wis laws & minors dating [Archive]

inluv16

12-21-2005, 07:59 AM

i don't know how this could help but u should know .Sexual Consent Age Laws (USA)

This laws are for sexual consent in the United States only. As with any laws, these are subject to change. If you see two ages in one cell, that is because the age of consent is different for females and for males. Yes, that is stupid, but I didn't make these laws.

Although many young people are mature enough to know how to deal with the consequences of sex, some teens are not grown up enough to know that their actions have consequences. Age of consent laws are there to stop young people from being exploited by adults.

That is why you need to register to VOTE at age 18 and make your opinions heard! End of lecture.

USA by State:
Female/Male Male/Male Female/Female
Alabama
16 illegal illegal
Alaska 16 16 16
Arizona 18 illegal illegal
Arkansas 16 illegal illegal
California 18 18 18
Colorado 17 17 17
Connecticut 16 no current law no current law
District of C. 16 no current law no current law
Delaware 16 (f)18 (m) no current law no current law
Florida 18 illegal illegal
Georgia 16 16 16
Hawaii 14 no current law no current law
Idaho 16 (f) 18 (m) illegal illegal
Illinois 17 17 17
Indiana 16 16 16
Iowa 14(f) 18(m) no current law no current law
Kansas 16 illegal illegal
Kentucky 16 no current law no current law
Louisiana 17 illegal (under appeal) illegal (under appeal)
Maine 16 16 16
Maryland 16 no current law no current law
Massachusetts 16 (f) 18 (m) illegal illegal
Michigan 16 illegal illegal
Minnesota 16 illegal illegal
Mississippi 16 illegal illegal
Missouri 17 illegal illegal
Montana 16 (f) 18 (m) 18 18
Nebraska 17 no current law no current law
Nevada 16 18 18
New Hampshire 16 18 18
New Jersey 16 16 16
New Mexico 17 16 16
New York 17 17 17
North Carolina 16 illegal illegal
North Dakota 18 18 18
Ohio 16 no current law no current law
Oklahoma 16 illegal illegal
Oregon 18 18 18
Pennsylvania 16 16 16
Rhode Island 16 no current law no current law
South Carolina 14 (f) 16 (m) illegal illegal
South Dakota 16 no current law no current law
Tennessee 18 no current law no current law
Texas 17 illegal illegal
Utah 16 - f 18 (m) illegal illegal
Vermont 16 no current law no current law
Virginia 18 illegal illegal
Washington 16 16 16
West Virginia 16 no current law no current law
Wisconsin 18 18 18
Wyoming 16 (f) 18 (m) no current law no current law

US Military 16 don't ask, don't tell don't ask, don't tell
USA Citizen Outside the USA 18 no current law no current law

inluv16

12-21-2005, 08:03 AM

if you don't get it..
it has the gender then it will have the ages for example

/////////// female/male ////// male/male /////// female/female
alabama///////// 16 ///// //////// illegal ///////////// illegal

michelle05

12-27-2005, 07:44 AM

I have a daughter who was dumped by her boyfriend because he thought it was illegal. My daughter is 14 and the other guy iis 17 and turns 18 in April. Is it okay to just let them be boyfriend and girlfriend, with no sex? What are the age limits in Kansas. :confused:

Totschek

02-13-2006, 05:20 PM

If a minor is of the age 16 and her boyfriend is only a 1 year and a few months older than her- when he turns 18 could there be any discrepancies or legal problems in the state of New Mexico? Or would it not matter?

ceara

02-14-2006, 12:26 AM

A minor can "date" anyone they chose AS LONG AS the parents approve. My question is what kind of parent allows a 13 or 14 year old to date AT ALL.

Totschek

02-14-2006, 03:08 PM

I know if I had a daughter and she was 13 or 14, I would not let them date. And I would definately not let her date a 17 year old. I told my little sister she's not allowed to date until she's 20 though. hehehe. :D

Tiny_rel

02-23-2006, 10:53 AM

Hi
I have 2 teenagers, and wondered what the laws were for teens dating, the ages anyhow. My 15 yr old told me that once he turns 16, he cannot date anyone under the age of 16, is this true? Merely curious on that one, and if it is true, what would happen, and what if sex is involved?
My main concern is my 13 yr old dating a 16 yr old.
Thanks for any replies.
~M

Well, I know that law in regards very well. Your 16 year-old when he turns 16, can date any age that he chooses. Theres nothing illigal with that. He is also, legaly able to kiss and concent to sexual activities with out having sex. Truthfully a 40 year old could date a 10 year old, but the most they could do is hold hands. (Nasty example I know, but do you get it?) The only thing that would stop them from something is an age limit, on what they can or cant do legaly. Your 13 year old can date the 16 year old, but LEGALY they cant kiss. But think about that one for like two seconds, in reality, how old were you when you had your first kiss? Exactly. Sorry, hope that helps alittle.

pty

02-23-2006, 11:06 AM

Well, I know that law in regards very well. Your 16 year-old when he turns 16, can date any age that he chooses. Theres nothing illigal with that. He is also, legaly able to kiss and concent to sexual activities with out having sex.

There are states where 16 is below the age of sexual consent, therefore in those states, a 16-year-old cannot consent to sexual activity of any type, including but not limited to intercourse.

Tiny_rel

02-23-2006, 11:13 AM

There are states where 16 is below the age of sexual consent, therefore in those states, a 16-year-old cannot consent to sexual activity of any type, including but not limited to intercourse.
Well, she said Wisconsin, and those are the laws in wisconsin, I know them very well. Seeing as how I had to know them when my freinds were dating, owing to the fact that I live there. I know places are different, but here, thats how it is. You can concent when you are 16, you just cant have sex untill your 18.

ceara

02-23-2006, 08:41 PM

It doesn't matter what the state in question is. If the child does NOT have parental permission, they are NOT allowed to date ANYONE, regardless of age.

kodagirl

03-11-2006, 09:55 PM

im 15 and my boyfriend is turning 18 in august is it illegal for us to date i would like to know what restrictions we may face

ceara

03-11-2006, 10:57 PM

im 15 and my boyfriend is turning 18 in august is it illegal for us to date i would like to know what restrictions we may face

read the post directly above yours.

Tiny_rel

03-13-2006, 11:58 AM

It doesn't matter what the state in question is. If the child does NOT have parental permission, they are NOT allowed to date ANYONE, regardless of age. WRONG! My friends dad is a police officer, and he agrees with me, so does the school officer, I've known this law sence 6th grade, you wana fight about it, I know my rights with this. Just because you might be a parent who doesnt want to let go, doesnt mean you have to take it out on others. Or maybe your parent was psyco..still, keep it to yourself.

ceara

03-13-2006, 04:51 PM

WRONG! My friends dad is a police officer, and he agrees with me, so does the school officer, I've known this law sence 6th grade, you wana fight about it, I know my rights with this. Just because you might be a parent who doesnt want to let go, doesnt mean you have to take it out on others. Or maybe your parent was psyco..still, keep it to yourself.

Considering that I am an adult that is very aware of what the laws are and you are a CHILD, people can choose to listen to whomever they choose.

blondecollision

03-27-2006, 06:50 PM

My boyfriend turns 18 in August and I will turn 17 shortly after in October. I know it is under our parents consent to keep dating, but i know that there are some laws that go into play. Like he cannot take me out of state because it could be called 'kidnapping'- what other rules can do into play?

stvedv7

04-30-2006, 05:45 AM

JanetE66

04-30-2006, 08:33 AM

what if a minor is dating some 21+ and they're parnets don't know about it?
they found out because their neighboor told my mum the next day
but all that went on was, well all they did was kiss.
is that wrong? does the 21+ go to jail or what? can't something be done?
can the parnet send them to jail for it for or does something else happen? :confused:

WI LAW does not permit anything between a minor and anyone 18 and/or over. Kissing is a sexual contact and subject o sexual assault charges of a child/minor. This is punishable via prison sentences. Tell the adult to stay away or tell the minor that if they really cared they would refrain from ALL contact.

ceara

04-30-2006, 06:28 PM

hey i'm 17, and my girlfriend who i've been dating for nearly 8 months already just recently turned 15. I love her very much, and hher parents keep trying to find ways to get us to break apart. She loves me and we're even planning on someday getting married but now im so affriad. My parents keep telling me when i turn 18 this year, everything is going to change. What does he mean? What are my restrictions?

What will change once you turn 18 is that you will be a legal ADULT. Even though you shound not be seeing this girl NOW, because her parents have said NO, once you are 18, her parents can file a complaint with the police and have you arrested. That means, if her parents say NO, it means NO.

stvedv7

05-05-2006, 03:13 PM

so basically.. once im 18, we have to brake up?.. thts it.. ?

ceara

05-06-2006, 11:34 AM

so basically.. once im 18, we have to brake up?.. thts it.. ?

