how it can get ugly between a new girlfriend and old one. Also from reading it sounds as though the children are barely a year apart am I correct? For a moment just think how you'd feel if your boyfriend now did that to you. Your baby is barely a year old and here he comes with another one on the way? I am actually dealing with that right now. My ex has a child now that is a year apart from our own. It can get very messy and sticky.

How does that work about the incom from her?

If that was to happen to me i would so mad at him not at his new gir or baby. Like I said I understand her. I appologised to her but it isnt realy my fault or my daughters. They werent together when she got pregnat. When he found out she was pregnat he got with her to try to work things out. They always fought and he didnt love her so he ended their relationship and told her he would be there for the baby but she wanted him. And now she doesnt let him and his daugther be together if he is notwith her. We have been wanting to get a court for visitation rights or some custody BUT WE DONT KNOW IF THAT COSTS, if it does we cant afort it now. IF SHE LIVES WITH HER MOTHER DOESNT WORK OR GO TO SCHOOL OR HAVE ANY EXPENSES DOES THAT MAKE A DIFERENCE?

Do you mind if I give my own worthless opinion here?

A thought: As the girlfriend, you should let only the father deal with the mother of the little girl right now. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I was the mother in this situation, and whether you mean to or not, you may seem threatning to the mother. She probably thinks that her daughter has a mother and does not need you around to interfere. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, just how she may be perceiving it.

No, you can't tell your heart who to love, but you can make reasonable, responsible choices when it comes to reproduction. The children are a year apart. The father of the children didn't think to marry either of the mothers before he created children with them. You bear some responsibility for bringing a child into this situation.

If it comes down to it, you can quit school for now and get a full time job to make up the difference you need to support your child. Why do you think it is fair to take away the support the other child has known simply to support a child you voluntarily brought into this situation? I know, birth control does not always work, but, gee whiz, it sure seems to fail all the time with young girls and boys that have no means to support the children they are creating. I suppose you could have also overlooked one sure fire way to avoid pregnancy. Don't have sex, especially with someone that has a pregnant girlfriend.

You only see it from your side since you are probably a single mother. Now why doesnt she get a job why do I have to support my child on my own if I have the father and she doesnt when she doesnt have the father. and she should have also thought about sleeping with him if they were not together. We were together when we decided to have a baby. But all the considerations go to her that is not fare. She also put her self in this situation yet she gets support from the state. What do I have to do be a single mother so every one will feel sory about me? But I guess the new girl friend is always the evil one in the story right? How unjust

Do you mind if I give my own worthless opinion here?

A thought: As the girlfriend, you should let only the father deal with the mother of the little girl right now. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I was the mother in this situation, and whether you mean to or not, you may seem threatning to the mother. She probably thinks that her daughter has a mother and does not need you around to interfere. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, just how she may be perceiving it.

No, you can't tell your heart who to love, but you can make reasonable, responsible choices when it comes to reproduction. The children are a year apart. The father of the children didn't think to marry either of the mothers before he created children with them. You bear some responsibility for bringing a child into this situation.

If it comes down to it, you can quit school for now and get a full time job to make up the difference you need to support your child. Why do you think it is fair to take away the support the other child has known simply to support a child you voluntarily brought into this situation? I know, birth control does not always work, but, gee whiz, it sure seems to fail all the time with young girls and boys that have no means to support the children they are creating. I suppose you could have also overlooked one sure fire way to avoid pregnancy. Don't have sex, especially with someone that has a pregnant girlfriend.

It's not worthless at all. Sound advice, a lil too late, but not worthless at all.

OP, it's great you feel you'd do that, but you can only really say anything or feel anything if you ARE in that situation. Some women have that under control others will go ballistic.
You can quit school and work a little more and start contributing more to your household. Ofcourse everything was easy before your child because you weren't missing that money. It does take money to support children.

Im not here to judge any one. Im here seekings for help like all of you for our children. Do not judge me just because i am the new girlfriend. Yes I make mistakes just like any normal human. but I dont regret it because that mistake gave me a beautifull baby.

Tahiry could you answer my question about the incom from her?

I appolagise if I ofended anyone.

You only see it from your side since you are probably a single mother. Now why doesnt she get a job why do I have to support my child on my own if I have the father and she doesnt when she doesnt have the father. and she should have also thought about sleeping with him if they were not together. We were together when we decided to have a baby. But all the considerations go to her that is not fare. She also put her self in this situation yet she gets support from the state. What do I have to do be a single mother so every one will feel sory about me? But I guess the new girl friend is always the evil one in the story right? How unjust

Actually your child will always be considered second in the courts eyes. I am a cp as I've stated and I work full time as well as attend school raising our child on my own. I am not the selfish chick you are dealing with. My thing is if you have more children with a person who has a debt you are dealing with that debt as well. That debt doesn't go away because you want to start a new family. That child still needs to be supported. It shouldn't be less because you and him decide within a few months of the birth of the first child to have children. You say she wasn't thinking when she had the child. You had a choice as well not to have a child with him, but you did. Life's not fair you're right about that, but now you have to deal with the situation. She doesn' thave to like you. You are nothing to her child. It also sounds like a future of heartache and pain because now you are bound to this guy as well by a child.

Im not here to judge any one. Im here seekings for help like all of you for our children. Do not judge me just because i am the new girlfriend. Yes I make mistakes just like any normal human. but I dont regret it because that mistake gave me a beautifull baby.

Tahiry could you answer my question about the incom from her?

I appolagise if I ofended anyone.


Actually I've been very nice to you despite you being the new girlfriend. You sound genuine in your quest for knowledge about this situation.

Ask your boyfriend if there was an income imputed at the hearing for her when the support was finalized or was it based solely on his income.

I know you have and I thak you for not judging me with out nowing me. I was refering to the other lady.

On the hearing it was based only on his income.

