There is a self proclaimed lesbian feminst judge in Cook Co Il. sitting over family law. I would like to know your opinion about this???

Mine, if you care, is...

I could not care less about her being lesbian, I have a few friends who are and find them for the most part to be good people.

I am however deeply disturbed about a feminist being a judge... what the hell are they doing up there? How can a feminist have a non-bias opinion?

Please share your opinion with me....

There is a self proclaimed lesbian feminst judge in Cook Co Il. sitting over family law. I would like to know your opinion about this???

Mine, if you care, is...

I could not care less about her being lesbian, I have a few friends who are and find them for the most part to be good people.

I am however deeply disturbed about a feminist being a judge... what the hell are they doing up there? How can a feminist have a non-bias opinion?

Please share your opinion with me....

It really doesn't matter if a person (particularly a Judge) is a feminist, straight, gay, black, white, hispanic, catholic, non catholic, jewish, agnostic, devil worshipper, or any number of other beliefs. What actually matters is IF that person is a HONEST and FAIR person, they will be able to be non-biased in all decisions/opinions.

This is more so for a Judge, the real question is- does this Judge follow the LAWS, does he/she make court decisions based on the LAWS, the EVIDENCE, and EQUITY? (Family court is a court of "equity). A judge can be anyhting they want or believe in anything they want, it doesn't matter -as long as the judge is honest, law abiding and fair in thier decisions.

IF a Judge is NOT fair, and does NOT follow the laws- every person who appears before him/her that is treated unfairly should file a complaint against the Judge. That is the ONLY way to stop biased Judges.
That's my opinion- borne of years of biased unfair treatment of my husband by family court Judges.
Xena :eek:

Would you feel the same if the judge were a Klu Klux Klan member or a Black supremist? How about if he/she was a NAZI? The definition of a femanist states she is an activist for feminism which quoted from websters is "organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests". I do not see how she could have a unbias opinion when acording to her own admition she is an activist for womens rights and interest. To me the key word is "interests". I know that I am not politicaly correct making the comparison, but these are all special interest groups.

Would you feel the same if the judge were a Klu Klux Klan member or a Black supremist? How about if he/she was a NAZI? The definition of a femanist states she is an activist for feminism which quoted from websters is "organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests". I do not see how she could have a unbias opinion when acording to her own admition she is an activist for womens rights and interest. To me the key word is "interests". I know that I am not politicaly correct making the comparison, but these are all special interest groups.

Yes, my opinion remains the same, what it comes down to is the same- IF a person (Judge) is HONEST, LAW ABIDING, and FAIR- they will be able to make decisions based SOLEY on the laws, evidence, and equity. That is basically the definition of a honest, law abiding and fair person- that person is able to make decisions WITHOUT ALLOWING THIER OWN PARTICULAR BELIEFS TO SWAY OR DICTATE THIER DECISION.

As an example: I am a very honest, fair and law abiding person. When I am answering posts on this and other law message boards, I give answers that are the proper LEGAL answers- even when I disagree with the laws that I'm citing or writing about. I have personally witnessed 2 Judges here in Fl. make decisions that were based solely on the laws and evidence- both of them admitted that they PERSONALLY felt differently, but the law is the law and must be followed. Now those were 2 very honest, law abiding and fair Judges.

I am also painfully aware that there are too many biased Judges who ignore the laws and evidence and will make decisions based on thier own biases and beliefs. THOSE are the Judges that are the problem and they need to be kicked off the bench. The ONLY way to do that though is for the people who have been wronged by these Judges to file complaints and follow through with them. Unfortunately, it takes alot of complaints from different people to get anything done, but it can happen.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that no one should base thier opinion of any particular Judge just on what that Judge's beliefs or interests are. You have to research that Judges opinions and orders to see if they were all made according to laws and evidence.

Although I do agree that a Judge who is involved in extreme "special interests groups" is more likely to be biased, but as I said- a determination cannot be based on that alone.
Xena :)

I see your point, but I just have a hard time believing the this particular one did not work herself into her position as a judge because of her views and to use it as tool to change what she views as injustice to women. I base this on personal experience. And post I have read doing research about her.

