lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori*Burns)
First I wonder how this conversation has been taken totally off course.



- It's a newsgroup! **** happens!


To me it sounds like everyone is negative to the idea of this child
being put up for adoption. For whatever reasons this person has for
putting this child up for adoption is not for us to judge.


- Oh, Lord! Call the Ng Police!


There are reasons unknown to us and honestly it isnt our business. My
suggestion to this person is to contact their local social or childrens
service agency and from there that agency can help.



- Who's "US"? Got a frog in your pocket?

"Carolina Girl" <Donna749@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28826-42FFB47D-437@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net...

lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori Burns)
First I wonder how this conversation has been taken totally off course.



- It's a newsgroup! **** happens!
Speaking from experience I'm sure.


To me it sounds like everyone is negative to the idea of this child
being put up for adoption. For whatever reasons this person has for
putting this child up for adoption is not for us to judge.


- Oh, Lord! Call the Ng Police!
Whats the matter, cant handle the truth?


There are reasons unknown to us and honestly it isnt our business. My
suggestion to this person is to contact their local social or childrens
service agency and from there that agency can help.



- Who's "US"? Got a frog in your pocket?
Everyone reading this posting. I was just wondering if you have ever been in
someone elses shoes, or do you just assume everyone should think like you?

lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori*Burns)
First I wonder how this conversation has been taken totally off course.


Carolina Girl wrote:
**- It's a newsgroup! **** happens!


Ms, Burns vomited:
Speaking from experience I'm sure.

- Well, of course I'm speaking from experience, you jerk!


Carolina Girl wrote:
**- Oh, Lord! Call the Ng Police!


Ms. Burns Spews:
Whats the matter, cant handle the truth?


- Sorry, babe!!! It's you that has the problem here!



Carolina Girl writes:
**- Who's "US"? Got a frog in your pocket?

Ms. Burns, Judge and Juror, sputters:
Everyone reading this posting. I was just wondering if you have ever
been in someone elses shoes, or do you just assume everyone should think
like you?


- Actually I have enough difficulty walking in my OWN shoes to worry
about those that someone else may be wearing. My whole problem with the
adoption of the two year old is not the adoption itself, but the way it
was presented here. And I'm not at all close-minded. I try and see
things from all sides, but obviously, you would know nothing about that
at all.

"Carolina Girl" <Donna749@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18240-42FFDA97-1076@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net...

lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori Burns)
First I wonder how this conversation has been taken totally off course.


Carolina Girl wrote:
- It's a newsgroup! **** happens!


Ms, Burns vomited:
Speaking from experience I'm sure.

- Well, of course I'm speaking from experience, you jerk!
Whats up with the name calling?


Carolina Girl wrote:
- Oh, Lord! Call the Ng Police!


Ms. Burns Spews:
Whats the matter, cant handle the truth?


- Sorry, babe!!! It's you that has the problem here!
No problem here.Seems like you have the problem.



Carolina Girl writes:
- Who's "US"? Got a frog in your pocket?

Ms. Burns, Judge and Juror, sputters:
Everyone reading this posting. I was just wondering if you have ever
been in someone elses shoes, or do you just assume everyone should think
like you?


- Actually I have enough difficulty walking in my OWN shoes to worry
about those that someone else may be wearing. My whole problem with the
adoption of the two year old is not the adoption itself, but the way it
was presented here. And I'm not at all close-minded. I try and see
things from all sides, but obviously, you would know nothing about that
at all.
The way I see it there is more to the story than what is written but
everyone is jumping the gun and criticizing the whole adoption. The way I
look at it is everyone has their own view of the situation but I dont think
it fair to condem someone for putting a child up for adoption.

Maybe not fair to condemn someone for putting a child up for adoption given the fact you are trying to adopt.. But you do not go to a public newsgroup and try to place a child for adoption...

And in my opinion you do not keep the child in you're own home if you are wanting to place that child for adoption. Makes the whole process much harder on the child being placed.....