Hi there I just want to say that it is hard dealing with the (EX) I myself had to go through the same situation myself but we are on talking terms and the child support was lowered due to the fact me and my fiance had a child together not all states consider that. Try to ask if they would base her income on a 40 hr week even though she is not working. It dosen't hurt to ask. Also I would go down and file for visitation ASAP. Because sometime when they go to cout for revire if dad is making an effort on parenting time they might take that into consideratin as well.

Thank you! for your advise. I hope all of you mothers out there have there situations settled. God bless :)

Actually, I'm not a single mother. I am very happily married with 4 children. I wasn't judging YOU, persay, but trying to make you see the other side of the situation. I know it seems very unfair to you, but if the roles were reversed, would you not feel like "well, so he had another baby? He still has to take care of this baby."? How is his having another baby any responsibility of hers? By trying to reduce the amount owed for the first child, you are making her more responsible for the child. Now, if she isn't working, that sucks, but unfortunately, you can't force her to get a job. I didn't say she was right to have a baby with him either. Personally, I think the really scummy one here is the boyfriend, who just can't seem to manage to keep his pants zipped. HE certainly knew that he had prior responsibilities, but alas, he was in love and horny.

As far as getting the child support reduced, you may be able to try for modification, but even if he does get a reduction, it probably won't be much. I know you probably don't want to quit school right now, but you need to realize that you may have to. At the very least, you should look into working full time and maybe trying to take a couple of courses at night or online. I know it's important to your future, but the reality is you need to deal with NOW. It isn't easy, but it can be done.

PS: I still say it would be best for you to back out of any dealings with the other mother. As much as you may want the munchkins to be close, she has no obligation to allow you to have anything to do with her child. Crappy attitude? Maybe, but that's her perogative. How would you like it if some other woman, that has no relation to you child, told you what she wanted to do with your child? i.e.: "We are planning on getting visitation rights." What we? You are not married and it's not your child, therefore you have no business being involved. I know that's not how you feel and view the situation. But I can promise, that's how the other mom sees it. It just makes the situation more contentious.

One more thing... Why should you support your child on your own when you have the father and she doesn't? So, if the situation were reversed and he was with her because he had left you to make a baby with her, then you would have no problem being solely responsible for your child? Because that is what you are saying about her. Precisely because he is with you and he is there with your new baby, while the first baby doesn't have a father around, is why he is paying support in the first place. If he had stayed with the first mother and they were raising the baby together, there would be no support order, would there? :)

and btw, I was in the situation at one time with my firstborn. The difference was that after being together for 3 years, I had the baby, he left for 2 years, got a new girlfriend and then had the balls (or lack thereof) to allow gf to interfere in the situation. It got very ugly, he pays substantial support with VERY limited visitation. (I'm talking, supervised by adult female at all times, cannot take her anywhere (not even an outing) without my express knowledge and permission, must provide phone #'s and access at all times and gets to see her for 3 weeks a year, TOTAL.....) Sadly for him, his gf (whom he did marry) left him. He's thousands behind on cs (she paid it) and he has terminated virtually all of his visitation. I love my daughter more than anything, but I put myself in a very bad situation. So, I pulled up my big girl panties and did whatever I had to do to support my daughter. I'm proud to say that she is safe, loved and very well taken care of along with my husband, 2 sisters and one brother.

My boyfriend pays 500 a month for child support. He is only 21 and I am19. We just had a baby and we are having financial problems. child support took all our tax money and now they are having a modification to get more money. My boyfriend called them and told them he has a family to support and they said my daughter and I dont matter. Is this true what can we do? My daughter also needs things we cant get her. There have been some weeks we dont have food in our fridge. :(
Actually, there are several things you can do:

1. If you and him file taxes jointly, until you are married you need to file seperate returns. You both pay more taxes, but then only HIS refund is offset.

2. If you get married you can file jointly and you'll need to file an injured spouse form so that you'll recieve YOUR PORTION of the refund.

3. Do NOT put ANY of your earnings, money into a joint account with him. Until the arrears are paid, always keep your finances seperate from his.

4. As cruel as it sounds, you need to accept and get used to the fact that part of his income is already "spent" on CS. It is easier for you if you don't even count the CS he pays as part of his income. This is a fact that will not change as long as he has to pay CS.

5. If there are financial problems after paying CS, you can always go to work full time, or find another way to increase YOUR income. Unfortunately, him getting a second job wouldn't help because the CS would increase accordingly, so the responsibility falls on you to make up the difference if your child's needs aren't being met.

Sorry, but that's just the realities of life being with and having a child with a man who pays CS. Good luck.
Xena

Since you are not married to him, can't you put him on child support. You will ensure that your child is financially getting what she needs. Having another child support order may or may not affect the first one because it is an added expense.

I think Xena is right on with her suggestions. I understand where you're coming from, but some of the others are right. You need to quit school and get a full time job. Sucks, but you need to do what's best for your baby until this mess gets sorted out. Once CS is lowered and things are stabilized again, go back to school.

No, the courts really don't care about the new baby. I understand that frustration. I had a baby Jan 05. DH got laid off May 05. We immediately filed for a reduction in CS due to the change in job and extra child, but because he is now self-employed, it's going to take about a year to get CS reduced (lots of red tape). In the meantime, DH is expected to pay the full CS regardless if it puts us in the poor house. Regardless if that means that DH can't provide for his new child because of the CS order. That's just life. I am paying 90% of the household bills, 100% of daycare, etc with my full time job. We go without a lot of things right now so CS can get paid and the needs of our son are met.

That's the consequence of bringing another child into an already bad situation. People ask me all the time if we're going to have another child. If it weren't for Dh's crazy ex and our mounting legal bills, I would have another one, but I married into this situation and I need to do what's best for my child, so I make the sacrifices necessary to make sure he gets what he needs first. DH makes the sacrficies to make sure his daughter is taken care of.

