Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am
willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick
who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and
no hard feelings. Please join my group at

http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption

If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now
and maybe one of our new angles can find for you.

Bernice

On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann)
wrote:
Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I amwilling to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstickwho said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person andno hard feelings. Please join my group athttp://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoptionIf i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join nowand maybe one of our new angles can find for you.Bernice

A few questions Bernice..

Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to
search?

Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they
are in need of therapy?

Do you realize the amount of power you have over the person new to
searching? Do you ever wonder if you are abusing that power?

Jackie

in article qk6epvkud6ls6n0966e89aovtehdvp55qt@4ax.com, Jackie at
jdajda@newsguy.com wrote on 23/10/03 1:13 am:
On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote: Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and no hard feelings. Please join my group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now and maybe one of our new angles can find for you. Bernice


A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy?


Why would or should someone who is not mental health professional, be
telling anyone that they need "therapy" for any reason, Jackie?

Robin


Do you realize the amount of power you have over the person new to searching? Do you ever wonder if you are abusing that power? Jackie

I, obviously don't know the reasons why you and others want to trash
ALIA or the moderator, but your way out of line telling me I need
therapy! that's just ignorant and it looks to me like you have way too
much time on your hands. Find something to do except stick your nose in
others business.

I started my search in mid july. One of the first sites I posted to was
ALIA. Along with many other FREE sites available because someone in
volunteering their time, I was able to locate almost all of my family.

The reason - I just turned 47, at that age you start to wonder what type
of medical problems can crop up because of parentage or other reasons.
Did my mother or father drop dead because of a massive heart attack at
age 50? Do one or both have a history of cancer? Should I start annual
screening for some mystery health problem?

I like to think I don't need counseling for those reasons. My guess is
you are under age 25. Am I correct? The world looks like a different
place at that age. Or you didn't grow up.

As it turned out, most of my "new family" are real nice people and I
have meet a few. There are also 'fruit cakes'! But I am ever so grate
full for these people that assisted me and helped to enrich my life.

Bruce Galloway

Jackie wrote: On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote:Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I amwilling to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstickwho said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person andno hard feelings. Please join my group athttp://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoptionIf i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join nowand maybe one of our new angles can find for you.Bernice A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy? Do you realize the amount of power you have over the person new to searching? Do you ever wonder if you are abusing that power? Jackie

in article 3f95e743_1@newsfeed.slurp.net, Bruce Galloway at
galloway@cit-tele.com wrote on 23/10/03 3:11 am:
I, obviously don't know the reasons why you and others want to trash ALIA or the moderator, but your way out of line telling me I need therapy!

Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.

that's just ignorant and it looks to me like you have way too much time on your hands.


I think you have the picture.

Find something to do except stick your nose in others business.


But Jackie specialises in deciding who should be allowed to meet with who
within in a reunited family, that's an essential part of a birthmother's
prerogative according to Jackie. After all; ' What if the adult adoptee is
nuts? What if the adult adoptee is a needy child who has never grown up?'

I started my search in mid july. One of the first sites I posted to was ALIA. Along with many other FREE sites available because someone in volunteering their time, I was able to locate almost all of my family.
The reason - I just turned 47, at that age you start to wonder what type of medical problems can crop up because of parentage or other reasons. Did my mother or father drop dead because of a massive heart attack at age 50? Do one or both have a history of cancer? Should I start annual screening for some mystery health problem?
I like to think I don't need counseling for those reasons.


You probably don't need counselling in the sense of psychotherapeutic
counselling, only you yourself or a mental health professional can decide
that. The very idea that everyone in your position must have "therapy" (i.e.
psychotherapy) is purely Jackie's notion based mainly on the fact that no
matter how many times she is told, she is incapable of understanding that
therapy and counselling are not the same thing, or what the difference
between them is.


What someone with some professional integrity might advise you to do is seek
genetic counselling if you discover that there are hereditary health
problems in your natural family. And that would be very good advice which
you may not get from a "Search Angel"

My guess is you are under age 25. Am I correct? The world looks like a different place at that age. Or you didn't grow up.


No, from what she has told us about herself on alt.adoption she is nearer
65. But to paraphrase what Jackie has written there about adoptees; 'What if
the birthmother is nuts? What if the birthmother is a needy child
who has never grown up?'


As it turned out, most of my "new family" are real nice people and I have meet a few.


As is so in 90+ percent of cases. But sometimes there are good reasons to
proceed with care and use an experienced intermediary.

There are also 'fruit cakes'! But I am ever so gratefull for these people that assisted me and helped to enrich my life.


It's the fruitcakes amongst the amateur searchers who are a serious risk to
any progress in achieving open records anywhere in the world, and there have
been a few of those appearing on these two newsgroups over the last few
weeks. I hope they've done no lasting damage.



I hope your reunion continues to be as happy a one as mine has been, for
that to be the case, you have no need to heed the kind of nonsense that
Jackie spouts. But I would advise people to be a bit careful who they
entrust a search to.


Robin

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:11:13 -0400, Bruce Galloway
<galloway@cit-tele.com> wrote:
I, obviously don't know the reasons why you and others want to trashALIA or the moderator, but your way out of line telling me I needtherapy!

I was asking Bernice about how she runs her group.. Out here in the
open..

