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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 11:54 AM
Greetings one and all. I am vacationing in the States and I have been
staying with good freinds in both Virginia & Maryland. I was hoping
to go to Canada at the end of November when my 194 is up & re-enter
in a couple of days with intention of spending another 3 months
before going into Mexico overland. I get the impression that this
will not be acceptable to the border officials ? How long has to
pass before you can re-enter on a VWP-194 & do you have to have an
onward ticket like say a flight out. Any info would be greatly
appreciated as I may be wasting time & money going to Canada if there
is no chance. Thanks G


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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 01:20 PM
Just in case its useful to my earlier post, I am a British citizen of
"Everton" origin !


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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 01:36 PM
You came on a visa waiver issued to you on the understanding you had a
round trip ticket... at no later than 90 days back to Everton for you ..


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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 01:48 PM
Cheers Ray,

I didnt realise it was that strict and I decided not to use my return
flight which was last week. So theoretically, you have to leave on the
return flight that you initailly where booked on ?? Thanks
G


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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by GRARY
Cheers Ray,
I didnt realise it was that strict and I decided not to use my return flight which was last week. So theoretically, you have to leave on the return flight that you initailly where booked on ?? Thanks G



OOH I hope you have not overstayed your 90 days


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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 02:10 PM
Certainly not Ray. I just decided to change my plans as its such a huge
& varied country and I am really enjoying the travelling that I was
thinking of just cruising for a while.


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JohnCindy
10-06-2003, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by GRARY
Certainly not Ray. I just decided to change my plans as its such a huge & varied country and I am really enjoying the travelling that I was thinking of just cruising for a while.





Here's the URL for Visa waiver details. go home ..do your washing and
ironing then return...but not too quick or they get suspicious of intent



http://travel.state.gov/vwp.html and



]http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/shared/lawenfor/bmgmt/inspect/-
vwpp.htm[/url]


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Joachim Feise
10-06-2003, 02:25 PM
GRARY wrote:
Greetings one and all. I am vacationing in the States and I have been staying with good freinds in both Virginia & Maryland. I was hoping to go to Canada at the end of November when my 194 is up & re-enter in a couple of days with intention of spending another 3 months before going into Mexico overland. I get the impression that this will not be acceptable to the border officials ?

Yes.
This so-called flag-poling doesn't work.
You have to leave to a country not adjacent to the US to be able to
get a new visa waiver ("contiguous territory or an adjacent island" in
legalese.)
You also have to have a roundtrip ticket that does not end up in an
adjacent country to be admitted in the first place.

-Joe

Archmedes
10-06-2003, 10:53 PM
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:25:19 -0700, Joachim Feise wrote:
GRARY wrote: Greetings one and all. I am vacationing in the States and I have been staying with good freinds in both Virginia & Maryland. I was hoping to go to Canada at the end of November when my 194 is up & re-enter in a couple of days with intention of spending another 3 months before going into Mexico overland. I get the impression that this will not be acceptable to the border officials ? Yes. This so-called flag-poling doesn't work. You have to leave to a country not adjacent to the US to be able to get a new visa waiver ("contiguous territory or an adjacent island" in legalese.)

You are right that the original poster shouldn't try what he is proposing
here, but for a different reason.

You can actually enter the USA from Canada with the visa waiver, as long
as you do so by land or by ferry (you can't fly from Canada into the US
with the visa waiver).

The "contiguous territory" clause (adjacent islands only applies to F-1
students) is a right, not a restriction: the right to keep your I-94.

However, you will usually be denied admission if you use the visa waiver
twice in quick succession - regardless of which country you go to. My rule
of thumb is to use the 90 days only once in a 12 month period to be safe.
You also have to have a roundtrip ticket that does not end up in an adjacent country to be admitted in the first place.

Unless you cross on a land border.

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