I met a woman about a year ago who was here on a tourist visa from
Argentina. She left the U.S.after five months, just before her visa
expired..

Now, she has returned and informed me that she's eight months
pregnant. And that she wants to have the child.

She knew that I was very adament about having NO kids (please no
judging) She would very much like to bring her young daughter to live
in the U.S. and sees this child as a way of staying in the U.S..

I've been tricked!

Anybody give me any information on what my options may be. Anything
from having her deported before or after she conceives, or any child
support issues.

I've even considered driving her across the border (mexico) just
before she conceives (I know, crazy, but im really pissed off)

thanks (and please no comments on my stupidity of getting pregnant)

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:00:44 GMT, David Franks <mamey_007@hotmail.com>
wrote:Anybody give me any information on what my options may be. Anythingfrom having her deported before or after she conceives, or any childsupport issues.

No matter where she decides to live, you are going to be liable for
child support.
I've even considered driving her across the border (mexico) justbefore she conceives (I know, crazy, but im really pissed off)

You might want to first inform yourself about what the kidnapping
charges are in your state before resorting to that kind of criminal
activity.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:50:47 GMT, Capitalist Pig <root@localhost.>
wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:00:44 GMT, David Franks <mamey_007@hotmail.com>wrote:Anybody give me any information on what my options may be. Anythingfrom having her deported before or after she conceives, or any childsupport issues.No matter where she decides to live, you are going to be liable forchild support.

I have no problem with the child support, is a matter of being
entrapped and not giving her the sattisfaction of haviing the kid born
in U.S..I've even considered driving her across the border (mexico) justbefore she conceives (I know, crazy, but im really pissed off)


You might want to first inform yourself about what the kidnappingcharges are in your state before resorting to that kind of criminalactivity.

Who said anything about kidnapping, she would willingly go on a day
trip.

Doesn't matter if the kid is born in the US or not. He gets automatic
derivitive US citizenship via you. If you won't take responsibility for
the child -- she can go to the nearest US embassy and file the
paperwork. All countries have agreements on child custody and support
issues. She doesn't have to be in the US. She could get a US lawyer
close to you to file the paperwork and take you to court. And the
embassy will help her, since the kid is a USC.



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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:50:25 +0000, supernav
<member@british_expats.com> wrote:
Doesn't matter if the kid is born in the US or not. He gets automaticderivitive US citizenship via you. If you won't take responsibility forthe child -- she can go to the nearest US embassy and file thepaperwork. All countries have agreements on child custody and supportissues. She doesn't have to be in the US. She could get a US lawyerclose to you to file the paperwork and take you to court. And theembassy will help her, since the kid is a USC.

That's fine, the matter is that this woman won't be able to stay in
the U.S. as she intends to do. I have no problem with CS or having
custody of the child.
-= nav =-

You have your terminology mixed up. She has already conceived and she
is telling you that you helped her. You are asking if she can be
deported before giving birth. On what grounds? If her tourist visa is
valid, there is nothing you can do. You don't have to marry her and as
for the issue of parenthood, after the child is born, regardless of
whichever country it is born in, have a DNA test done to ensure that
you are indeed the father. Being the mother of a USC does not give her
any right to remain in the US. The child, if it is yours, will not be
able to sponsor his/her mother for US residency until it reaches
majority age.



Let's face it conception takes two parties. One of which she is saying
you were. If you don't want to get married, then don't. If you don't
want to be a parent, then be a financial one and allow the child to be
adopted by whomever she meets and marries in the future. My belief is
that a child is far better off with one parent that wants it than with
two parents, one of whom resents it for being born.



Rete



Originally posted by David Franks
I met a woman about a year ago who was here on a tourist visa from
Argentina. She left the U.S.after five months, just before her visa
expired..

Now, she has returned and informed me that she's eight months
pregnant. And that she wants to have the child.

She knew that I was very adament about having NO kids (please no
judging) She would very much like to bring her young daughter to live
in the U.S. and sees this child as a way of staying in the U.S..

I've been tricked!

Anybody give me any information on what my options may be. Anything
from having her deported before or after she conceives, or any child
support issues.