I was asking her because of this particular letter posted here on
alt.adopton.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl2849210791d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20031012180030.08854.00000152%40mb-m14.aol.com
From: Lipstik43 (lipstik43@aol.com)Subject: Re: Join my cool group Angles Lost in AdoptionView: Complete Thread (80 articles)Original FormatNewsgroups: alt.adoptionDate: 2003-10-12 15:01:14 PST We all told you to go get counseling or somethingbecause of your atitude but youWhatever, I guess anybody that doesn t agree with you or Ruth is referred tocounseling. Rememeber one thing, not everybody had a need for a reunion orrelationship with a bparent. Its just to bad that my opinions weremisunderstood and people were too quick to jump the gun in thinking I wasagainst my bmomma. Funny thing is she turned out to be my aunt who I lovedearly and is now deceased. I ll alway be grateful for what these two women didfor me and how loved I am. When I joined your group my efforts were sincere inthat all I need was medical info referring to diabetes. I was honest andupfront in my motives and was not out to hurt anybody or start trouble.Regardless of what I witnessed there as far as minors or whatever didn t matterbut before you know it there was all kinds of discord and it became bmoms vsamoms, which was not the intention. I stopped posting there weeks ago after myfind.Its too bad Bernice cause your group can be a really good one but to behonest I was flooded with emails from people I didn t even know warning meabout you when I joined your group. I ignored them though cause I wanted tosee for myself. Then I come to this board to post and I read more negativestuff about you, so one can only wonder. Then I find out that your group isbeing investigated after speaking with a personal freind and I honestly wasgoing to quit ALIA because I want no part of illegal activities. Well anyhow Iwish you all the best for whatever problems your group inccurs. I guesseverything worked out for the best. Just one thing please be careful beause itpretty obvious that you are not well like and there are some that do want tosee trouble come your way and thats too bad. Possibly your motives are good inwanting to help people but yyou cannot continue to hurt people in the process.Post a follow-up to this message--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:11:13 -0400, Bruce Galloway
<galloway@cit-tele.com> wrote:
I, obviously don't know the reasons why you and others want to trashALIA or the moderator, but your way out of line telling me I needtherapy! that's just ignorant and it looks to me like you have way toomuch time on your hands. Find something to do except stick your nose inothers business.I started my search in mid july. One of the first sites I posted to wasALIA. Along with many other FREE sites available because someone involunteering their time, I was able to locate almost all of my family.The reason - I just turned 47, at that age you start to wonder what typeof medical problems can crop up because of parentage or other reasons.Did my mother or father drop dead because of a massive heart attack atage 50? Do one or both have a history of cancer? Should I start annualscreening for some mystery health problem?I like to think I don't need counseling for those reasons. My guess isyou are under age 25. Am I correct? The world looks like a differentplace at that age. Or you didn't grow up.As it turned out, most of my "new family" are real nice people and Ihave meet a few. There are also 'fruit cakes'! But I am ever so gratefull for these people that assisted me and helped to enrich my life.Bruce GallowayJackie wrote: On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote:Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I amwilling to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstickwho said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person andno hard feelings. Please join my group athttp://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoptionIf i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join nowand maybe one of our new angles can find for you.Bernice A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy? Do you realize the amount of power you have over the person new to searching? Do you ever wonder if you are abusing that power? Jackie

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:25:33 +0100, Robin Harritt <nospam@harritt.net>
wrote:
in article qk6epvkud6ls6n0966e89aovtehdvp55qt@4ax.com, Jackie atjdajda@newsguy.com wrote on 23/10/03 1:13 am: On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote: Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and no hard feelings. Please join my group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now and maybe one of our new angles can find for you. Bernice A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy?Why would or should someone who is not mental health professional, betelling anyone that they need "therapy" for any reason, Jackie?


I agree Robin..

What scares me is that these folks are using searching as a power over
someone who is very needy..


Jackie

>Subject: Re: Is it safe to come out now?From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 10/23/03 8:57 AM Mountain Daylight TimeMessage-id: <q3qfpv4vp5ujs5bp7fq5kgnfc5jh5mmolo@4ax.com>On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:25:33 +0100, Robin Harritt <nospam@harritt.net>wrote:in article qk6epvkud6ls6n0966e89aovtehdvp55qt@4ax.com, Jackie atjdajda@newsguy.com wrote on 23/10/03 1:13 am: On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote:> Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am> willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick> who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and> no hard feelings. Please join my group at>> http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption>> If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now> and maybe one of our new angles can find for you.>> Bernice A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy?Why would or should someone who is not mental health professional, betelling anyone that they need "therapy" for any reason, Jackie?I agree Robin..What scares me is that these folks are using searching as a power oversomeone who is very needy..Jackie

Gotta agree with you there, if Lipstick, et al are to be believed.

>Gotta agree with you there, if Lipstick, et al are to be believed.

Trust me I have absolutly no reason to lie, I have the posts to prove it. Also
if you go back a couple of weeks Bernice herself admitted it on one of these
posts.

>Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.

Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I don t
think Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she was
asking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t agree
with why they weres searching

in article 20031023133504.22392.00000003@mb-m02.aol.com, Lipstik43 at
lipstik43@aol.com wrote on 23/10/03 6:35 pm:
Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is. Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I don t think Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she was asking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t agree with why they weres searching

You may well be right, Jackie is inclined to change her mind about things
without telling anyone, usually dependant on the latest thing she has read
or possibly misread somewhere. I was rather assuming Jackie supported the
idea of adopted people having therapy / counselling because that is what she
was saying elsewhere, in her "What if the adult adoptee is nuts? What if
the adult adoptee is a needy child who has never grown up?" argument.

It's an argument that governments use when granting access to records only
on the basis that an adoptees have counseling. But I'm not aware of any
government ever requiring "therapy".