Yes........once you are 18 you have to put the BRAKES on the relationship and BREAK up until she turns 18.

mranonamous

05-12-2006, 06:37 AM

yea my friends 21 and his gf is 16 turning 17 and we all live in indiana i need to know the law or whatever against them. thanks :confused: :confused: :confused:

ceara

05-12-2006, 07:35 AM

yea my friends 21 and his gf is 16 turning 17 and we all live in indiana i need to know the law or whatever against them. thanks :confused: :confused: :confused:

AGAIN, the age of consent will vary by state. All you have to do is go to www.google.com and search for "age of consent law" and the name of your state. BUT, if the minors parents say no to the relationship, it's over, done, kaput, halted, ended, not gonna happen until the parents change their minds or the minor becomes an adult.

mranonamous

05-14-2006, 12:41 PM

well if my friends gf dad allowed it and there mother doesnt then what? :confused:

ceara

05-14-2006, 01:21 PM

well if my friends gf dad allowed it and there mother doesnt then what? :confused:

I'm curious, who does your GF live with? Mom, Dad or both?

Legally speaking, it doesn't really matter because unless a court has decided that mom has no say in decision making for the child, NO MEANS NO, whether it comes from one parent or both.

mranonamous

05-15-2006, 06:07 AM

but it is legal cause thats what the law says right? the only thing the mom can do is restraining order til shes 18 right?

mommyof4

05-15-2006, 06:11 AM

but it is legal cause thats what the law says right? the only thing the mom can do is restraining order til shes 18 right?
If either of her parents say no, it is NOT legal for you to continue to try to have a relationship. You can be considered to be stalking and harassing an underage girl, after you have been repeatedly told to stop. A parent's right to dictate their minor childs actions and relationships will ALWAYS overrule the age of consent laws. No is no. And, yes, they would be able to file for a restraining order. If you break THAT, then you get the fun of facing criminal charges. There is no way to make this any clearer. If EITHER of her parents tells you to stay away from their minor daughter, STAY AWAY. When she is 18, you two can feel free to do whatever you want.

mranonamous

05-15-2006, 06:30 AM

(the guy thing lol) ummm no its not me but it is legal forget about the whole parent thing but it is legal right?

User Name

05-15-2006, 12:21 PM

What if a 15 yr. old female dated a 19 yr. old female???Are there any laws against that?If so, what are they???

mommyof4

05-15-2006, 12:24 PM

What if a 15 yr. old female dated a 19 yr. old female???Are there any laws against that?If so, what are they???
First, if the age of consent is over the age of 16, then it doesn't matter whether it's 2 girls, 2 guys, or 1 of each. Yes, it is illegal. Your sexuality does NOT change the age of consent. Second, in some states, it is illegal to be in a g/g or b/b relationship anyway.

User Name

05-15-2006, 12:27 PM

What if its in Florida?

mommyof4

05-15-2006, 12:42 PM

What if its in Florida?
here you go...

www.locatethelaw.org/Statutes.html

User Name

05-15-2006, 12:44 PM

thank you for giving me that

mommyof4

05-15-2006, 12:48 PM

you're welcome. Hope it helps answer your questions. Remember that even if it is not illegal, if your parents say no, that is the law as far as you are concerned. If they DO give consent, then you can date her.

stvedv7

05-15-2006, 07:09 PM

Yes........once you are 18 you have to put the BRAKES on the relationship and BREAK up until she turns 18.
.no..is that's it?

ceara

05-16-2006, 01:31 AM

.no..is that's it?

Unless the parents allow it, that's it.

mranonamous

05-16-2006, 06:05 AM

mommy of 4 can i get a link like that for indiana plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz pretty plz with sugar on top???????

mommyof4

05-16-2006, 06:31 AM

mommy of 4 can i get a link like that for indiana plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz pretty plz with sugar on top???????
Not quite as direct, but follow this, and it will get you exactly where you need to look. Click on the link, and then click on the following steps that I post here.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes.html

Criminal Code
Indianan Title 35
Article 42 offenses against the person
Chapter 4 - sex crimes

Scroll down to IC 35 -42 -4 -5

Justwondering101

06-03-2006, 02:47 PM

:confused: Please help me with this one...
Hi, I'm a 17 year old from New York, i'll be 18 on the 25 of June. I'm madly in love with a girl, but obiously there is a problem. She's 13, going on 14, i know that in the eyes of society, that's not exactly kosher. But, we really love each other, i'd do anything for her. Are there any laws, or restrictions on us, seeing that we don't have sex? I know that in this state, 17 is the limit for sexual consent, but what about just being together? What do I do here, please help me. Thank you........

ceara

06-03-2006, 08:20 PM

Justwondering101

06-04-2006, 01:02 PM

Thank you for the help. I guess only time will tell.I figure, if we really love each other enough. We can wait the time, and if not.Well then, it just wasn't meant to be. Thank you sooo much.

ceara

06-04-2006, 07:53 PM

Thank you for the help. I guess only time will tell.I figure, if we really love each other enough. We can wait the time, and if not.Well then, it just wasn't meant to be. Thank you sooo much.

The best thing for you to do right now, is respect her parents wishes. If you try to sneak around behind their backs, they WILL find out and then any chance you had to see her or talk to her again before she turns 18 and moves out of her parents' home, is gone.

Right now, I think her age is too big of an issue to overcome, even if your intentions are nothing but pure. My daughter will not be dating ANYONE at 13,14 or even 15 years old. It has nothing to do with the boy asking her out. I just think that is too young for a child to deal with relationship issues.

Once she is 16-17 years old, if you still feel the same way about her, contact her PARENTS and ask for their permission. Even if they say no, you will have proven that you respect them and their decisions, which will go a long way once they decide their daughter is old enough to date.

pattiesunshn

06-05-2006, 08:04 AM

so basically.. once im 18, we have to brake up?.. thts it.. ?
look my son is 18 and he met agiirl now 16. almost ayear they been together. We have been trying like crazy to break them up for legal reasons,her parents are all for the relationship and only because they want her out of their home so my son can take care of her. That family has alot of issues that need to be dealt with .and have pulled my son in. he now lives with the girl and mom and I want him home.Boy,it is not worth it to you go meet people your age and socialize and that girl will be there when she is 18 if she still cares about you but til then meet new people and get on with your life don't be blinded by love, like my son he is being rebelious now and it is hard to get him back because of this girls parents they should help us and side with us but they are not together. I am thinking about going to the police and have them bring him home and have orders placed to no contact with that family .don't get sucked in and ruin your life, my son was a great kid until he met this evil girl.I think they want him there because he works and has cash and want to use him and all but he don't see that. :mad:

mommyof4

06-05-2006, 08:10 AM

look my son is 18 and he met agiirl now 16. almost ayear they been together. We have been trying like crazy to break them up for legal reasons,her parents are all for the relationship and only because they want her out of their home so my son can take care of her. That family has alot of issues that need to be dealt with .and have pulled my son in. he now lives with the girl and mom and I want him home.Boy,it is not worth it to you go meet people your age and socialize and that girl will be there when she is 18 if she still cares about you but til then meet new people and get on with your life don't be blinded by love, like my son he is being rebelious now and it is hard to get him back because of this girls parents they should help us and side with us but they are not together. I am thinking about going to the police and have them bring him home and have orders placed to no contact with that family .don't get sucked in and ruin your life, my son was a great kid until he met this evil girl.I think they want him there because he works and has cash and want to use him and all but he don't see that. :mad:
As your son is 18, nobody will "force him home". He is a legal adult and has the right to decide where and how he wants to live. If you continue to try to force him to do what you want, you run the risk of alienating him. If you truly want to be able to have any influence, you have a better chance if you back off and let him come to his own conclusions about what is right and wrong for himself. Just let him know that you love and support him, and you will be there for him if he ever needs you or wants to come home.

mylilgirl

06-08-2006, 08:37 AM

I am now 19 years old and pregnant by a 16 year old male in missouri. One of my friends recently informed me that it wasn't illegal for me and him to be sexually active in Missouri. Of course at the time I got pregnant I was 18, now I am having questions about the law and if this can result into anything. Since I have turned 19, I haven't had sex with him because I thought it was against the law. I just need to make sure that I know for sure that it is legal for a male of 16 to have sex with an 18 year old female. I have talked to different police and they said their are different laws for teenage males and females. Please help me find an answer.

mommyof4

06-08-2006, 08:55 AM

www.law.cornell.edu/topics/state_statutes.html
criminal code
Missouri
Sexual offense

The age of consent in Missouri is 17 for both male and female. What you have done is committed child molestation in the 2nd degree, which is a class A misdemeanor. It is only an affirmative defense if you truly believed that your boyfriend was in fact 17. Obviously, that is not the case. As he is STILL not 17, you cannot legally have sex with him.

FYI, it doesn't matter if you were 18 or 19 when you had sex and became pregnant. The age of majority (which has nothing to do with the age of consent) is 18. At 18, you are a legal adult.

confused232

06-09-2006, 12:03 PM

You can concent when you are 16, you just cant have sex untill your 18.

Are you kidding me? That's the whole point of consent. That's WHAT you are consenting to - sex!