BTW, if the other baby is only 18 months old, how can the BM take you back for more support? I thought you could only request more CS every 3 years unless something significant had changed in circumstances?

BTW, if the other baby is only 18 months old, how can the BM take you back for more support? I thought you could only request more CS every 3 years unless something significant had changed in circumstances?[/QUOTE]

The baby is not 18mths yet, she was asking if it was true the mother doesn't have to go back to work until the child is 18 mths.

The children are barely a year a part.

You are definately in a bad situation right now. I live in Massachusetts and having another child support IS considered when evaluating the amount of child support payments. I would definately file for a modification in the CS amount.
Also, I don't think you should have to quit school. People can't have it both ways. On one hand they believe you are nothing to the child, on the other, you should have to change your life because of the child.
You and and your boyfriend need to decide what your relationship can handle. I know you now have a baby together and if you both plan on staying together and eventually getting married than you will be this little girl's step mom, whether her mom likes it or not.
Yes, she has a mother but she will also have a step sister and a step mother. Just because she does not like you does not mean she can keep her daughter away from you. You should request visitation, she can't stop that
I went through something like this for two years until we got full custody. You just need to be the bigger person and I would not quit school, your husband has the same obligation to your daughter as he does his other daughter.
Also, she should most definiately GET A JOB. In our case we were able to prove what she was capable of making from prior jobs and they took that into consideration. Also, you said she lives with her mom and has no car etc. so mention that as well. So she is probably able to live off $500 a month since she is not out on her own so she doesn't feel like working if she can live off someone else. It is your boyfriends job to provide for his daughter but it is also her job to be a mother and provide for her own child. I can completely relate to your frustration but have faith, hopefully it should get better.

You are definately in a bad situation right now. I live in Massachusetts and having another child support IS considered when evaluating the amount of child support payments. I would definately file for a modification in the CS amount.
Also, I don't think you should have to quit school. People can't have it both ways. On one hand they believe you are nothing to the child, on the other, you should have to change your life because of the child.
You and and your boyfriend need to decide what your relationship can handle. I know you now have a baby together and if you both plan on staying together and eventually getting married than you will be this little girl's step mom, whether her mom likes it or not.
Yes, she has a mother but she will also have a step sister and a step mother. Just because she does not like you does not mean she can keep her daughter away from you. You should request visitation, she can't stop that
I went through something like this for two years until we got full custody. You just need to be the bigger person and I would not quit school, your husband has the same obligation to your daughter as he does his other daughter.
Also, she should most definiately GET A JOB. In our case we were able to prove what she was capable of making from prior jobs and they took that into consideration. Also, you said she lives with her mom and has no car etc. so mention that as well. So she is probably able to live off $500 a month since she is not out on her own so she doesn't feel like working if she can live off someone else. It is your boyfriends job to provide for his daughter but it is also her job to be a mother and provide for her own child. I can completely relate to your frustration but have faith, hopefully it should get better.

all of this is cacaca...! First off you have no clue as to where this woman is. 2nd she IS NOTHING to the child. Her child WILL always be second in the courts eyes and if she doesn't quit her job she most likely with the boyfriend be in the streets. She HAS to help support her household to maintain. Her child as well as the other DOES NOT have to see one another. Until some type of visitation is established they don't ever have to meet.

Your boyfriend/husband whatever must've really had a bad ex to get full custody. Those are rare and few.

Mother does not have to get a job because SHE has the child. They can impute an income, but she still can't be made to work.

okay, Jenknight, in response to your post....sorry, this is long.


1. There is no other cs order. The bf is only ordered to pay the 1st mother. Chav would have to file for cs and then let the FATHER try to modify the original order. Chav would still probably get less cs because the father already had the 1st order in place (which she knew before puposely having a baby with him). Kid #2, 3, etc. usually get less.

2. The one that can't have it both ways is this mother. I never said she was a child, I said she was young. For all I know she is 21. The point is that once a person decides to bring a child into this world, the priorities of life change. She owes it to her child to do whatever she has to in order to support this child. If that means cutting her school schedule, quitting, taking online courses, or postponing school for the time being in order to go to work, then that is HER responsibility. The baby doesn't care if mom is getting her education while he/she is crying from hunger or cold. In other words, if the mom is old enough to have a baby, she better be MATURE enough to provide for it.

3. Nobody knows for sure if this couple will get married. As it stands, they are not married now, so the 1st mother CAN decide she does not want HER daughter to be anywhere near this woman. (I know, I too was in the situation, I'll be happy to relate what happened with her, later, if you like. Suffice it to say, it caused alot of problems for my daughter's father.) The OP has absolutely NO standing to be petitioning the court for anything in regards to the 1st child. She is in no way related, nor relevant, in the courts eye when it comes to the 1st child. If the father wants to go for visitation, that is his business, but Chev needs to step way back. Sorry, girlfriend of the father of the baby does NOT eqaul stepmom. Even if they were married, she still has no standing and the court would not allow her to have anything to do with any suits or proceedings.

4. You cannot force the mother of child #1 to get a job. Whethter we think she should work, or not, is a moot point. We have no way of knowing what her true situation is. Yes, if she can work, of course she "should", but so should this poster. By your logic, mom #1 should work, but Chev should not have to quit school to work to support her baby? What's wrong with this picture? Doesn't she have the same responsibility to her child as the Mom#1????

Okay, I've said all I can on this. Sorry this was so long. I'm done. :)

My boyfriend pays 500 a month for child support. He is only 21 and I am19. We just had a baby and we are having financial problems. child support took all our tax money and now they are having a modification to get more money. My boyfriend called them and told them he has a family to support and they said my daughter and I dont matter. Is this true what can we do? My daughter also needs things we cant get her. There have been some weeks we dont have food in our fridge. :(

When they say you don't matter - they don't mean that you don't matter as human beings. They mean that your existance and circumstances are not relevant to his current child support order. So don't take it personally, it is the truth. It is really unfortunate that you can not provide basic necessities (such as food) for you and your baby, but your boyfriend still has a legal obligation to pay child support. Check into welfare services to get you through the hard times and try to find ways to improve your incomes. Good luck.