Robin

>I, obviously don't know the reasons why you and others want to trashALIA or the moderator, but your way out of line telling me I needtherapy!

You obviously don t know what was done to me at ALIA. I joined the group for
the same reason as you.(I m also 47 lol). I was desperate for medical history.
Both Ruth Top Mod and Bernice Her Largeness told me I needed therapy because I
was searching for the wrong reasons. Nobody is in any way implying that you
need therapy. You must have gotten lucky and had Babbs or Pam help you

>Subject: Re: Is it safe to come out now?From: Robin alt.adoption@nowhere.nowhereDate: 10/23/03 10:46 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <BBBDD28E.25906%alt.adoption@nowhere.nowhere>
You may well be right, Jackie is inclined to change her mind about thingswithout telling anyone, usually dependant on the latest thing she has read

or possibly misread somewhere.

How succinct. LOL!




Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 22:11:13 -0400, Bruce Galloway
<galloway@cit-tele.com> wrote:
I, obviously don't know the reasons why you and others want to trashALIA or the moderator,

Me neither.
but your way out of line telling me I needtherapy!

That's not what was said, in fact as far as I could tell, she said the
exact opposite. She was questioning whether this board *would* tell a
an adoptee something like that. That she did *not* believe in telling
people that searching solely for med reasons meant they needed
therapy. I could be wrong... dunno. I'm sure she'll let me know.
that's just ignorant and it looks to me like you have way toomuch time on your hands.

Same back atcha!
Find something to do except stick your nose inothers business.

Bring your business to alt.adoption, ya takes your chances.
I started my search in mid july. One of the first sites I posted to wasALIA. Along with many other FREE sites available because someone involunteering their time, I was able to locate almost all of my family.

Excellent! Congratulations.
The reason - I just turned 47, at that age you start to wonder what typeof medical problems can crop up because of parentage or other reasons.Did my mother or father drop dead because of a massive heart attack atage 50? Do one or both have a history of cancer? Should I start annualscreening for some mystery health problem?
I like to think I don't need counseling for those reasons.

Not for those reasons, no.
My guess is you are under age 25.

Who? Jackie? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.
Am I correct?

Nope.
The world looks like a different place at that age. Or you didn't grow up.

Have you ever noticed how people who failed to mature themselves are
always saying things to others about how others didn't grow up.
Projection is interesting.
As it turned out, most of my "new family" are real nice people and Ihave meet a few.

Cool.
There are also 'fruit cakes'!

Every family has some of those.
But I am ever so grate full for these people that assisted me and helped to enrich my life.

That's nice.
Bruce Galloway

Bruce, I re-read the post below in its entirety, and I really think
that you are having an Emily Latella moment. Please re-read it
yourself and see.

GRJackie wrote: On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote:Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I amwilling to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstickwho said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person andno hard feelings. Please join my group athttp://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoptionIf i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join nowand maybe one of our new angles can find for you.Bernice A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy? Do you realize the amount of power you have over the person new to searching? Do you ever wonder if you are abusing that power? Jackie

On 23 Oct 2003 17:35:04 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:
Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I don tthink Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she wasasking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t agreewith why they weres searching

Robin has a thing for me Lipstik.. Pay it no mind..
Not part of this current discussion..


Jackie

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:26:34 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:
My guess is you are under age 25.Who? Jackie? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.

Awe common GR I was enjoying that one..
Am I correct?Nope.

Hey I'm a senior citizen now..
The world looks like a different place at that age. Or you didn't grow up.Have you ever noticed how people who failed to mature themselves arealways saying things to others about how others didn't grow up.Projection is interesting.

I never grew up.. Never..
As it turned out, most of my "new family" are real nice people and Ihave meet a few.Cool.There are also 'fruit cakes'!Every family has some of those.But I am ever so grate full for these people that assisted me and helped to enrich my life.That's nice.Bruce GallowayBruce, I re-read the post below in its entirety, and I really thinkthat you are having an Emily Latella moment. Please re-read ityourself and see.

Maybe he has a thing for me too..

Ah youth...


JackieGRJackie wrote: On 21 Oct 2003 15:25:15 -0700, berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann) wrote:>Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am>willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick>who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and>no hard feelings. Please join my group at>>http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption>>If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now>and maybe one of our new angles can find for you.>>Bernice A few questions Bernice.. Do you (or your group) decide on what is a good (or bad) reason to search? Is a newcomer told that if they are searching for medical reasons they are in need of therapy? Do you realize the amount of power you have over the person new to searching? Do you ever wonder if you are abusing that power? Jackie

On 23 Oct 2003 17:35:04 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:

Someone snarked:Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.

Lipstick wrote:Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I don tthink Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she wasasking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t agreewith why they weres searching

That was my interpretation also.

GR

In article <7fbipv4gb6sovn7jujtvvbo8r4smr19mo8@4ax.com>, Jackie
<jdajda@newsguy.com> writes:
I never grew up.. Never..

You read it here folks.

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:46:47 -0400, Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:26:34 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:My guess is you are under age 25.Who? Jackie? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha.Awe common GR I was enjoying that one..

Yeah, it was pretty funny, but you know me.... Insta-*****.
Am I correct?Nope.Hey I'm a senior citizen now..

No no no NO. You're a girl of 25, and don't you forget it!
The world looks like a different place at that age. Or you didn't grow up.Have you ever noticed how people who failed to mature themselves arealways saying things to others about how others didn't grow up.Projection is interesting.I never grew up.. Never..

