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SDER
05-02-2005, 11:10 AM
Hello,

I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to
bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file
(telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do
they really ask for them? If so, for how many years?

Thanks!!!!!

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Rete
05-02-2005, 11:52 AM
Hello, I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file (telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do they really ask for them? If so, for how many years? Thanks!!!!!

Yes, they are pertinent to proving your good moral character. Call the
1-800 IRS number located in the blue pages of your phone book and order
them from the automated system. All five years if you are eligible
based on the five year time period; three if based on marriage to a US
Citizen. Takes about 5 to 10 days to receive them in the mail.

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Helen Rose
05-03-2005, 05:52 AM
Rete <Rete@britishexpats.com> writes:

I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file (telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do they really ask for them? If so, for how many years?
Yes, they are pertinent to proving your good moral character.

I did not bring tax return copies to my citizenship interview, and
neither did any of the other people I know (qualified under five years
of permanent residence). Then again, I also did not bring an attorney,
unlike other people who were interviewed the day I was there.

My interviewer didn't ask to see anything. I volunteered an amended copy
of my list of overseas trips, as I had travelled since I filed N400. No
other paperwork was needed.

I don't see how proof of tax return filing would prove good moral
character.

bionomique
05-03-2005, 07:45 AM
Hello, I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file (telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do they really ask for them? If so, for how many years? Thanks!!!!!

Failure to file tax returns each year as required, or filing under an
incorrect basis can be construed as lack of good moral character as
doing so could demonstrate an intent to defraud the US government.
Some reasons for review of tax returns is done to make certain that the
applicant correctly declared exemptions, deductions and his or her
marital status.

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NC Penguin
05-03-2005, 07:52 AM
Hello, I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file (telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do they really ask for them? If so, for how many years? Thanks!!!!!

What did you submit with the N-400 application? Copies of tax
transcripts or the tax return themselves? For the interview, I would
bring the originals of whatever tax documentation was enclosed with
the N-400.

When the time comes around and I get my interview, I will bring the
originals of the tax transcripts I submitted plus the 2004 tax return.

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NC Penguin
05-03-2005, 07:55 AM
Hello, I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file (telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do they really ask for them? If so, for how many years? Thanks!!!!!

How many years of tax documentation did you send with the N-400
application? It should have been three.

Therefore, surely you'd bring those three years of tax documentation
to the interview plus the 2004 tax return or transcript (if you
possibly can).

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Rete
05-03-2005, 09:09 AM
How many years of tax documentation did you send with the N-400 application? It should have been three if you filed on the basis of marriage to a USC. Therefore, surely you'd bring the appropriate no. of years of tax documentation to the interview plus the 2004 tax return or transcript (if you possibly can).

Three is the magic number if naturalizing based on marriage; five is the
magic number if naturalizing if based on any other type of adjustment.

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Rete
05-03-2005, 09:16 AM
Rete <Rete@britishexpats.com> writes:
I have my citizenship interview soon, and I was wondering if I need to bring tax return copies. I am concerned as I use the tele-file (telephone tax filing) system to file my taxes so I dont have copies. Do they really ask for them? If so, for how many years? Yes, they are pertinent to proving your good moral character. I did not bring tax return copies to my citizenship interview, and neither did any of the other people I know (qualified under five years of permanent residence). Then again, I also did not bring an attorney, unlike other people who were interviewed the day I was there. My interviewer didn't ask to see anything. I volunteered an amended copy of my list of overseas trips, as I had travelled since I filed N400. No other paperwork was needed. I don't see how proof of tax return filing would prove good moral character.

One must prove their good civic and moral character. If one does not
file taxes one is not demonstrating good civic character. The same if
one has numerous traffic tickets. This includes speeding, improper lane
changes, not signaling, failing to stop at a stop sign (not DWI that can
be considered criminal). If one does not show that one can obey the
traffic laws then they are demonstrating their disregard for the law and
they are not considered of good moral character. Sounds harsh doesn't
it. But it isn't really. The premise is if one fails to uphold the
driving laws, then they are are just as likely not to uphold the
criminal laws.

Rete

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SDER
05-03-2005, 06:25 PM
What did you submit with the N-400 application? Copies of tax transcripts or the tax return themselves? For the interview, I would bring the originals of whatever tax documentation was enclosed with the N-400. When the time comes around and I get my interview, I will bring the originals of the tax transcripts I submitted plus the 2004 tax return.

I didn't submit tax return copies or tax documentation with my
application - was I supposed to?

