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Indy28Lover
10-21-2005, 11:37 AM
This post is to attemt to request financial help from people or to attain legal help on a matter that has just befallen me.

My wife and I have been seperated for almost 2yrs now,finally have gotten legal documents for her to pay child support.
Here is the problem,everytime I call the local office to check status of collection and give them the case number they then respond by assumu=ing since I am male on phone that I am the responsible party. I also have legal forms which list my wifes name in 3 different places,3 different requirements,yet they state latter in the sentence "him" as referring to the name of my wife. This is a biased ready made template set up in a computer !
I disregard this as the system being biased toward men in the wrong way,as I am a single dad of 2 girls,the mother is worthless,social agenda is more important to her. Why should I be treated that way and let these people get away with such biased torture to me? Just because I am a man? Where does it say that child support offices are for women only? Someone has to make these legal bueracrats pay to watch their tongues! :)

Suzy72
10-21-2005, 11:49 AM
I do have to agree with you. We still live in a world where it's believed that the mom is the custodial parent and if she's a NCP then there was obviously a reason that prevented her custody. In your case that may actually be the case but it isn't that way all the time. With that in mind one will ask a NCP mother why she doesn't have custody of her children but you rarely see that same question asked to a NCP father. While my comments may seem like I'm making up or trying to build up mothers, that's not my intention. Even by asking a NCP mother what she has done to prevent custody we (and I don't mean me personally but 'we' as a society) are in a sense asking the same CP father how he was able to get one over on mom. Did that make sense?

My husband has 50/50 with there being no primary parent. Actually that is what is on paper. In reality mom has child 4 days of the month which equals to less than what a standard visitation schedule is, YET, when faced with society issues, we have literally been told to our fact that "XXX (mom's name), the CUSTODIAL parent, must deal with this."

My best advice for you is to search the internet for father's rights groups in your area. You will likely not only get help but also support with this issue.

elklaw
10-21-2005, 10:06 PM
You must remember that you are in Arkansas and as you say, you being male using the system to get child support is not the norm. I suggest that if you are not treated right that you take down names, then ask for the supervisor and their supervisor, etc...until you are treated properly. If you are not, then you have document your mistreatment adequately enough to take to an attorney who can advise you as to whether or not there is a legal action possible for you to pursue. But you may want to change your attitude to being more assertive and tell them you have rights as a father and custodial parent, and want them taken seriously too.

Indy28Lover
10-26-2005, 12:39 PM
I have dealt with these twits for over a year now and have talked to super as to no avail. As for proof I have papers that came from template off the pc at their offices with the gender word "Him" in place after the females name is listed.
I am tired of talking to these people whether here or in NY, someone needs to take a notch outta their belts. :D

Suzy72
10-26-2005, 12:50 PM
I have dealt with these twits for over a year now and have talked to super as to no avail. As for proof I have papers that came from template off the pc at their offices with the gender word "Him" in place after the females name is listed.
I am tired of talking to these people whether here or in NY, someone needs to take a notch outta their belts. :D

I actually thought about you yesterday. I was in CS court and everyone had to sign in so as everyone is in line the lady behind the desk was saying 'What's HIS name' and as I said it made me think of you because it was as if every woman there was the CP.

As we were sitting in court my husband commented that he's seen several woman up as the NCP. I explained to him that statistically women are less apt to pay their child support than a man, however we see and hear about more men b/c the majority of the time they are the ones that are ordered to pay. PLUS, there is the idea that men don't push for their support as much because:

A. Simply put a lot of men just simply want their children.... and
B. They statistically make more money so they 'need' the support less often then women do.

Not to mention women can be very greedy :D

stepmominTX
10-26-2005, 06:31 PM
I so agree with what you wrote....My husband and I pay CS on top of having 50/50 split custody and visitations....we could go to court and get CS reduced or even stopped,based on the change in our visitations. (when the decree was written we had standard visitations as NCP) now that we changed and are doing 50/50 we could make the trip to court. However my husband just wants to see his daughter 50% of the time and have equal decision making power.......For mom (CP) it is all about the money......If for some reason she were to ever have to pay us CS, there would be a warrent out for her, because she simply wouldn't do it.......we have been more merciful and fair with her on the $$ issue, we would never get the same kindness return...she feels like it is owed to her (even though she is only CP in writing, b/c we don't want to court battle to change it)

Suzy72
10-26-2005, 06:40 PM
I so agree with what you wrote....My husband and I pay CS on top of having 50/50 split custody and visitations....we could go to court and get CS reduced or even stopped,based on the change in our visitations. (when the decree was written we had standard visitations as NCP) now that we changed and are doing 50/50 we could make the trip to court. However my husband just wants to see his daughter 50% of the time and have equal decision making power.......For mom (CP) it is all about the money......If for some reason she were to ever have to pay us CS, there would be a warrent out for her, because she simply wouldn't do it.......we have been more merciful and fair with her on the $$ issue, we would never get the same kindness return...she feels like it is owed to her (even though she is only CP in writing, b/c we don't want to court battle to change it)

I hear ya. My husband too has 50/50. When they first divorced even then she made about 80K to his 50K and he could have gotten support but they agreed to none. He's since become disabled and brings in less then 20K and she's making between 80 and 100K. A judge has TOLD my husband to file for support and he doesn't. We live by the fact that they both have equal custody rights.... and I might add that their daughter is here 5 days every week of her mom's time.. so TECHNICALLY mom has about what is equal to standard visitation. I know the mom well enough to know that if she was in our situation she would have JUMPED on support.

After they were in court and the judge told my husband to file. I told her that it wasn't like the judge was telling him something he didn't know. She got very defensive and said she didn't make that much money... so I showed her the CS calculator from Indiana... using HER numbers, and showed her she'd still be paying 80$ a week CS at 50/50. I bet she about flipped when she used it and put in the REAL numbers! With the 'real' numbers at 50/50 mom would be paying well over 100$ a WEEK. We know hubby has that right, we know he'd BY law get it. It's not like we're living off the hog here because I can't work full-time days or evenings because of issues with the custody situation. If I were to do so he'd have to give up his 50/50 custody and that's not an option. So we are one of the families that are just happy that he has custody, even if it is 50/50 on paper.

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