And in WI the age of sexual consent is 18.

littlepennsylvania

07-19-2006, 09:41 AM

ok. thank god i found this site. i looked at the age consent law chart for each state and still it confuses me. so someone just tell me if this is alright.

for example..the female is 16 about to become 17, and the male is 23.
the girl isnt "dating" this guy because ""its so illegal"" (is what he says).but they are sexually active. keep in mind that the girl's parents are aware of both ages and permits this.(and buys birth controll for daughter). what i want to know is if this is an illegal act or what? alot of people say yes because the girl is not 18, but then i read this and it has me double thinking. i just want the blunt truth.

mommyof4

07-19-2006, 09:57 AM

www.promotetruth.org (http://www.promotetruth.org/)

The age of consent in PA is 16. No, while this 'relationship' is a really bad idea, it is not illegal. There are NO laws pertaining to dating, only to sexual activity. This girl needs to readjust her thinking on this. If the guy thinks it is illegal to date (read he only wants sex, no commitment) but it is not to have sex, why is the girl willing to settle? Being a booty call is so degrading to her, and allows the guy to get free sex without having to give anything in return. And the parents!!!! WHY would the parents want their little girl to be an unpaid hooker? Because, as harsh as that sounds, that is what she is being treated as. You did say you wanted the blunt truth. Well, there you go.

littlepennsylvania

07-19-2006, 10:16 AM

mommyof4

07-19-2006, 10:24 AM

ok. well. thank you. but
this is not that type of thing. he doesnt just pick her up to have sex with her. i know this as a fact. they would be dating but the guy is too afraid of being arrested. i know, it doesnt make much sense. right? if he can have sex with her he should be capable of dating her. i have thought about it too. ok this person is me by the way. we started talking about six months ago, and didnt have sex untill three months later. we are a couple its just not official because of what he thinks. we are absolutely crazy about eachother.we go to dinner, movies,parties, fishing trips,walks and many other things together that dont involve sex at all.im no dummy, i would not be having sex with this man if i didnt feel that he felt the way he does about me. im not saying you dont understand, because obviously you are really educated in this type of thing, but im no unpaid hooker or a booty call. i just wanted to know if it was illegal, and if it isnt, what should i do? i want to be his girlfriend more than anything, what should i say to him? what is your opinion? (dont be too harsh please)

Okay, I figured this was you. What you can do, if the situation is as you say, is show him the statutes on sexual consent and point out that sexual consent age statutes have nothing to do with dating. Even if it was illegal for him to 'date' a minor, what are you doing when you go to the parties, movies, etc??? As long as your parents are okay with your relationship, then there is no problem. Your parents have the final say on any relationship with anybody until you are 18, whether you are able to consent to sex or not.

Now, if he STILL says he doesn't want to officially be bf/gf it is time for you to realize, like all women everywhere must realize, that if he is not willing to commit to you, and that is what you want, then you need to find somebody who is willing to fulfill your wishes for a true relationship. It has nothing to do with legalities, and everything to do with your self respect and self worth. You are worth more than that. (Obviously, if he comes around and DOES want to commit, then problem solved.)

littlepennsylvania

07-19-2006, 10:29 AM

thank you thank you thank you. i am going to tell him about this today damnit! haha im sick of feeling confused. i will get what im looking for. your a really big help you know. hopefully everything works out. if i have anymore questions i will more than likely contact you through here. thanks again.

mommyof4

07-19-2006, 10:31 AM

You're more than welcome. Take care of yourself.

angelgrl7

07-23-2006, 08:12 PM

i need serious help. an 18 year old boy and i (15, 16 in april) are thinking of dating, we haven't started though due to laws. i cannot seem to find anything on laws in utah about it. we are not planning on sex. i just want to know if we can kiss. i am being told we aren't even allowed to be around him since i am not in his family. help plz i need answers!

ceara

07-23-2006, 09:07 PM

angelgrl7

07-23-2006, 10:20 PM

my parents are fine with it. as long as i dont go too far they're ok with it. but they want me to be clear on wat the laws are about it, instead of them just lecturing me on it.

ceara

07-24-2006, 03:10 AM

my parents are fine with it. as long as i dont go too far they're ok with it. but they want me to be clear on wat the laws are about it, instead of them just lecturing me on it.

The actual law for Utah:
76-5-401. Unlawful sexual intercourse.

1. A person commits unlawful sexual intercourse if, under circumstances not amounting to a violation of section 76-5-402 [rape], section 76-5-402.1 [rape of a child], or section 76-5-405 [aggravated sexual assault], that person has sexual intercourse with a person, not that person's spouse, who is under sixteen years of age.
2. Unlawful sexual intercourse is a felony of the third degree except when at the time of intercourse the actor is no more than three years older than the victim, in which case it is a class B misdemeanor. Evidence that the actor was not more than three years older than the victim at the time of the intercourse shall be raised by the defendant.

(as last amended by Chapter 88, Laws of Utah 1983)
This makes it seem like as long as there is no more then a 3 year age difference, 16 is the age of consent.

However, Utah further stipulates that having "sexual intercourse" with ANYONE you are not married to at ANY AGE is illegal.

76-7-104. Fornication.

1. Any unmarried person who shall voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse with another is guilty of fornication.
2. Fornication is a class B misdemeanor.

(as enacted by Chapter 196, Laws of Utah 1973)

angelgrl7

07-24-2006, 10:18 AM

Ok thanks!

captintwinkie06

10-01-2006, 07:27 PM

I am a 14 year old girl and well, i've had this wonderful boyfriend and he's turning 18 in january, when i turn 15. Why does it have to matter if its just dating? Why does it matter so much if there's no intercourse wat so ever???:confused: bcuz we're really happy together. the only thing is is that his dad is always nagging at him bcuz of the age group. my parents are ok with it. they rather that i date someone my age, but they're not going 2 kill him if we date. its the matter of trust. so in the state of WI is it just illegal 2 have intercourse?:confused:

cyjeff

10-01-2006, 08:02 PM

I am confused.

First you ask if it is okay to date as long as there is no intercourse. The answer is yes. You can date whomever your parents believe to be acceptable.

Then you ask about the age of consent - the age at which you can have sex without sending your young man to prison.

I looked it up for you... not only is it a Class C felony for you two to have sex before you are 16, but, if your parents, his parents or your friends know you are having sex and don't stop you, they can be charged with "Failure to Act" and be subject to legal proceedings as well.

Additionally, there are numerous other crimes... child molestation, child enticement, and other less fun crimes.

This is the kicker... sexual contact is considered touching with or without clothing in any way that makes either of you excited. That means kissing and hugging... that means snuggling... heck, that can even mean talking about kissing and hugging.

Basically, if you love him, stay away... or you will send him to jail.

pty

10-01-2006, 08:14 PM

the only thing is is that his dad is always nagging at him bcuz of the age group. my parents are ok with it.

Likely his dad's worried because it’s HIS CHILD that will possibly be facing a nice long prison sentence if the two of you can’t manage to behave. If it was my son, I’d be worried too.

cyjeff

10-01-2006, 08:18 PM

Here are some of the pertinent statutes...

I realize you are over 13, but I am printing the entire law...

948.02 Sexual assault of a child.
(1)First degree sexual assault. Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 13 years is guilty of a Class B felony. The penalty imprisonment not to exceed 40 years.

(2) Second degree sexual assault. Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class BC felony. The penalty is imprisonment not to exceed 20 years or a fine not to exceed $10,000, or both. If a person commits 3 or more violations under this section within a specified period of time involving the same child the offense is upgraded to a Class B felony with the penalty of imprisonment not to exceed 40 years. A jury, in order to find the defendant guilty of three violations, must unanimously agree that at least 3 violations occurred within the time period applicable but need not agree on which acts constitute the requisite number.

(3) FAILURE TO ACT. A person responsible for the welfare of a child who has not attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class F felony if that person has knowledge that another person intends to have, is having or has had sexual intercourse or sexual contact with the child, is physically and emotionally capable of taking action which will prevent the intercourse or contact from taking place or being repeated, fails to take that action and the failure to act exposes the child to an unreasonable risk that intercourse or contact may occur between the child and the other person or facilitates the intercourse or contact that does occur between the child and the other person.

This is PER TIME you have sex UNTIL YOU ARE 18.

But wait, there's more...

948.07 Child Enticement -- Whoever, with intent to commit any of the following acts, causes or attempts to cause any child who has not attained the age of 18 years to go into any vehicle, building, room or secluded place is guilty of a Class BC felony:
(1) Having sexual contact or sexual intercourse with the child
(2) Causing the child to engage in prostitution.
(3) Exposing a sex organ to the child or causing the child to expose a sex organ
(4) Taking a picture or making an audio recording of the child engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
(5) Causing bodily or mental harm to the child.
(6) Giving or selling to the child a controlled substance or controlled substance analog.

948.01 Definitions. In this chapter, the following words and phrases have the designated meanings unless the context of a spe-cific section manifestly requires a different construction:
(1) “Child” means a person who has not attained the age of 18 years, except that for purposes of prosecuting a person who is alleged to have violated a state or federal criminal law, “child” does not include a person who has attained the age of 17 years.
(5) “Sexual contact” means any of the following:
(a) Any of the following types of intentional touching, whether direct or through clothing, if that intentional touching is either for the purpose of sexually degrading or sexually humiliating the complainant or sexually arousing or gratifying the defendant:
1. Intentional touching by the defendant or, upon the defen-dant’s instruction, by another person, by the use of any body part or object, of the complainant’s intimate parts.
2. Intentional touching by the complainant, by the use of any body part or object, of the defendant’s intimate parts or, if done upon the defendant’s instructions, the intimate parts of another person.