Jackie, no one ever really does. It's just a matter of forcing
yourself to pretend to be a responsible adult. hehehe
As it turned out, most of my "new family" are real nice people and Ihave meet a few.Cool.There are also 'fruit cakes'!Every family has some of those.But I am ever so grate full for these people that assisted me and helped to enrich my life.That's nice.Bruce GallowayBruce, I re-read the post below in its entirety, and I really thinkthat you are having an Emily Latella moment. Please re-read ityourself and see.Maybe he has a thing for me too..

Well, that's only because he thinks you're a 25 year old babe.
Ah youth...

Yep.

Bernice, you would do the whole adoption community a really big favor by
never posting to alt.adoption.searching again!

Your posts are border line psychopathic and saying you are a 'searcher'
in charge of a group is really hurting the reputations of 'real'
searchers let alone scaring the living **** out of any folks that might
come here want to do a search.

Reality check Please!

These are world wide newsgroups, not your own 'private' 'boards' or
anyone's 'boards'.

You cannot have them 'shut down' no matter who the hell you think you
know! This is Usenet!

Totally different than your private group that 'should' be shut down for
illegally stalking/contacting adoptive moms and minor children.

You are so off the wall, I can't even believe you are real.

I figure you are someone who wants closed records, so goes on an 'insane
labile' trip on the internet to back up your views to get any
politicians reading these groups ammunition about the 'freaks' that are
looking for, or even worse searching for, birth parents.

If a politician is asked to vote on a bill and has no info on the
subject, he/she will check the internet and they will find these two
newsgroups. He/she will then make their decision on that information.

The WHOLE WORLD is reading your posts! And they are Saved Forever in
databases like Google and others!

Remember that !

Mike

Bernice Ann wrote: Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and no hard feelings. Please join my group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now and maybe one of our new angles can find for you. Bernice

LOL!

This message bounced.

Even a fake email address too eh?

Point made.

Jerk!

Mike

Mike Romain wrote: Bernice, you would do the whole adoption community a really big favor by never posting to alt.adoption.searching again! Your posts are border line psychopathic and saying you are a 'searcher' in charge of a group is really hurting the reputations of 'real' searchers let alone scaring the living **** out of any folks that might come here want to do a search. Reality check Please! These are world wide newsgroups, not your own 'private' 'boards' or anyone's 'boards'. You cannot have them 'shut down' no matter who the hell you think you know! This is Usenet! Totally different than your private group that 'should' be shut down for illegally stalking/contacting adoptive moms and minor children. You are so off the wall, I can't even believe you are real. I figure you are someone who wants closed records, so goes on an 'insane labile' trip on the internet to back up your views to get any politicians reading these groups ammunition about the 'freaks' that are looking for, or even worse searching for, birth parents. If a politician is asked to vote on a bill and has no info on the subject, he/she will check the internet and they will find these two newsgroups. He/she will then make their decision on that information. The WHOLE WORLD is reading your posts! And they are Saved Forever in databases like Google and others! Remember that ! Mike Bernice Ann wrote: Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and no hard feelings. Please join my group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now and maybe one of our new angles can find for you. Bernice

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:11:36 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:
I never grew up.. Never..Jackie, no one ever really does. It's just a matter of forcingyourself to pretend to be a responsible adult. hehehe


I hate that one.


Jackie

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:48:46 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 17:35:04 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:Someone snarked:Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.Lipstick wrote:Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I don tthink Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she wasasking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t agreewith why they weres searchingThat was my interpretation also.GR



Ah reality....


Jackie

"Jackie" <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:j4bipvcqgg5mgadree87lhff1t3tqr5kq8@4ax.com... On 23 Oct 2003 17:35:04 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I
don tthink Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she
wasasking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t
agreewith why they weres searching Robin has a thing for me Lipstik.. Pay it no mind.. Not part of this current discussion..

HEY Robin - I didn't know that you were into makeup! You might buy your own,
though - it's not very hygienic to use Jackie's! <s>

Helen
Jackie

>Subject: Re: Is it safe to come out now?From: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 10/24/03 7:46 AM Pacific Daylight TimeMessage-id: <j4bipvcqgg5mgadree87lhff1t3tqr5kq8@4ax.com>On 23 Oct 2003 17:35:04 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is.Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I dontthink Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she wasasking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn tagreewith why they weres searchingRobin has a thing for me Lipstik.. Pay it no mind..Not part of this current discussion..Jackie

No, the current discussion, future discussion, past discussion is that no one
has a thing for you but you....Get it staight.


Once you realize that, you might try to listen to what other people involved in
the triad have to say....................
...

Or is .. the only language that you are willing to understand, old hateful
Jackie?



Kathy
"To err is human; to forgive, divine."

in article %kwmb.2491$bD.11382@news.indigo.ie, helicon at helicon@eircom.net
wrote on 25/10/03 4:03 pm:
"Jackie" <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:j4bipvcqgg5mgadree87lhff1t3tqr5kq8@4ax.com... On 23 Oct 2003 17:35:04 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:> Well it would be if Jackie had the faintest clue what "therapy" is. Hold on here for a minute. I think this had been misunderstood here. I don t think Jackie was saying anyone needed therapy or counseling. Rather she was asking Bernice if she was refferring people to counseling if she didn t agree with why they weres searching Robin has a thing for me Lipstik.. Pay it no mind.. Not part of this current discussion.. HEY Robin - I didn't know that you were into makeup! You might buy your own, though - it's not very hygienic to use Jackie's! <s> Helen

No, never lipstick , my amom used to put blusher on my cheeks when the
adoption social worker was due to visit, because she thought I looked
pallid, but I don't think it had any long-term effects.