Okay, so this is my question....why is it that when a woman and man have say 2 kids and then they get divorced, she does not have to work and that is "OKAY" in the courts' eyes but yet if the man does not work he goes to jail or gets every dime of his tax return taken? This has not happened to me so please do not ask me if it has but this is what happens everyday to a lot of men. I am the "new wife" who was the girlfriend while my husband was still legally married to his EX and I got pregnant by him the very day his youngest daughter with her was born and I can tell you it is not easy but it is workable. I do agree that if you knowingly get with a man who has an obligation then you must know what to expect but I also think that the other woman(mama No.1) needs to be working too. My hubby's EX did not work for like 2 years and did not get any child support either but still would not go and get on any type of assistance to help her own kids out. I offered to pay her support while he was deployed but she said no she did not want for me to send it to her she would get it how she wanted it so that is what she got...NADA!! He could not be touched until he returned(redeployed) back to the CONUS from Iraq so she really did her children some favor huh? It is this type of **** that is just so stupid. I think that as my mother would say..."what is good for the goose is good for the gander" is so true. If the woman wants to have a kid then her *** needs to get out and get a job too. I think that courts should give a little leadway for the new baby but not so much that it totally diminishes the support for the prior born kid(s). I will say for Chavarria, you just have to get a job it seems and I will tell you that it will make things a lot better around there if you do. You cannot look at it like"well why should I have to work so that he pays her and we go without..." it is not like that. You have to keep your chin up and say" I am working so that my baby girl has what she needs and we have what we need". Let the other mom deal with her kid by herself and with whatever support she gets. It is okay to love your man's prior born kid but not more than it's own mom does. Let it go and focus on you, your baby girl and your man and let the rest go! Trust me it gets better in time but if you love him and you love your relationship it will all be okay! Stay focused on what is really important(your daughter) and you will find that his dumb *** EX will eventually grow bored of sitting on her *** doing nothing and she will get out and find someone new or a job or a new guy to get knocked up by and she will come to realize that a kid will drain $500 a month real real quick so she will not have much left for herself. Just realize that child support is something that is here and will not go away any time soon and it is just a force to be reckoned with but it cannot keep you down unless you let it. I can honestly say that I wish I had stayed in college longer but I could not because I got pregnant and I had to quit and it blows but you can always go back and finish later. Take care and good luck!@!! :)

I agree with the above posts completely! I must say Missing...I almost did they whole filing for support when my hubby and I were just dating and I had already had our daughter just to keep his support to his EX down but did not. It is a good idea though! :)

Tahari you summed up your entire viewpoint in one sentence: "your husband must have had a bad ex to get full custody."

It is women like you who think that a child should always stay with the mother and that the mother would have to be a crack head to be removed. There are many fathers who can offer a much better home for their children than their mother.

If you read my post I did not say they can stand with a gun over her head and make her work, but they can assume an estimated earnings from her past income and that DOES INDEED affect the support. You say because she has the child she cannot go ou get off her *** and work like millions of decent mothers do everyday. Yes then childcare costs will be assessed but again it depends on the childs age if he/she attends school and so forth.

And suggesting that the children who are indeed step brother/sister should not meet is insane. She IS something to this child and whether the mother wants to accept it or not. Everyone is so quick to say, "suck it up and accept the fact he has another child before yours" well the mother needs to do the same, "suck it up and realize your child will most likely soon have a step mom and a has a step brother/sister, deal with is, just as he has to deal with the support payments.

Can't have it both ways. This website is intended to give people legal advice on their situation and I speak from expeirnece that the new partner does have some say in what goes on, moreso if they are married.

Also, she ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have say over who her child is around as long as they are not a threat to her child. SHe can't say "oh I dont want my daughter around my X's new girlfriend." That will not fly. As soon as visitation is ordered her wanting to keep the girlfriend and child apart goes out the window.

Um, once again, all together now....

As long as this woman is just a gf, then no, the mother does not have to allow her child to be around her. Even if they were married, while it would be hard, if not impossible, to keep the kid away from the new wife, the new wife would still have no say in court in regards to visitation, custody, of cs. I know, I was the custodial mother, she was the gf turned wife. She got kicked out of the courtroom. As it stands, there is no custody/ visitation, therefore, this poster has no standing, what so ever. Gawd, meddling people make me tired.

Um, once again, all together now....

As long as this woman is just a gf, then no, the mother does not have to allow her child to be around her. Even if they were married, while it would be hard, if not impossible, to keep the kid away from the new wife, the new wife would still have no say in court in regards to visitation, custody, of cs. I know, I was the custodial mother, she was the gf turned wife. She got kicked out of the courtroom. As it stands, there is no custody/ visitation, therefore, this poster has no standing, what so ever. Gawd, meddling people make me tired.

Thank you!

Tahari you summed up your entire viewpoint in one sentence: "your husband must have had a bad ex to get full custody."

It is women like you who think that a child should always stay with the mother and that the mother would have to be a crack head to be removed. There are many fathers who can offer a much better home for their children than their mother.

If you read my post I did not say they can stand with a gun over her head and make her work, but they can assume an estimated earnings from her past income and that DOES INDEED affect the support. You say because she has the child she cannot go ou get off her *** and work like millions of decent mothers do everyday. Yes then childcare costs will be assessed but again it depends on the childs age if he/she attends school and so forth.