(6) “Sexual intercourse” means vulvar penetration as well as cunnilingus, fellatio or anal intercourse between persons or any other intrusion, however slight, of any part of a person’s body or of any object into the genital or anal opening either by the defen-dant or upon the defendant’s instruction. The emission of semen
is not required.
(7) “Sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated:
(a) Sexual intercourse, meaning vulvar penetration as well as cunnilingus, fellatio or anal intercourse between persons or any other intrusion, however slight, of any part of a person’s body or of any object into the genital or anal opening either by a person or upon the person’s instruction. The emission of semen is not
required;
(b) Bestiality;
(c) Masturbation;
(d) Sexual sadism or sexual masochistic abuse including, but not limited to, flagellation, torture or bondage; or
(e) Lewd exhibition of intimate parts.

Long story short... stay away from your boyfriend until you, too, are 18 or he is going away for a long time.

cyjeff

10-21-2006, 06:25 AM

um, okay.

Let's start with a gift from me to you. It is a really big bag of blank spaces. Use them whenever you finish a thought to provide clarity to other people reading your words. Tomorrow, we will discuss that magical animal called the "paragraph".

Oh, and there are several versions of the word "There" - they're, there and their - and all have different uses. Imagine!

Now, as to the post itself. You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, you sound like a pedophile that is mad that he can go to jail for making whoop whoop with little girls.

To answer your questions specifically, yes, you can go to jail for making a baby with a little girl. Hate "the man" if you want, but you will still be in prison making nice with the other cons. The fact that you believe that the laws don't apply to you makes no difference.

You anarchy folks tickle me. You don't get to choose which laws you can and cannot break based upon whether or not you agree with them.

Lastly, when the girl turns 18, if she wants to sleep with you or strip, those are her options. Because then she will be an adult.

In the meantime, leave the children alone. Maybe if you weren't so angry you could date people your own age.

mommyof4

10-21-2006, 07:09 AM

Here's a point that is NOT a legal point, but valid just the same.

A relationship between 2 people should be balanced. That does not mean that it is 50/50 100% of the time. It means that both people should contribute equally to the relationship. A woman does not NEED an man to take care of her. A woman may WANT someone to take care of her from time to time, but she doesn't NEED it.

That's the difference between a woman and a little girl.

Now, stay away from the children.

turbowray

10-22-2006, 12:26 AM

ANd to be ahead of the game as you law freaks who worship the ground the president walks on and follow every rule so the government can take a long dik and put it in ur *** with there senseless law adjustments im actualy the one with someone older but as a spiritualist i see it this way. The government says u have to be 21 years old to work at a strip club yet 18 to work there? does this make any fuking sense? dont defend a government who labels the strippers a career making horny pervs excited becuz they claim taxes off of it. The same government that promotes abortion, ciggarets and alcohol. The same government who punishes violence yet sells the guns and ammunition, The same government that charges you for life. And you tell me i sound like a pedaphiile? u sound like a tight a$$ character coming straight out the seventh heaven tv series with your oh save the children. oh plz bytch the government wants to save children so bad well they got billions starving with out suppling enuff food and more dying with enherited aids becuz they dont supply medical treatments to people with bad health plans. The same government u proclaim in such glory would let ur lil fukin granny die if she couldnt afford the casual 1000 dollar check up. Doctor puts a bandaid on ur knee and sends u a 500 dollar bill. Why? Government laws and policy pluss tax. This same government who restricts all this and u call me an anarchist? An Anarchist is someone who mostly destroys , so go protect and defend a government that sends innocent people to war for bull ****, same government who one day will eventualy turn its back on u and Charge u to do so.

First off your a spiritualist, yet you say the F word so fluently. Second off, just like a band playing in a bar, if you go in, go straight to the stage, and leave, you are breaking no laws. Third off, I nor no one here would ever respect your intake on any issue, since you speak to us with such dissrespect. A ***** is a female dog, and I doubt that a dog can type, maybe I should contact Ripleys believe it or not, and see if the name was appropriate, and there is really such a thing as a typing female dog. Go somewhere else to vent your opinions on the government, we really don't care to hear it here. I sincerely hope the administrators here ban you for such vulgor language, and attacking a poster like that. Oh, and I did not vote for this president, and have issues of my own, but I know, as you obviously do not, that this is not the place for such a conversation.

cyjeff

10-22-2006, 04:27 AM

All you do is shake your tiny little fist at "the man" and figure that you will make us all change because you speak with such eloquence.

Wrong.

You want to break the law and are throwing a tantrum because we won't let you. Sorry.

Maybe you will feel better after your nap.

mommyof4

10-22-2006, 06:51 AM

Ummm, just wondering, since you brought it up...are you aware of WHO is the President and what country you are living in? Judging by your accusations in the post, you're behind about 6.5 years. Bush support abortion???? America is falling down on the job because she is not socialist? I'm sure he would be interested to know that. Why don't you call him?

Now, go away. You have nothing to offer anyone except your "rallying" call to the unwashed masses. Find another forum.

youngirl468

10-29-2006, 12:30 AM

cyjeff

10-29-2006, 04:46 AM

i know im in a bad situation with my boyfriend and the district attorney... the law is if you are 14 or 15 you can date someone 60 months older if your 13 and dating someone (sex included) its illegal no matter what or atleast having sex is. 16 and older it doesn't matter

You are wrong.

Dating is not illegal at any age - with parental consent.

The moment those two people do more than glance longingly across a room full of people, the rules change.

Even if you are over the age of consent, your parents still can dictate whom you see.

If you really don't know and don't know how to look it up, it is best if you say nothing.

turbowray

10-29-2006, 01:35 PM

i know im in a bad situation with my boyfriend and the district attorney... the law is if you are 14 or 15 you can date someone 60 months older if your 13 and dating someone (sex included) its illegal no matter what or atleast having sex is. 16 and older it doesn't matter

What state are you in, how old is your boyfriend, how old are you? What have you done so far? How long have you been dating? Why are you in a bad situation with the bf and the DA? Are charges being made against your boyfriend by the District Attorney, because of what you two have done? Please read these questions, and answer them, before I can help you. Thanks!!

ohscg2006

10-29-2006, 03:56 PM

My boyfriend is 20 and i'm 16. Is this illegal in iowa? My parents know about us dating and everything but he doesn't want to get introuble if it is illegal.

cyjeff

10-29-2006, 04:58 PM

Again... dating is not illegal with parental approval.

Any sort of sexual contact up to and including intercourse is a different matter.

forzado6

10-30-2006, 01:13 PM

so i have a boyfriend who's 21 and lives on a completely different state, and we've talked on the phone for like ever, and we really like eachother and he's never disrespected me, and my mom found out and said she would press charges, but is it really possible? he's a christian and he would never hurt me, he's a nice guy and we've known eachother for like 4 years and yes i'm alot younger than him.

ok 2nd part.
ok, so its normal for two people to talk about kissing and huggin and even sex when they're the same age, but not for an adult to speak to a minor of such? i don't understand, yes we've talked about these things but not in a obscene way, and yes i know this person's address and i know his mom cause i've talked to her and i know his brother and yes he's a Christian as am i, and i don't see whats the big deal in simply talking? we talk about our day, our schools, about church and simply about the world and whats surrounding us, and he's never disrespected me or has hinted any type of sexual feelings towards me...so please make it clear to me as to, what the problem really is.

cyjeff

10-30-2006, 01:36 PM

How much is a lot younger?

And yes, if you guys talked on the phone or via internet about how much you want to be together and what you would do to each other when you were in the same room (even kissing and hugging) your boyfriend violated some pretty interesting laws.

Basically, it is against the law to use the internet to intice a minor into a sexual act. A sexual act is defined by the judge.

Let me make this easy for you. If you are going to spend tomorrow night trick or treating, you have no business dating a guy that old.

Besides, mom said no. The answer is no. Mom wins. Everytime. Stop talking to the grown man.

cyjeff

10-30-2006, 01:37 PM

Wait a darn minute.... have you ever kissed or hugged? Ever? Have you ever actually seen this person?

turbowray

10-30-2006, 07:24 PM

I'll tell you what, if your friend is not willing to give your parents his phone number, and adress and full name, then he has something to hide. You don't really know how christian he is, until you meet him. I would think, that since you two have been talking for 6 years and your parents just found out, that there is a reason that he did not say, hey I would like to meet your parents. So please be honest, so we can give you an honest answer, have you two ever talked about kissing, hugging, sex, anything? What have you talked about for 6 years? Do you know what his address is? If you don't after all this time, he is probably married. Have you ever met? Was he nice to you in person? What did you two do when you met? The answers to these questions will help us determine if he has broken the law, and what your parents can do.

demartian

10-31-2006, 01:01 AM

confused9

11-01-2006, 07:04 AM

I am very confused.
I am about to turn 15, and 2 months after that, my boyfriend is going to turn 18.
I need to know if there is any way possible for him to be prosecuted for just being with me, dating, with no sex.
And if so, is there any way to argue this?

cyjeff

11-01-2006, 07:28 AM

Read the above statutes.

If you guys have contact in any way, not just sex, you are risking him being sent to prison.

let me add some color to this for you... Last night was Halloween. In Georgia, all of the sex offenders were required to report to a local prison so that they could be housed away from the children. They were not jailed.... just detained.