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SDER
05-03-2005, 06:27 PM
How many years of tax documentation did you send with the N-400 application? It should have been three if you filed on the basis of marriage to a USC. Therefore, surely you'd bring the appropriate no. of years of tax documentation to the interview plus the 2004 tax return or transcript (if you possibly can).

OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include tax
documentation with my application?!? I didn't!
By the way, I am filing for five years residency.

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otoro
05-03-2005, 10:41 PM
OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include tax documentation with my application?!? I didn't! By the way, I am filing for five years residency.

i did not submit the tax document with my application nor my friend and
her brother did.

at least, from what i read the instruction, tax document is not on the
check list of submitting it with n400.

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otoro
05-03-2005, 10:41 PM
OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include tax documentation with my application?!? I didn't! By the way, I am filing for five years residency.

i did not submit the tax document with my application nor my friend and
her brother did.

at least, from what i read the instruction, tax document is not on the
check list of submitting it with n400.

however, i will bring the tax documents with me to the interview thou.

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NC Penguin
05-04-2005, 08:09 AM
OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include tax documentation with my application?!? I didn't! By the way, I am filing for five years residency.

I filed on the basis of marriage to a USC. According to the document
checklist, applications on the basis of marriage should include 3 years
of tax returns or transcripts.

See page 52 of this USCIS document-
http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/English.pdf

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L D Jones
05-04-2005, 08:25 AM
otoro wrote:
OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include taxdocumentation with my application?!? I didn't!By the way, I am filing for five years residency. i did not submit the tax document with my application nor my friend and her brother did. at least, from what i read the instruction, tax document is not on the check list of submitting it with n400.

The instructions for the N400 say, in the section "What Do I send with
my application" ... "for information on the documents and other
informatio you must send with the application, see the Document
Checklist in the Guide"

The "guide" is the Guide to Naturalization which can be downloaded from
http://uscis.gov

otoro
05-04-2005, 10:25 AM
otoro wrote:
OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include taxdocumentation with my application?!? I didn't!By the way, I am filing for five years residency. i did not submit the tax document with my application nor my friend and her brother did. at least, from what i read the instruction, tax document is not on the check list of submitting it with n400. The instructions for the N400 say, in the section "What Do I send with my application" ... "for information on the documents and other informatio you must send with the application, see the Document Checklist in the Guide" The "guide" is the Guide to Naturalization which can be downloaded from http://uscis.gov

the tax document seems only apply for the people who apply the
citizneship based on 3 yrs marriage with USC.

I apply based on 5-yrs and i do not see any guidelines about sending tax
docs for 5-yrs.

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Helen Rose
05-05-2005, 07:34 AM
Rete <Rete@britishexpats.com> writes:

I don't see how proof of tax return filing would prove good moral character.
One must prove their good civic and moral character.

That's one of the purposes of the interview. The interviewer is supposed
to assess your status as a potential citizen, which includes your "civic
and moral character". Showing up with tax forms which may or may not be
accurate or truthful is no proof whatsoever.

The same if one has numerous traffic tickets. This includes speeding, improper lane changes, not signaling, failing to stop at a stop sign (not DWI that can be considered criminal). If one does not show that one can obey the traffic laws then they are demonstrating their disregard for the law and they are not considered of good moral character.

This is a specious argument. NOT showing traffic tickets means one of
two things: (1) that the person has no tickets or (2) the person has
tickets, but did not bring them as "proof" that they do not have a good
"civic and moral character".

Sounds harsh doesn't it. But it isn't really. The premise is if one fails to uphold the driving laws, then they are are just as likely not to uphold the criminal laws.

You're equating failure to yield at a stop sign with tax fraud with any
number of more serious crimes (murder, for example). I think you climbed
the ladder of inference and went right off the top.

L D Jones
05-05-2005, 10:05 AM
otoro wrote:
otoro wrote:
>OMG! You said it again! It looks like I was supposed to include tax>documentation with my application?!? I didn't!>By the way, I am filing for five years residency.i did not submit the tax document with my application nor my friendandher brother did.at least, from what i read the instruction, tax document is not onthecheck list of submitting it with n400.The instructions for the N400 say, in the section "What Do I send withmy application" ... "for information on the documents and otherinformatio you must send with the application, see the DocumentChecklist in the Guide"The "guide" is the Guide to Naturalization which can be downloadedfromhttp://uscis.gov the tax document seems only apply for the people who apply the citizneship based on 3 yrs marriage with USC. I apply based on 5-yrs and i do not see any guidelines about sending tax docs for 5-yrs.
No worries then

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