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12-07-2003, 11:02 AM
This referendum will pass in a landslide just as the original 1994 initiative did. Had 187 not been killed by
wretched scumbag Gray Davis the state wouldn't be just about bankrupt. I predict that this one will pass with
a huge majority. Not only are Californians sick of paying for foreign parasites, they want them kicked the
hell out of the state altogether.--------------------------------------
http://www.recordnet.com/daily/news/articles/120703-gn-2.php
Prop. 187 issues revisited
Group takes aim at illegal immigrants
By Will Shuck
Capitol Bureau Chief
Published Sunday, December 7, 2003
SACRAMENTO -- The group that backed Proposition 187 a decade ago thinks
voters are once again primed to target illegal immigrants -- and experts say
they're probably right.
Ron Prince and his organization Save Our State hope to tap into the same
sentiment that forced Democrats last week to overturn a law that would have
allowed undocumented immigrants to obtain California driver's licenses.
"Probably in excess of 70 percent will vote for this measure," he said.
That's the same percentage who oppose the driver's license law, according to
exit polls taken at the time of the Oct. 7 recall election.
Prince's measure would bar undocumented immigrants from receiving welfare or
from holding driver's licenses, and would bar state and local government
from accepting identification cards issued by other countries. But it would
not bar children from attending school, as did the similar Proposition 187,
nor would it restrict emergency medical care.
Voters approved Proposition 187 in 1994, but it was later struck down by the
courts.
The group has until April 29 to collect the signatures of 598,105 registered
voters to put the new proposal on the November ballot.
With the help of Internet petition circulation and increasingly influential
conservative talk radio, the group will likely find the signatures it needs,
said David McCuan, a California State University, Sonoma, professor who
studies ballot initiatives.
"Not only will they get it on the ballot, they will probably do it at a
relatively low cost," McCuan said.
Prince, who has little cash on hand for a campaign, predicts he'll gather
signatures for less than the $300,000 he spent on Proposition 187.
That's about a third of what it costs to qualify a typical initiative with
the help of paid signature gatherers.
He'll get plenty of help from talk radio, predicted Eric Hogue, a morning
drive-time talker on KTKZ-AM in Sacramento. Hogue, one of the first radio
hosts to encourage the recall of Gray Davis, said Prince's issue will play
well among his listeners.
"I think this would have a lot of fuel on talk radio, and it's the perfect
time to run it up the flagpole," Hogue said.
He said his phone lines "light up" at the slightest mention of Senate Bill
60, the freshly repealed license law.
"People do not want people who are illegal to get something that is for
legal citizens," he said. "It's as if a chiropractor has stumbled upon the
nerve that is pinched. They have found it. This is it."
Prince says his latest measure is more moderate than Proposition 187.
"It says no welfare, no driver's licenses, and state and local authorities
will not accept ID issued by other countries," Prince said.
"This is a rather moderate approach to a very serious problem."
The identification issue stems from recent moves to force banks and
government agencies to accept the Matricula Consular, an identification card
issued to Mexican nationals by Mexican consulates in this country.
Latino advocacy groups already reeling from the defeat of the license bill
promise to fight what many refer to derisively as "Son of 187."
"This is going to be a huge galvanizing point for us," said Edward
Headington, a spokesman for the Mexican-American Political Association.
Louis DeSipio, a professor at the University of California, Irvine, and a
research scholar for the Tomas Rivera Policy Institute, said the issue would
probably galvanize both sides.
DeSipio said proponents seem to be reacting to some new realities about
illegal immigration.
Recent studies, he said, found that while such migrations have slowed during
every recession since World War II, the most recent economic downturn had no
effect on the flow of border crossers.
"Not only didn't it decline, but it might have gone up," he said. "So if you
were concerned about undocumented immigration, the evidence is that it's
even more difficult to slow or stop than it was in the past."
And that infuriates a lot of people. Perhaps more now than a few years ago.
"I think it's picking up again," said John Vinson, president of the
Virginia-based American Immigration Control Foundation.