And suggesting that the children who are indeed step brother/sister should not meet is insane. She IS something to this child and whether the mother wants to accept it or not. Everyone is so quick to say, "suck it up and accept the fact he has another child before yours" well the mother needs to do the same, "suck it up and realize your child will most likely soon have a step mom and a has a step brother/sister, deal with is, just as he has to deal with the support payments.

Can't have it both ways. This website is intended to give people legal advice on their situation and I speak from expeirnece that the new partner does have some say in what goes on, moreso if they are married.

Also, she ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT have say over who her child is around as long as they are not a threat to her child. SHe can't say "oh I dont want my daughter around my X's new girlfriend." That will not fly. As soon as visitation is ordered her wanting to keep the girlfriend and child apart goes out the window.

The girlfriend has no say whatso ever. The children AGAIN DO NOT HAVE TO MEET.Do you think there's a law that makes children meet?

Mommyof4 are you alright?? Your ex's new wife must have made a fool of herself to get kicked out of the courtroom. Not only did I stay standing beside my husband the entire time but the judge asked me to speak several times.

There is no state in this country that would allow a scorned bitter ex to say "I don't want my child around my ex's new wife" and to agree and mandate a visitation order based on this! Now if there was an abuse allegation or an endagerment issue with the child being around her than that is a different story. But because you don't like her for whatever reason will not fly ANYWHERE!

Do I agree that the new wife should casue problems for no reason, absolutely not. There are many new wives who are money hungry and think their child should be more important than the first, however there are just as many bitter ex wives who display the same "money hungry" behavior.

Both are a generalization and do not represent everyone.

I just needed to reply to your unsupported comment. I don't know where you got that information but you need to check your facts, you are absolutely DEAD WRONG!

and Tahari there is not law mandating step children to meet. It would only show good moral character to allow children who are related by BLOOD to be part of each other's lives. But you have just shown what your position would be.

Let me ask you this..... If your parents were separated and your mother made a big stink about you seeing your dad and his children, who are your family and you found out later in life you had step brothers or sisters, you would not want to have met them? If you say no you are lying. Or maybe you are just heartless. You need to remember you are supposed to do what is in the best interests of the CHILD. One is not supposed to live out their vendeta on the new wife through their child.

Like I said, "all together now" once there is a visitation order, the women cannot say who her child can be around unless there is an underlying issue of danger. No way, no how, find me a judge or an existing order in the courts today that mandate visitation based on the mom's likes and dislikes. (You'll be looking for a long long time)

[QUOTE=Tahari]1. The children would not be stepchildren they would be half siblings.
2. No they would not have to meet. I don't know about it being good moral character to have these children meet? What country are you referring to? That is up to the choice of the parents.

You can easily look for your siblings later on in life if that is what you choose. Everyone doesn't think like you do. If it's such a big issue. Try going down to your local police dept and complain that your boyfriend's ex won't let her children see our children. TAke a pic of the sgt. face and post it here when you do. :eek:

Actually, there was no abuse, it just finally came to light that he was causing more problems because SHE was driving the train. Judge wasn't to hip to that little problem. Oh, yeah, and they weren't married at the time. As a matter of fact, the first time I ever met her is when they came to my house and tried to take my daughter while I was at work. I'm perfectly fine, thanks for asking. You are forgetting one key point in this original post. THEY ARE NOT MARRIED. As the mother with sole physical and legal custody, I most certainly can say if my daughter will be around a new gf or not. As a matter of fact, he cannot take my daughter off of his property without my permission. At the same time, he cannot have visitation with her unless there is another adult female (that I know and approve of) present at all times. They finally did get married, but the wife is now ex and is facing charges of id theft along with the ex for using my daughter's ssn. Please reread my post, as I clearly stated that while it would be difficult, if not impossible to keep a child away from the new wife, it is certainly the mother's perogative to not allow the new gf to have visitation. I don't care if the new gf had 32 children with the ex. They are not married and there is no custody/visitation order. As a matter of fact, if the mother really wants to be cruel, she doesn't even have to let the father see the child at this point. Now, if and when they get orders from the court, the mother will have to abide by that. Until then, there is nothing this poster can do. And if they go to court, the FATHER has a case, not the new gf. I know of no court that will allow a visitation suit to proceed filed by the gf beacuse she wants visitation rights because she now has a child with the loser and wants access to his first child, too. Get real.

As to good moral character, I guess only the 1st mom's character is in question here?

I knew you could not find any case law or open visitation order ever in THIS COUNTRY, United States of America, where the visitation order would not allow the father's new wife to see HER stepchild.

"You can easily look for your siblings later on in life if that is what you choose. Everyone doesn't think like you do. If it's such a big issue. Try going down to your local police dept and complain that your boyfriend's ex won't let her children see our children. TAke a pic of the sgt. face and post it here when you do. "

I guess when you get backed into a corner and called out for having no idea what you are talking about really makes you stay stupid things. Yeah thats what I am going to do walk into a police station with a camera. It is a civil issue not an issue to burden the police department with.

I don't have the problem, if you read my reply you would have seen that. I see MY STEPCHILD every Tuesday and Wednesday night and every other weekend. (and two weeks a year for vacation, just in case you wanted to know) And he loves seeing his half sister who is two months old, but thanks anyways.

I knew you could not find any case law or open visitation order ever in THIS COUNTRY, United States of America, where the visitation order would not allow the father's new wife to see HER stepchild.

"You can easily look for your siblings later on in life if that is what you choose. Everyone doesn't think like you do. If it's such a big issue. Try going down to your local police dept and complain that your boyfriend's ex won't let her children see our children. TAke a pic of the sgt. face and post it here when you do. "

I guess when you get backed into a corner and called out for having no idea what you are talking about really makes you stay stupid things. Yeah thats what I am going to do walk into a police station with a camera. It is a civil issue not an issue to burden the police department with.

I don't have the problem, if you read my reply you would have seen that. I see MY STEPCHILD every Tuesday and Wednesday night and every other weekend. (and two weeks a year for vacation, just in case you wanted to know) And he loves seeing his half sister who is two months old, but thanks anyways.