Georgia laws are harsh, and getting worse (better?) all the time. If you really love this boy, leave him alone until you are over the age of consent.

demartian

11-01-2006, 08:05 AM

Georgia laws are harsh, and getting worse (better?) all the time. If you really love this boy, leave him alone until you are over the age of consent.

Really? That is such a good idea. Way to go Georgia!

confused9

11-01-2006, 08:06 AM

I forgot to mention something crucial.
I live in Wisconsin and he lives in Illinois.
I am not entirely sure if that makes any difference at all....
But, I am willing to do absolutely anything to stay with this boy.
Including refraining from any sort of sexual contact.
10 months after he turns 18, I will be 16.
I don't care what we'll have to do until then.
I just want to reassure him that he won't get in trouble for that time.
After reading hundreds of these postings, I have come to the conclusion that it is 100% legal to date at any age, without sexual contact (and yes I know, this includes kissing, touching, hugging, ect.)
Just please tell me, how could someone be found guilty of a crime they didn't commit, of this nature at least??

Even though my parents are currently unaware of our exact relationship, I am positive they would not press charges in any way.
I know they approve of him as a person, and they know he makes me happy.
Just for the dreadful 5/6 of a year where we must stop ourselves from anything sexual, what is the risk for him?????

The last thing I want is to lose him.
But something I want even less is for him to go to jail..
Sorry for such a long post, but I really need to know..

turbowray

11-01-2006, 06:22 PM

I must ask, since you live in 2 different states, where did you meet? Internet? Have you met in person? Have you two became boyfriend and girlfriend long distance. How often do you speak on the phone? Oh, and because of what state you live in, he can't touch you until you are 18!

cyjeff

11-01-2006, 06:46 PM

And the law is on the side of parents.

If they say you can't talk to him, you don't talk to him. Until you are 18!

confused9

11-01-2006, 08:04 PM

Ok, yes, we have met.
I met him through a friend when I lived in Illinois.
I recently moved to Wisconsin, only about 30 minutes from the border, and where he is now is basically on the border.
We used to see each other almost everyday during the summer.
Then I moved.
Although it has mostly always been long distance, it was never really a problem.
We're having a lot of trouble with that right now, but I think we can make it through.
He was never concerned about the age issue until now, so close to his 18th birthday.
We talk basically every night.
The thing is, he's is just afraid of getting in trouble for even being with me.
Please tell me, is there any way possible he can be convicted of a crime for just being with me?????
I don't care about sexual contact. At this point, it is irreveant.
I just want to be with him.
My parents have never said anything about us staying away from each other.
I suspect they knew all along what was going on, just too embarrassed to say anything about it.
It's not exactly a comfortable topic in my family.
But if the situation progressed enough, I would be willing to discuss it.
And I know they would have no problem with a non-sexual relationship between me and him.

So, in a nutshell, if my parents have no problem with it, and the relationship is strictly non-sexual, can he be convicted of a crime, just on the "word" of a nonrelated party? [[he is mostly concerned with his "enemies" saying something untrue to get him in trouble]]

confused9

11-02-2006, 01:11 PM

cyjeff

11-02-2006, 04:41 PM

Usually through the testimony of a witness to the act. This means that either the minor testifies, someone catches them in the act, or proof is presented in the form of a child.

turbowray

11-02-2006, 05:18 PM

Ummm, not to mention proof in a sexually transmitted disease. Be careful hon! He should worry, you are so young, and he is 18. Someone can just say that they saw you two passionately kissing, and he is charged. It is not, I repeat, not, just sex that you two have to worry about. It is physical contact, in any way shape or form. Good luck to you, I really think you two should just talk, and only talk (with your parents permission), until you turn 18, and then you two can discuss any future, at that time.

confused9

11-02-2006, 05:56 PM

So just someone saying that they saw us together is enough to put him away??
No proof is even needed??
As in, he can be charged even if we don't do anything more than hold hands??
I don't understand this...
[[I don't think I have to worry TOO much about an STD, or a child...]]

On a personal level, with only a yes or no answer, from anyone, do you think it is right to legally keep young couples apart just because they are young??

I don't see how being with someone in just a slightly more than friendly (dating, but not engaging in sexual activities) has a law against it.
It honestly does not make sense to judge maturity soley on a number.
Especially emotional maturity.
It's not right...

turbowray

11-02-2006, 06:10 PM

Wow, this seams like a trick question lol! I can only tell you what I know, and how I feel because of what I know. My daughter, at 13, went behind my back, and dated, and eventually became sexually active with a guy, that told her he was 18. He looked it believe me! He was in his 30's. When I found, out, he was arrested, and charged with statutory rape, and spent time in jail, and now is a registered sex offender. So asking my personal opinion, well, I don't have a problem with people close to thier own age group, dating, but when there is such a huge difference in age, I don't see it happening. There are reasons for this law, it wasn't made up overnight. It took several young women of your age, to be hurt, financially, emotionally, and sometimes ending in suicide, because someone of your age, takes a break up harder than someone of his age. You have more to offer someone of your age, and he has more to offer someone of his age. So without rambling on, I do not condone it, nor would I ever say it is ok, my daughter was severely hurt, and when he could not be with her, he took on another young lady, even younger than herself. She caught them kissing at the mall, when we were driving through the parking lot, she turned him into the DA. She also cried alot. She tells me now, that she never thought she could love another man, until she allowed herself to date someone of her age, and she said, it was more fun, not so stressed out, and they had alot more to talk about. She didn't always have to worry about sounding or acting like the child she was! She was able to be herself, not who she thought this man wanted her to be. I agree with the laws on this one! Sorry, do not take it personal!

turbowray

11-02-2006, 06:11 PM

One of the STD's are transmitted by kissing. Do you ever kiss him?

cyjeff

11-02-2006, 06:15 PM

Holding hands, or any other contact or communication that excites you is illegal. Anything said or done, with or without clothing, that excites you sexually in any way is illegal.

Is that simple enough for you?

And yes, I think it is perfectly appropriate to keep young lovers apart.

And I know you asked for yes or no answers but, um... you're not the boss of me.

You honestly don't have any idea what you are doing. You honestly don't have any idea how easy it is to go from a kiss to a grope to sex all in one evening.

Your boyfriend does. Which is why you two are playing russian roulette, but the gun is only pointed at you.

And, if the gun goes off, your chances of getting a college education just went down about 70%. Read that again.

Which means you have a better chance of getting welfare than a diploma. Which means you have a better chance of scrambling for diaper money than up the corporate ladder. You have a better chance of getting a second job than going on a European vacation.

Your life, by all measures that count, sucks.

But, you say, we won't have sex. Yeah. Um, you say that like we have never been teenagers. That our hormones have never carbonated. That we were never in young love.

I popped out of the ground fully grown and completely mean...right? Wrong. I just already have the scars of failed relationships and close calls. Others here were parents at 15, 16, 17... all because they were in love and "not going to do anything sexual".

You can't be trusted with your own emotions... not because you are stupid... but because you don't yet have the experience to control them... and a lack of control here carries a lifelong penalty.

Lastly, we have to draw a line in the sand. If we allow pedophiles to claim love as an effective defense to child molestation, every molester in the country will love his victims... right into a hellish life of sexual torment and personal despair.

Sorry, your romance simply isn't worth it. We will protect you from yourself whether you understand it or not. In 10 years, if you feel the same, change the laws.

confused9

11-02-2006, 06:36 PM

Now I see how this became a law.....
I have one simple statement:
"Hearts can't read binary."

Age is a ridiculous concept.
No matter what the law says, anyone can be raped, taken advantage of, ect.
In some cases, these laws are ABSOLUTELY necessary. That I understand.
But something like this, where there is only a matter of a few months to worry about.....
It's unneeded.

I don't want him to go to jail, of course, but I do think our relationship is worth it.
And I think I'm done asking a bunch of adults who claim they know what it was like to be a teenager.
I apologize for my honesty.
It probably isn't the best thing to get advice from someone I don't know...
I think I know that now...

Regardless, it appears I am helpless in this situation.
The one thing I know is that my love won't die...
10 months may feel like forever, but I'll do it.

cyjeff

11-02-2006, 06:39 PM

Age is only a ridiculous number to the very young.

I agree... wait 10 months. Learn about each other...

confused9

11-02-2006, 06:54 PM

Or to the very old...

I don't think I've ever met anyone over 50 proud to state their age....
it' only how long you've been here...
not how much you've learned.....

I will....

cyjeff

11-02-2006, 06:58 PM

Think of it this way....

would you trust your boyfriend's life to a 16 year old surgeon? His fate to a 15 year old lawyer? Your protection to a police officer that was too young to drive to the scene?

Life builds experience by time served.

You pretend to possess things that you haven't had time to acquire. Just because you get good grades and grown ups like you doesn't make you mature.... it just makes you a good kid.

turbowray

11-02-2006, 07:05 PM

turbowray

11-02-2006, 07:07 PM

WISCONSIN 18

From this site:

http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

And no, this is not just a site about gays, it is a site about sexual consent wether you are gay or not.

confused9

11-04-2006, 04:13 PM

wow...
listening is not the best skill of most adults.
reading too I guess.....

forget I asked.......

cyjeff

11-04-2006, 08:00 PM

Or for most children.