Young kids who'd been in children's homes often did look pale because no one
had ever taken them outside. I can remember when I first arrived at the farm
I kept running back indoors when ever taken outside because my eyes hurt. My
amom just kept saying "my you're hothouse plant aren't you" a dragging me
back outside until I got used to it. Strange the things we remember from so
many years ago, when prompted.

Robin

Mike-

If you feel the need to reach Bernice she has MANY email addy's that
are also on her list too. Try reaching her at: GoosyLucy4u@yahoo.com
or OldManBoston@yahoo.com or even Carp1com@yahoo.com...that is, if you
REALLY want to reach her. She doesn't respond to emails questioning
her of her "expertise" in running lists.

Don't worry, Her Largeness and Top Mod have lost the little tiny
credilbility that they had, except for a few "unknowing" new members
who have perhaps joined out of curiosity. Bernice no longer RUNS all
of her lists, she has left that to Top Mod who has been doing a good
job of kicking/banning. Her group has lost close to 300 members since
her tactics have been aired on these newsgroups. Thankfully, there
are forums where folks can speak candidly and truthfully, unmoderated
so that the true facts can be known about Bernice's group and how they
are hurting open records.

You recall the minor search that was done on Bernice's group by a
dimwitted unsuspecting woman who made contact at the request of the
"Grandmother" who was looking for her minor grandchildren, out of
four, only the oldest was age 18. The unsuspecting woman who made the
contact in FL for this grandmother is now being investigated.
Meanwhile, "Grandma Virginia "Gini" LaBaff" has turned up on another
Yahoo group of idiots "Finding-In-Florida" where she is AGAIN trying
to find someone to go to the house again to contact her
grandson...never mind the fact that three minor children are at that
house. Anyone who has brought this to the group owner's attention is
promptly kicked from the list. Afterall, can't have any "squabbles"
on the group.

It is group's like ALIA and Finding-In-Florida that are
shutting/sealing records down. These groups need to be taken down
and/or stopped.


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:49:24 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
Bernice, you would do the whole adoption community a really big favor bynever posting to alt.adoption.searching again!Your posts are border line psychopathic and saying you are a 'searcher'in charge of a group is really hurting the reputations of 'real'searchers let alone scaring the living **** out of any folks that mightcome here want to do a search.Reality check Please!These are world wide newsgroups, not your own 'private' 'boards' oranyone's 'boards'.You cannot have them 'shut down' no matter who the hell you think youknow! This is Usenet!Totally different than your private group that 'should' be shut down forillegally stalking/contacting adoptive moms and minor children.You are so off the wall, I can't even believe you are real.I figure you are someone who wants closed records, so goes on an 'insanelabile' trip on the internet to back up your views to get anypoliticians reading these groups ammunition about the 'freaks' that arelooking for, or even worse searching for, birth parents.If a politician is asked to vote on a bill and has no info on thesubject, he/she will check the internet and they will find these twonewsgroups. He/she will then make their decision on that information.The WHOLE WORLD is reading your posts! And they are Saved Forever indatabases like Google and others!Remember that !MikeBernice Ann wrote: Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and no hard feelings. Please join my group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now and maybe one of our new angles can find for you. Bernice

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:44:24 -0400, Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:11:36 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:I never grew up.. Never..Jackie, no one ever really does. It's just a matter of forcingyourself to pretend to be a responsible adult. heheheI hate that one.

Eh. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. The house, car, travel,
autonomy and disposable income make it a lot more palatable.

Ahem.

GR

>It is group's like ALIA and Finding-In-Florida that areshutting/sealing records down. These groups need to be taken downand/or stopped.

This is so very true. ALIA moderated my post when they (Her Largeness and Top
Mod) when I made mention that stalking ,harassing and minor searches were
illegal .I know that Grandma Gini is out there recruiting wannabe "search
angles" to do her dirty work, but I m sure Janine Lay knew exactly what she was
doing and was aware that this was not right. She bragged about how she went to
Walgreens to buy candy in case she would be out there stalking in front of the
amommas house for a long time. Janine also bought a disposable camera so she
had ample time to think this out. IMHO anyone who is stupid enough to be
baited by Grandma Gini deserves whatever punishment they get.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:57:27 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:44:24 -0400, Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com>wrote:On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:11:36 GMT, GR <gragain@earthlink.net> wrote:>I never grew up.. Never..Jackie, no one ever really does. It's just a matter of forcingyourself to pretend to be a responsible adult. heheheI hate that one.Eh. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. The house, car, travel,autonomy and disposable income make it a lot more palatable.Ahem.GR


Ya but adults can't pick fights with the schoolyard bullies..


Jackie

lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote in message news:<20031027102044.22540.00000128@mb-m18.aol.com>...It is group's like ALIA and Finding-In-Florida that areshutting/sealing records down. These groups need to be taken downand/or stopped. This is so very true. ALIA moderated my post when they (Her Largeness and Top Mod) when I made mention that stalking ,harassing and minor searches were illegal .I know that Grandma Gini is out there recruiting wannabe "search angles" to do her dirty work, but I m sure Janine Lay knew exactly what she was doing and was aware that this was not right. She bragged about how she went to Walgreens to buy candy in case she would be out there stalking in front of the amommas house for a long time. Janine also bought a disposable camera so she had ample time to think this out. IMHO anyone who is stupid enough to be baited by Grandma Gini deserves whatever punishment they get.