NO you're obviously the stupid one coming on here asking me what you consider to be morally correct! This woman again I SAY IS NOTHING TO THIS CHILD NOR DOES THE CHILDREN HAVE TO MEET! You're obvoiusly the dimwit to even come out with they must meet. They don't have to do anything, but eat **** and die!

In the eyes of the court, a step parent is a legal stranger. They have no rights or claims to a child of their partner that is not related biologically. doesn't mean that step parents do not love their step children, or that the sp and sc are actual strangers, just the LEGAL definition.

Tahari, you are one CLASSY LADY!!!

You are an embaressment to women. I did not ask YOU to have some moral character, because that would be asking the impossible.

I think being a mother is the most important job in the world and one should sacrifice their feelings for the BETTERMENT of their child. But I see that is beyond your realm of thinking, and I am the dimwit??

But regardless, this is supposed to act as a legal forum and you have provided no legal advice to the original poster. You have only offered your worthless opinion which is unfounded and means nothng to anyone.

You don't even know that you cannot burden the polce with custody and visitation problems. Why are you on here? Nothing else to do today?

Your poor poor children. I'll pray for them.

Tahari, you are one CLASSY LADY!!!

You are an embaressment to women. I did not ask YOU to have some moral character, because that would be asking the impossible.

I think being a mother is the most important job in the world and one should sacrifice their feelings for the BETTERMENT of their child. But I see that is beyond your realm of thinking, and I am the dimwit??

But regardless, this is supposed to act as a legal forum and you have provided no legal advice to the original poster. You have only offered your worthless opinion which is unfounded and means nothng to anyone.

You don't even know that you cannot burden the polce with custody and visitation problems. Why are you on here? Nothing else to do today?

Your poor poor children. I'll pray for them.

You're such an idiot. I rest my case lol. I was saying it as a joke. Apparently you're the only one that thought it was serious. I don't even know why I am continuing to converse with you. Hence it'll stop.

This is proof that new wives and girlfriends easily call the ex's greedy one's. You go on and help your hubby pay his support. :cool:

http://www.familylawsoftware.com/splitgen/sp/gn/stepmother.htm

Tahari, read up, so you can at least pretend you have some knowledge of family law.
An ex professor of mind was one of the writers of this software and he sat as the judge of Essex County probate court for 28 years, I think maybe he knew a little something regarding family law.

Just trying to help educate those who cannot seem to help themselves.

I did. I gave legal, sound advice. You just didn't like it. I never asked you to, just acknowledge that it was the advice asked for. Have a nice day. :)

Maddiesmom, did you skip reading the disclaimer? It clearly states that they are NOT giving legal advice. Further more, it goes on to state that they deny any legal liability.

This link supports my responses throughout this thread. Do not try to replace mother, speak well of mother, etc. Maybe you should reread this. :confused:

Mommyof4 I wasn't referring to you. But since you brought it up, your advice was not of any legal finding, sorry, but it just was not.

Most of what you had to say was most likely from your experience, but not what the experience of most would be.

Maddiesmom, did you skip reading the disclaimer? It clearly states that they are NOT giving legal advice.

lol I am done with her. And this is coming from a woman who can't differentiate mine and mind? :eek:

pointing out spelling errors, wow ? Do you even have an education?

It is fairly common on this sight to be typing and hit the wrong key, but we know you are perfect.

I can just picture you sitting at your computer right now waiting for somoene to respond to you. Stuffing popcorn and candy in your face waiting for your next CS check to come. People like you provide us with a laugh for the day.

Ha ha. Thanks Tahari, gotta run now. You are the picture of the typical ex wife, fat and miserable.

I'll take being an idiot over you anyday of the week!!!!

Bye bye

Do

That is very comical that I pictured her in the same way when I was reading one of her unintelligent responses to another post.

Right on Maddiesmom!!

Try not to get too much food stuck in the keyboard, it will slow your typing down. The we will not get to hear your stupid replys everyday.

Maddiesmom I'm thinking she's about 280 ish pounds, you think I'm right?

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

and this has to do what with this thread? If you run out of arguments or points, please just stop responding. This was not warranted and is out of line. And why would you CAdad, jump into a thread just to egg on a poster like this? I think this thread has served its usefulness.

That is very comical that I pictured her in the same way when I was reading one of her unintelligent responses to another post.

Right on Maddiesmom!!

Try not to get too much food stuck in the keyboard, it will slow your typing down. The we will not get to hear your stupid replys everyday.

Maddiesmom I'm thinking she's about 280 ish pounds, you think I'm right?

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Try 130 lbs, 5'9 and $1500 richer each month due to support. I'm actually looking for my next trip if you really want to know.

In the eyes of the court, a step parent is a legal stranger. They have no rights or claims to a child of their partner that is not related biologically. doesn't mean that step parents do not love their step children, or that the sp and sc are actual strangers, just the LEGAL definition.
Ok you say the step parents are strangers but in some ocations they have to pay child support for their husban and if a step child grows up with the step parent he has to pay child support if there is a divorce.

If there is a visitation order than i would be able to see her because we live together and she would come to my house. Unless he had to see her somewere else because she proved he is danger to the child wich wouldnt happen. If she was to say in the court "I dont want her around my child" that would make her sound inmature to the judge and she wouldnt get her way. Once we get marry I will legaly be the step parent wether she or anyone else likes it or not. :)

Try 130 lbs, 5'9 and $1500 richer each month due to support. I'm actually looking for my next trip if you really want to know.
That money is suposto go to the children. You just suported my point that the money doesnt go to the kids but to the money sucking leaches.