So I say lets stop the mud sling and move on its obvious this child is going to be place no matter how much we all talk....

lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori*Burns)
"Carolina Girl" <Donna749@webtv.net> ****- Actually I have
enough difficulty walking in my OWN shoes to worry about those that
someone else may be wearing. My whole problem with the adoption of the
two year old is not the adoption itself, but the way it was presented
here. And I'm not at all close-minded. I try and see things from all
sides, but obviously, you would know nothing about that at all.


The way I see it there is more to the story than what is written but
everyone is jumping the gun and criticizing the whole adoption. The way
I look at it is everyone has their own view of the situation but I dont
think it fair to condem someone for putting a child up for adoption.


Like I said earlier, I am not criticizing the adoption itself - only the
way it was presented here.

Of course we all have our own views and we voice them. What kind of
world would this be if we were all the same? Kind of boring, wouldn't
you say?

You don't think it's fair to condemn someone for putting a child up for
adoption, yet you feel free to condemn me for my opinion. I find that
somewhat double-edged.

lilladysis@gmail.com (~Tina~)

Tina,
You wrote something that would not allow me to copy and paste, but I
have to say that I agree that this newsgroup is not the place to try and
place a child for adoption. THAT was my whole problem with this in the
first place!!!!!

That's just it Lori, If your opinion is different then you will be
ganged up on and called names. The reality is that sometimes adoption
is the best option. Like it or not, rant and rave all you want about
how evil adoption is and how it ruins lives, but the bottomline is
adoption is here to stay and always will be. Even though every child
deserves to be loved and cared for and have a family, some aren't and
adoption is the solution whether you like it or not. Maybe you made a
mistake but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it now. Pull
all the **** fits you want, adoption is here to stay!


<lburns70@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
"Carolina Girl" <Donna749@webtv.net> wrote in messagenews:28826-42FFB47D-437@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net...lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori Burns)First I wonder how this conversation has been taken totally off course. - It's a newsgroup! **** happens!Speaking from experience I'm sure.To me it sounds like everyone is negative to the idea of this childbeing put up for adoption. For whatever reasons this person has forputting this child up for adoption is not for us to judge. - Oh, Lord! Call the Ng Police!Whats the matter, cant handle the truth?There are reasons unknown to us and honestly it isnt our business. Mysuggestion to this person is to contact their local social or childrensservice agency and from there that agency can help. - Who's "US"? Got a frog in your pocket?Everyone reading this posting. I was just wondering if you have ever been insomeone elses shoes, or do you just assume everyone should think like you?

Family's About LOVE <DNAmeansZiltch@getreal.com> wrote:
That's just it Lori, If your opinion is different then you will be ganged up on and called names. The reality is that sometimes adoption is the best option. Like it or not, rant and rave all you want about how evil adoption is and how it ruins lives, but the bottomline is adoption is here to stay and always will be. Even though every child deserves to be loved and cared for and have a family, some aren't and adoption is the solution whether you like it or not. Maybe you made a mistake but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it now. Pull all the **** fits you want, adoption is here to stay!

Ummm...bear in mind will you, that this is being read in just about every
English speaking country and elsewhere. Many of us don't have the often
disgustingly lax adoption laws that operate in parts of the USA, where big sums
of money seem to be involved in getting an adoption completed, I've seen
$40,000 quoted here recently. Had the original poster been living in the UK, he
would now be looking at a large fine and/or up to a year of imprisonment for
for illegally advertising a child for adoption. Only government authorised
adoption agencies are allowed to do that here and most of them don't put
children through that indignity.


Adoption can be a good thing but not the way some people do it. It is more or
less enshrined in adoption law here that no one has a *right* to adopt a child,
every child has a *right* a to family, but that doesn't necessarily mean
adoption, more open arrangements such as legally protected "Special
Guardianships" are becoming more popular. Old fashioned closed adoption as
still widely practiced in the US and Canada, is barbaric, it's difficult to
argue otherwise. Nothing to do with anyone pulling **** fits, I spend a lot of
my time dealing with the aftermath of our past closed system. In some countries
we learn from experience in others the crackle of a few crisp greenbacks seem
to makes sure that nothing much ever changes. I know there is lot of supposedly
open adoption in US, but ALL adoption should be open unless the birth family
present a real and tangible risk to the child. Everyone who has ever been
adopted should have a right to their original birth certificate and access to /
copies of their adoption files, any legal system that does not allow that is
simply barbaric and not a part of the civilised modern world.