I guess she has me a bias opinion as to how i feel about feminist...

I see your point, but I just have a hard time believing the this particular one did not work herself into her position as a judge because of her views and to use it as tool to change what she views as injustice to women. I base this on personal experience. And post I have read doing research about her.

I guess she has me a bias opinion as to how i feel about feminist...

If you've researched her orders and opinions and they aren't according to the laws, etc. then she probably is a biased Judge. If you have been in front of her and she was biased in your case, make sure to file a complaint against her.
Good luck ( and the fact that it's Cook Co. Ill. doesn't surprise me at all, LOL)
Xena :)

I have thought about it but as she is still over the case I am afraid that would put her even more against me...

I would hope that any judge would make fair and honest decisions based on the facts of a case. However, I think that thier own opinions and views are definately figured into any sort of decision that may not be black and white. So I guess I'm saying I do think she'll be biased if the opportunity is there. Don't you watch Law & Order????? :D

I have thought about it but as she is still over the case I am afraid that would put her even more against me...
Have you tried getting the CS case moved to Florida? I know alot of Fl. Judges are biased, but I've heard that the ones in your area are pretty fair.

If you can find enough evidence of this Judge's biased decisions, and if you have evidence of how she treated you unfairly, you may be able to file a motion to request a new Judge hear the case. It's worth a try.
Xena :)

I did not know I could get it moved here... The feminist judge in Il. her name is Nancy J Katz look her up you will see what I am talking about.

I read one article about a case of hers where the husband filed for divorce because his wife was having an afair with another women and Katz said "good for her". Like any man I all for girls kissing, but there is no excuse for infidelity. There is another web site for lesbian and gays that tracks how ofter gay lawyers judges and officials rule in favor and against other gays. They have ratings and she at 100%. THe site is disturbing if you read into it they actualy preach a 0% tolerence for for making ruling's against them. I do not know if is afiliated with the site or not, just that they are very pleased with her.

I did not know I could get it moved here... The feminist judge in Il. her name is Nancy J Katz look her up you will see what I am talking about.

Look up the change of venue rules in Ill. most states allow for a change of venue under "inconvienient forum" rules. Which basically means that it is too difficult for you to get to court in Ill. while holding your job in Fl. If you file under that rule, or a similar rule- do NOT say anything about how you believe the Judge was biased or unfair (even tho it's probably the truth) ;)
Xena

Edit: I don't have time right now, but tommorrow I'll look up the Judge's info- thanks.

XENA,
You seem to have alot of knowledge on the legal system do work in the family law arena?

XENA,
You seem to have alot of knowledge on the legal system do work in the family law arena?

No, I've never worked in any area of law. Before I became disabled, I worked as a home health nurse.

When I met my husband 7 yrs ago, he was paying CS. He stopped paying a year later, which I totally disagreed with. I finally convinced him to start paying again. When he did the CSE agency filed a contempt motion. We both thought that he would go to court, and they would adjust the CS and the amount of arrears because his oldest had turned 18 2 and a half years before. He was sent to jail, and when I found out that they hadn't done any adjustment, I asked the court clerk why. She told me that my husband would have to file a modification, and I purchased a packet of papers for $25.

Due to my husband getting screwed by the court and trying to help him find a way to make the Judges follow the laws over the last 5 1/2 yrs. I have researched the state and federal laws concerning family law. I didn't have a computer until a year ago, so I spent ALOT of time at the courthouse in the law library. I was able to learn alot and I've had 3 lawyers tell me that I probably know as much, or more, about Fl. family law than most attorneys. I've also bee asked why I didn't go into law, I always give the same reason- I don't trust lawyers ;)
Anyway, once I got a computer and got over my "computer phobia" I learned alot more. I'm always still learning, but I really like web sites like this because I can put some of that hard work and knowledge to use helping other people.
Xena :)

I hope your husband is out of jail. I realy apreviate the advice as well. What part of Fl.? I live in Manatee county.