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California Proposition 187 - You Loved It - Most Voted For It
It's Baaaaack!!! http://www.tinyurl.com/xl5d
No Public Services for the Invading Hordes
See: http://www.save187.com
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wretched scumbag Gray Davis the state wouldn't be just about bankrupt. I predict that this one will pass with
a huge majority. Not only are Californians sick of paying for foreign parasites, they want them kicked the
hell out of the state altogether.--------------------------------------
http://www.recordnet.com/daily/news/articles/120703-gn-2.php
Prop. 187 issues revisited
Group takes aim at illegal immigrants
By Will Shuck
Capitol Bureau Chief
Published Sunday, December 7, 2003
SACRAMENTO -- The group that backed Proposition 187 a decade ago thinks
voters are once again primed to target illegal immigrants -- and experts say
they're probably right.
Ron Prince and his organization Save Our State hope to tap into the same
sentiment that forced Democrats last week to overturn a law that would have
allowed undocumented immigrants to obtain California driver's licenses.
"Probably in excess of 70 percent will vote for this measure," he said.
That's the same percentage who oppose the driver's license law, according to
exit polls taken at the time of the Oct. 7 recall election.
Prince's measure would bar undocumented immigrants from receiving welfare or
from holding driver's licenses, and would bar state and local government
from accepting identification cards issued by other countries. But it would
not bar children from attending school, as did the similar Proposition 187,
nor would it restrict emergency medical care.
Voters approved Proposition 187 in 1994, but it was later struck down by the
courts.
The group has until April 29 to collect the signatures of 598,105 registered
voters to put the new proposal on the November ballot.
With the help of Internet petition circulation and increasingly influential
conservative talk radio, the group will likely find the signatures it needs,
said David McCuan, a California State University, Sonoma, professor who
studies ballot initiatives.
"Not only will they get it on the ballot, they will probably do it at a
relatively low cost," McCuan said.
Prince, who has little cash on hand for a campaign, predicts he'll gather
signatures for less than the $300,000 he spent on Proposition 187.
That's about a third of what it costs to qualify a typical initiative with
the help of paid signature gatherers.
He'll get plenty of help from talk radio, predicted Eric Hogue, a morning
drive-time talker on KTKZ-AM in Sacramento. Hogue, one of the first radio
hosts to encourage the recall of Gray Davis, said Prince's issue will play
well among his listeners.
"I think this would have a lot of fuel on talk radio, and it's the perfect
time to run it up the flagpole," Hogue said.
He said his phone lines "light up" at the slightest mention of Senate Bill
60, the freshly repealed license law.
"People do not want people who are illegal to get something that is for
legal citizens," he said. "It's as if a chiropractor has stumbled upon the
nerve that is pinched. They have found it. This is it."
Prince says his latest measure is more moderate than Proposition 187.
"It says no welfare, no driver's licenses, and state and local authorities
will not accept ID issued by other countries," Prince said.
"This is a rather moderate approach to a very serious problem."
The identification issue stems from recent moves to force banks and
government agencies to accept the Matricula Consular, an identification card
issued to Mexican nationals by Mexican consulates in this country.
Latino advocacy groups already reeling from the defeat of the license bill
promise to fight what many refer to derisively as "Son of 187."
"This is going to be a huge galvanizing point for us," said Edward
Headington, a spokesman for the Mexican-American Political Association.
Louis DeSipio, a professor at the University of California, Irvine, and a
research scholar for the Tomas Rivera Policy Institute, said the issue would
probably galvanize both sides.
DeSipio said proponents seem to be reacting to some new realities about
illegal immigration.
Recent studies, he said, found that while such migrations have slowed during
every recession since World War II, the most recent economic downturn had no
effect on the flow of border crossers.
"Not only didn't it decline, but it might have gone up," he said. "So if you
were concerned about undocumented immigration, the evidence is that it's
even more difficult to slow or stop than it was in the past."
And that infuriates a lot of people. Perhaps more now than a few years ago.
"I think it's picking up again," said John Vinson, president of the
Virginia-based American Immigration Control Foundation.
-----------------------
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
California Proposition 187 - You Loved It - Most Voted For It
It's Baaaaack!!! http://www.tinyurl.com/xl5d
No Public Services for the Invading Hordes
See: http://www.save187.com
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