You live in Wisconsin. There, the age of consent is 16 based upon the laws I found... they may have recently changed. I will comment using the laws that I found, but know that I may be using old info. You are now almost 15.

This means you wait a year and change.

Here...

948.02 Sexual assault of a child.
(1)First degree sexual assault. Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 13 years is guilty of a Class B felony. The penalty imprisonment not to exceed 40 years.

(2) Second degree sexual assault. Whoever has sexual contact or sexual intercourse with a person who has not attained the age of 16 years is guilty of a Class BC felony. The penalty is imprisonment not to exceed 20 years or a fine not to exceed $10,000, or both. If a person commits 3 or more violations under this section within a specified period of time involving the same child the offense is upgraded to a Class B felony with the penalty of imprisonment not to exceed 40 years. A jury, in order to find the defendant guilty of three violations, must unanimously agree that at least 3 violations occurred within the time period applicable but need not agree on which acts constitute the requisite number.

948.07 Child Enticement -- Whoever, with intent to commit any of the following acts, causes or attempts to cause any child who has not attained the age of 18 years to go into any vehicle, building, room or secluded place is guilty of a Class BC felony:
(1) Having sexual contact or sexual intercourse with the child
(2) Causing the child to engage in prostitution.
(3) Exposing a sex organ to the child or causing the child to expose a sex organ
(4) Taking a picture or making an audio recording of the child engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
(5) Causing bodily or mental harm to the child.
(6) Giving or selling to the child a controlled substance or controlled substance analog.

And in case you didn't read all the way through... that means that you two can't go somewhere secluded to not have sex until you are 18.

Sexual contact means pretty much anything the judge wants it to mean.

What part of this is not sinking in?

confused9

11-05-2006, 08:50 AM

THAT I DON'T ****ING CARE ABOUT SEXUAL ****ING CONTACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that part is not sinking in for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

turbowray

11-05-2006, 01:17 PM

THAT I DON'T ****ING CARE ABOUT SEXUAL ****ING CONTACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that part is not sinking in for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, fine, I give, if you sit next to him, like you would your own brother or sister, then ok, no laws being broke. If you two decide to do anything more than that, it is between you, him, and the law, and God. I'm done with this thread.

turbowray

11-05-2006, 01:28 PM

This page claims to be updated on November 3, 2006, at the bottom right of the page, but Jeff, if you have any other sites that say different, please let me know, I would hate to give a poster the wrong information.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

turbowray

11-05-2006, 01:32 PM

I realize that my other question has not yet been answered.
But I also realized that I have another thing I'm wondering.

How is it proven, or investigated when someone is accused of sex with a minor??
It can't really be proven or disproven, can it??
That's the major concern in this case about that.

Please, I need fast answers without any opinions.
I just need the straight-up procedure about how these things are done.

If you were refraining from sexual contact, why did you ask if it could be proven or disproven, you said it was a major concern in this case about that (a quote from you). If you have not done anything, then WHY would you worry about it being proved?

cyjeff

11-05-2006, 03:05 PM

THAT I DON'T ****ING CARE ABOUT SEXUAL ****ING CONTACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that part is not sinking in for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you ever kissed him? Held his hand? Hugged him?

Welcome to the world of sexual contact!

Never mind... you are going to do what you want anyway. A typical child that when is told NO, decides that the rules don't apply to her.

Cornearjr

11-06-2006, 12:18 PM

ok im 15 and my girlfriend is 10 and all we do is hold hands is there any law in oregon against that?

demartian

11-06-2006, 12:33 PM

ok im 15 and my girlfriend is 10 and all we do is hold hands is there any law in oregon against that?

Anytime you are speaking of a child younger than 13, there are far too many laws to even get invloved in. Best bet is to just stay away until she is 18. Even when she's 13, when you are 18, this would be considered illegal if anyone ever questioned it.

confused9

11-06-2006, 01:51 PM

turbowray

11-06-2006, 05:31 PM

I was asking because I wanted to know if it even mattered if we did anything or not.
I wasn't planning to.
I was saying in the scenario if someone said that we did, how could we prove that we didn't?

but whatever.
it doesn't even matter.
there's no sympathy for me anywhere.
not even from him.
I don't care anymore.
it hurts to much to put up all this bull.
it's a waste of my time.

OK, confused9, I understand where you are coming from. If you have not done anything, then I guess charges could be pressed, if someones story sounded really good. If they could back it up with facts, like they were here at such and such time, and I walked in on them, it could stick. If you are a virgin, then you have nothing to worry about, because you could see your doctor, and they could prove thier story about sleeping with him dead wrong. I know it is hard to hear all of this, but please, don't ever stop caring, you deserve every chance in life, and I would hate for someone to screw it up, over rumors. I Know this sounds so so hard, but hon, if you could stay away from him, until it would be legal for you to be with him anyhow, then nothing or no one (not even us lol) can ever interfere with you two. You said you would do anything for him, all I am asking is to wait, and not just for him, but for you too!! I really do wish you the best of luck!!

confused9

11-06-2006, 05:48 PM

Thank you for giving me a human answer.
The only thing I'm worried about is him.
I don't want him to lose interest.
It's a really scary thought.....
I know what to do now, but I don't know if he's on board with it.
This is going to be a rough time for me....
I only hope I don't have to do it alone...

turbowray

11-06-2006, 06:11 PM

Please confused, if you have a close girlfriend, that would stand by you, no matter what, don't go through this alone! Keep in mind, even though it may hurt to stay away, if he waits it out with you, you will never have to wonder how much he loves you, because love doesn't fade with time, he would wait forever for you, if it meant in the long run, he would be able to be with you, with no worries. You can pm me anytime confused! You are never alone.

seniorjudge

11-06-2006, 06:25 PM

forzado6

11-07-2006, 09:49 AM

forzado6

11-07-2006, 09:50 AM

Have you ever kissed him? Held his hand? Hugged him?

Welcome to the world of sexual contact!

Never mind... you are going to do what you want anyway. A typical child that when is told NO, decides that the rules don't apply to her.

Okay, holding hands and huggin and of course kissing ISN'T sexual contact!

mommyof4

11-07-2006, 10:01 AM

AAAAAANd , you're wrong. (that's okay...you have plenty of years to learn). Trust me, there are ways to make ANY thing sexual in nature. A kiss, a hug, hand holding are very easily done.

What can you talk about??? Hmmm.....politics, religion, homework, band practice, movies, friends, parents, the weather, astronomy, astrology, evolution, theory of relativity, the beauty of nature, E=MC2, Greek Mythology vs. Roman Mythology, Nascar, football (most importantly to that discussion...why the BCS must go and how great the Texas Longhorns are), basketball, soccer, rugby, your favorite color, food, animal, etc. You get the picture. If you don't have anything to talk about except sex (and all things titilating) then you don't have a relationship worth the time it takes to take your clothes off.

turbowray

11-07-2006, 07:42 PM

Okay, I got my young mutt fixed. NOW can I take him up North?
Ohhhhh, OK. :D

turbowray

11-07-2006, 07:45 PM

Okay, holding hands and huggin and of course kissing ISN'T sexual contact!

Sorry, honey, but there are those who have been charged with sex crimes for just these things. It may not be statutory rape, but it is sex crimes just the same. I know it sounds stupid, or seems stupid, but we are just the messengers, there is nothing you can say to us, or anyone else, that can change the laws perspectives on this issue.

cyjeff

11-08-2006, 04:54 AM

Okay, holding hands and huggin and of course kissing ISN'T sexual contact!

Then you have been kissing and hugging the wrong guy.

forzado6

11-08-2006, 11:49 AM

forzado6

11-08-2006, 11:53 AM

Then you have been kissing and hugging the wrong guy.

how can you possibly say that? and no! we have not kissed or hugged, we haven't gotten the opportunity to experience such beautiful thing yet. all we've done is talk...thats it, and like i said about stuff like our day and school and just make random comments that would make eachother laugh....i'm young, but i'm not stupid.

mommyof4

11-08-2006, 12:52 PM

ok explain to me the problem of two people simply talking, and isn't the topic of kissing, hugging and sex what a couple talks about? not in a obscene way, but to know as to what it would be like...when talking about sex to my boyfriend we don't talk about it in a detailed way or in a obscene way, we talk about in a way thats well, professional not in any other way, and kissing, can we not help but wonder what it would be like, or to be embraced in the warmth of a hug? so then tell me, what can we talk about? he makes me laugh like no other person can, he cheers me up when i'm down he's the only person i feel comfortable talking to about anything, so why can't i talk to him? there's nothin more going on, nothing but talking, thats where it ends. so whats the problem? :mad:

Nope, that's what you said you talk about. The fact is that you are a child and the law says that it is wrong to have any sexually stimulating scenario with a child. Period. There is no convoluted, half-baked argument you can come up with that will change that answer. You said that you don't think kissing, hugging, and hand holding can be sexual contact. WE said, "yes it can". (granted, we said it in different manners, but that is what we said.) THEN you come back and completely destroy your own argument by stating that you and your "boyfriend" have never held hands, hugged, or kissed. Here's a tip. If you want to debate a topic (especially one that the people you are debating with can back up their statement with state statutes) be sure you have your points ready to go. Now, this has wasted enough time. If you have any other questions about sex (or topics that might be related to sex) go ask your mother or your doctor.

cyjeff

11-08-2006, 03:38 PM

I will try.