Anyone who supports a system of adoption where money still decides who can
adopt and where records still remain closed, deserves to be called names and
ganged up on. Anyone who would include DNAmeansZiltch @ getreal.com in their
signature deserves to be called a moronic idiot, more a truthful observation
than name calling.


Robin

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:49:46 +0100, Robin
<in.the.coffee.kiosk@the.end.of.the.universe> wrote:
Family's About LOVE <DNAmeansZiltch@getreal.com> wrote: That's just it Lori, If your opinion is different then you will be ganged up on and called names. The reality is that sometimes adoption is the best option. Like it or not, rant and rave all you want about how evil adoption is and how it ruins lives, but the bottomline is adoption is here to stay and always will be. Even though every child deserves to be loved and cared for and have a family, some aren't and adoption is the solution whether you like it or not. Maybe you made a mistake but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it now. Pull all the **** fits you want, adoption is here to stay!Ummm...bear in mind will you, that this is being read in just about everyEnglish speaking country and elsewhere. Many of us don't have the oftendisgustingly lax adoption laws that operate in parts of the USA, where big sumsof money seem to be involved in getting an adoption completed, I've seen$40,000 quoted here recently. Had the original poster been living in the UK, hewould now be looking at a large fine and/or up to a year of imprisonment forfor illegally advertising a child for adoption. Only government authorisedadoption agencies are allowed to do that here and most of them don't putchildren through that indignity.

He would have copped the same treatment here in Australia too. A
pregnant woman was charged here a while back with advertising that her
baby would be available for adoption.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/07/24/1027497353587.html?oneclick=true

Julia
Adoption can be a good thing but not the way some people do it. It is more orless enshrined in adoption law here that no one has a *right* to adopt a child,every child has a *right* a to family, but that doesn't necessarily meanadoption, more open arrangements such as legally protected "SpecialGuardianships" are becoming more popular. Old fashioned closed adoption asstill widely practiced in the US and Canada, is barbaric, it's difficult toargue otherwise. Nothing to do with anyone pulling **** fits, I spend a lot ofmy time dealing with the aftermath of our past closed system. In some countrieswe learn from experience in others the crackle of a few crisp greenbacks seemto makes sure that nothing much ever changes. I know there is lot of supposedlyopen adoption in US, but ALL adoption should be open unless the birth familypresent a real and tangible risk to the child. Everyone who has ever beenadopted should have a right to their original birth certificate and access to /copies of their adoption files, any legal system that does not allow that issimply barbaric and not a part of the civilised modern world.Anyone who supports a system of adoption where money still decides who canadopt and where records still remain closed, deserves to be called names andganged up on. Anyone who would include DNAmeansZiltch @ getreal.com in theirsignature deserves to be called a moronic idiot, more a truthful observationthan name calling.Robin

I wasnt ranting and raving about adoption. I thought it unfair that the
person putting the child up for adoption was being treated unfair.
"Family's About LOVE" <DNAmeansZiltch@getreal.com> wrote in message
news:1124082663.74d44a8e666faeec71d10c45eceedcfc@t eranews... That's just it Lori, If your opinion is different then you will be ganged up on and called names. The reality is that sometimes adoption is the best option. Like it or not, rant and rave all you want about how evil adoption is and how it ruins lives, but the bottomline is adoption is here to stay and always will be. Even though every child deserves to be loved and cared for and have a family, some aren't and adoption is the solution whether you like it or not. Maybe you made a mistake but there isn't a darn thing you can do about it now. Pull all the **** fits you want, adoption is here to stay! <lburns70@cinci.rr.com> wrote:"Carolina Girl" <Donna749@webtv.net> wrote in messagenews:28826-42FFB47D-437@storefull-3331.bay.webtv.net...lburns70@cinci.rr.com (Lori Burns)First I wonder how this conversation has been taken totally off course. - It's a newsgroup! **** happens!Speaking from experience I'm sure.To me it sounds like everyone is negative to the idea of this childbeing put up for adoption. For whatever reasons this person has forputting this child up for adoption is not for us to judge. - Oh, Lord! Call the Ng Police!Whats the matter, cant handle the truth?There are reasons unknown to us and honestly it isnt our business. Mysuggestion to this person is to contact their local social or childrensservice agency and from there that agency can help. - Who's "US"? Got a frog in your pocket?Everyone reading this posting. I was just wondering if you have ever beeninsomeone elses shoes, or do you just assume everyone should think like you?