Yeah and haven`t you tried to join numberous groups by going by
another name also. Downtowndiva,aka lipstik43, and a
Bostontrophygirl??? Aka Dia????

justsomeone_whoknowsu

In article <3F999E64.B1F2BA40@sympatico.ca>, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
illegally stalking/contacting adoptive moms and minor children.

I wonder if you could point me to the specific law that criminalizes searching
for minor adoptees?

Thanks.

whoever
-------------------------
coffee in advance

In article <20031027102044.22540.00000128@mb-m18.aol.com>, lipstik43@aol.com
(Lipstik43) wrote:
I made mention that stalking ,harassing and minor searches wereillegal .

Can you please cite exactly which law makes minor searches illegal?

whoever
-------------------------------
going out for coffee while I wait

In article <aedb152f9e66b6073e556f692d9b0617@news.teranews.com>,
GoAway@yahoo.com (Little Innocent One) wrote:
You recall the minor search that was done on Bernice's group [...].The unsuspecting woman who made the contact in FL for thisgrandmother is now being investigated.

Hey, none of you people on the other newsgroup ever answered my question
regarding exactly which Florida law forbids searching for minors. How come?

whoever
-------------------------
coffee miner

>> >It is group's like ALIA and Finding-In-Florida that areshutting/sealing records down. These groups need to be taken downand/or stopped.
Hey numbnuts if you know so much
you would know I have already found my bmomma without a group. I don t do
groups. After the horror of ALIA you really have to be brain dead to think I
would jin any group(I m sure there are good groups) Obviously you can t be too
bright if your hiding behind a yahoo id wanting to support ALIA. Thats been
done before by others so I m not impressed. If you claim that you know so
much about why not call me on the phone and we can go out and grab a cup of
coffee. Oh wait a minute not only are you dumb but you got no balls. Do
yourself a favor, go back in your hole and keep dreaming of the freinds you
wish you had.

>Can you please cite exactly which law makes minor searches illegal

I m no lawyer nor do I ever claim to be any type of expert so I can cite any
laws. But I can tell you that after speaking with some reputable searchers,
you know the kind people actually pay for, the ones with licenses, they told me
straight away that did not search for minors. It appears that you are quite
persistant in know which laws are which, so I have an idea that may help
satisfy your desire to know. Why not get in touch with Grandma Gini and offer
to find her minor grandchildren. It seems only too logical to do this.
Hopefuly you will get arrested, go before a judge to answer to the charges and
you can then ask him. I would imagine that a judge would be in a far better
position to provide you with any laws you want to know about, especially the
ones on minor searches. Then you can come here and cite them for all to see
and you will know firsthand that your information is accurate. I shouldn t be
too hard to find Grandma Gini shes out there on the prowl recruiting anyone
willing to help. You may want to get a hold of Janine Lay too, while your at
it, she is a champion at stalking. Make sure to tell Janine to stop off at
Dunkin Donut to grab a large thermos of coffee before she goes to Walgreens for
some disposable cameras and candy incase your out there for a while. Hope you
get your answer soon. Sounds like a great plan I ll be waiting to hear how
things go.

in article 20031028085426.12291.00000359@mb-m01.aol.com, Lipstik43 at
lipstik43@aol.com wrote on 28/10/03 1:54 pm:
Can you please cite exactly which law makes minor searches illegal
I m no lawyer nor do I ever claim to be any type of expert so I can cite any laws. But I can tell you that after speaking with some reputable searchers, you know the kind people actually pay for, the ones with licenses, they told me straight away that did not search for minors.


And you don't reckon that might just be because they have some professional
integrity rather than because of any specific law preventing them from doing
so? Of course if a bunch of amateur searchers start making a habit of
searching for minors, then there no doubt soon will be a law to stop anyone
from doing so. Rarely, there just might be a damn good reason why a search
for a minor is the right thing to do. But this bunch of dingbats will have
made pretty danm sure that it is no longer possible. Which is how things
seem to be going here.


It appears that you are quite persistant in know which laws are which, so I have an idea that may help satisfy your desire to know. Why not get in touch with Grandma Gini and offer to find her minor grandchildren. It seems only too logical to do this. Hopefuly you will get arrested, go before a judge to answer to the charges and you can then ask him.


What, even if there isn't a specific law that makes searching for a minor
adoptee a crime? What usually is a crime, is finding someone and then making
a total nuisance of yourself. It's called harassment, but laws against
harassment usually only operate after the fact.

I would imagine that a judge would be in a far better position to provide you with any laws you want to know about, especially the ones on minor searches.

Searches for a minor adoptee you mean? Rather than for a minor child in
general, or indeed a search that is not minor in the sense of being 'of
lesser importance' or 'lesser seriousness or danger' or 'limited in size or
scope'?
Then you can come here and cite them for all to see and you will know firsthand that your information is accurate. I shouldn t be too hard to find Grandma Gini shes out there on the prowl recruiting anyone willing to help. You may want to get a hold of Janine Lay too, while your at it, she is a champion at stalking.

Ahh well 'storking' is a different thing to searching for, wouldn't surprise
me at all if there is a specific law against that.
Make sure to tell Janine to stop off at Dunkin Donut to grab a large thermos of coffee

No, I don't think Fiend would want to be having coffee out of a Thermos,
there'll have to be some sort of portable arrangements for making fresh
coffee.
before she goes to Walgreens for some disposable cameras and candy incase your out there for a while. Hope you get your answer soon. Sounds like a great plan I ll be waiting to hear how things go.


I reckon if there were any specific law against searching for minor children
or minor adoptees, someone would have cited them by now. But there you go
I'm a long way from Florida, I could be wrong.


Robin

"Robin" <alt.adoption@nowhere.nowhere> wrote in message
news:BBC43116.261B3%alt.adoption@nowhere.nowhere.. . in article 20031028085426.12291.00000359@mb-m01.aol.com, Lipstik43 at lipstik43@aol.com wrote on 28/10/03 1:54 pm: Can you please cite exactly which law makes minor searches illegal I m no lawyer nor do I ever claim to be any type of expert so I can cite
any laws. But I can tell you that after speaking with some reputable
searchers, you know the kind people actually pay for, the ones with licenses, they
told me straight away that did not search for minors. And you don't reckon that might just be because they have some
professional integrity rather than because of any specific law preventing them from
doing so?

That's it. There are no laws, but professionals don't cotton to it. Of
course, some riled up adopters might charge a searcher with a civil suit.


Of course if a bunch of amateur searchers start making a habit of searching for minors, then there no doubt soon will be a law to stop
anyone from doing so. Rarely, there just might be a damn good reason why a search for a minor is the right thing to do. But this bunch of dingbats will have made pretty danm sure that it is no longer possible. Which is how things seem to be going here.

They're extremely dangerous. I don't know why anybody would get entangled
with a "search angle" without some very strong recommendations and
references at least. They have no self-regulatory agency or standard of
ethics. As they say, you get what you pay for, and what do you pay a
"search angle'? It's possible to get some information from them--looks ups,
for instance, but someone in search should never put the actual search and
contact into their hands. Professional searches, have accountability and a
paycheck to regulate them and they do whatever the client wants them to and
let the client control the case, not some whack-job mommie sitting at home
in front of Web TV. I will also add that there are some very good volunteer
searchers (NOT "search angles") attached to well-established support groups,
but as with the pros, they let the client control the process. It appears that you are quite persistant in know which laws are which,
so I have an idea that may help satisfy your desire to know. Why not get in
touch with Grandma Gini and offer to find her minor grandchildren. It seems
only too logical to do this. Hopefuly you will get arrested, go before a
judge to answer to the charges and you can then ask him. What, even if there isn't a specific law that makes searching for a minor adoptee a crime? What usually is a crime, is finding someone and then
making a total nuisance of yourself. It's called harassment, but laws against harassment usually only operate after the fact.

Exactly. On both sides of the Atlantic.

Marley

In article <20031028085426.12291.00000359@mb-m01.aol.com>, lipstik43@aol.com
(Lipstik43) wrote:

(I wrote:)Can you please cite exactly which law makes minor searches illegalI m no lawyer nor do I ever claim to be any type of expert so I can citeany laws.

Is it safe to assume you meant to type "can't cite any laws"?
But I can tell you that after speaking with some reputable searchers,you know the kind people actually pay for, the ones with licenses, theytold me straight away that did not search for minors.

Yes, that would be a matter of personal conscience, professional ethics, and
avoidance of liability.
It appears that you are quite persistant

I usually am when I feel I'm being ignored. So, apparently, are you, as I see
you post here day after day in spite of the fact that no one here gives enough
of a **** about your petty quarrels to reply.
I have an idea that may helpsatisfy your desire to know. Why not get in touch with Grandma Gini andoffer to find her minor grandchildren. It seems only too logical to do this.Hopefuly you will get arrested, go before a judge to answer to the chargesand you can then ask him.

That's far too complicated for me, but thanks so much for the helpful
suggestion. It'd be much simpler if you'd just answer my question.
I would imagine that a judge would be in a far betterposition to provide you with any laws you want to know about,

Well hey! Guess what? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT TOO. And since we agree so far,
perhaps we can agree further that people who aren't judges or lawyers and don't
know the law shouldn't be going around proclaiming things to be illegal! How
does that sound to you?
Then you can come here and cite them for all to seeand you will know firsthand that your information is accurate.

But I never said anything was illegal or legal (though I can see from your
knee-jerk reaction that you believe I did) and so I have nothing to prove. I
merely asked a question, which you're unable to answer. You're the ones who
claim certain acts are illegal, so shouldn't you be prepared to cite the law?
[snip unlettered ranting]
Hope you get your answer soon. Sounds like a great plan I ll be waitingto hear how things go.

I'm not going to get an answer from you bunch of nuts, dilettantes, and
wankers. That was my point.

Now run along and give legal advice someplace where your qualifications won't
be questioned, why don't you. And buy an apostrophe.

whoever
------------------------------
coffee advisor

in article 3409d905.0310271514.e009650@posting.google.com,
justsomeone_whoknowsu at justsomeone_whoknowsu@yahoo.com wrote on 27/10/03
11:14 pm:

Yeah and haven`t you tried to join numberous groups by going by another name also. Downtowndiva,aka lipstik43, and a Bostontrophygirl??? Aka Dia????

What's a bostontrophy, is it something similar to a lobotomy?

Robin

>why don't you. And buy an apostrophe.

Que? is that anything like buying an espresso? LOL

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:30:02 -0500, Jackie <jdajda@newsguy.com>
wrote:

<snip>

I wrote:>Jackie, no one ever really does. It's just a matter of forcing>yourself to pretend to be a responsible adult. hehehe
Jackie wrote:I hate that one.Eh. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. The house, car, travel,autonomy and disposable income make it a lot more palatable.Ahem.GRYa but adults can't pick fights with the schoolyard bullies..

Wanna bet? lol

GR

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:27:40 +0000, Robin
<alt.adoption@nowhere.nowhere> wrote:
in article 3409d905.0310271514.e009650@posting.google.com,jus tsomeone_whoknowsu at justsomeone_whoknowsu@yahoo.com wrote on 27/10/0311:14 pm: Yeah and haven`t you tried to join numberous groups by going by another name also. Downtowndiva,aka lipstik43, and a Bostontrophygirl??? Aka Dia????What's a bostontrophy, is it something similar to a lobotomy?Robin

LOL

It depends on the individual Bostonian, of course.

GR

On 28 Oct 2003 13:54:26 GMT, lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43) wrote:

fiend wrote:Can you please cite exactly which law makes minor searches illegal

Lipstik43 foolishly responded thusly:I m no lawyer nor do I ever claim to be any type of expert so I can cite anylaws. But I can tell you that after speaking with some reputable searchers,you know the kind people actually pay for, the ones with licenses, they told mestraight away that did not search for minors. It appears that you are quitepersistant in know which laws are which, so I have an idea that may helpsatisfy your desire to know.

You have a suggestion.......... for fiend. Umm..... okay.
Why not get in touch with Grandma Gini and offerto find her minor grandchildren. It seems only too logical to do this.

Does it? Really? Interesting perspective you've got there, Lipstik.
Hopefuly you will get arrested, go before a judge to answer to the charges andyou can then ask him. I would imagine that a judge would be in a far betterposition to provide you with any laws you want to know about, especially theones on minor searches. Then you can come here and cite them for all to seeand you will know firsthand that your information is accurate.

I'd be willing to bet the farm that fiend already knows this
information, but hey.... what do I know?
I shouldn t betoo hard to find Grandma Gini shes out there on the prowl recruiting anyonewilling to help. You may want to get a hold of Janine Lay too, while your atit, she is a champion at stalking. Make sure to tell Janine to stop off atDunkin Donut to grab a large thermos of coffee before she goes to Walgreens forsome disposable cameras and candy incase your out there for a while.

Well..... the Dunkies is always a good suggestion for fiend
activities, but I dunno about your ideas on the whole.
Hope youget your answer soon. Sounds like a great plan I ll be waiting to hear howthings go.

Yeah, actually I'm hoping fiend answers you soon, regarding your plan,
and I'm anxiously awaiting a big coffee spew when I see how things go.

But you know, I'm just perverse this way.

GR

On 28 Oct 2003 18:03:37 GMT, reveohw@aol.compromise (fiend) wrote:

<snip>


Lipstik wrote:Hope you get your answer soon. Sounds like a great plan I ll be waitingto hear how things go.
I'm not going to get an answer from you bunch of nuts, dilettantes, andwankers. That was my point.Now run along and give legal advice someplace where your qualifications won'tbe questioned, why don't you. And buy an apostrophe.whoever------------------------------coffee advisor

LOLOL Very amusing.

GR

>>Now run along and give legal advice someplace where your qualificationswon'tbe questioned, why don't you. And buy an apostrophe.

LIsten Java Jerk or whoever you are flavor of the day, I done did said I was
not a lawyer or in a position to give legal advice. But against the law or not
its wong. Just a matter of common sense or maybe with all that coffee you
pissed out any sense you may have had. Wow am I supossed to be all impressed
that your diversion (asking for legal proof) would make minor searches ok.

>From: lipstik43@aol.com (Lipstik43)Date: 10/30/2003 6:27 PM Eastern Standard TimeMessage-id: <20031030182718.19589.00000018@mb-m01.aol.com>Now run along and give legal advice someplace where your qualificationswon'tbe questioned, why don't you. And buy an apostrophe.LIsten Java Jerk or whoever you are flavor of the day, I done did said I wasnot a lawyer or in a position to give legal advice. But against the law ornotits wong. Just a matter of common sense or maybe with all that coffee youpissed out any sense you may have had. Wow am I supossed to be all impressedthat your diversion (asking for legal proof) would make minor searches ok.

You seem like a complete moron. The more you post, the better your "enemies"
look.




kj

>You seem like a complete moron. The more you post, the better your "enemies"look.
I don t know about all that but you must be a real moron to indentify moronic
qualities. I don t care what you or anyone else says or thinks about me cause
to me you are a nobody and its the people that matter to me that count....As
long as it doesn t interfere with my ca$h flow its trivial. You got that, fool?

<top reply>

You know what, Bernice? "AngelsLost.." used to be a great support/search
group. One of the best. REPUTABLE! But I wouldn't touch it today if you paid
me. You've obviously made it into nothing more than a rag I wouldn't even use
to wipe a baby's butt. Geezus Aitch, what a mess! Let it DIE already, will
ya?!?


-posted AND emailed

Subject: Is it safe to come out now?From: berniceacarp@yahoo.com (Bernice Ann)Date: 10/21/2003 2:25 PM Pacific Standard TimeMessage-id: <e6c7cb64.0310211425.170d35b5@posting.google.com>
Everybody thanks for telling others to stop picking on me. I am
willing to have yall join my group ALIA even the peeople like Lipstick
who said rude things just to show you I can be the bigger person and
no hard feelings. Please join my group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/AngelsLostInAdoption
If i already know you, no ap is needed. If you did not find join now
and maybe one of our new angles can find for you.
Bernice