Dating and friendship, in and of itself, is not illegal in any state.

However....

If your parents do not approve of your friendship, it is over.
If one of you is under the age of consent and the other is an adult -
if you have sex, the adult goes to jail
if you talk about sex via telephone or the internet, the adult goes to jail (this doesn't mean just sex with each other... you can talk about sex in terms of generalities and it is potentially illegal - and before some wise guy mentions it, yes, there are exceptions in the law for teachers and medical folk
if you kiss, hug, grope, spoon, neck, pet or otherwise touch each other in a romantic way, the adult goes to jail

If one of you is under the age of majority and the other is an adult, the charges change from state to state and it depends greatly on what is done between the parties.

And, until you are 18, your parents wishes can be given "teeth" in the form of a restraining or a protective order. This means that the adult must stay away from you or go to jail. All your parents need to have to swear out such an order is a firm belief that your contact with the adult is bad for you.

No evidence is really necessary past a parent's wish.

cyjeff

11-08-2006, 03:39 PM

how can you possibly say that? and no! we have not kissed or hugged, we haven't gotten the opportunity to experience such beautiful thing yet. all we've done is talk...thats it, and like i said about stuff like our day and school and just make random comments that would make eachother laugh....i'm young, but i'm not stupid.

If you are asking me why I think kissing and hugging is sexual, you are younger than you thought.

mommyof4

11-08-2006, 03:42 PM

Now, one would think that when these teens ask these questions of adults that have children, they would be able to figure out that we usually have a pretty good idea what sexual contact is.

If they don't know, then they really need to sit down and have "the talk" with their parents. I'm pretty sure their parents know.

cyjeff

11-08-2006, 06:45 PM

The really funny part is that these kids that have no idea how these actions will make them feel (when done correctly, at least) tell us ad nauseum that they can handle it.

When done by two people with passion and technique, a simple kiss and a hug ... oh heck, I wouldn't be helping much describing it, huh.

Let's just say that it can be just as intimate and life changing as a sexual experience... and you don't have to remake the bed afterward.

turbowray

11-08-2006, 08:47 PM

Yup, if it makes you tingle all over, and makes the hairs stand on end in your neck, it is of a sexual nature, and brings sexual feelings, that is what one type of sexual feeling feels like posters, and you know what I am talking about. Good luck to you all! Please, feel free to ask any other questions, but don't get angry if our answers are not to your pleasure.;)

forzado6

11-09-2006, 09:52 AM

Nope, that's what you said you talk about. The fact is that you are a child and the law says that it is wrong to have any sexually stimulating scenario with a child. Period. There is no convoluted, half-baked argument you can come up with that will change that answer. You said that you don't think kissing, hugging, and hand holding can be sexual contact. WE said, "yes it can". (granted, we said it in different manners, but that is what we said.) THEN you come back and completely destroy your own argument by stating that you and your "boyfriend" have never held hands, hugged, or kissed. Here's a tip. If you want to debate a topic (especially one that the people you are debating with can back up their statement with state statutes) be sure you have your points ready to go. Now, this has wasted enough time. If you have any other questions about sex (or topics that might be related to sex) go ask your mother or your doctor.

okay, yet again it seems i have to stress this, its not all bout "sex" and don't tell me to ask my mother of such because i hear it enough, now, people don't want someone older "exciting" a minor with such things, but then, its okay for a person thats the same age to do this? what is the logic in this?

forzado6

11-09-2006, 09:55 AM

If you are asking me why I think kissing and hugging is sexual, you are younger than you thought.

okay then, you're telling me basically that just by giving someone a hug, and holding their hand is sexual contact.......okay so what, have i sinned? because hugging i've done so many times and no not with my boyfriend because we've never done these things.....but its okay for me to hug some boy thats my age, who is most likely to think sexually about me.

mommyof4

11-09-2006, 10:06 AM

I just posted YOUR post. Congratulations, you have now just shown everybody that you are too young and immature to carry on a conversation with your last post.

Unless you are 10 and "going with" with your classmate, you are either trying to carry on an adult debate on childish, illogical reasoning or you are plain stupid. You got your answers multiple times. Now, as I said, if you have any more questions about what is and what is NOT sexually stimulating contact, go ask your mommy.

cyjeff

11-11-2006, 10:33 PM

okay then, you're telling me basically that just by giving someone a hug, and holding their hand is sexual contact.......okay so what, have i sinned? because hugging i've done so many times and no not with my boyfriend because we've never done these things.....but its okay for me to hug some boy thats my age, who is most likely to think sexually about me.

I don't know about the sinning part... I am not your religious leader.

But as for the rest... you got it in one.

And this hit the "This Is True" archive this week...

Kimberly A. Baker, 22, of Warrensburg, N.Y., went
to court to ask the judge to order the father of her 2-year-old
daughter to help support the girl. She identified the father as a 16-
year-old boy she knows. The judge did some quick math: Baker was 19
when she was impregnated by the 13-year-old, and Baker was arrested on
charges of second-degree rape of a minor. She faces up to 7 years in
prison. (Glenn Falls Post Star)

forzado6

11-12-2006, 02:05 PM

i came here to look for answers, and, you people did the "best" you possibly could, and i didn't appreciate the whole name calling, i don't even know why you would say that, i didn't disrespect you in any way for you to be calling me such, but whatever, sorry for wasting your "precious" time, i think i'll just go on, i highly doubt anything will change.

turbowray

11-12-2006, 07:37 PM

forzado6

11-14-2006, 11:36 AM

You got your answers, didn't like it, told us so, and we responded, if that makes us jerks, then so be it, we are and always will be the "truthful jerks, that didn't answer the way you wanted us to". I can live with that, I can't live with telling a lie. Good luck to you, no matter what you decide to do!

i wasn't refering to you at all, just so you know, just someone else, i didn't realize i added an "s" in jerks i meant to say, jerk.

demartian

11-14-2006, 11:41 AM

i wasn't refering to you at all, just so you know, just someone else, i didn't realize i added an "s" in jerks i meant to say, jerk.

Doesn't matter, for the most part, we all share the same feelings on this one. If you call one of us a jerk, then you are calling all of us jerks.

The law is the law, hugging and kissing and holding hands can indeed be sexual contact and that's just a fact you will have to deal with.

cyjeff

11-14-2006, 01:26 PM

i wasn't refering to you at all, just so you know, just someone else, i didn't realize i added an "s" in jerks i meant to say, jerk.

Ask anyone... I can be a world class jerk... and will say so proudly and often.

And it won't change a single letter of the law.

The fact you don't understand it or think it is right means nothing. You don't understand nuclear fission either and it happens everyday.

Our laws do not have to pass a teenager's litmus test to be valid.

momma06

11-15-2006, 09:52 PM

Ok right now I am 17 years old...but when I was 15 turning 16 in less than half a year I started dating someone who then was 19...my mom had no problem with it when she found out because were friends to begin with then started dating. She had no problem with it, but when stuff happened and she got mad one day she called the cops on me and they came to my boyfriends house...they arrested me and took me home and a lot of stuff went down. Because he was over 18 and I was not 16 (legal age in Kansas for consent) they were going to try and charge him with statutory rape...which to begin with they didn't even know anything, but took me in for questioning and I was dumb and was being taped and I didn't say that we had had sex we had just done some other things...and they still counted that..so anywho they tried to charge him, but finally it all dropped. After they questioned me though, they said that I was not to be in contact what so ever with him...no phone, no cell phone, no email, messenger, even if I was in the store and I had seen him I was not able to talk to him or anything I was supposed to leave. All this was happening for the fact that I was not at legal age of consent which in Kansas is 16. At first I guess they told my mom that I couldn't talk to him or anything until I was 18, but they couldn't do anything about it after all the stuff dropped because they couldn't get him. All I know is that as long as you are of legal age of consent (if you are doing anything sexually) they can't really get anyone on anything. But if you are under that age and I don't know if being 16 could get anyone in trouble I'm pretty sure its just 18 and up...I know right now I'm still with the guy and we stayed together not seeing barely any of each other for 5 months...we now have a 5 month old son together and there hasn't been anything said or done about what went on a while back...

cyjeff

11-16-2006, 05:05 AM

nllopezzapa07

11-19-2006, 08:14 PM

turbowray

11-19-2006, 09:53 PM

My daughter was 15 years old went she had a miscarriage from a 17 years old boy. Can I press charges against him still? He just turned 18 years old recently. They are not dating in person, but they keep the communication through email and telephone. I have block all the numbers he calls from. Can I pro-actively request for a restrain order to keeping away? Where should I file the restrain order if he lives in VA Beach and my daughter lives with us in Fredericksburg VA?

Please go to a child advocacy center in your city, and see what your rights are. You may get a restraining order, since it has been shown, that they have had sex, and there is nothing to stop them from going behind your back, and having sex again. The childrens advocacy center will help you through this. Since he is 18 now, there is alot more on the line with continued contact.

turbowray

11-19-2006, 09:55 PM

nllopezzapa07

11-20-2006, 04:39 PM

I forgot to say, ask the AC if there is any legal way to go to him for counseling costs, which she may need losing a baby.