Thenks to all the step moms out there who have a heart the size of the earth to love the ex. babys and to let them come in your homes. You all are bigger than the other woman thats why he is with you not with her. but like I was saying thank you for your advise. Sorry I couldnt reply before. Unlike the ex. I have school (wich i'm not quiting ,thak you verry much, work and a family to take care off) I cant see how these woman can just sit on their behind all day waiting to get checks from the hard working father. Personaly I couldnt do that. Once again I admire the new wifes and girlfriends to take the time to take care of the ex. child. But thats cus we were brought up better than to blame others or relly on others.

Yep, I'm sure that is what we all do all day, ya' know, us being greedy, lazy, mean women. Personally, I was brought up better than to get pregnant with a man that had a newborn baby. :cool: Good luck to you.

That money is suposto go to the children. You just suported my point that the money doesnt go to the kids but to the money sucking leaches.

Ummmm its called reimbursement thanks for your input tho.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Yep, I'm sure that is what we all do all day, ya' know, us being greedy, lazy, mean women. Personally, I was brought up better than to get pregnant with a man that had a newborn baby. :cool: Good luck to you.

It's apparent that the babies raise themselves lol. :rolleyes:

Thenks to all the step moms out there who have a heart the size of the earth to love the ex. babys and to let them come in your homes. You all are bigger than the other woman thats why he is with you not with her. but like I was saying thank you for your advise. Sorry I couldnt reply before. Unlike the ex. I have school (wich i'm not quiting ,thak you verry much, work and a family to take care off) I cant see how these woman can just sit on their behind all day waiting to get checks from the hard working father. Personaly I couldnt do that. Once again I admire the new wifes and girlfriends to take the time to take care of the ex. child. But thats cus we were brought up better than to blame others or relly on others.

Im sorry, is this the same person coming on here crying about how her boyfriend is paying too much in support? Correct me if I am wrong. Not quitting school, continuing to work part-time and trying to chime in on time with the new boyfriend's child. :eek: Can anyone guess where she'll be in the next year? I'm sorry Chavarria, but I am not the one who came on the thread crying about barely having food in my fridge.

Chavarria don't waste your time with her.

She goes to each and every thread, throws her worthless opinions around and brags about her beautiful child and boyfriend and that she gets so much money in support and that her life could not possibly get any better. Read her other posts, trust me it is not worth your time. But then insinuates that if you "come on this website your life can't be that great." (Double talking and contradicting yourself???) And according to Ceara she is a longtime member, you know what that means.

I wrote back and forth because all my partners and I were in the conference room laughing about this woman and the things that come out of her mouth.

Don't waste your time. She was dumped by her son's father and is so mad that she takes it out on anyone who is the ex's "new wife." So if you see that she replied just skip right past it. It will most likely be an uneducated mess of mumbo jumbo. I had two members private message me last night that they have been ignoring her for a couple months and to do the same so just letting you know.

Chavarria don't waste your time with her.

She goes to each and every thread, throws her worthless opinions around and brags about her beautiful child and boyfriend and that she gets so much money in support and that her life could not possibly get any better. Read her other posts, trust me it is not worth your time. But then insinuates that if you "come on this website your life can't be that great." (Double talking and contradicting yourself???) And according to Ceara she is a longtime member, you know what that means.

I wrote back and forth because all my partners and I were in the conference room laughing about this woman and the things that come out of her mouth.

Don't waste your time. She was dumped by her son's father and is so mad that she takes it out on anyone who is the ex's "new wife." So if you see that she replied just skip right past it. It will most likely be an uneducated mess of mumbo jumbo. I had two members private message me last night that they have been ignoring her for a couple months and to do the same so just letting you know.

You CAdad are a joke. Chavarria already got her advice for the day no need for your worthless jibberjabber lol. And for your info CAdad, i came on here originally with issues and now you see i don't have any because I pay a lawyer to handle my ex.

yup yup sure.....see chavaria you just zoom right by her...eventually she will go away...with any luck that is.......


However
Correction: you don't pay a lawyer...your ex pays the lawyer..(You use his money, but nice try)

Sometimes..I just can't help myself from commenting b/c it is so comical...oh my all my "jibber jabber" again.

Tabitha,
My apologies...Power surge on the PC would not allow my return to the message screen...but you have my email on there so that will be fine...
when you write let me know your first lawyers name so I can go to the courthouse and pull the file. I was there this morning but it slipped by mind.

No, I already have all the information that I need. Initial constable serve was negative, however we are granted 15 days turnover before next session, whether it is stamped or not

Try either mine or Yanni's e mail we should both be in the office for another couple hours. Good to have spoke again.

yup yup sure.....see chavaria you just zoom right by her...eventually she will go away...with any luck that is.......


However
Correction: you don't pay a lawyer...your ex pays the lawyer..(You use his money, but nice try)

Sometimes..I just can't help myself from commenting b/c it is so comical...oh my all my "jibber jabber" again.

COM-E-DY...NOW WHICH ONE OF YOUR MANY CHARACTERS IS TYPING NOW? CAROLINE? JOSEPHINE? THOMAS? WE ALREADY SEE YOUR TRUE COLORS AND MANY CHARACTERS/SCREENNAMES WHATEVER? OH I AM SORRY THAT WAS MY BOYFRIEND CHIMING IN TYPING...OH WAIT NO THAT WAS BABY. DUFUS I SWEAR LOL.
YOU'VE SAID NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THIS WHOLE THREAD TO ASSIST THE OP. I THINK YOU SHOULD QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD. :cool:

Tabitha,
My apologies...Power surge on the PC would not allow my return to the message screen...but you have my email on there so that will be fine...
when you write let me know your first lawyers name so I can go to the courthouse and pull the file. I was there this morning but it slipped by mind.

No, I already have all the information that I need. Initial constable serve was negative, however we are granted 15 days turnover before next session, whether it is stamped or not

Try either mine or Yanni's e mail we should both be in the office for another couple hours. Good to have spoke again.