I hope your husband is out of jail. I realy apreviate the advice as well. What part of Fl.? I live in Manatee county.

My husband spent only one day in jail, and the entire time he was in the jail infirmary because his blood pressure was sky high and they were trying to bring it down.

The Judge had found him in contempt and ordered a $600.00 purge or 90 days in jail. He told the judge that he didn't have the $600 so he went to jail. What he didn't know was that I hadn't paid any bills that month because I knew that he would have to pay something in court, and because I knew that his BP would go up and I was worried. The following day, I picked up his paycheck and went and paid the purge to get him out of jail. Some day when I have some time, I'll post the whole story on what my husband and I have been through because of the unlawful and biased actions of Judges and his ex. It's quite complicated and very sad story.

We are in Highlands Co., in Sebring. We share our Judges with Polk Co. and they rotate on a regular basis. Since April 2001 my husband has been to court for modifications, motions, etc. in the CS case 8 times, and never had the same judge twice, which was one of the many problems with his case. I know that I recently read that the state wants to try to stop the Judges from moving around so much, but I personally don't think that will do much good either. The good thing for us is that my husband's kids are all grown and he's only paying off arrears, so soon it will be over for us (I hope).
Xena :)

I am familiar with the area. My first father in law lives in Avon Park and my Brother in Law lives in Sebring. Nice area for fishing!

I think it is rediculous that the are so willing to put a person in jail! That is why I feel it is extorsion! I love to support my family and take care of my children, but when someone threatens to do something to you unless you pay them it extorsion.

Where does the other parent live? If they still live in the original county then it's tough to have an order changed.

I am familiar with the area. My first father in law lives in Avon Park and my Brother in Law lives in Sebring. Nice area for fishing!

I think it is rediculous that the are so willing to put a person in jail! That is why I feel it is extorsion! I love to support my family and take care of my children, but when someone threatens to do something to you unless you pay them it extorsion.

In some cases, putting the NCP in jail accomplishes nothing, in some cases it makes it worse, and in some cases it's actually very fair.

My husband fit into the last one. He had refused to pay support for about 1 year, then they suspended his DL. He still refused to pay for another year. When I finally convinced him to do something he still wasn't paying.

So when he went into court he knew that he was in the wrong, and he admitted to the judge that he could have paid, but just didn't. As strange as this may sound, the Judge was very fair and followed all the laws. The purge was not real high, she allowed my husband to speak in court and she issued an order that was according to the laws.

In my husband's case, being jailed for 1 day was a good thing, because he has paid CS and arrears ever since then. In other words, going to jail turned my husband into a FORMER deadbeat Dad.

I know that some judge's will tell the NCP who has a job that they have 2 weeks to come up with the purge or they will go to jail. I think that's a very good solution. Like you, I think that jailing someone for 3 to 6 months is stupid. By that time the NCP will have lost his/her job, home, etc. Then they expect CS to be paid without a job- that doesn't do a thing to collect CS, it only makes a deadbeat parent angrier and more determined to not pay.
The whole system needs improvement, and maybe someday it will actually happen.
Xena :)

In some cases, putting the NCP in jail accomplishes nothing, in some cases it makes it worse, and in some cases it's actually very fair.

My husband fit into the last one. He had refused to pay support for about 1 year, then they suspended his DL. He still refused to pay for another year. When I finally convinced him to do something he still wasn't paying.

So when he went into court he knew that he was in the wrong, and he admitted to the judge that he could have paid, but just didn't. As strange as this may sound, the Judge was very fair and followed all the laws. The purge was not real high, she allowed my husband to speak in court and she issued an order that was according to the laws.

In my husband's case, being jailed for 1 day was a good thing, because he has paid CS and arrears ever since then. In other words, going to jail turned my husband into a FORMER deadbeat Dad.