I do not know if I should call his father and let him know that I will place a restraining order against his son if he continues to communicates with my daughter. In regards the Counceling, she has been through counseling and continues to go. Its my best interest she will be okay after her miscarriage. I have never go throught a miscarriage, but as a mom and woman I can feel the emotional pain.

cyjeff

11-20-2006, 06:34 PM

Call his father.

You need his help in keeping these two apart. Even though his Dad is no longer his legal guardian, I would bet he can bring some emotional guns to bear.

turbowray

11-22-2006, 05:16 AM

I agree, and once again, take the sexual offender to small claims court, with the help of a child advocacy, and sue him for the counseling!

confuzzledness

01-31-2007, 02:57 PM

nllopezzapa07

01-31-2007, 06:28 PM

Back on October 2006 I called the father. I went off and thread him to take his son to the court if he kept on calling my home or if I find that he tries to see my daughter even outside my home. The father understood everything after I told him the reasons and everything stop. The guy found another girl 2 years older than him and that is who is with now. My daughter saw him in the Internet in a picture with the other and it was done deal. My daughter does not want to talk to him or have any type of relationship with him. She gave up and of course I keep my daughter very busy in different community activities and family activities which she is not even thinking about having a relationship. As usual I monitor carefully everything and try to be a good mother with rules that are appropiate for 15 years old teen.

Call his father.

You need his help in keeping these two apart. Even though his Dad is no longer his legal guardian, I would bet he can bring some emotional guns to bear.

demartian

01-31-2007, 06:36 PM

Okay, I've been trying to get information on this for a long time, but it all seems to contradict itself too much. I'm dating a guy who's five years older then me, he's over 18, I'm under 18. If my parents are okay with us dating, it's alright right? And I know it's illegal for us to have sex or anything, but how far are we allowed to go? Is holding hands the limit? And in order for him to get jail time for it, a parent or sumtin would have to complain? I have no idea about any of this and am soooo confused. Links to laws on this in Pennsylvania, and Mississippi, would be extremely helpful.

If you are younger than 16, then anyone can press charges if they don't like the situation and that can include hugging and kissing since it leads to other things.

If you are at least 16 years of age, then it's up to your parents to permit you to see him.

turbowray

01-31-2007, 08:12 PM

If you are younger than 16, then anyone can press charges if they don't like the situation and that can include hugging and kissing since it leads to other things.

If you are at least 16 years of age, then it's up to your parents to permit you to see him.

I also see that the age of sexual consent is 16 for both states. If either of you saw each other before you were 16, then there is a 7 year statute of limitations, if there are grounds for charges. Just a thought to keep in mind. If you two have done nothing, but hold hands, I just could not see charges being made. You mentioned, that both sets of parents are ok with this? If yours is, and you are over 16, you have little to worry about. The parents, are the only ones, that could keep you two apart, until you are 18, with a restraining order. Good luck to you!

turbowray

01-31-2007, 08:13 PM

Okay, I've been trying to get information on this for a long time, but it all seems to contradict itself too much. I'm dating a guy who's five years older then me, he's over 18, I'm under 18. If my parents are okay with us dating, it's alright right? And I know it's illegal for us to have sex or anything, but how far are we allowed to go? Is holding hands the limit? And in order for him to get jail time for it, a parent or sumtin would have to complain? I have no idea about any of this and am soooo confused. Links to laws on this in Pennsylvania, and Mississippi, would be extremely helpful.

How old are you, and how long have you two been seeing each other. Did you meet online, since there are two states involved with this question? Please, I can not give proper advise without the answers to these questions.

turbowray

01-31-2007, 08:15 PM

Back on October 2006 I called the father. I went off and thread him to take his son to the court if he kept on calling my home or if I find that he tries to see my daughter even outside my home. The father understood everything after I told him the reasons and everything stop. The guy found another girl 2 years older than him and that is who is with now. My daughter saw him in the Internet in a picture with the other and it was done deal. My daughter does not want to talk to him or have any type of relationship with him. She gave up and of course I keep my daughter very busy in different community activities and family activities which she is not even thinking about having a relationship. As usual I monitor carefully everything and try to be a good mother with rules that are appropiate for 15 years old teen.

Keep it up mom! Good for you, that you are helping your daughter, and that he is out of the picture!! Good luck to both of you! Is she doing ok, reguarding the miscarriage?

confuzzledness

02-01-2007, 04:34 AM

How old are you, and how long have you two been seeing each other. Did you meet online, since there are two states involved with this question? Please, I can not give proper advise without the answers to these questions.

I'm 14, he's 19 ( I know, it's a big difference) We've only been dating for about a month, but we've been friends for over 3 years. And yes, I met him online. Was wondering, because I was hoping when I'm 16 and can drive, I could drive down to visit him for a bit, but wanted to make sure he couldnt get in trouble for it.

MomofBoys

02-01-2007, 06:20 AM

I'm 14, he's 19 ( I know, it's a big difference) We've only been dating for about a month, but we've been friends for over 3 years. And yes, I met him online. Was wondering, because I was hoping when I'm 16 and can drive, I could drive down to visit him for a bit, but wanted to make sure he couldnt get in trouble for it.

He could get in a LOT of trouble in many ways, shapes and forms!

At your ages, if he does anything other than give you a firm handshake or a high five, he is committing a felony. If your internet romance includes messages regarding anything of a sexual nature (even just kissing or hugging), then he is committing a felony. And since you are in two different states, that makes it a federal offense too! And after he serves his sentence, he will have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.

Is he actually aware that you are 14? And do your parents know about this?

If you met him online and he knows your true age, then he is an internet predator. And no, at 16 you cannot cross state lines to be with a 21 year old. That would be yet another federal offense for him!

Stay away from this man.

confuzzledness

02-01-2007, 03:15 PM

So we can't date at all without him being at risk for getting in some serious trouble then? At least, not until I'm 16 and have parent's permission?

MomofBoys

02-01-2007, 03:21 PM

You can "date" as long as that means you never touch (no kissing, no hugging, and no holding hands even) and you never talk about anything of a sexual nature, including kissing and hugging (not just actual sex).

Dating is not illegal. Sending you e-mails about how much he wants to hold and kiss you is illegal. If your relationship is purely over e-mails, then you cannot be anything other than pen pals. If you see eachother, you can "go out," you just cannot touch.

Even when you are 16, and even if you have your parent's permission, you STILL cannot engage in any of these behaviors. The ONLY way for it to be 100% legal with no chance of him getting into any trouble is if you wait until you are 18.

confuzzledness

02-01-2007, 03:26 PM

Alright, though it's not exactly welcome news, it's helpful. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

MomofBoys

02-01-2007, 03:39 PM

One other thing...

If at ANY time until you are 18 your parents tell you that you are not allowed to talk to or be with/around this person (or anyone else for that matter), then you must do as they say. Until you are 18, you are under the complete control of your parents, and they get to decide who you associate with.

Basically, even if your parents say you can date, they are allowed to change their minds.

turbowray

02-02-2007, 12:25 AM

Alright, though it's not exactly welcome news, it's helpful. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Please know, we are not trying to be negative, it is just a situation, that we will tell you the risks, so you do not find out the hard way, which is why you came here. If there is one email, that talks of doing anything in a sexual way, he has allready broken the law, and if this came to light, even if you did not see him, he could allready be charged with internet predator laws. This is federal charges, so it is very serious. Please, just wait until you are 18, to see this man, then neither one of you will have to worry. Do not talk about sex, or even kissing, in your messages. If the feds got ahold of this, then he would go to jail. Good luck to you, and thank you for taking the time to read our responses, I wish they were more positive, but we only give you the facts, we do not make the laws.:(

reallyconfused2

07-12-2007, 11:01 PM

Baystategirl

07-13-2007, 06:20 AM

turbowray

07-15-2007, 09:27 AM

Okay, so I have tried reading about it online and it basically just ends up confusing me so I figured it was worth a shot asking here. My boyfriend is 21 and I am 16 my parents know about it and are fine with it our families have been friends for awhile now and thats how we met/started dating i'm just worried we could get in trouble some how for dating. We both plan to wait until were married to have sex (he's a virgin as am I) I just don't want to screw up his future in anyway he's in college to become a doctor and I don't want to mess that up by getting him in trouble with the law by dating me. So my question is can he get into any trouble, were not having sex, we have parental consent and the relationship has not gone past anything besides kissing/making out/and an occasional copping a feel.

I also want you to start your own thread, but I don't want to take the chance of you not doing so, and not getting some answers here. This is serious. Your doctor to be boyfriend has allready broken the law! You do not have to have intercourse to have sexual charges brought against you.
1. Copping a feel is against the law
2. Kissing is against the law
3. Making out is against the law

What state do you live in, the age of sexual consent is different in most states, so we can not give totally accurate answers without this knowledge.
Please be advised, that parental consent does not change any laws, in fact all it does is get the parents in trouble for allowing this to take place, and they could face charges also, if not losing custody of you. Once again, I can be more specific, if I know what state you are in. Does your dr. friend live in the same state as you?