AND THIS IS FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS THE PERFECT RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS EX :eek: OR IS THAT ALL WORK RELATED MR. MILLIONAIRE?

Shut the **** up Tahari...for once and for all Jesus Christ....

Yeah I know I am ahead..I have always been ahead you stupid fat slob..go get a job. You popping up in my e-mail every two seconds is brutal.

The truth hurts, it always will.

Chav, you don't understand. In a court of law, legally, you are never recognized as a step-parent. You are recognized as the spouse of one of the natural parents. When you are married to a person that is responsible for cs, YOU are not legally responsible to pay his cs. Yes, you probably will help with it, but you are not legally responsible for it. (There are times when your spouse's cs obligation can be based on your financial status, but not in a regular setting. There must be certain conditions and problems to warrant this action.)

Quite frankly, with your attitude within these postings, I can see why she wants her child to have nothing to do with you. You have not shown one bit of consideration for her feelings from the very beginning. Perhaps, if you had not been so overbearing from the very beginning, you wouldn't be in this situation. Try to lighten up and see what happens.


CAdad, please shut up. You and Maddiesmom have been addressed many times on this thread and another. I have read over your postings, and with the exception of one,(which has dubious information) you have not offered a single legally helpful bit of advice. The only thing you have done is try to get your rocks off by causing arguments. Nobody cares about your oh, so successful life or your rich wife. Since you are in Napa Valley, go grab a bottle of wine and drink it off!!!!

Shut the **** up Tahari...for once and for all Jesus Christ....

Yeah I know I am ahead..I have always been ahead you stupid fat slob..go get a job. You popping up in my e-mail every two seconds is brutal.

The truth hurts, it always will.

Wow did i touch a nerve. People we have a WINNER! :cool: NOW STOP HIJACKING THE DAMN THREAD!!!

Well, wouldn't you loooove to spend some time with a man as gentlemanly as this, ladies? My condolences to your wife.

Please...............help not fight

And You Were calling ME inmature. But you know wat I realize she might have the money but I have the love of the man she wanted so thats all that counts :) This turned out to be verry ammuzing

chavarria, that is all I wanted for you to realize. Taking advice from a person who I can make look that bad is never a good idea. (It didn't even take much effort but it was a hell of good time) wooaahh hooo

Why are you picking on her for.......GAME OVER

Why are you picking on her for.......GAME OVER
Wing chun just ignore him, maybe the damn flea will go away. That's all he/she wants anyway is attn.

Chavarria, your household is in jeopardy. It won't get any better without you helping to keep your home afloat. If there is barely food in your fridge that should be telling you something. Possibly taking online classes and getting a f/t job might help you in that dept.

Good luck in your quest for peace.

NO you're obviously the stupid one coming on here asking me what you consider to be morally correct! This woman again I SAY IS NOTHING TO THIS CHILD NOR DOES THE CHILDREN HAVE TO MEET! You're obvoiusly the dimwit to even come out with they must meet. They don't have to do anything, but eat **** and die!


WOW....Tahari you really showed where that hearfelt statement came from...the deep black hole that is your heart!! You are one very bitter, whiny ***** and that is why you are more than likely single now and very unhappy!! Get over it adn live your wretched, horrid life in "peace".!!

It can happen. She being the custodial parent doesn't have to work. What is her situation? It's not like 500 a month can really carry someone for the month unless they are not living on their own or have expenses.She has the child. Your boyfriend on the other hand has to pay because he is the non custodial. He could easily quit his job and go into hiding. That's what i mean by not having to work. As far as being left out in the cold on the streets, unfortunately it has happend and will continue to happen if parents don't step up and do what they have to do as parents unfortunately. When you have government governing your household, it is never a pretty sight. :eek:

I am a parent receiving child support. I have a lawyer.


Okay so you are stating that the father could do exactly as the mother is doing? Not working? Yea...BULL****!!! She can choose not to work but for **** sake if he were to so he would be burned at the cross for it. I think that a woman should be just as responsible for caring for her kid as the man. Let the femnazi **** go *****!

Okay so you are stating that the father could do exactly as the mother is doing? Not working? Yea...BULL****!!! She can choose not to work but for **** sake if he were to so he would be burned at the cross for it. I think that a woman should be just as responsible for caring for her kid as the man. Let the femnazi **** go *****!
Is there a reason that you absolutely refuse to observe the rules against reopening a dead thread??? Have you even looked at the dates or are you just finding contentious threads to add your own arguments on to??? Knock it off and while you're at it, try to rememeber that your language does NOTHING to further your cause or garner support. It doesn't make you seem like a strong woman when you use that language. It makes you look like a pathetic girl using dirty words to shock people. NOW, either start your own thread or go away. I am going to report your posts on old, dead threads from here on out.

Is there a reason that you absolutely refuse to observe the rules against reopening a dead thread??? Have you even looked at the dates or are you just finding contentious threads to add your own arguments on to??? Knock it off and while you're at it, try to rememeber that your language does NOTHING to further your cause or garner support. It doesn't make you seem like a strong woman when you use that language. It makes you look like a pathetic girl using dirty words to shock people. NOW, either start your own thread or go away. I am going to report your posts on old, dead threads from here on out.
I agree, and I'm also going to report her posts.
Xena

I thought that when a man had other children, the court would try to even out his income so all his children are treated equally. Only today in reading this thread am I finding out that it's not so. Puzzling.

daddyofalexis, this thread is very, very old and all of the points you have raised have already been addressed ad nauseum. Please look at the dates of the threads you are replying to. Thanx.

if he cant afford to support his children, he needs to stop making them. end of story.

Hey! Moron! This thread is a YEAR old! Do you honestly believe that the OP is coming back to read your words of wisdom Kelly??:rolleyes:

Not to mention that she is now responding to her own posts. Daddyofalexis IS Kelly. :rolleyes: