My grandparents on my adads side wanted my adoption, but when he was abusive
they ignored it, when I was disowned they ignored me, (I never did feel like
one of them) amom n her family were nice tho,
maybe grandparents should be involved,, but what boundaries? (incidenty my
bmom says her parents disowned her fer getting pregnant,,,in77???? )
I think grandparents, show proof of their stupidity when the child they
raised, won't listen or makes these bad decisions, but I do believe a minor
should listen to adults, hmmm a stiky wiket,,,,
here I digress, I am prochioce, if it comes outtaya you get the final say,
( unless severe mental retardation, only then should anyone tell a human
what to do, in re: to pregnancy, (IMHO))

This was a good question!! wow,
(oh this argument about coming out of ya,,,also answers the elusive I am a
guy, my sperm, made that its half mine, I want my half, to,,,,,,,,,,,) (once
born than I consider it a human and subject to parentage, but till then if
its in ya, its yers, not to say that the sperm donor gets off free, he
should pay at least half medical bills, food, care, treatments,
classes,,,(at least half no matter what!)
(and no, he can not opt out by pushing a woman into a abortion, that is left
to her discretion ,its in her not him,)
(Ya my version the guy and grandparents have no control when in the womb,
but, I think this is fair)
and I think that this whole thing could be confused with the what if the
grandparents, adopt the kid,,,,,(IEH!!! my head!!is now leaking!!)

(The world according to me)
(why does grandparent custody come up but not the bdad did I miss
something?)


"Jackie" <jdajda@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:26tdfvg45n3d4l500jsjclkb12ksjkg1o5@4ax.com... On 22 Jun 2003 15:26:58 GMT, adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote:Subject: Re: REUNION SPARKS ANGERFrom: Jackie jdajda@newsguy.comDate: 6/22/03 8:16 AM Eastern Daylight TimeMessage-id: <e37bfv0af8mj95tl6le4d4t9r01pnmr89i@4ax.com> < snip >> Well Jackie, would you wish the 16 year old's mother>have absolute custody, even if it was against that birthmother'swishes?> You can't split the baby. Where would you place the *final*authority: the mother or the grandmother?I would place the final authority on the adult in the situation.. Since we're talking about a pregnant minor, I take that to mean you
wouldgrant custody to the baby's grandparents? They could relinquish the
child foradoption over the objections of the pregnant minor (the mother of the
child).Is this what you had in mind? A parent of a minor can stop that child from doing many things. That is what parenting is all about. They are the adults.. So if they think it best that the minor's baby is kept.. I would rather err in the side of caution.. This baby is a member of their family.. This baby is important.. This baby should not be dropped of like a sack of potatoes..Not on the teen or child who can be taken in so very easilyby the incredibly pro aparent adoption laws in the US..Laws that allow her to be separated from her family in a verydevious way.. (money given before the birth) I know... they handled that so much better in the 60's.Laws that allow her to sign the baby away while still coming out ofthe drugs given in delivery.. The laws you proposed wouldn't even require her consent if the mother
was aminor, no matter how drugged up she was. Her parents would be making
thatcall. Parents that love her.. Parents that have her best interest foremost in their minds.Or laws that allow her to sign when she has had no sleepbecause of a long delivery.. Yes. We need more laws to protect the birthmother from her own
stoopidity. Perfect.. Just perfect.. She is bamboozled into signing and you say she is too stupid to tell them to wait a bit.. And we are talking about a minor who is told to respect her elders.. Jackie