Robin,
The only thing we had to pay was $10.00 during our adoption, that was
for the agency/DSS to get copies of our medical files. We paid nothing
for the adoption itself.

DNAmeansZiltch@getreal.com (Family's*About*LOVE)
That's just it Lori, If your opinion is different then you will be
ganged up on and called names. The reality is that sometimes adoption is
the best option. Like it or not, rant and rave all you want about how
evil adoption is and how it ruins lives, but the bottomline is adoption
is here to stay and always will be. Even though every child deserves to
be loved and cared for and have a family, some aren't and adoption is
the solution whether you like it or not. Maybe you made a mistake but
there isn't a darn thing you can do about it now. Pull all the **** fits
you want, adoption is here to stay!


Of course adoption is here to stay. No one has ever said that ALL
adoptions are bad. Personally, I haven't been witness to very many GOOD
ones, though.

No one is 'ganging up' on anyone. YOU are the only one trying to start
**** up again. Screw off!

Donna

in.the.coffee.kiosk@the.end.of.the.universe (Robin)
Anyone who supports a system of adoption where money still decides who
can adopt and where records still remain closed, deserves to be called
names and ganged up on. Anyone who would include DNAmeansZiltch @
getreal.com in their signature deserves to be called a moronic idiot,
more a truthful observation than name calling.
Robin


Well, AMEN, Robin!!! You said that VERY well!!

Donna

Mini Me wrote:
Robin,
The only thing we had to pay was $10.00 during our adoption, that was for the agency/DSS to get copies of our medical files. We paid nothing for the adoption itself.

That's good. One person here claims that it would cost her $40,000 perhaps you
can tell her how she could adopt for $10. Those fantastic people who adopt an
older kid from care don't usually end up having to pay very much. But I get the
impression our friend here wants a newborn one so that she can play let's
pretend I'm the tummy mummy.

Robin

Robin,
My daughter was only 2 months old when she came home with us. In the
Good Ole US of A.

Mini Me wrote:
Robin,
My daughter was only 2 months old when she came home with us. In the Good Ole US of A.

Again, good for you, you'd better tell Mrs $40,000 woman how she can acquire
herself a healthy white infant for just $10.

Robin

I suggest visiting http://www.adoption.com to get information about how to work with a private agency or attorney or DCF to assist the person seeking to put the child up for adoption.

Hello my name is mandy i am responding to your add. I am also a birth mother. I believe you have a litigitamate reason for seeking adoption of your 2 year old. My husband and i understand your need and have been there as well.We are interested in adopting your child. We would like to know more about this. please e-mail me at luvmaymom@yahoo.com i will be glad to answer any questions you may have of a personal nature. We are open to cooperative adoption and believe no child should not have a link with his or her parents. my name is mandy and my husbands name is patrick please get back to us we look forward to hearing from you.

Hello my name is mandy i am responding to your add. I am also a birth mother. I believe you have a litigitamate reason for seeking adoption of your 2 year old. My husband and i understand your need and have been there as well.We are interested in adopting your child. We would like to know more about this. please e-mail me at luvmaymom@yahoo.com i will be glad to answer any questions you may have of a personal nature. We are open to cooperative adoption and believe no child should not have a link with his or her parents. my name is mandy and my husbands name is patrick please get back to us we look forward to hearing from you.
we also have a 9 month old little boy who needs a sibling to play toys with.