I've even considered driving her across the border (mexico) just
before she conceives (I know, crazy, but im really pissed off)


thanks (and please no comments on my stupidity of getting
pregnant)


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Don't you mean before she delivers.........conception has already occurred.

Oh and as to the not wanting any children.....why don't you do the
responsible thing and get snipped...... a male who whinges about pregnancy
when they don't ever wish to have children is pointless when all they needed
to do about NEVER having kids is a simple procedure out patient in a doctors
office. You didn't want to hear it, but it needed to be said.


"David Franks" <mamey_007@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dvl0ov4g40se0d5li2v3fob7gosssp0a97@4ax.com...
Now, she has returned and informed me that she's eight months pregnant. And that she wants to have the child.
Anybody give me any information on what my options may be. Anything from having her deported before or after she conceives, or any child support issues. I've even considered driving her across the border (mexico) just before she conceives (I know, crazy, but im really pissed off) thanks (and please no comments on my stupidity of getting pregnant)

David Franks wrote: That's fine, the matter is that this woman won't be able to stay in the U.S. as she intends to do. I have no problem with CS or having custody of the child.

Having a US citizen child does not give the alien parent any special
immigration rights (at least until the child turns 21.)
She has to leave once her allowed stay is up.

-Joe

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:18:01 -0700, Joachim Feise
<reply@the.newsgroup> wrote:

Having a US citizen child does not give the alien parent any specialimmigration rights (at least until the child turns 21.)She has to leave once her allowed stay is up.-Joe

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read that pretty much these
mothers are allowed to stay under Permanently Residing Under the Color
of Law (PRUCOL) making her eligible for welfare, medical benefits etc.

Does she really have to leave? I talked to her today and her intention
is to return to Argentina before her tourist visa expires.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:06:18 GMT, "Steve and Lisa"
<stevelisaw@nospambritsintheus.com> wrote:
Don't you mean before she delivers.........conception has already occurred.Oh and as to the not wanting any children.....why don't you do theresponsible thing and get snipped...... a male who whinges about pregnancywhen they don't ever wish to have children is pointless when all they neededto do about NEVER having kids is a simple procedure out patient in a doctorsoffice. You didn't want to hear it, but it needed to be said.
thanks for being so morally perfect.

David Franks wrote:
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:18:01 -0700, Joachim Feise <reply@the.newsgroup> wrote:Having a US citizen child does not give the alien parent any specialimmigration rights (at least until the child turns 21.)She has to leave once her allowed stay is up.-Joe Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read that pretty much these mothers are allowed to stay under Permanently Residing Under the Color of Law (PRUCOL) making her eligible for welfare, medical benefits etc.

Nope. PRUCOL most likely doesn't apply here.
You probably read some propaganda from some anti-immigration group.
Here is some info on PRUCOL by the SSA:
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0500501420
"Aliens who are PRUCOL and who may be eligible for SSI include any alien
who is residing in the United States with the knowledge and permission of
the INS and whose departure from the United States the INS does not
contemplate enforcing."
Section 2, Categories of Aliens Who Meet the PRUCOL Definition, defines
that in more detail.
From my lay-person understanding, somebody who overstays a visit does
not stay here "with the knowledge and permission of the INS."
Does she really have to leave?

If not, she'd be illegal and can be deported. If she has custody of the
child, she can take the child with her (as a US citizen, the child
obviously can not be deported.)

-Joe

Officially yes. But unofficially -- do you really think the INS deports
illegal mothers with USC children?



They don't get gc's -- but then again, they never get deported.



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"supernav" wrote:
Doesn't matter if the kid is born in the US or not. He gets automatic derivative US citizenship via you.

Note, though, that a child born outside the US, out of wedlock, to
an American father and a non-US mother is =not= automatically a US
citizen at birth =unless= the father's paternity is established
=and= the father agrees (in writing) to support the child until
he/she grows up. [Immigration and Nationality Act 309(a); 8 USC
1409(a).]

Rich Wales richw@richw.org http://www.richw.org/dualcit/
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.