I know that some judge's will tell the NCP who has a job that they have 2 weeks to come up with the purge or they will go to jail. I think that's a very good solution. Like you, I think that jailing someone for 3 to 6 months is stupid. By that time the NCP will have lost his/her job, home, etc. Then they expect CS to be paid without a job- that doesn't do a thing to collect CS, it only makes a deadbeat parent angrier and more determined to not pay.
The whole system needs improvement, and maybe someday it will actually happen.
Xena :)
Is there reason he refused to pay? It is hard for me to comprehend someone just not wanting to pay a reasonable amount for thier children.

Where does the other parent live? If they still live in the original county then it's tough to have an order changed.
My Ex lives in Cook county where our divorce was. However we never lived there at all the and she only moved there 2 months before the divorce. She moved the while she was still pregnant and our son was born there. After he was born she filed claiming she had lived there for six months, I told the judge this was not true but like everything else she could not care less what I had to say.

My Ex lives in Cook county where our divorce was. However we never lived there at all the and she only moved there 2 months before the divorce. She moved the while she was still pregnant and our son was born there. After he was born she filed claiming she had lived there for six months, I told the judge this was not true but like everything else she could not care less what I had to say.


If she still lives there it might be tough to have it moved. They might allow it since you are the payor but it just depends on if the county is willing to release jurisdiction.

Is there reason he refused to pay? It is hard for me to comprehend someone just not wanting to pay a reasonable amount for thier children.

It happens every single day. There are parents who won't pay support because they don't believe in it, they don't believe that it goes to the kids so they refuse to pay (not understanding what support is actually for), some simply don't do it because they think they are getting even with the other parent.

My ex refused to pay unless the state found him and then when they did it would only last 3 weeks before he would quit his job. The state tried to serve him every 3 months for 2.5 years and he avoided them. By some miricle he allowed himself to be served less than a month after my children were adopted by their step-father and held accountable for the 25K in arrears he had racked up. The only time he ever contacted the children was when the state would find him. When he wasn't paying, he wasn't contacting despite me sending an 'update' of them every six months or so.

My point is that there are parents all over this country who don't pay the support... for all sorts of reasons.

I realise that there are alot of people who do not spend the support apropriately, in fact I believe most custodial parents do not (I am gona get ripped for that one...lol). Have you ever heard anyone claiming to give back money that was left over after all the expenses were paid? This is why I feel that the whole system is at fault. I still cannot believe a parent feels no obligation to support thier child.

I realise that there are alot of people who do not spend the support apropriately, in fact I believe most custodial parents do not (I am gona get ripped for that one...lol). Have you ever heard anyone claiming to give back money that was left over after all the expenses were paid? This is why I feel that the whole system is at fault. I still cannot believe a parent feels no obligation to support thier child.

You're right.. I have to disagree with you. I am not going to say that there aren't those who don't spend it the way it should, but the MAJORITY of them do and the children are taken care of.

What is YOUR definition of spending support appropriately?

As far as you not believing a parent feels no obligation to support their child.... again, it happens every single day!!

You're right.. I have to disagree with you. I am not going to say that there aren't those who don't spend it the way it should, but the MAJORITY of them do and the children are taken care of.

What is YOUR definition of spending support appropriately?

As far as you not believing a parent feels no obligation to support their child.... again, it happens every single day!!

I understand that that there are those people out there... I just can't understand how they got that way...

Spending support appropriately to me is not an easy thing to do... There is an exact dollar amount it cost to raise a child each month maybee more one and less another. That number should split between both parents, evenly. It should not matter who makes more or less. If one parent feels the need to contribute more then it should be considered a gift. If CP parent feels that it costs more or is not fair then let the other parent raise the child.

A judge is a judge in most cases in spite of the label- who the judge is in their private life usually has nothing to do with who they are on the bench as all judges have certain rules that they have to follow based on the law and their oaths.

I agree to a point, but everyone is alike. We are asuming that these people worked to get where they are for all the right reasons. Some people work there way into a position, to promote thier way of thinking. Like I said I have no beef with her being gay, but the she herself gave the title of feminist. There should be no place in "family" law for a feminist. Look her up there are several columns about her online.